Character Discussion Thread

[Scoliosis Jones]

My analysis: There will be *40* characters

Here's how I see it...

The number has increased each game. Brawl had 35 plus 4 transformations. SSB4 has split off the transformations into ACTUAL characters.

29 have been announced. Pretty much guaranteed to show up are Captain Falcon, Ness, Jigglypuff, Falco, and Mr. Game & Watch. Ganondorf has good odds too.

There will be 6 playable Pokemon. Lucario is Mewtwo's replacement, and the trio of evolved starters needs to be finished off with a grass type. I looked them over, and either Sceptile or Chesnaught are most likely.

I'm making a prediction of Demon Lord Ghirahim showing up. The Skyloft stage has been featured pretty prominently, and he's PERFECT for Smash (moreso than Bayonetta, who is unfortunately too sexy).

29 + 6 veterans + a grass Pokemon + Ghirahim = 37

There will be 4 unlockables. I'm predicting Mr. Game & Watch, Ganondorf, Demon Lord Ghirahim, and...

King K. Rool (Like Mega Man, he's an obvious choice who's been absent too long...)

That makes 38. I suspect that 2 veteran clones will round it out. I'm betting on one being Meta Knight, since Halberd appears to be back. As for the other...take your pick!

Oh, and Palutena? Stage hazard like Ridley. Also, the Mii will be an assist trophy, if it shows up at all.

So:

Eh?

If you seriously think Marth is going to be by himself, then prepare to be surprised. R.O.B of all characters will probably not be cut. There are too many holes in this roster for me to honestly think that would happen.

Not to mention that one half of the roster (roughly) would be Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon. That's a ridiculous percentage.

 

[shrooby]

Lucario is Mewtwo's replacement

Can't argue with that. Mewtwo's done everyone.
Lucario replaced 'im six years ago and it's happening again.

Spoiler

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

Well, on the bright side, Paluatina is basically confirmed at this point.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Oh wow,you are the total opposite of JamesDNaux.

I resent that. Ridley isn't even the (major) reason I was upset, more over Pokemon Trainer being cut, Olimar being ruined, and yet another awful (in my opinion) newcomer.

I'm fine now, I still have hope for King K. Rool and slight hope for Snake, so I still have something to cling to at least.

I'll have to wait until the full roster is revealed before I even think about getting the 3DS version, but I'm still sticking around for it, I might even get excited for the Wii U version again.

Here are more icons for the newly revealed characters:
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I'm not going to bother with a roster at this point, but I did this:

[collapse=Speculation]The top three rows are obviously confirmed characters, the fourth row are characters near guaranteed to get in;
Franklin Badge and Mr. Saturn are confirmed back, and Ness has seniority over Lucas.
Goroh is an assist again, so Captain Falcon is back. Not that anyone doubted him.
I swear if Ganondorf doesn't have a completely new moveset after Sakurai changed Zelda and Sheik so much...
The polar bear from Ice Climber made an appearance.
Halberd for Meta Knight.
We've already had Wario assist trophies for a while now, and now Waluigi is randomly listed as one.
Game & Watch and R.O.B. rep their own series, I'm hoping they both stay.

Fifth row is veterans on more shaky ground;
I'm worried for Jiggs and Mewtwo at this point, I'm just not as optimistic as others.
Now that cuts are happening, Lucas, Falco, Wolf, or Ike are all candidates for the chopping block.
I still have some hope for Snake, but he's honestly the worst off veteran and most likely to go if he hasn't already been included.

Finally we have some newcomers...
Pac-Man is practically guaranteed since we have Namco items.
Pseudo-Palutena fake out is patented Sakurai trolling.
Greninja just makes Chrom all the more likely, let's toss in those 3DS characters.
We have Kremlings, my final hope is lying on their King.
We still haven't got a retro, so Takamaru is still up there.
Shulk is possible, though I'm mostly banking on that one tweet from Sakurai.
Ridley looks like he's dead, but he wasn't shown fully and it's possible for Sakurai to trick us again. I'm not going to keep my hopes up though.[/collapse]

 

[Gunla]

Yo, @ JamesDNaux are those character icons official or custom?

Because they look sick.

On the speculation chart: Mostly agree with it. It's pretty much the likely scenario at this point unless we get yet another Saku-surprise.

 

[Sharkarat]

So:

Eh?

Wario Is practically confirmed (two assists with his logo). It makes no sense for him not to be there.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

I resent that. Ridley isn't even the (major) reason I was upset, more over Pokemon Trainer being cut, Olimar being ruined, and yet another awful (in my opinion) newcomer.

I'm fine now, I still have hope for King K. Rool and slight hope for Snake, so I still have something to cling to at least.

I'll have to wait until the full roster is revealed before I even think about getting the 3DS version, but I'm still sticking around for it, I might even get excited for the Wii U version again.

Here are more icons for the newly revealed characters:
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I'm not going to bother with a roster at this point, but I did this:

[collapse=Speculation]The top three rows are obviously confirmed characters, the fourth row are characters near guaranteed to get in;
Franklin Badge and Mr. Saturn are confirmed back, and Ness has seniority over Lucas.
Goroh is an assist again, so Captain Falcon is back. Not that anyone doubted him.
I swear if Ganondorf doesn't have a completely new moveset after Sakurai changed Zelda and Sheik so much...
The polar bear from Ice Climber made an appearance.
Halberd for Meta Knight.
We've already had Wario assist trophies for a while now, and now Waluigi is randomly listed as one.
Game & Watch and R.O.B. rep their own series, I'm hoping they both stay.

Fifth row is veterans on more shaky ground;
I'm worried for Jiggs and Mewtwo at this point, I'm just not as optimistic as others.
Now that cuts are happening, Lucas, Falco, Wolf, or Ike are all candidates for the chopping block.
I still have some hope for Snake, but he's honestly the worst off veteran and most likely to go if he hasn't already been included.

Finally we have some newcomers...
Pac-Man is practically guaranteed since we have Namco items.
Pseudo-Palutena fake out is patented Sakurai trolling.
Greninja just makes Chrom all the more likely, let's toss in those 3DS characters.
We have Kremlings, my final hope is lying on their King.
We still haven't got a retro, so Takamaru is still up there.
Shulk is possible, though I'm mostly banking on that one tweet from Sakurai.
Ridley looks like he's dead, but he wasn't shown fully and it's possible for Sakurai to trick us again. I'm not going to keep my hopes up though.[/collapse]

I agree with this. I'm starting to have more hope in Pacman and K Rool because of the direct.

 

[The Light Music Club]

I'm just glad that the gameplay looks awesome, because besides Palutena (whom I'm pretty sure we will get) and my main Pikachu, I'm pretty disappointed with the roster especially if no Mewtwo and Jiggs (not just one or the other) and Chrom gets in over a female FE rep.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Yo, @ JamesDNaux are those character icons official or custom?
Because they look sick.

On the speculation chart: Mostly agree with it. It's pretty much the likely scenario at this point unless we get yet another Saku-surprise.

Custom icons, I got a few of them from the SSB Wiki, though I made most of the older ones myself because I had no idea that someone else already made some. I got Charizard and Greninja from the wiki too, but I did Yoshi, Sheik, and Zamus myself. I'd like to get them made into actual emotes listed under the "Smash 4" section (there's a very lonely Rosalina icon there that isn't even the official artwork) but I don't know who to go to with them/I'm not very good with these sort of things.

Yeah, I'm just hoping that Ridley is a fake-out and we get K. Rool and keep Snake, I don't care much for Palutena, Chrom, and Shulk myself, but two of those three may as well be in at this point. As much as I wish Pokemon Trainer would be the only cut, I'm expecting Jiggs and Lucas to go, possibly Falco or Wolf as well.

 

[False Sense]

This is where I come in to bring forward my arguements.

Of course, if it comes down to Mewtwo vs Jigglypuff, Mewtwo has became far more iconic than Jigglypuff, unlike in the past (and Mewtwo being the face of Mega Evolution helps) and as a result, he's in a better position.
The whole Ivy/Squirtle Fiasco shows that things can change. Mewtwo's like Megaman. Superbly requested and superbly unique.
And now that Sonic isn't a problem, we don't have to worry about him replacing anyone now.

Oh yeah, that's who ZSS reminded me of! Cammy!

Oh yeah, you're the one who made that big post in the RTC thread about why Mewtwo was a shoo-in. I always have liked that one...

But do we really think that Sakurai will bother adding Mewtwo in, with or without Jigglypuff? I don't know, seeing Greninja in there makes me think pessimistic thoughts. I just have a hard time seeing Mewtwo in this game now. Is there really any room left for him?

 

[Will]

I resent that. Ridley isn't even the (major) reason I was upset, more over Pokemon Trainer being cut, Olimar being ruined, and yet another awful (in my opinion) newcomer.

Did I SAY it was about that?

 

[Oniric Spriter]

I like how everyone adds now Greninja in their rosters, it feels so fresh.

 

[FlareHabanero]

But do we really think that Sakurai will bother adding Mewtwo in, with or without Jigglypuff? I don't know, seeing Greninja in there makes me think pessimistic thoughts. I just have a hard time seeing Mewtwo in this game now. Is there really any room left for him?

Let me guess, you think Mewtwo cannot get in because humanoid Pokemon are on the roster and that automatically means Mewtwo is forbidden from showing.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Custom icons, I got a few of them from the SSB Wiki, though I made most of the older ones myself because I had no idea that someone else already made some. I got Charizard and Greninja from the wiki too, but I did Yoshi, Sheik, and Zamus myself. I'd like to get them made into actual emotes listed under the "Smash 4" section (there's a very lonely Rosalina icon there that isn't even the official artwork) but I don't know who to go to with them/I'm not very good with these sort of things.

Yeah, I'm just hoping that Ridley is a fake-out and we get K. Rool and keep Snake, I don't care much for Palutena, Chrom, and Shulk myself, but two of those three may as well be in at this point. As much as I wish Pokemon Trainer would be the only cut, I'm expecting Jiggs and Lucas to go, possibly Falco or Wolf as well.

Oh yeah, you're the one who made that big post in the RTC thread about why Mewtwo was a shoo-in. I always have liked that one...

But do we really think that Sakurai will bother adding Mewtwo in, with or without Jigglypuff? I don't know, seeing Greninja in there makes me think pessimistic thoughts. I just have a hard time seeing Mewtwo in this game now. Is there really any room left for him?

The way I see it is that Mewtwo will still be back. I think Sakurai feels bad that he couldn't fit Mewtwo in in Brawl AND the original, since it looks like he was supposed to be in all three games at this point. He owes it to Mewtwo to have him playable. It was supposed to be Mario and Pokemon got 3 Characters back while Zelda only got one in N64. And with that I think Jiggs and Mewtwo comeback and we might still see Bowser Jr. OR Paper Mario.

 

[Will]

Wario Is practically confirmed (two assists with his logo). It makes no sense for him not to be there.

> Nintendog logo on 3DS stage
> Crown (Mii?) logo on 3DS stage
> Balloon Fight logo on 3DS stage

They're all confirmed by that logic

If so,then why wasn't a user of the Electroplankton or DS symbol from brawl confirmed for the game?

 

[Gunla]

Oh yeah, you're the one who made that big post in the RTC thread about why Mewtwo was a shoo-in. I always have liked that one...

But do we really think that Sakurai will bother adding Mewtwo in, with or without Jigglypuff? I don't know, seeing Greninja in there makes me think pessimistic thoughts. I just have a hard time seeing Mewtwo in this game now. Is there really any room left for him?

So people did read that!

Brawl had 6 playable Pokemon; therefore, slots aren't an issue with Pokemon. Having 3 (AFAWK) cuts is a serious contradictory statement coming from the guy who said he didn't want to make cuts, and especially a setback to 4. Mewtwo and Jigglypuff would both count as cuts.

Jigglypuff is at a lower chain that Mewtwo. In the past 6 years, Mewtwo has gotten two megas, was THE first Mega Pokemon, heavily advertised, got a movie starring him (or her?!) while Jigglypuff got an unhelpful Fairy Type.

Another possible scenario is getting a new Grass type to go with Greninja and Charizard. Perhaps Sceptile?

Either way, at the very least, we'll likely see 5. With a new Water type and the repetition of types being an old trend, I doubt Squirtle is in. And if Squirtle isn't in, I doubt Ivy is, either.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

I'm just glad that the gameplay looks awesome, because besides Palutena (whom I'm pretty sure we will get) and my main Pikachu, I'm pretty disappointed with the roster especially if no Mewtwo and Jiggs (not just one or the other) and Chrom gets in over a female FE rep.

You could also think about it like replacing Squirtle and Ivysaur with Greninja and Mewtwo if Pokemon has 6 slots for the game.

 

[The Light Music Club]

> Nintendog logo on 3DS stage
> Crown (Mii?) logo on 3DS stage
> Balloon Fight logo on 3DS stage

They're all confirmed by that logic

If so,then why wasn't a user of the Electroplankton or DS symbol from brawl confirmed for the game?

But you can't have characters from a series without the main character being present. At least I don't think you can.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Did I SAY it was about that?

"Oh wow,you are the total opposite of JamesDNaux." Sounded pretty negative to me, and you think I just gave up on everything. I'm not leaving just yet.

I may not like any of the newcomers yet, but it isn't over till the fat lady sings until we get the final roster.

 

[Sharkarat]

> Nintendog logo on 3DS stage
> Crown (Mii?) logo on 3DS stage
> Balloon Fight logo on 3DS stage

They're all confirmed by that logic

If so,then why wasn't a user of the Electroplankton or DS symbol from brawl confirmed for the game?

Know your not serious, but i'm still gonna answer.
Wario is a veteran, he's not comparable to those.

 

[Warp Star Lover]

Wario Is practically confirmed (two assists with his logo). It makes no sense for him not to be there.

It's possible, but seven Mario characters is pretty heavy. The second veteran clone could be anyone - I filled the space with Wolf...just because.

I'm being conservative because compared to Brawl's focus on characters, SSB4 appears to have a focus on items of all types. This means fewer clone/gimmicky characters.

 

[The Light Music Club]

You could also think about it like replacing Squirtle and Ivysaur with Greninja and Mewtwo if Pokemon has 6 slots for the game.

I love Charizard but I liked the idea of Pokemon Trainer, because the point of Pokemon is being able to master different types of Pokemon. I'm mad Ivysaur is gone. I don't like Greninja, I wanted Feraligatr (Even though I know he had no chance).

It's possible, but seven Mario characters is pretty heavy. The second veteran clone could be anyone - I filled the space with Wolf...just because.

I'm being conservative because compared to Brawl's focus on characters, SSB4 appears to have a focus on items of all types. This means fewer clone/gimmicky characters.

But the roster you posted bloated Mario and Pokemon and took reps away from other series, which doesn't make much sense to me. Plus Rosalina can't get in over Wario. That would be a dumb choice.

Edit: Sorry for double post

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

So people did read that!

Brawl had 6 playable Pokemon; therefore, slots aren't an issue with Pokemon. Having 3 (AFAWK) cuts is a serious contradictory statement coming from the guy who said he didn't want to make cuts, and especially a setback to 4. Mewtwo and Jigglypuff would both count as cuts.

Jigglypuff is at a lower chain that Mewtwo. In the past 6 years, Mewtwo has gotten two megas, was THE first Mega Pokemon, heavily advertised, got a movie starring him (or her?!) while Jigglypuff got an unhelpful Fairy Type.

Another possible scenario is getting a new Grass type to go with Greninja and Charizard. Perhaps Sceptile?

Either way, at the very least, we'll likely see 5. With a new Water type and the repetition of types being an old trend, I doubt Squirtle is in. And if Squirtle isn't in, I doubt Ivy is, either.

The only real reason in my opinion to keep Jiggs is just because it's in the original 12, reasons for putting Mewtwo in outweigh Jiggs's by a lot.

 

[False Sense]

Let me guess, you think Mewtwo cannot get in because humanoid Pokemon are on the roster and that automatically means Mewtwo is forbidden from showing.

What kind of reasoning is that?

So people did read that!

Brawl had 6 playable Pokemon; therefore, slots aren't an issue with Pokemon. Having 3 (AFAWK) cuts is a serious contradictory statement coming from the guy who said he didn't want to make cuts, and especially a setback to 4. Mewtwo and Jigglypuff would both count as cuts.

Jigglypuff is at a lower chain that Mewtwo. In the past 6 years, Mewtwo has gotten two megas, was THE first Mega Pokemon, heavily advertised, got a movie starring him (or her?!) while Jigglypuff got an unhelpful Fairy Type.

Another possible scenario is getting a new Grass type to go with Greninja and Charizard. Perhaps Sceptile?

Either way, at the very least, we'll likely see 5. With a new Water type and the repetition of types being an old trend, I doubt Squirtle is in. And if Squirtle isn't in, I doubt Ivy is, either.

I suppose I just doubt that Sakurai would go through that much more effort to have Mewtwo when we already have Greninja. If they plan on bringing back Mewtwo, wouldn't that have been enough for Pokemon? Why bother adding Greninja as well, especially when roster space seems limited at this point and there are still other big series that could use some characters?

 

[Sharkarat]

It's possible, but seven Mario characters is pretty heavy. The second veteran clone could be anyone - I filled the space with Wolf...just because.

I'm being conservative because compared to Brawl's focus on characters, SSB4 appears to have a focus on items of all types. This means fewer clone/gimmicky characters.

what do you mean with veteran clone?

 

[BlindFox]

I love Charizard but I liked the idea of Pokemon Trainer, because the point of Pokemon is being able to master different types of Pokemon. I'm mad Ivysaur is gone. I don't like Greninja, I wanted Feraligatr (Even though I know he had no chance).

As it seems Sakurai wants to keep things balanced. Characters with mid-battle transformations won't be able to do that anymore, and the Pokemon Trainer kinda have that ability. So we're going to have different Pokémon as separate characters. And I'm Ok with that.

 

[FlareHabanero]

What kind of reasoning is that?

Can't really think of any other asinine reason why Mewtwo can't be on the roster, especially since we know that Squirtle and Ivysaur are going to be absent and there for we'll have the leg room to include Mewtwo easily.

Also, that was obviously a pot shot at the people thinking Lucario means Mewtwo can't get in solely because they sport humanoid figures.

 

[Gunla]

I suppose I just doubt that Sakurai would go through that much more effort to have Mewtwo when we already have Greninja. If they plan on bringing back Mewtwo, wouldn't that have been enough for Pokemon? Why bother adding Greninja as well, especially when roster space seems limited at this point and there are still other big series that could use some characters?

Pokemon has the trend of having at least one newcomer from the latest franchise, no matter the recency.
Greninja was the best Gen VI option for them.
Melee=Pichu
Brawl=Lucario
4=Greninja

Mewtwo is a whole different ballgame as is something different from the Ninja. They don't hurt either one's chances.

 

[The Suit-less Ace]

By the way, is Greninja getting hate just because he shrinks Mewtwo's chances? Or do people just not like him because of other reasons?

 

[The Light Music Club]

Oh I just noticed this but Zelda isn't needed to match Pokemon and Mario. They were supposed to beat Zelda by two reps in the original. And Pokemon only had one game at that point. Don't be surpirsed without a Zelda newcomer.

 

[FlareHabanero]

By the way, is Greninja getting hate just because he shrinks Mewtwo's chances? Or do people just not like him because of other reasons?

People hate nice things.

People hating dragons, people hating ninjas. Don't know why, maybe everyone is a hipster.

 

[BKupa666]

Gotta say, I'm confused by the complaints that Pokemon will now have "more reps than Mario" if Jigglypuff and Mewtwo both return. Somehow, those people were able to mentally reconcile the existence of an even larger Mario-to-Pokemon character gap in Brawl just because the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon weren't visible on the select screen, but now, a visible lesser ratio is more than they can handle?

 

[Deleted member]

> Nintendog logo on 3DS stage
> Crown (Mii?) logo on 3DS stage
> Balloon Fight logo on 3DS stage

They're all confirmed by that logic

If so,then why wasn't a user of the Electroplankton or DS symbol from brawl confirmed for the game?

Are you seriously implying that Wario isn't coming back?

I resent that. Ridley isn't even the (major) reason I was upset, more over Pokemon Trainer being cut, Olimar being ruined, and yet another awful (in my opinion) newcomer.

I'm fine now, I still have hope for King K. Rool and slight hope for Snake, so I still have something to cling to at least.

I'll have to wait until the full roster is revealed before I even think about getting the 3DS version, but I'm still sticking around for it, I might even get excited for the Wii U version again.

Here are more icons for the newly revealed characters:
[collapse=]

[/collapse]
I'm not going to bother with a roster at this point, but I did this:

[collapse=Speculation]The top three rows are obviously confirmed characters, the fourth row are characters near guaranteed to get in;
Franklin Badge and Mr. Saturn are confirmed back, and Ness has seniority over Lucas.
Goroh is an assist again, so Captain Falcon is back. Not that anyone doubted him.
I swear if Ganondorf doesn't have a completely new moveset after Sakurai changed Zelda and Sheik so much...
The polar bear from Ice Climber made an appearance.
Halberd for Meta Knight.
We've already had Wario assist trophies for a while now, and now Waluigi is randomly listed as one.
Game & Watch and R.O.B. rep their own series, I'm hoping they both stay.

Fifth row is veterans on more shaky ground;
I'm worried for Jiggs and Mewtwo at this point, I'm just not as optimistic as others.
Now that cuts are happening, Lucas, Falco, Wolf, or Ike are all candidates for the chopping block.
I still have some hope for Snake, but he's honestly the worst off veteran and most likely to go if he hasn't already been included.

Finally we have some newcomers...
Pac-Man is practically guaranteed since we have Namco items.
Pseudo-Palutena fake out is patented Sakurai trolling.
Greninja just makes Chrom all the more likely, let's toss in those 3DS characters.
We have Kremlings, my final hope is lying on their King.
We still haven't got a retro, so Takamaru is still up there.
Shulk is possible, though I'm mostly banking on that one tweet from Sakurai.
Ridley looks like he's dead, but he wasn't shown fully and it's possible for Sakurai to trick us again. I'm not going to keep my hopes up though.[/collapse]

I don't see how Greninja does ANYTHING for Chrom. Especially considering the politics behind it all are different, and despite what certain devs might push, it's still Sakurai's call in the end. I certainly can't see Ike getting cut over Chrom considering how popular he was preBrawl, how popular he STILL remains to this day (he out ranks Chrom in both Japanese and Western polls as a favored lord and Nintendo character), and how much support he had and still has to this day. Only way Chrom gets in is over Ike, an Ike ain't going nowhere. Sakurai isn't gonna add a character that does little to stand out and be interesting, only reason Greninja got in really was cause Sakurai thought the idea of a ninja frog based off of Jiraiya (not the Naruto character) gave him tons to work with, and inspired him to make a rather awesome character.

If Ike gets cut and we get Chrom, expect a lot of backlash from fans, people love Ike, and almost EVERYONE wants to see him return. Ike still has tons of potential to be awesome.

As for your other "shaky grounds" I say only Snake runs the risk of leaving, but here's to hoping he returns.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Only answer.

Damn I bet @ Rebellious Treecko is gonna enjoy this whole Sceptile show...

I'd love that more than anything, but I'm keeping my expectations low to avoid disappointment.

Who's to say that there's going to be a grass starter to fulfill a fan-made pattern?

Spoiler

;_;

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[False Sense]

By the way, is Greninja getting hate just because he shrinks Mewtwo's chances? Or do people just not like him because of other reasons?

I'll admit, I do have a dislike for him since I think he decreased Mewtwo's chances, and for the fact that I don't think he's that deserving of a spot. He is pretty cool, though. I'd probably be much more accepting of him if I knew of Mewtwo's fate.

 

[Will]

Are you seriously implying that Wario isn't coming back?

No,I'm just making a joke.
You don't know how much I want Wario back in,he was my feces-evaporating fat guy.

 

[bryanoid]

I'd probably be much more accepting of him if I knew of Mewtwo's fate.

Don't drive yourself crazy. If Mewtwo's in, he's probaby a secret character. So we won't know of him until the game is actually released

 

[Will]

"Oh wow,you are the total opposite of JamesDNaux." Sounded pretty negative to me, and you think I just gave up on everything. I'm not leaving just yet.

I may not like any of the newcomers yet, but it isn't over till the fat lady sings until we get the final roster.

If you're planning to begin a flamewar,sir,I reccomend you do it in conversation.

 

[Deleted member]

The only real reason in my opinion to keep Jiggs is just because it's in the original 12, reasons for putting Mewtwo in outweigh Jiggs's by a lot.

You're overreacting, Mewtwo and Jiggs are both very likely to get in. I don't see either one going.

Oh I just noticed this but Zelda isn't needed to match Pokemon and Mario. They were supposed to beat Zelda by two reps in the original. And Pokemon only had one game at that point. Don't be surpirsed without a Zelda newcomer.

I don't understand this mindset. Why do we need need to have 'balanced representation' amidst the roster. I can guarantee you Sakurai isn't picking characters that way. He never has.

Pokemon has the trend of having at least one newcomer from the latest franchise, no matter the recency.
Greninja was the best Gen VI option for them.
Melee=Pichu
Brawl=Lucario
4=Greninja

Mewtwo is a whole different ballgame as is something different from the Ninja. They don't hurt either one's chances.

We got: Monk (Lucario), Ninja (Greninja), Psychic (Mewtwo)

Seems like a dream team of Pokemon choices along the Dragon, Puffball, and Electric mouse.

Why are people complaining? The Pokemon roster is among the most diverse thus far.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Gotta say, I'm confused by the complaints that Pokemon will now have "more reps than Mario" if Jigglypuff and Mewtwo both return. Somehow, those people were able to mentally reconcile the existence of an even larger Mario-to-Pokemon character gap in Brawl just because the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon weren't visible on the select screen, but now, a visible lesser ratio is more than they can handle?

People being stupid? Oh wow, please tell me more, this is such a cataclysmic scientific discovery.