Character Discussion Thread

[The Light Music Club]

I've gotta admit something.
I still think Squirtle and Ivysaur have a possibility.

Think about it.
Since we don't have character transformations, there's no reason to keep them together in one character.
And mind you, it took a while to reveal Zero Suit Samus and Sheik.
Who's to say the same isn't happening here?

Not only do I think that the 3DS couldn't handle the transformations, I think he needed to bloat the roster a bit. So many people were upset that Metriod had one rep and now it has two, and Zelda had to match Mario who has five and Pokemon who will have five, so Shiek and eventually Gannon will give Zelda five characters. I feel like they were kept to give more series representation. Pokemon doesn't need that, but they wanted to keep part of Pokemon Trainer (since he wouldn't work on 3DS) that's why Charizard will stand alone, most likely without Squirtle and Ivy in the cast at all. Hopefully that makes sense.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Is salo (can't remember full name) a big Pokémon fan by any chance? If not, then it gives more credit towards the latter scenario. But if so, then as Gamefreak is very protective with their properties, the former could work as well.

I don't see the first one at as likely at all. If all he had was a picture, and he new it was an X/Y 'mon, couldn't he have gone on Bulbapedia or something and looked up who it was?

 

[Substitution]

Not only do I think that the 3DS couldn't handle the transformations, I think he needed to bloat the roster a bit. So many people were upset that Metriod had one rep and now it has two, and Zelda had to match Mario who has five and Pokemon who will have five, so Shiek and eventually Gannon will give Zelda five characters. I feel like they were kept to give more series representation. Pokemon doesn't need that, but they wanted to keep part of Pokemon Trainer (since he wouldn't work on 3DS) that's why Charizard will stand alone, most likely without Squirtle and Ivy in the cast at all. Hopefully that makes sense.

Wait, you means it wasn't possible to just switch one file to another?
And I'm not sure why that means the two are cut. They can still exist.

 

[Muster]

The fact that he couldn't specify what X/Y Pokemon is weird to me.

Like, did he somehow have access to the list of the other newcomers, but not that one aside from it being a "Pokemon character"? Or did he see it but not recognize exactly who it is, but somehow knew enough to know it was from X/Y?

It's fishy. combined with the fact that he didn't get Rosalina at all I'm VERY skeptical.

Around e3 time, Sakurai said he was having problems with dual characters like Ice climbers on the 3ds version, so at the time of e3 they may not have even known that Rosalina would be able to make it into the game.
It's possible that he could not be listing Greninja because it could alert Nintendo of the leak, especially considering he was released the next day as a surprise newcomer.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Around e3 time, Sakurai said he was having problems with dual characters like Ice climbers on the 3ds version, so at the time of e3 they may not have even known that Rosalina would be able to make it into the game.
It's possible that he could not be listing Greninja because it could alert Nintendo of the leak, especially considering he was released the next day as a surprise newcomer.

Wouldn't listing someone like that guy from Rhythm Heaven do just as much to "alert" Nintendo to the leak as leaking a specific X/Y 'mon?

 

[The Light Music Club]

Wait, you means it wasn't possible to just switch one file to another?
And I'm not sure why that means the two are cut. They can still exist.

I don't think the 3DS load speed could match that of a home console and is why they had to remove it. Remember Sakurai said he was having trouble with characters that had two people. Perhaps instead of meaning Ice Climbers, he meant transformations. I think there would be no point in having 7 Pokemon reps, and give Mario and Zelda five the roster would have to many Pokemon Character slots at that point. The joy of Pokemon Trainer was that it was three characters in one slot making the roster look more balanced series wise.

 

[Substitution]

I don't think the 3DS load speed could match that of a home console and is why they had to remove it. Remember Sakurai said he was having trouble with characters that had two people. Perhaps instead of meaning Ice Climbers, he meant transformations. I think there would be no point in having 7 Pokemon reps, and give Mario and Zelda five the roster would have to many Pokemon Character slots at that point. The joy of Pokemon Trainer was that it was three characters in one slot making the roster look more balanced series wise.

You know, it's not like the three can't share one slot.
That's what I see them doing with Zelda/Sheik and Samus/Zero Suit Samus.

 

[Deleted member]

Mewtwo and Jigglypuff can both get in if Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone anyway. Am betting they are though.

That's what I'm pretty much seeing with Pokémon here.
Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario
Gekkouga
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff.

Wouldn't listing someone like that guy from Rhythm Heaven do just as much to "alert" Nintendo to the leak as leaking a specific X/Y 'mon?

Not the same case. Pokémon is an incredibly large franchise that has a large emphasis on advertisement (though I'm not saying Gekkouga was added because of that) and is much more relevant to the gaming world than Rhythm Heaven. And as we all know, Gamefreak has a large amount of control over Pokémon properties and to an extent, Pokémon content in Smash. I wouldn't be surprised if salo (or at least someone of relevance) would had possibly got in trouble for revealing Gekkouga, even within mere hours of the Smash Direct.

 

[Muster]

Wouldn't listing someone like that guy from Rhythm Heaven do just as much to "alert" Nintendo to the leak as leaking a specific X/Y 'mon?

Well, the Choir boys weren't announced the very next day.
I'd think that Nintendo employees would look for certain keywords leading up to the direct, with Greninja probably being the top one.
The Choir boys are part of a smaller franchise with a smaller character number as well.

 

[The Light Music Club]

You know, it's not like the three can't share one slot.
That's what I see them doing with Zelda/Sheik and Samus/Zero Suit Samus.

But that wouldn't make any sense. They aren't part of the same character anymore. It's like saying Mario and Dr. Mario should have held a slot together in Melee. Plus, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard alone have nothing to do with each other, it wouldn't make any sense to have them share a slot. At least Zelda and Shiek are the same person, as well as Samus and ZSS being the same person.

 

[Diddy Kong]

That's what I'm pretty much seeing with Pokémon here.
Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario
Gekkouga
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff.
Not the same case. Pokémon is an incredibly large franchise that has a large emphasis on advertisement (though I'm not saying Gekkouga was added because of that) and is much more relevant to the gaming world than Rhythm Heaven. And as we all know, Gamefreak has a large amount of control over Pokémon properties and to an extent, Pokémon content in Smash. I wouldn't be surprised if salo (or at least someone of relevance) would had possibly got in trouble for revealing Gekkouga, even within mere hours of the Smash Direct.

I'd like this to happen:

Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario
Greninja
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Sceptile

7 isn't too bad. Last time to, 2 Pokémon characters got cut, but 4 got added. FOUR! That's a lot.

Basically, anything can happen with Pokémon I feel...

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I'd like this to happen:

Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario
Greninja
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Sceptile

7 isn't too bad. Last time to, 2 Pokémon characters got cut, but 4 got added. FOUR! That's a lot.

Basically, anything can happen with Pokémon I feel...

I seriously doubt that any franchise would get seven reps besides Mario, and by the time that happens, I'll be an old man.

 

[Substitution]

But that wouldn't make any sense. They aren't part of the same character anymore. It's like saying Mario and Dr. Mario should have held a slot together in Melee. Plus, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard alone have nothing to do with each other, it wouldn't make any sense to have them share a slot. At least Zelda and Shiek are the same person, as well as Samus and ZSS being the same person.

I think one thing would be to save up space.
Why have three separate slots that need their own needs when you can have one.

Two, to remind that yes, they we're united at one point.

Look, call me stubborn, but I still think there's a chance.
If anything, just consider me in Denial.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Quite frankly, I think that leak from salo is real at this point.

I do think Mewtwo can still get in, as well as K.Rool.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I seriously doubt that any franchise would get seven reps besides Mario, and by the time that happens, I'll be an old man.

Mario can easily get 2 filler clones or semi-clones with Dr.Mario and Bowser Jr. Am not ruling out anything yet.

Seriously though, I do feel Mario might get 6. And that would increase the chances of Zelda getting 6 to with Impa.

However, I think I should stop wishing that. Cause of Sheik and all that ****... *sigh*

Quite frankly, I think that leak from salo is real at this point.

I do think Mewtwo can still get in, as well as K.Rool.

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[Jason the Yoshi]

Mario can easily get 2 filler clones or semi-clones with Dr.Mario and Bowser Jr. Am not ruling out anything yet.

Seriously though, I do feel Mario might get 6. And that would increase the chances of Zelda getting 6 to with Impa.

However, I think I should stop wishing that. Cause of Sheik and all that ****... *sigh*

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Dr Mario can be an alternate suit for Mario, Bowser Jr I highly doubt will be playable this time.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Mario can easily get 2 filler clones or semi-clones with Dr.Mario and Bowser Jr. Am not ruling out anything yet.

Seriously though, I do feel Mario might get 6. And that would increase the chances of Zelda getting 6 to with Impa.

However, I think I should stop wishing that. Cause of Sheik and all that ****... *sigh*

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It's the one @Super Smash Bros. Fan posted.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Dr Mario can be an alternate suit for Mario, Bowser Jr I highly doubt will be playable this time.

Dr.Mario was planned as a full character for Brawl. Also, Toad might happen one day... So if those two would be in, we'd have 7 characters.

Not that Toad will happen of course. Toad and Ridley will forever serve the ****ty roles they have in Smash. And we cannot change it. Same like how we will forever be confronted with a one-off character with a small NPC role without any fighting in a game that might forever get milked out due to countless ports for every possibly Nintendo platform. Oh, and instead of throwing that ONE iconic projectile this certain character just gets bombs, just because...

It's the one @Super Smash Bros. Fan posted.

Missed that one.

 

[Bowserlick]

Venusaur or Serperior or Chesnaught for the Grass fully evolved starter.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Venusaur or Serperior or Chesnaught for the Grass fully evolved starter.

Only answer.

Damn I bet @Rebellious Treecko is gonna enjoy this whole Sceptile show...

 

[Bowserlick]

Kinda boring.

Venusaur brings vine whipping and his flower. Serperior as a snake brings constriction, slithering, striking. Chesnaught is a brawling chestnut.

 

[Will]

The only two people I'm waiting for is Wario and Falcon.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Kinda boring.

Venusaur brings vine whipping and his flower. Serperior as a snake brings constriction, slithering, striking. Chesnaught is a brawling chestnut.

Chesnaught is kinda impossible cause his first stage is already a Poké Ball Pokémon. And am not really sold on having 2 of Kanto's or Kalos' starters honestly. Serperior would be... Weird. Meganium is about the least popular Pokémon in existance also.

If Venusaur would happen, I'd get SERIOUSLY upset about no Blastoise to.

So no. Please, let's not be to skeptical. Just add Sceptile.

 

[Will]

So no. Please, let's not be to skeptical. Just add Sceptile.

I find this funny ; when it's near morning around my area,there's something about Sceptile,but into the night,it's all about Mewtwo.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd like this to happen:

Pikachu
Charizard
Lucario
Greninja
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Sceptile

7 isn't too bad. Last time to, 2 Pokémon characters got cut, but 4 got added. FOUR! That's a lot.

Basically, anything can happen with Pokémon I feel...

If we were to get seven Pokémon reps, I'd personally like to see Pichu return. Or if not, Typhlosion.

 

[Diddy Kong]

If we were to get seven Pokémon reps, I'd personally like to see Pichu return. Or if not, Typhlosion.

If another Fire Starter had to be added, we'd probably see Blaziken.

But no let's just add Sceptile!

I wanna Leaf Blade some Greninja.

 

[Gune]

so people are going back to the initial plan of 7 pokemon?

 

[JamesDNaux]

Every single one of us was wrong about many things, we may have got a few small things right, but ultimately the speculation meant nothing.

We have to face the facts, cuts happened, more will happen. This isn't Super Smash Bros, this is Super Marketing Bros.

Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, and Greninja are all very marketable for Game Freak, the only possible choice left is Mewtwo, Jiggs has overstayed her welcome. The people who keep saying "she can't, she's an original!" are in denial now, there have been many times when we said that there was no way something could happen but it did. Remember when Ness was almost cut for Lucas? Ness is an original. Jiggs almost didn't make it into Brawl either, are people forgetting these things?

If we can lose the main protagonist of Pokemon, we can lose an old original that is no longer important to Game Freak. I could be wrong yeah, but this is honestly the most likely thing to happen, and if you really want to say otherwise, look no further than Greninja. You can stay optimistic, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

 

[Diddy Kong]

so people are going back to the initial plan of 7 pokemon?

Yes.

Why wouldn't we?

 

[Gune]

Yes.

Why wouldn't we?

Never said you shouldnt just happy things are going back to normal with the pokemon speculation somewhat.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

I know most of the regulars there at least have accounts here. Ones I can think of off the top of my head are me (lol), @ CrusherMania1592 , @DragonSniperNintendo, and I know some of them lurk here.

I've been offline from here for too long


Anyone wanna summarize what's been going on minus the Direct?

 

[Gune]

I've been offline from here for too long


Anyone wanna summarize what's been going on minus the Direct?

A lot of stuff happened most notably people lost hype and are leaving speculation threads.

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm guessing that we might see Jigglypuff and Mewtwo. But aside from that, I can't really see any other Pokemon being added. But Sceptile WOULD be pretty cool.

 

[Rockaphin]

I've noticed that a lot of people are fine with 6 Pokémon reps(I being one of them), so would that justify the Mario Series having 6 reps?
And I personally would take Mewtwo over Jigglypuff if I had to chose between the two.
Oh and R.I.P Pokémon Trainer

 

[N3ON]

A lot of stuff happened most notably people lost hype and are leaving speculation threads.

Leave it to Smashboards to have that be our reaction to getting a ****ing fantastic forty minute Smash Direct. Shamefur.

 

[zauberdragon]

http://cdn.medialib.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/screens/screenshot_63975_thumb_wide930.jpg

Looking like Ice Climber enemies are in Smash Run. I'd say they're safe now.

There's quite a lot of stuff in these images actually. Timer and Mr Saturn are back as items. Lakitu is back as an assist and there's a new drill gun type weapon.

Darkrai is a pokeball which leads me to believe all the pokemon shown the Greninja trailer stood beneath pikachu and charizard are pokeball pokemon. Last time I check all but 4-5 had been confiremd already.

Further edit: both mega and posion mushrooms back, bellossom and goldeen are back as pokeballs, mini guys (mites?) are in back in smash run from SSE, franklin badge is back and most interestingly:

http://cdn.medialib.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/screens/screenshot_63899_thumb_wide930.jpg

Does this mean Alfonzo appears if either Link is playing on the stage?

One final Edit: Wow there's quite a bit of stuff here. http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/viewer.php?mode=article&id=63918#top_banner Full link there for those who want it.

Final bits of knowledge:
Starman, warp star,football/soccer ball, curry and metal box return
Mew and snorlax are back as pokeballs and Spewpa is a new pokeball pokemon
Nintendog stage is called 'living room' and has cats in the background as well
The left side of gerudo valley has fire just as the right side has ice shown last night

 

[The Light Music Club]

I think that the only cuts will be Ivysaur and Squirtle (Do to transformation issues) and MAYBE Snake. If Toon Link doesn't get cut, then in all honesty no one should. Lucas is more original then Toon Link so he should stay, and Ike's game was one of the more rare games of the GCN, so there would be no reason to cut them. And with Wolf we would just be loosing another villain, and since we haven't gotten a newcomer villain yet I think that would just make the roster unbalanced. No more cuts unless they have issues with time.

 

[N3ON]

http://cdn.medialib.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/screens/screenshot_63975_thumb_wide930.jpg

Looking like Ice Climber enemies are in Smash Run. I'd say they're safe now.

Nice find!

I just hope their mechanic stays about the same. ZSS, Sheik, Charizard, even Olimar have given a bit of credence to programming worries, even if they were all changed under the guise of balance (which to be fair was also probably a factor).

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm still pretty hyped. But I do understand that some of us are kind of dissapointed or put on edge. At when it comes to certain character being not being playable like Goroh and Saki. And being teased at some more, like Palutena, and to a lesser extent, Ridley. Not all that sure if Mewtwo was teased at. Looking at the Greninja trailer again, it seems a lot more obvious it was him.

http://cdn.medialib.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/screens/screenshot_63975_thumb_wide930.jpg

Looking like Ice Climber enemies are in Smash Run. I'd say they're safe now.

Didn't have much doubt about them honestly. Though we don't know how much they may have changed either.

You know who we haven't seen much of, Falco. It'd be cool to get his reveal out of the way soon too.

 

[bryanoid]

Of course Mario is getting 6 reps. Sakurai stated that he is all about roster balance this time around. But that also means we're probably staying at 6 for pokemon as well (sorry you guys). Do you really think Sakurai has revealed ALL the Mario characters? I REALLY doubt it. Who knows, maybe it's Dr. Mario in his own slot. Yes that would suck but it could be.