Character Discussion Thread

[Kenith]

Today was interesting to say the least.

King K. Rool

• Kremlings have a presence in Smash Run.
• Gonna say that I expect him much more now.​

Zelda Franchise

• Sheik being separated is a good thing, it means we can finally see our preexisting cast of 5 characters.
• No new character seems likely, the franchise is still getting a crazy amount of love through items.​

Metroid Franchise

• As much as it pains me to say it, gonna have to take good ol' Ridley outta my roster. Twas a good ride, but maybe next time again. I see reasons to continue speculating him though, but for now I'm gonna keep him out until further details arise.​

Palutena

• That fakeout makes that leak seem even more real.
• Pit's final smash changing just oozes more likeliness for the Goddess of Light.​

Pokémon

• Greninja was hard to wrap my head around. Seeing as Pokémon had 6 characters last time around, I see no harm in it having the same amount for this game. Funny how the standard five has become the standard six.​

Robin

• As in previous versions of my roster, replaceable with any other Fire Emblem character within reason.
• If transformation characters are now out of the question, it makes me more interested in seeing a stance character.​

Shulk

• We may not have been able to know his name today, but Shulk remains on the roster. Not much else to say.​

Muddy Mole

• While originally Lip, who was deconfirmed literally twenty minutes after I completed my roster, Muddy is gonna be in place of any other Retro character that appears in the game. So he's basically a filler for now.
• I still find his burrowing mechanic to incredibly promising. I will remain hopeful to the very end.​

No Snake

• Sheik's new grenade move sold it for me. But I could still be very wrong and I would not mind being very wrong. I was aiming for 48 characters, but number 49 would certainly be Snake. [50 would be Ridley if you were curious]

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In the end all I really have to say is this.
I'm only mad about what happened to Ridley because it feeds Shokio's ego.

Oh and Ninja Frogs are pretty cool. Klefki would have been better though and you all know it.

Pretty solid roster. Good to see someone not losing their head over Greninja and no Ridley, and cutting people left and right because Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone.

I think Robin might have the biggest chance she's ever gotten. Custom movesets, emphasis on uniqueness, and no transforming/switching characters completely shatter my expectations in regards to Chrom and/or Lucina. Robin seems like the way to go. I hope it's not the male version though, just for diversity's sake.

 

[Baskerville]

Pokemon getting more characters than both Mario and Zelda isn't really so farfetched as some seem to believe. But personally for me, I just want Mewtwo to take Puff's place.

 

[AEMehr]

Pretty solid roster. Good to see someone not losing their head over Greninja and no Ridley.

I think Robin might have the biggest chance she's ever gotten. Custom movesets, emphasis on uniqueness, and no transforming/switching characters completely shatter my expectations in regards to Chrom and/or Lucina. Robin seems like the way to go. I hope it's not the male version though, just for diversity's sake.

Thank you!
Yes, it seems like the perfect thing to do. Although it currently looks like that Custom movesets are limited to Special moves. But if the special moves change with the stance you're in, it certainly helps with the diversity you can have with Robin. I'd like either with the ability to switch genders through costumes. If they're doing it for the "Wii Fit Trainers" I see no reason to not do it for Robin or Villager.

Pokemon getting more characters than both Mario and Zelda isn't really so farfetched as some seem to believe. But personally for me, I just want Mewtwo to take Puff's place.

Indeed, the Mario franchise already has 8 characters. With a total 10 to be generally expected. Even if they're not classified as "Super Mario Bros." characters, the Mario franchise still outranks the rest of the franchises when it comes to playable characters in the roster.

 

[FalKoopa]

Well, I actually think Ivysaur and Squirtle have a decent chance of making it on their own. Why is everyone so quick to assume they're gone?

 

[Kenith]

Thank you!
Yes, it seems like the perfect thing to do. Although it currently looks like that Custom movesets are limited to Special moves. But if the special moves change with the stance you're in, it certainly helps with the diversity you can have with Robin. I'd like either with the ability to switch genders through costumes. If they're doing it for the "Wii Fit Trainers" I see no reason to not do it for Robin or Villager.

Honestly, I would rather Villager and potentially Robin remain having only one side. The Wii Fit Trainers, I've always though they were more generic than Villager, who is kind of given his own identity in this context. Besides, I think, while a good idea in theory, having Robin switch genders on the fly in Smash would be more awkward than WFT, as Robin very much has an identity, but in Awakening, you somewhat assume the role of that character, hence "Avatar". In Smash Bros, the role/abilities of the character would be much more defined, to the point where having Robin switch genders would be the same as doing so for, say, Link, or any character.
Does that make sense?

Also, in regards to the Zelda point, I agree that so many Zelda items and ATs probably means that there isn't going to be a newcomer. But I can always dream.

 

[Gune]

Well, I actually think Ivysaur and Squirtle have a decent chance of making it on their own. Why is everyone so quick to assume they're gone?

Well 8 pokemon seems a bit much to people now, even so to the point people are doubting mewtwo's return. That direct really killed some peoples hype like real bad.

 

[Mr_Anderson]

All you guys are talking about the Pokemon that might get in without mentioning something that I think is kinda important: we have a fire Pokemon, Charizard, and we have a water Pokemon, Greninja. So where's the grass Pokemon?

If we can assume that the Pokeballs thrown in the cinematic trailer for Greninja are Pokemon you can get from the Pokeball item, Snivy (thus Serperior) and Chesnaught are out, leaving us with the possibility of solo Ivysaur (maybe Venusaur), Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra as the remaining starters. Now, they don't have to be starters- they could add something like Exeggutor or Virizion- but I think it would be weird if they had fire and water Pokemon without a grass rep. Thoughts?

Edit: I lost a few letters

 

[Kenith]

All you guys are talking about the Pokemon that might get in without mentioning something that I think is kinda important: we have a fire Pokemon, Charizard, and we have a water Pokemon, Greninja. So where's the grass Pokemon?

If we can assume that the Pokeballs thrown in the cinematic trailer for Greninja are Pokemon you can get from the Pokeball item, Snivy (thus Serperior) and Chesnaught are out, leaving us with the possibility of solo Ivysaur (maybe Venusaur), Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra as the remaining starters. Now, they don't have to be starters- they could add so ethin like Exeggutor or Virizion- but it would just be weird if they had fire and water Pokemon without a grass rep. Thoughts?

If the roster was larger than I anticipated, then I would be all for this. I would love for this character to be Grovyle, as he is surprisingly popular and I like him a lot. However, I think it's best to leave it as it is, with the addition of Mewtwo and Jigglypuff, as that is six characters, as many as Brawl had, and now that they're separate, it will be all the more clear.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Lip hasn't been deconfirmed yet. Having no hope for does not equal deconfirmed. Trust me, I barely have any hope for her, but I'm not going to say deconfirmed.

Also, here is a question. Why is Greninja in? I know he is popular in X and Y, but Sakurai couldn't have known that considering the roster was finalized way before X and Y came out.

What gives?

 

[AEMehr]

Lip hasn't been deconfirmed yet. Having no hope for does not equal deconfirmed. Trust me, I barely have any hope for her, but I'm not going to say deconfirmed.

Her main way of attacking is an item.

She's gone.

 

[*The Sensus Crustulum*]

Pokemon getting 6 reps actually make sense. It is one of Nintendo's biggest franchises, so it wouldn't seem weird. However I can't say the same thing about Ridley. I still have hope for him, but there is already two Metroid reps so his chances are dimminishing. I am not even going to comment on the Pyrosphere stage hazard.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

As far as I am concerned, Pac-Man is playable. Haters might as well loosen up... the pain will go away faster.

I hope to see Pac-Man.

 

[Muster]

Guys. Sheik's and snake's grenades are different attacks.

For one, Burst Grenade is sheik's Side B. It's an attack that basically throws the grenade out on a string, and once she releases the button (or hits it again?) she pulls the string, and the grenade explodes almost immediately.
It's more of a ninja kind of thing, because she can put the grenade where she wants it to go before setting it off.

Snake's grenade is entirely different, It's his neutral B, and he can cook it as well as throw it at any angle he likes, but he cannot control its explosion time outside of cooking it like sheik, and sheik cannot throw multiple grenades like Snake can.
Snake's grenades can also be picked up as an item, which probably isn't the case for sheik's as they set off at the pull of a string.

 

[Starphoenix]

All you guys are talking about the Pokemon that might get in without mentioning something that I think is kinda important: we have a fire Pokemon, Charizard, and we have a water Pokemon, Greninja. So where's the grass Pokemon?

If we can assume that the Pokeballs thrown in the cinematic trailer for Greninja are Pokemon you can get from the Pokeball item, Snivy (thus Serperior) and Chesnaught are out, leaving us with the possibility of solo Ivysaur (maybe Venusaur), Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra as the remaining starters. Now, they don't have to be starters- they could add something like Exeggutor or Virizion- but I think it would be weird if they had fire and water Pokemon without a grass rep. Thoughts?

Edit: I lost a few letters

The presence of both a Fire and Water-type Pokémon is probably more coincidence than intentional. I doubt Ivysaur is coming back the same, if at all, since Sakurai seems to be phasing out the tether recovery mechanic for the most part.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Well, Yoshi came, and I predicted that Yoshi would be back during the direct, so I'm not all that depressed. I'm preordering the 3DS version this weekend! Who's with me?

 

[Joe D.]

So are we gonna be seeing Zero Suit Samus and Sheik in their own slots? Or are we the same scenario as the previous games, but they give you a choice on who you pick before you go in. I'd prefer the second option alot more.

Also, I don't mind that they seperated characters, in fact I support it. I'll support it 10x more if they still share character slots. I don't want a Cole/ Evil Cole situation.

 

[zauberdragon]

So are we gonna be seeing Zero Suit Samus and Sheik in their own slots? Or are we the same scenario as the previous games, but they give you a choice on who you pick before you go in. I'd prefer the second option alot more.

Also, I don't mind that they seperated characters, in fact I support it. I'll support it 10x more if they still share character slots. I don't want a Cole/ Evil Cole situation.

Obviously this all complete speculation on my part but considering they no longer have anything to do with their old transformation I'd imagine they're going to be separate. I get what you mean with the whole cole thing but they're completely separate characters and I doubt most new comers to smash would even realise zelda and sheik have any relation. I'd say the same about samus and ZSS if it wasn't for the name.

Also I've just been rewatching the Greninja trailer and I didn't realise there's an X and Y Elite four stage in it. I called that to a friend of mine when X and Y first came out so I've got another prediction under my belt

 

[BluePikmin11]

Lip is also gone, so that means space for 2 certain Gameboy characters.
Seeing something as obscure as Nintendo's first console the Color Game TV, I have lots of hope regarding Sable.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

If Mewtwo and Jigglypuff are coming back, this could erase all doubts on a potential 6th Mario rep; possibly Bowser Jr.. At the same time though, a 6th Zelda rep could also occur. If this comes to pass, then...

...oh boy, this could mean that Ghirahim may enter the battle. I think my past with him may be coming back to haunt me again.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

If Mewtwo and Jigglypuff are coming back, this could erase all doubts on a potential 6th Mario rep; possibly Bowser Jr.. At the same time though, a 6th Zelda rep could also occur. If this comes to pass, then...

...oh boy, this could mean that Ghirahim may enter the battle. I think my past with him may be coming back to haunt me again.

I highly doubt that Ghirahim will be playable.

 

[Kenith]

If Mewtwo and Jigglypuff are coming back, this could erase all doubts on a potential 6th Mario rep; possibly Bowser Jr.. At the same time though, a 6th Zelda rep could also occur. If this comes to pass, then...

...oh boy, this could mean that Ghirahim may enter the battle. I think my past with him may be coming back to haunt me again.

Yes...let his fabulous image sink into your mind and soul.

We all know, deep down, that he will be playable.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

If Mewtwo and Jigglypuff are coming back, this could erase all doubts on a potential 6th Mario rep; possibly Bowser Jr.. At the same time though, a 6th Zelda rep could also occur. If this comes to pass, then...

Jiggs and Mewtwo coming back means nothing for the Mario/Zelda Rosters. If the Pokemon chaaracters we get are the ones we have now(Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, and Greninja) plus Mewtwo and Jiggs, that leaves us with 6 playable Pokemon - the same number as in Brawl.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Pokemon getting more characters than both Mario and Zelda isn't really so farfetched as some seem to believe. But personally for me, I just want Mewtwo to take Puff's place.

That isn't happening, Sakurai would not cut a member of the original twelve, Mewtwo's gone.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Jiggs and Mewtwo coming back means nothing for the Mario/Zelda Rosters. If the Pokemon chaaracters we get are the ones we have now(Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, and Greninja) plus Mewtwo and Jiggs, that leaves us with 6 playable Pokemon - the same number as in Brawl.

Still, they're all separate entities now, so you do need to look at that possibility.

 

[Staarih]

I feel like we'll still get both Jigglypuff and Mewtwo. That'll be six Pokémon reps, but that's what we had in Brawl, as many have said. I've never felt there's any specific limits on how many characters a certain franchise can carry. As for "where's the grass-type Pokémon!?", I feel like having a fire- and water-type is coincidental, like someone else mentioned. Charizard's inclusion is obvious because of his iconic and popular appearance in both Pokémon and Smash, and Greninja is just to promote the newest generation - and also just happens to be one of the more popular Pokémon of its gen, regardless of its type or anything.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

That isn't happening, Sakurai would not cut a member of the original twelve, Mewtwo's gone.

...why can't we have both?

Again, if they're both back, we'd have the same number of Pokemon characters as in Brawl. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Yes...let his fabulous image sink into your mind and soul.

We all know, deep down, that he will be playable.

No he won't. The only hope I have for a sixth Zelda representative is Toon Zelda, who was planned for Brawl

@ Robert of Normandy
In Brawl, we had four Pokemon characters, you're missing the point that the Pokemon Trainer was a triple changer

 

[Kenith]

No he won't. The only hope I have for a sixth Zelda representative is Toon Zelda, who was planned for Brawl

Why not?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

In Brawl, we had four Pokemon characters, you're missing the point that the Pokemon Trainer was a triple changer

Except Sakurai counted all of the individual Pokemon as characters, which makes sense because they each have their own moveset.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Why not?

Ghirahim is not in any means more iconic, memorable, nor recognizeable than Ganondorf or Toon Zelda. Toon Zelda was planned for Brawl, but was scrapped when Sakurai finally got SEGA's permission to add Sonic to Brawl.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

No he won't. The only hope I have for a sixth Zelda representative is Toon Zelda, who was planned for Brawl

@ Robert of Normandy
In Brawl, we had four Pokemon characters, you're missing the point that the Pokemon Trainer was a triple changer

Squirtle and Ivysaur still count as separate movesets, therefore they're still characters.

Pokemon had 6 in Brawl, they can still have 6 with Mewtwo.

 

[Joe D.]

Obviously this all complete speculation on my part but considering they no longer have anything to do with their old transformation I'd imagine they're going to be separate. I get what you mean with the whole cole thing but they're completely separate characters and I doubt most new comers to smash would even realise zelda and sheik have any relation. I'd say the same about samus and ZSS if it wasn't for the name.

Also I've just been rewatching the Greninja trailer and I didn't realise there's an X and Y Elite four stage in it. I called that to a friend of mine when X and Y first came out so I've got another prediction under my belt

True to the different characters part, but i'd rather them share slots. I mean, it gives us more slots for other characters, and a more diverse display of movesets. I guess i'm more wrong then right though.

Btw, nice prediction! I'm still holding out for a Tetris stage

 

[Kenith]

Ghirahim is not in any means more iconic, memorable, nor recognizeable than Ganondorf or Toon Zelda. Toon Zelda was planned for Brawl, but was scrapped when Sakurai finally got SEGA's permission to add Sonic to Brawl.

Source on that last bit?

And what makes you think that Ghirahim is trying for Ganondorf's spot?

 

[Will]

Boy,that direct sure was-WAIT?!
flashbaaaaaaaackk...

I saw an item not mentioned on the list,but was in the direct ; The Blue Shell.

 

[The Nerd]

I would not be surprised if we had 6 playable Mario and Pokemon characters at this point. As for Zelda, I think 5 is sufficient; there is no clear cut best option for the sixth and the series feels quite complete as it is. I mean, I wish Ganon in his pig with a trident form was playable, but I know when a dream is a dream. Still though, Jiggs and Mewtwo are convincing options for Pokemon characters and both Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario are strong and interesting options for the Mario franchise.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Source on that last bit?

And what makes you think that Ghirahim is trying for Ganondorf's spot?

obv you can't have more than one villain per franchise

why? BCUZ PATTERNS DUH

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm inclined to believe there will only be 5 Pokemon Characters now, so either Jiggs makes the jump or Mewtwo does, and I'm leaning towards the later.

 

[Kenith]

I'm inclined to believe there will only be 5 Pokemon Characters now, so either Jiggs makes the jump or Mewtwo does, and I'm leaning towards the later.

...Why?

 

[Will]

WOAH MORE FLASHBACKS

Goldeen in the Greninja trailer? But that pokemon wasn't mentioned on the list either...

 

[BluePikmin11]

...Why?

You're aren't going to like the answer:

Spoiler

Overrepresentation..