Character Discussion Thread

[BKupa666]

I really can't (realistically) see Tom Nook as anything more than a semi-clone.

Although he is, at least, not just Villager with a ponytail.

He can shoot money at you and the money sticks to you and slows you down. Do any other characters on the roster do that? NO.

 

[Kenith]

So a lot of people think Paper Mario could get in as his own IP (which I think is stupid). But, if those people exist, then why is it that NOBODY predicts Baby Mario as a Yoshi IP?

Mainly because Baby Mario as a standalone character (i.e. Mario Kart) is only featured in Mario series games. Whereas Baby Mario as a Yoshi character is always seen with Yoshi, and no one wants Baby Mario+Yoshi.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

He can shoot money at you and the money sticks to you and slows you down. Do any other characters on the roster do that? NO.

Now you're getting into the spirit!

 

[UltimateWario]

He can shoot money at you and the money sticks to you and slows you down. Do any other characters on the roster do that? NO.

...but Tom Nook never does...





OH, I get it.

 

[Opossum]

He can shoot money at you and the money sticks to you and slows you down. Do any other characters on the roster do that? NO.

Oddly enough, if Dixie gets in, I actually expect this to be her main shtick.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

...but Tom Nook never does...





OH, I get it.

Can someone explain to me the specific reference?

 

[Substitution]

It's a damned if you do or damned if you don't situation.

You either got to break the game or make the most soulless character ever.

Who's to say he's soulless?

They could give him a personality. It's possible to make him a character without customizing.
Heck, they did with Villager.

@ BluePikmin11 A generic controllable recovery, like those of Pit and ROB...I'll pass, thanks.

What about the jetpack from Pilotwings?
See, what we could do is this:
After it's used, Mii will skyrocket a decent horizontal height.
But, we have a drawback. It can be countered.
What'll happen is the jetpack would malfunction and explode, causing damage and knockback for Mii.
But mind you, it the explosion comes into contact with the opponent, they receive damage and knockback as well, making it a decent finisher.

 

[UltimateWario]

Can someone explain to me the specific reference?

People using concepts that are only tenuously connected to a character to come up with a unique, but completely unrealistic moveset.

Actual Example: Rosalina shooting babies at people.
Not Actual Example: Ridley summoning Space Pirate minions to perform the majority of his moves.
Not Actual Example: Mewtwo using his TM compatibility to use Fire-, Ice-, and Electric-Type moves.
Not Actual Example: Tom Nook using a debt-system and powers from Mario's Tanooki suit.

 

[Kenith]

Who's to say he's soulless?
They could give him a personality. It's possible to make him a character without customizing.
Heck, they did with Villager.

But giving Miis a personality would completely defeat the purpose. The whole point of Miis is to insert the player into the game.

 

[BKupa666]

Can someone explain to me the specific reference?

A combination of putting a gimmick on a simple projectile (gumball pellets, money) to bolster its otherwise nonexistent uniqueness and the practice of taking a single move and claiming that move singlehandedly makes a character worth including.

@ Substitution That's an alright move idea, albeit a tad similar to Diddy's UpSpec for my liking. Thing is, picking out single unique moves doesn't do anything for me. I like to see how multiple unique moves come together to form a unique playstyle, which the Mii is simply incapable of providing by spamming props. It's partly why I dislike the WFT; her playstyle is just a generic balanced rushdown one from what we've seen thus far.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Oddly enough, if Dixie gets in, I actually expect this to be her main shtick.

If Dixie gets in, I'd expect something along the lines of Millia.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Mainly because Baby Mario as a standalone character (i.e. Mario Kart) is only featured in Mario series games. Whereas Baby Mario as a Yoshi character is always seen with Yoshi, and no one wants Baby Mario+Yoshi.

It doesn't surprise me that people let requests and ridiculous canon related gibberish cloud their judgement of plausibility.

 

[UltimateWario]

But giving Miis a personality would completely defeat the purpose. The whole point of Miis is to insert the player into the game.

I wish you could customize Miis on a hyper-intensive level.

I mean, I want my Mii to scream "**** YOU, *****" when he gets a KO, and "HOLY GODDAMN JESUS CHRIST THIS HURTS" if he's set on fire or something. And a moveset based entirely on underhanded sucker punches. I mean, it is supposed to be like playing as myself!

 

[Substitution]

But giving Miis a personality would completely defeat the purpose. The whole point of Miis is to insert the player into the game.

But mind you, Smash doesn't play by those rules. It isn't exactly one to follow canon.
If they could give PKMN Trainer and Villager, two characters that exist for the exact same purpose a character.

They can find a way with Miis.

@ Substitution That's an alright move idea, albeit a tad similar to Diddy's UpSpec for my liking. Thing is, picking out single unique moves doesn't do anything for me. I like to see how multiple unique moves come together to form a unique playstyle, which the Mii is simply incapable of providing by spamming props. It's partly why I dislike the WFT; her playstyle is just a generic balanced rushdown one from what we've seen thus far.

I can help here as well.
See, we have bit and peices that can come together to make a moveset.
Not only the numerous Mii games that are out, but something else.
See, Mii is supposed to represent the Wii correct? Well, why not let him use Wii accessories in his moveset?
Like having a "punch-punch-uppercut" combo using the Wiimote+Nunchuk?
Or having the Dash Attack use the Wii Wheel (like he's stopping an invisible car)?
Or having his Neutral Special use the Wii Zapper is some way?

Side Special?
We can let the Mii use the Home Button on a Wiimote to "pause" the area in front of him.
Temporarily freezing opponents/projectiles/items in from of him.

Though, with great power comes low batteries.
And thus this attack requires charging (and the shorter you wait, the weaker the attack).

 

[Kenith]

But mind you, Smash doesn't play by those rules. It isn't exactly one to follow canon.
If they could give PKMN Trainer and Villager, two characters that exist for the exact same purpose a character.
They can find a way with Miis.

As I've said before, Villager represents Animal Crossing as a whole, which is full of personality. And even he doesn't really have it.
PKMN Trainer is clearly a reference to Ash in terms of personality, and even then, it's sort of vague.

 

[Will]

As I've said before, Villager represents Animal Crossing as a whole, which is full of personality. And even he doesn't really have it.
PKMN Trainer is clearly a reference to Ash in terms of personality, and even then, it's sort of vague.

Pokemond Red and Blue/Green - 1996
Pokemon Anime - 1998 - 1999

Apparently Nintendo has a time traveling machine.

It doesn't surprise me that people let requests and ridiculous canon related gibberish cloud their judgement of plausibility.

Oh,you're back.
And I can agree on this.

 

[Substitution]

As I've said before, Villager represents Animal Crossing as a whole, which is full of personality. And even he doesn't really have it.
PKMN Trainer is clearly a reference to Ash in terms of personality, and even then, it's sort of vague.

But even with what little personality they had, it was still possible to make a character out of them.
It's no different with Mii.

Look at what Mii has done. He's raced in karts in space, traveled to a faraway island, he's even learned how to fly a plane.
Why then, why not make him a energetic character? One who loves adventure?

 

[Kenith]

But even with what little personality they had, it was still possible to make a character out of them.
It's no different with Mii.
Look at what Mii has done. He's raced in karts in space, traveled to a faraway island, he's even learned how to fly a plane.
Why then, why not make him a energetic character? One who loves adventure?

Mario and friends have done all of those things.

 

[Will]

I wish you could customize Miis on a hyper-intensive level.

I mean, I want my Mii to scream "**** YOU, *****" when he gets a KO, and "HOLY GODDAMN JESUS CHRIST THIS HURTS" if he's set on fire or something. And a moveset based entirely on underhanded sucker punches. I mean, it is supposed to be like playing as myself!

So,basically you're saying you want to record your voice into the game and it is what your Mii's reaction/response to a certain status will be?

k.

 

[Opossum]

If Dixie gets in, I'd expect something along the lines of Millia.

After looking up some of her gameplay, I really like that idea, actually. It'd be awesome if Dixie got in like that.

 

[Substitution]

Mario and friends have done all of those things.

And?

 

[Will]

I've been thinking about the negative sayings of a character's chances,and I think to myself : "Who hated Ridley's size first?"

 

[TheLastJinjo]

After looking up some of her gameplay, I really like that idea, actually. It'd be awesome if Dixie got in like that.

I wouldn't expect her to be any less than a Luigified character.

She can't use the Barrel Pack, so she'd have her own upward special and final smash, and the hair would certainly give her a lot of unique smash attacks. Maybe even maker her more than a Luigi.

I'm thinking her gum would probably substitute for her Peanut Popgun seeing as it actually functions similar to the one Diddy uses in Smash.

 

[Will]

I'm thinking her gum would probably substitute for her Peanut Popgun seeing as it actually functions similar to the one Diddy uses in Smash.

Yes,Saturn,the true weapon of the primeapes.

Blowing....Bubble Gum?

 

[Opossum]

I wouldn't expect her to be any less than a Luigified character.

She can't use the Barrel Pack, so she'd have her own upward special and final smash, and the hair would certainly give her a lot of unique smash attacks. Maybe even maker her more than a Luigi.

I'm thinking her gum would probably substitute for her Peanut Popgun seeing as it actually functions similar to the one Diddy uses in Smash.

I'm just saying, it'd be awesome to see her utilize her hair to that extent, what with the heavy whip-like slamming motions I saw in some of the Millia gameplay.

Perhaps if she got in, she could be a Wolf-esque semi-clone. Y'know, fully unique normals, but semi-clones Specials (minus the obvious Up Special, of course).

 

[NickerBocker]

I don't think the question is whether or not the Mii could be unique, as any character really could be, but more like would we even want them to be unique in the place for some other more deserving (debatable) characters.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yes,Saturn,the true weapon of the primeapes.

Blowing....Bubble Gum?

Well, in Donkey Kong Country 3 it's used to push Kiddy out of the way. So maybe it'll be like the Peanut Popgun except it just charges and explodes rather than shooting forward, or function like the Deku bubble.

 

[Will]

I have an idea for Dixie's final smash :

You know how in DK64 Diddy has a Rock Guitar Special Move?
You know how in DKC2 you get a bonus at the end of a normal stage Dixie plays a Blue similar guitar to Diddy's?

You know what I'm going with.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I have an idea for Dixie's final smash :

You know how in DK64 Diddy has a Rock Guitar Special Move?
You know how in DKC2 you get a bonus at the end of a normal stage Dixie plays a Blue similar guitar to Diddy's?

You know what I'm going with.

That's kind of everyone's idea.

 

[Autumn ♫]

So, are we all ready for Vaati to be revealed tomorrow?

 

[Substitution]

I don't think the question is whether or not the Mii could be unique, as any character really could be, but more like would we even want them to be unique in the place for some other more deserving (debatable) characters.

Well, for one.
Any character should be unique, regardless of importance.

Two, I think they're deserving of something.
Now, when it comes to comparing them to the likes of Ridley or Palutena, that's debatable.
But they're at least somewhere in terms of importance, even if it is around 7th-10th place.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't think the question is whether or not the Mii could be unique, as any character really could be, but more like would we even want them to be unique in the place for some other more deserving (debatable) characters.

In terms of diversity that "we don't see" (a quote from Sakurai), I would want the Miis to be unique over other debatable, "deserving" characters.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So, are we all ready for Vaati to be revealed tomorrow?

Sorry, we haven't gotten Ganondorf yet.

 

[Will]

That's kind of everyone's idea.

Thanks for ruining my moment of fine brain-work.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Am I the only one who thinks Luigi is too unique?

I'm kind of pissed. The Tornado move really isn't necessary or sensical. The Poltergust should have been his downward special. Not his Final Smash. I'm gonna miss the Negative Zone.

And even though the Green Missile is freaking awesome, where the hell did that come from???

 

[shrooby]

Talking about things Miis could do?
Obviously they'd be a summoner character! What would they summon? More Miis! Because we all want to see more of them running around on screen.

 

[Will]

Am I the only one who thinks Luigi is too unique?

I'm kind of pissed. The Tornado move really isn't necessary or sensical. The Poltergust should have been his downward special. Not his Final Smash. I'm gonna miss the Negative Zone.

I wish Luigi's B Standard was replaced by the Thunder Hand from Mario & Luigi : Superstar Saga.

 

[FlareHabanero]

After looking up some of her gameplay, I really like that idea, actually. It'd be awesome if Dixie got in like that.

Well, it is a natural idea to consider.

In fact, ever since Rosalina & Luma came in utilizing the gimmick used by Zato-1 and Eddie, I was curious if there would be more inspirations from Guilty Gear or it's sister series BlazBlue.

Well, in general fighting games. While people will deny it, there are more influences from fighting games in Super Smash Bros. then people think.

 

[Opossum]

I wish Luigi's B Standard was replaced by the Thunder Hand from Mario & Luigi : Superstar Saga.

I think the reason they keep it is to keep the Mario Bros. reference, in which the red fireballs bounced around (like Mario's, and any given by the Fire Flower in general), while the green ones went in a straighter trajectory. It's basically a historical reference.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Anybody else got some high hopes for tomorrow?

Here's what I THINK we could get, or at least what I think would easily be the best case scenario.

New Trailer for Smash, introduce newcomer...I'd prefer Palutena to get it over with. A couple vets (3-5 seems fair), Sakurai discusses gameplay and new modes...

Possible second newcomer towards end, maybe a real big name character (Ridley, Mewtwo...take your pick). Release date window, if not the actual date (i'd **** myself).

Call me crazy, but hear my logic: We got the developer direct which was around 6 minutes, and he covered the graphics on both consoles, 3 new characters, changes to Bowser...A Direct is waaaay longer than that. We're talking upwards of 20 minutes possibly. That's a crap ton of content he can cover.

I've got high hopes for this. I doubt disappointment.