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I dunno, Next Level Games tweeted about, I wouldn't say they did it for nothing.
...King Boo Confirmed. :p

That is impossible; Twitter is serious marketing business. You just don't understand, nobody retweets something without some form of bribery!
I suppose I don't, considering I find Twitter, as well as facebook, worthless garbage. :p


I think Smash is certainly capable of showing of the New as well as the Old. Having 1-2 recent stars (i.e. characters from successful titles or series) in a 40+ Smash roster needn't be impermissible; it would serve to better represent the breadth of Nintendo's output.

But what do I know? I'm just a kooky wabbit.

EDIT: I realize that Wonder Red is Third-Party, so the above may not be fully relevant. If Wonder Red gets in, it would be due to breakout success and high playstyle/uniqueness value.
When I think recent stars, I think someone like Shulk, someone who's REALLY made a name for themselves on Nintendo and continues to be loved for many years...I don't know if I can put Wonderful 101 in the same category as Xenoblade Chronicles.
 

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That's the thing.
I'm saying that Roy is NOT important, as his game wasn't even out yet, but he made it in.
So really a new character can very well make it.

No way I'm rooting for Roy to get a spot he doesn't deserve AGAIN.
 
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That's the thing.
I'm saying that Roy is NOT important, as his game wasn't even out yet, but he made it in.
So really a new character can very well make it.
It doesn't work the same way. Fire Emblem was already, although at the time still Japan-only, a very established Nintendo franchise, while Wonderful 101 is not only a brand new franchise, it's also a third party franchise, and that's reserved for basically the legends with strong ties to Nintendo. Sonic fits that bill, MegaMan fits that bill, hell, even Snake fits that bill....can't say the same for Wonder Red and Wonderful 101.
 
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[quote="Hotfeet444, post: 16562054, member: 220997] was thinking more along the lines of newcomers, and Roy isn't exactly that overly important to Nintendo compared to alot of the other characters waiting in the wings.
Honestly, one of the only "new" characters that I see happening (aside from the aforementioned Shulk) is Wonder-Red. It always seemed weird that Nintendo introduced a new IP without any positive reinforcement. Obviously that isn't the way to utilize a series that was mostly well-received, if I recall correctly, it didn't sell too badly either. I refuse to believe that Nintendo is ignorant enough to let that "die." Wonder-Red in Smash would be logical from my perspective. That being said, I don't necessarily find that tweet to be definitive evidence.
 
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Am I the only on who thinks that it's way too soon to have Wonder Red or anyone from Wonderful 101 to appear in an all-star crossover game? I mean, the idea is cool for a playable character, but the thing is...someone really important to Nintendo could've used that spot.
Crossovers always had being the best place to show new characters and franchises to fans :rosalina:
If nintendo thinks the series have a potential to be big they will add them, not because they are important now, but because they will.
 

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Crossovers always had being the best place to show new characters and franchises to fans :rosalina:
If nintendo thinks the series have a potential to be big they will add them, not because they are important now, but because they will.
And if all else fails, they can always just add irrelevant, unloved characters just because....
 

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Well let's take a look at something. Say we get two newcomers this coming direct, let's see what characters we have that will most likely be our newcomers:

Palutena
Takamaru
King K.Rool
Ridley
Shulk
Chrom/Fire Emblem Character

These overall are our most likely newcomers, take your pick, but pick the unexpected, for this direct could go many different ways.


If it's villains, K.Rool and Ridley are definitely choices
If it's standard, Palutena and Takamaru are most likely predictions
And in the case of a curveball, we could get someone completely different


If anything...I several different situations, but one I can definitely see if a couple of swordsmen in Chrom and Takamaru, both having alot to do with the month of April.
 

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I honestly think we'll get Krystal, Chrom, Shadow, Dixie Kong, Shulk, and Palutena as far as newcomers. (I don't care about doubts at this point)

As far as Veterans, I'm predicting Yoshi, Lucas, Ness, Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, Pokemon Trainer, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Falco, R.O.B., Ice Climbers, and Mr Game And Watch
 

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Kinda would want Layton to be revealed now if he's in at all, seing how I just got into that series.


Legitimate prediction is Isaac, though
 

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I expect a curveball newcomer in the Direct, that's just my gut feeling
What if the curve-ball is that something expected happens in the Direct?

I honestly think we'll get Krystal, Chrom, Shadow, Dixie Kong, Shulk, and Palutena as far as newcomers. (I don't care about doubts at this point)

As far as Veterans, I'm predicting Yoshi, Lucas, Ness, Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, Pokemon Trainer, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Falco, R.O.B., Ice Climbers, and Mr Game And Watch
Which Shadow? Black Shadow?
 

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Well let's take a look at something. Say we get two newcomers this coming direct, let's see what characters we have that will most likely be our newcomers:

Palutena
Takamaru
King K.Rool
Ridley
Shulk
Chrom/Fire Emblem Character

These overall are our most likely newcomers, take your pick, but pick the unexpected, for this direct could go many different ways.


If it's villains, K.Rool and Ridley are definitely choices
If it's standard, Palutena and Takamaru are most likely predictions
And in the case of a curveball, we could get someone completely different


If anything...I several different situations, but one I can definitely see if a couple of swordsmen in Chrom and Takamaru, both having alot to do with the month of April.
What if the curveball was a Fire Emblem character that wasn't Chrom?
 

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We all know the one who would hype people the most is HAWLUCHAAAAAAAAA
Give me Mewtwo first, then we'll talk.

What if the curveball was a Fire Emblem character that wasn't Chrom?
It'd be an interesting sight to see, but the likeliness of it happening is poor. Besides, the only curveball character that'd even begin to interest me would be Tiki.
 

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Give me Mewtwo first, then we'll talk.


It'd be an interesting sight to see, but the likeliness of it happening is poor. Besides, the only curveball character that'd even begin to interest me would be Tiki.
Hey, I thought you supported Robin on your roster...
 

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I'm honestly not convinced Palutena is a given. I don't know why, it just seems like it go either way. I certainly hope so, though.

Why do you guys consider her shoo-in? I kick Pacman for every time someone says "leak".
 
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I'm honestly not convinced Palutena is a given. I don't know why, it just seems like it go either way. I certainly hope so, though.

Why do you guys consider her shoo-in? I cut Pacman for every time someone says "leak".
We don't consider her a shoe-in...we consider her a likely character because this still hasn't been proven false yet:

And also because of how well Kid Icarus Uprising was received and how the fact that it's basically a character Sakurai adopted...and gave personality.
 

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Just because it's unproven doesn't mean anyone's given up. I came pretty close, but it's not enough evidence to debunk it. And there's many other reasons the Tuna is so likely.
For the Direct, I'm thinking at least one newcomer. Takamaru or Palutena is a likely given. But we're getting a whole session of Smash info, so it could be the E3 case. Even with Pokemon's super short direct we got a ton of big info.
 
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I'm honestly not convinced Palutena is a given. I don't know why, it just seems like it go either way. I certainly hope so, though.

Why do you guys consider her shoo-in? I kick Pacman for every time someone says "leak".
I already considered her the third likeliest newcomer inclusion for this game before E3, being behind Mega Man and Little Mac, which means she's now the character I deem the most likely (unless we count Mewtwo that is.) She just has all the qualities of a newcomer: She is popular, she is important, she has fighting capabilities, she has potential to be unique, she'd rep the recently revived Kid Icarus franchise, she has the whole package. Then along came the leak, and now it's just a waiting game imo.
 

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Why do you guys consider her shoo-in? I kick Pacman for every time someone says "leak".
She's not shoo-in, but a number of factors lead to it being likely. The recent importance/relevance, new game that sold well, overall franchise popularity, and seemingly less modesty from his Modestyness. And there's no better realistic newcomer other than Medusa. Magnus is practically AT material.
 
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while Wonderful 101 is not only a brand new franchise, it's also a third party franchise



......Pretty sure Nintendo owns the IP or at least has co-ownership.


W101's Credits said:
NINTENDO AND PLATINUMGAMES ARE THE AUTHORS OF THIS SOFTWARE FOR THE PURPOSE OF COPYRIGHT. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
 
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Robin's not a curveball character, he's the opposite side of the coin that Chrom's on.

It's either the Lord or the Avatar, the tradition of old or the tradition of new.
Ah, music to my ears...

Now, on the subject of Palutena, I personally thought she'd be a pretty cool addition to the Smash roster, but I didn't think that she was the highest priority of characters. She is, after all, from a series that until very recently was pretty much dead, and is still a pretty small series at that. But she was from a series that recently gained a lot of success and popularity, and the personality she was given in the game made her quite popular as well. So, I thought she could be a reasonable choice, but probably not the most likely. That was before the leak, though. A leak like that surviving a couple of days on it's own is really quite surprising, but the fact that it's gone a good few months with no solid proof of it being fake against it makes me think that the leak is legitimate.

So, not taking the leak into account, I would think she has a fair shot, but isn't a shoo in. Taking the leak into account, she seems very likely.
 
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We don't consider her a shoe-in...we consider her a likely character because this still hasn't been proven false yet:

And also because of how well Kid Icarus Uprising was received and how the fact that it's basically a character Sakurai adopted...and gave personality.
I'm surprised this hasn't been categorically disproved or rescinded by its maker, if there was one. If this isn't a leak it's an impressive fake, that's for sure. Although I imagine Palutena is a shoo-in considering her popularity around the finalization date and the fact Kid Icarus Uprising was one of the big 3DS launch window games. I'd prefer Hades or Medusa, but Palutena is far more known.
 

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Are you guys ready for Miis?
 

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Are you guys ready for Miis?
Physically, yes.
Psychologically? HELL NO.
I'm going to stay very blunt and adamant about them because of Modesty. It feels narcissistic to put oneself in a game and compare oneself to such huge icons.
I feel they will be as broken as Gizoid in Sonic Battle.
 
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Are you guys ready for Miis?
I'm probably one of the few people who would actually like to see the Miis be playable.

From my perspective, they've become heavily integrated into Nintendo since the days of the Wii, and the fact that they've expanded beyond the Wii and into the 3DS and Wii U is impressive. To me, they're iconic Nintendo figures, so I have no issue with their presence on a roster of Nintendo All-Stars.
 
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Physically, yes.
Psychologically? HELL NO.
I'm going to stay very blunt and adamant about them because of Modesty. It feels narcissistic to put oneself in a game and compare oneself to such huge icons.
I feel they will be as broken as Gizoid in Sonic Battle.
To be fair, I'm a pretty big deal.
 

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I sadly think we can't get more than two merchants. :(
Tom Nook is more deserving. But Anna would be the **** hype!
Eh, I'd argue that Anna is more deserving.
She's been around longer. More street cred. :awesome:

...

Plus with red hear she'd make a nice Roy replacement. :troll:

More people advocated for Tom Nook than Villager, not all choices will be the "popular" ones Smashboards overall does.
I'm not saying that Tom Nook will get over the most popular though, it's annoying that everytime we discuss an unpopular but plausible character that "he's not getting over Ridley and K. Rool." gets said every time.
I'm aware of that first point. I supported Tom Nook. :p I was initially a little irritated that we got Villager announced as the first Animal Crossing character and not Nook.
I didn't mean to annoy you. I apologize. Let me just expand on my thoughts here....
There comes a point where unique characters that are relatively unpopular (Unpopular in the sense that not many request them.) reach a limit. We don't necessarily know when this limit has been reached, but I find it safer it say that is has been now. The game is going to include popular characters. And I think those characters extend outside of just Little Mac, Mega Man and most likely Mewtwo. I find that, in terms of forming a full prediction roster, putting generally "'popular'" - (There's no need to quote "popular." Most of the characters popular here are overall pretty popular We're not that special, as I'm sure you know. Our overall love for Takamaru is probably the biggest thing that separates us from other English communities.) - characters will make my roster closer to that of the real final roster. It's very likely that there's going to be another character that I didn't expect, but, in the end, I'm better off not trying to guess it. Because, as Melee and Brawl have shown us with many of its character choices, popular characters are chosen. I can more easily guess out of the pool of the generally most popular characters than out of the pool of lesser popular characters since the former pool is much smaller and seemingly more likely to be picked out of. You feel me?

Animal Crossing could certainly get a second rep and I wouldn't say that it broke the limit of Animal Crossing characters. But I would say that it's a little irritating that we're not getting characters that tons of people want to see. Wii Fit Trainer is a nice character, but a lot of people want K. Rool, Ridley, Dixie, Palutena, Mewtwo, what-have-you. It's unfair to just ignore them. Though, here, I'm more referring to the reveals we've gotten thus far. I think we're going to start getting the heavy hitters in our next few reveals. Starting with the next one that will most likely be in this upcoming Direct. I suppose I don't really have much other than gut feelings for thinking that.
(Sorry about the late reply!)
 
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Physically, yes.
Psychologically? HELL NO.
I'm going to stay very blunt and adamant about them because of Modesty. It feels narcissistic to put oneself in a game and compare oneself to such huge icons.
I feel they will be as broken as Gizoid in Sonic Battle.
I still think they should just be their own character.
Heck, it's completely possible.

The main look would be the generic Mii (the brown-haired neutral faced Mii in red you see before changing anything.)
And the palette swaps could be either different shirt or the guests Miis.
 
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Look, I don't hate Miis. But I absolutely can't stand the idea of them being in Smash.
It's not the Hitler and Jesus Miis.
It's not the OP potential.

It's the fact that if Miis become included, it is inevitable that no one is going to use any other character.
All of the new characters, all the old ones that Sakurai's worked so hard on to make a diverse and appealing cast.
Abandoned in favor of Miis.

Do you guys really want that?
 
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