Character Discussion Thread

[FlareHabanero]

Is it just me or some of the characters that we want in SSB4 seem to follow "If he/she doesn't get in Smash 4, they're probably never going to get in future games"

Because we're hitting a limit and we don't know where the series will go in the future.

 

[Rockaphin]

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Suggestions?

I'm not in the mood for an argument, but I'll take suggestions.

Here are some of my suggestions:
Megaman should be lower. He was a somewhat surprise to me.
Villager, I honestly thought he would be a newcomer this time.
Bayonetta, I don't think she's too likely at all.
King K. Rool, I'd move him up a little bit.
Eevee, I don't see Eevee being playable.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Is it just me or some of the characters that we want in SSB4 seem to follow "If he/she doesn't get in Smash 4, they're probably never going to get in future games"

I think it has to do with them having been passed over or given different roles.

Shulk is a one off protagonist who isn't in the starring role of the new game coming out.

Isaac was already an AT, but I can't really comment on him otherwise. Somebody else may be able to.

Ridley was a boss twice, and this is his biggest chance. He's popular, so if he isn't chosen then it will seem that his fate has been decided.

 

[Will]

Oh,great,Sakurai brought up interesting things this week.
What's going to happen on Friday?

 

[Kenith]

It sucks that my two most wanted characters are completely disregarded here in terms of chances...

You Chrom and Tetra lovers don't know my pain...

 

[Starcutter]

Oh,great,Sakurai brought up interesting things this week.
What's going to happen on Friday?

Layton, obviously

 

[andimidna]

That brings up a good question. How ANGRY would people be when they see that Mewtwo,Ridley,Palutena,Bandana Dee,Chrom,or Takamaru weren't in?

Furious, outraged, sick with anger!: Palutena, Mewtwo
Extremely dissapointed: Ridley
Sad: Chrom, Takamaru
Happy: Bandana Dee

I have absolutely no want for such an uninteresting character.
Despite always backing up Chrom, I'd rather have Tiki, Anna, and Lucina. So I wouldn't care too much. I'm also starting to like Robin again.
I'd be fine without Takamaru if it meant Lip playable.
I don't want to be wrong about Ridley
Mewtwo needs to be in the game or fans will explode. And Palutena is my #2 most wanted.

 

[False Sense]

So, here's a question I've been wondering about lately...

How do we determine how likely a character is, exactly? There seems to be some sort of general consensus on the matter, and yet, if all these various prediction tiers are anything to go by, we all have some very different ideas on how likely certain characters are. I feel like delving into this topic could provide some rather interesting information. So, how do you personally determine how likely a character is?

 

[Starcutter]

How do we determine how likely a character is, exactly?

Fan demand and promotion. That's the closest we can get, since none of us understand sakurai.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

So, here's a question I've been wondering about lately...

How do we determine how likely a character is, exactly? There seems to be some sort of general consensus on the matter, and yet, if all these various prediction tiers are anything to go by, we all have some very different ideas on how likely certain characters are. I feel like delving into this topic could provide some rather interesting information. So, how do you personally determine how likely a character is?

It's tough to say but I would probably guess a combo of:

Popularity, series importance, number of appearances, recent pushes in advertisement...at least to name a few.

 

[Groose]

So, here's a question I've been wondering about lately...

How do we determine how likely a character is, exactly? There seems to be some sort of general consensus on the matter, and yet, if all these various prediction tiers are anything to go by, we all have some very different ideas on how likely certain characters are. I feel like delving into this topic could provide some rather interesting information. So, how do you personally determine how likely a character is?

Likelihood is an amalgam of long-term importance, recent relevancy, fan popularity, unique potential, Sakurai's comments, precedent, and roster balance. The reason everyone has differing opinions is one part human nature and one part having a different percent composition of those elements.

...I think I've covered everything.

 

[Louie G.]

A character is never truly likely or unlikely.
It's a matter of perspective. In reality they are either in or not.
If K. Rool or Ridley are given the shaft, they are as likely as Goku in the end.
If Spongebob Squarepants is added, he's as likely as Mega Man.
You never truly know, and in the end it's either 0% or 100%.

 

[andimidna]

So, here's a question I've been wondering about lately...

How do we determine how likely a character is, exactly? There seems to be some sort of general consensus on the matter, and yet, if all these various prediction tiers are anything to go by, we all have some very different ideas on how likely certain characters are. I feel like delving into this topic could provide some rather interesting information. So, how do you personally determine how likely a character is?

#importance in appearances(20-#current irrelevance) x (#popularity in series) ^2 x (#popularity relating to SSB)^2 x (# of unique abilities)^3 + (# of requests x generally perceived chance of character)

rated #s go from 2-18

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Or just which one I leik

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

A character is never truly likely or unlikely.
It's a matter of perspective. In reality they are either in or not.
If K. Rool or Ridley are given the shaft, they are as likely as Goku in the end.
If Spongebob Squarepants is added, he's as likely as Mega Man.
You never truly know, and in the end it's either 0% or 100%.

Well as far as speculation purposes, we're merely talking in a question like, "What are the chances that Ridley is going to be added as playable in Smash 4"?

That then leads to people giving reasons as to why he would be a likely addition. While yes, it is either they're in or out, we're basically speculating on the decisive processes Sakurai goes through to choose his characters.

Everything else is likely unknown.

 

[Kenith]

It's tough to say but I would probably guess a combo of:

Popularity, series importance, number of appearances, recent pushes in advertisement...at least to name a few.

I think number of appearances should be grouped with another category or excluded altogether. WFT technically had only one game when she was announced.

 

[Deleted member]

Nobody knowing what the hell retro actually applies to only further proves my point that it's a shallow label.

Which is why I don't really use it anymore.

Hell, Sakurai never even used it; that's just what people interpreted select characters as just so they can fill some "niche" in their speculation (which I admittedly am guilty of in the past).

 

[andimidna]

A character is never truly likely or unlikely.
It's a matter of perspective. In reality they are either in or not.
If K. Rool or Ridley are given the shaft, they are as likely as Goku in the end.
If Spongebob Squarepants is added, he's as likely as Mega Man.
You never truly know, and in the end it's either 0% or 100%.

I don't think the question was supposed to reflect the thoughts of people after the game's out...

 

[Louie G.]

I don't think the question was supposed to reflect the thoughts of people after the game's out...

Alright, then importance, popularity, and uniqueness to an extent.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Which is why I don't really use it anymore.

Hell, Sakurai never even used it; that's just what people interpreted select characters as just so they can fill some "niche" in their speculation (which I admittedly am guilty of in the past).

I've never believed in stuff like that to begin with.

Like for Takamaru it wasn't for the retro thing, it was because the idea of a samurai sounding rather cool.

 

[Louie G.]

What do you guys think of Chibi Robo?
He was on my roster for a little bit and I'm thinking that he's a definite possibility.

 

[Kenith]

Which is why I don't really use it anymore.

Hell, Sakurai never even used it; that's just what people interpreted select characters as just so they can fill some "niche" in their speculation (which I admittedly am guilty of in the past).

Really? Never did Sakurai use the term? Well that would have helped my argument hours ago.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Really? Never did Sakurai use the term? Well that would have helped my argument hours ago.

The closest thing would be the elimination method with the Ice Climbers, where he mentioned a bunch of characters like Balloon Fighter and Excite Biker.

He never actually gave any specific definition, any definition you'll see is purely fan theory.

 

[lobotheduck21]

What do you guys think of Chibi Robo?
He was on my roster for a little bit and I'm thinking that he's a definite possibility.

he's meh to me, the robot spector has ROB, there are like 5 adorable characters, and G&W and Villager are already item users

 

[Substitution]

Who is Scolisis?

He exists only in the space between spaces.
He exists only through the fears of others.
He exists only because you believe otherwise.
He exists only to terrorize mankind.

That, is he...

 

[Deleted member]

The closest thing would be the elimination method with the Ice Climbers, where he mentioned a bunch of characters like Balloon Fighter and Excite Biker.

He never actually gave any specific definition, any definition you'll see is purely fan theory.

To be fair, for the elimination thing, he did specify he was looking at Famicom stars.

 

[WonderSmash]

So who's the most obscure character people have been hoping for?

I want Tin Star - nothing quite as unique as a Cowboy Robot. He could be a really heavy character with medium speed abilities and six shooter range attacks

 

[shrooby]

So, here's a question I've been wondering about lately...

How do we determine how likely a character is, exactly? There seems to be some sort of general consensus on the matter, and yet, if all these various prediction tiers are anything to go by, we all have some very different ideas on how likely certain characters are. I feel like delving into this topic could provide some rather interesting information. So, how do you personally determine how likely a character is?

Popularity, potential to be unique, and recent pushes in advertisement, and recent appearances.
I personally don't include series importance like many do because, the way I see it, importance feeds popularity.
To put it more concisely, let's look at Ridley versus Rundas.
Ridley is much more important to the Metroid franchise than Rundas is. But, with the way I look at it, that directly doesn't make Ridley more likely. All importance does is make more people want Ridley (IE Make him more popular.) Ask many Ridley supporters why they support Ridley, and one of, if not their first answer will be something that ultimately translates to "He's very important to the Metroid franchise."
Rundas, on the other hand, isn't as important, and less people want him.
In both cases, importance correlates with popularity. And popularity correlates with likeliness. But the direct correlation between importance and likeliness is more faded since importance is just one factor of many that feeds popularity...If any of that makes any sense...

 

[Zhadgon]

So who's the most obscure character people have been hoping for?

I want Tin Star - nothing quite as unique as a Cowboy Robot. He could be a really heavy character with medium speed abilities and six shooter range attacks

Harry from Teleroboxer, is a big robot that box and is from the Virtual Boy. Remember the story from the movie Real Steel, well is the same exact tale but with Harry, quiet interesting that Nintendo made this character years before the movie, anyway he will be my choice.

.n_n.

 

[Starcutter]

Anyone else expecting a reveal of some kind tonight?

 

[Deleted member]

Anyone else expecting a reveal of some kind tonight?

If there is no character reveal tonight, I will be Jack Black.

However...if there is a character reveal, I will be Snake.

Its the spirit!

 

[Glyphoscythe]

Since I just recently finished watching the F-Zero anime, I'm going to haphazardly guess that Capn' Falcon will be the next vet reveal. As for what gets revealed tonight? Eh, I dunno. Gogoat in some form or another. No reason.

Although in all seriousness, we need some F-Zero action in this game soon. Be it stage, item, character, etc. I'm curious to see what tweaks the falcon punch will get.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

SMASH DIRECT NEXT WEEK.

Prepare thyselves. I KNEW there was a reason for that wait. I KNEW IT.

IF THE CAPS AREN't TELLING YOU HOW EXCITED I AM, THEN NOTHING WILL. EXCEPT THAT ONE ACCIDENTAL LOWER CASE T.

 

[Gune]

Isabelle deconfirmed, no one tell hotfeet.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

I want Chrom or Palutena to see the light of Day!!!!!

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

SMASH DIRECT NEXT WEEK.

Prepare thyselves. I KNEW there was a reason for that wait. I KNEW IT.

IF THE CAPS AREN't TELLING YOU HOW EXCITED I AM, THEN NOTHING WILL. EXCEPT THAT ONE THAT ACCIDENTAL LOWER CASE T.

I know it's a long shot, but I kinda want to see Snake and/or Mewtwo revealed in that direct...

I guess it would be better for E3, though. Then again, Mac was shown in a regular direct, and he was pretty hype worthy. (for me at least)

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[Scoliosis Jones]

I know it's a long shot, but I kinda want to see Snake and/or Mewtwo revealed in that direct...

I guess it would be better for E3, though. Then again, Mac was shown in a regular direct, and he was pretty hype worthy. (for me at least)

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I think this will be E3 tier though. We might get more than just one newcomer if it's Smash specific. I'm thinking we could even get a release date now.

Character wise, my guess is 2-3 newcomers, and a couple of vets, and then Snake. (My hype is in maximum overdrive, give me a break!)

 

[Rockaphin]

Isabelle confirmed as Assist Trophy! This makes me wonder. . . Tom Nook has yet to be seen in any of the Animal Crossing stages. I don't think Animal Crossing will get more than two assist trophies assuming Resetti returns. Will Tom Nook really become playable?!
Hype for the upcoming Smash Direct!

 

[Arcanir]

Based on the Developer's Direct, I'm assuming Sakurai will take the time to focus on the characters already revealed, what moveset changes there are, and how the stages and items work. After that, we'll probably get a newcomer or two, maybe a veteran alongside them as well.

As for who, that's going to be fun to see!

 

[AustarusIV]

Isabelle confirmed as Assist Trophy! This makes me wonder. . . Tom Nook has yet to be seen in any of the Animal Crossing stages. I don't think Animal Crossing will get more than two assist trophies assuming Resetti returns. Will Tom Nook really become playable?!
Hype for the upcoming Smash Direct!

I seriously doubt it. Why would Animal Crossing, a series that Sakurai once explicitly described as being "too peaceful" for Smash, suddenly get two reps for its debut? And whatever Tom Nook can do as a playable character, so could the Villager.

Anyways, holy cow! I seriously hope Ridley and Palutena are going to be the newcomers announced in this Direct. It's long overdue that their respective stages get their main stars.

 

[Arcanir]

Anyways, holy cow! I seriously hope Ridley and Palutena are going to be the newcomers announced in this Direct. It's long overdue that their respective stages get their main stars.

Thinking about it, I think those two are good options for this direct. The time for this direct is again pretty early in Japan, the last time that happened we got a more western wanted character in Little Mac. Theoretically, if they're trying to appeal to the western audiences again, we could get another one next week like Ridley, Isaac or even Krystal. Another option would be that, due to this being a more focused direct, is to opt for a newcomer that's extremely popular all over as it would be a great way to sell it, so options like Palutena are strong possibilities as well. I could easily see one or the other (or even both if they go for more) next week depending on how they want to market the direct.