Character Discussion Thread

[Gunla]

So how 'bout dat Olimar?

One on one menace. If they nerf his Pikmin count he's going to low tier.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

So how 'bout dat Olimar?

Well, he is awesome for being from my favorite childhood game. (Pikmin 2 <3)

Don't know how I would feel if he was reduced to three Pikmin since I don't use him that often. Might be able to still be good with some changes to how his moves work.

 

[Substitution]

One on one menace. If they nerf his Pikmin count he's going to low tier.

I hope not.
It'd be sad to see him go down the tiers.
Especially after that triumph in Brawl.

 

[Bowserlick]

Mach Rider as a mounted character would be pretty badass.

Wario's bike could always be changed to his purple corvette from Mariokart if necessary.
In fact, Wario should have a chargeable shoulder bash for B, his corvette for side B, and his bite for his forward Smash.

 

[Kenith]

To continue, let's say I use the "Smash Bros" definition of a retro character. Now, I personally consider Assist Trophies to be almost as important in these discussions as regular characters. They still have to be unique, prominent, and not over-represent their series.

By this definition, Little Mac has gotten a revival, as he was an Assist Trophy in Brawl. It counts. It was the most importance he got since his SNES days, as Captain Rainbow was released a year later.

 

[andimidna]

Tingle is probably the most likely, though with Sakurai you never know. Of course the one I want the most is the Happy Mask Salesman.




Over half the roster confirmed to be retro reps.

Remember the context of Smash Bros.

Unlike pretty much everybody on SmashBoards, I've recently started thinking Ghirahim is the most likely.
(I used to think it was Impa)

 

[Substitution]

Mach Rider as a mounted character would be pretty badass.

That would be awesome.

And not to mention it would make him unique among the cast.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I'm sorry, I didn't know you could use language incorrectly because you made a game.

You take things way too seriously, using language incorrectly? Do you know this thing called lingo? Did you know that language is a constantly changing and adapting thing? The word gay meant happy, once upon a time. If you get an extra life in a game, are you literally getting an extra life, or another chance? Think.

Palutena is completely different from Little Mac, and you know that. She is popular because of the new Kid Icarus. Little Mac is not popular because "Little Mac" otherwise he would just be a generic underdog boxer.

According to you, Palutena is a retro rep because she's old, and that's clearly why people want her, to be a retro rep, which we seemingly have five or six of.

Well, why would you want an old and dead character?

I had to have said the word revival at least more than ten times by now, ah wait-

Besides, I personally feel any representation of the character in Smash Bros counts as revival, or it counts as none.

Yes, Rosalina, Wii Fit Trainer, and Villager needed to be revived clearly.

 

[Gunla]

I hope not.
It'd be sad to see him go down the tiers.
Especially after that triumph in Brawl.

It made my Falco matchups fun. That was until Meta Knight came along and trolled everyone. I somehow doubt that the matchups are that much in the Knight's favor... at least not likely this game.

 

[Bowserlick]

I think this game is going to be heavily character based as in a representation of different fighting styles and mechanics.

Sakurai may be more inclined to include Eastern, Western, or unheard of characters if their playstyle can be really interesting.

 

[Substitution]

It made my Falco matchups fun. That was until Meta Knight came along and trolled everyone. I somehow doubt that the matchups are that much in the Knight's favor... at least not likely this game.

That's the power of Meta Knight's brokenness to you.

But here's hoping we don't get another tier-dominating character.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Also speaking of Olimar, I wished the Winged Pikmin were useable in smash. Certainly my favorite type of Pikmin. <3
I guess the White Pikmin will do...

 

[Will]

I can just imagine Sakurai making a guest visit at E3 with a translator with a line of 7-11 year olds asking for Goku.

 

[Gunla]

That's the power of Meta Knight's brokenness to you.

But here's hoping we don't get another tier-dominating character.

I wouldn't be surprised. We'll likely see the high tiers start up with Bowser and DK (as that's how they are in all balancing from what the developers are saying) and then they fall to something else. Like Mac or Rosetta. (specifically Rosetta. Puppeteers often are hard to use but great matchup characters. Before Kokonoe wrecked BB, Carl was doing exceptionally well at CP's debut.)

 

[Kenith]

You take things way too seriously, using language incorrectly? Do you know this thing called lingo? Did you know that language is a constantly changing and adapting thing? The word gay meant happy, once upon a time. If you get an extra life in a game, are you literally getting an extra life, or another chance? Think.

You...you're really telling me I'm too serious? Wow.

Ha! You're comparing a widely used word to a very exclusive term only we use. A word that people were actively debating the meaning and application of when I said that.

According to you, Palutena is a retro rep because she's old, and that's clearly why people want her, to be a retro rep, which we seemingly have five or six of. Yes, Rosalina, Wii Fit Trainer, and Villager needed to be revived clearly.

When did I ever say that? At all? I was referring to Little Mac specifically and I am continuing to do so.

Please, at least try to actually read what I saying and not just the words.

 

[shrooby]

I can just imagine Sakurai making a guest visit at E3 with a translator with a line of 7-11 year olds asking for Goku.

Well then I suppose it's good news that you have to be 18 or older to attend E3!

 

[Substitution]

I wouldn't be surprised. We'll likely see the high tiers start up with Bowser and DK (as that's how they are in all balancing from what the developers are saying) and then they fall to something else. Like Mac or Rosetta.

Here's how I see it.
Bowser will be high, then fall to mid-high.

Megaman will be stuck around mid-tier for sometime, and might go up.
Provided reflectors aren't an issue.

Little Mac will probably be our Melee Mario.
Good, but not great.

Rosalina will be our Olimar (being mid then rising up to high).

Villager I see as hovering between mid-high and mid-low.

WFT/HFT I bet will be somewhere high up in the tiers.

 

[FlareHabanero]

When it comes to tier lists, the only guarantees I will say is that Rosalina & Luma and Ice Climbers are going to be high tier by virtue of their gimmick.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Well then I suppose it's good news that you have to be 18 or older to attend E3!

Tell me about it! I was at E3 last year, and I was exactly the age of 18.

 

[JamesDNaux]

You...you're really telling me I'm too serious? Wow.

Ha! You're comparing a widely used word to a very exclusive term only we use. A word that people were actively debating the meaning and application of when I said that.

...How?

We use the term retro to refer to specific characters, it's our lingo.You're the one who came in with the definition of the word retro trying to apply it to Little Mac.

 

[Substitution]

Well then I suppose it's good news that you have to be 18 or older to attend E3!

Eh, I'll just wait till footage is on Youtube.

 

[Kenith]

...How?

We use the term retro to refer to specific characters, it's our lingo.You're the one who came in with the definition of the word retro trying to apply it to Little Mac.

...Do you even understand what I'm saying? I didn't come up with that definition, it's an official definition.

The reason I brought it up in the first place is because people were discussing the criteria of being retro. So clearly, even within this community, this is not someone unanimously agreed on.

 

[JamesDNaux]

...Do you even understand what I'm saying? I didn't come up with that definition, it's an official definition.

I never said you came up with it, you tried to apply the actual definition of a word to the lingo.

the special language used for a particular activity or by a particular group of people

In the case of Smash Bros, retro refers to a character who is old and from a dead franchise that needs revival. So the actual definition is wrong here.

If you insist on speaking literally, then instead of the word retro, we'll say "a character from an old and dead franchise that needs revival." Do you see why applying the word retro with it's own special meaning fits here? A single word is a lot easier to say or type than a whole damn sentence.

 

[shrooby]

Tell me about it! I was at E3 last year, and I was exactly the age of 18.

I was supposed to go to E3 the past TWO years, but things led to other things and I was unable to.
THIS year, however, I will not let things come up! I'm am going to hopefully play a Smash4 demo, darn it!

 

[Spazzy_D]

I consider a retro character any character from the 8 or 16 bit era that doesn't have a modern redesign and hasn't been in a game since the 16 bit gen. That's just my personal definition, though.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Concerning the use of the term Retro, it seems evident to me that it's most commonly employed in a purely vernacular context. Which is to say, it is a label specifically used in the context of character roster discussion and speculation to categorize certain characters (or playable candidates).

In such a context, I (and in my observation, many others) employ the term Retro to refer to any character who, prior to their Smash inclusion:

A) Had not had a direct continuation of their franchise since the last time they were current (e.g. two or more Generations of gaming past the last actual title in the given franchise);

B) Originated in earlier generations relative to the current era (e.g. NES, SNES, GB).

Melee's "Retro" character would be the Ice Climbers, as they had not had direct continuation of their franchise since the original Ice Climber game in 1985 on the NES.

Brawl's "Retro" character would be Pit, as his franchise (Kid Icarus) had not had direct continuation before his inclusion in Brawl (2008).

Ice Climbers and Pit continue to be the Retro character of Melee and Brawl respectively, even with the latter's post-Brawl franchise revival (via Uprising). Also, such Retro characters are not to be confused with Historical characters (another Smash-vernacular label), who consist of characters who have stronger ties to the business/hardware/etc. aspect of Nintendo's history, as opposed to the software/gaming/etc. aspect (GW as the mascot of the GW handheld line, R.O.B. as an important accessory in Nintendo history).

Little Mac cannot be considered the Retro character for SSB4, as his franchise (Punch-Out!!) has received direct continuation pre-SSB4 via the 2009 Wii Punch-Out remake/revival.

Takamaru, Mach Rider, Sable, and others who currently respond to the A-B criteria can be considered Retro candidates for SSB4. Cameos, easter eggs, and/or references and allusions in other games don't serve to remove the Retro label from these candidates.

It should also be noted that the above definitions apply solely in the Smash(boards)-specific vernacular usage of the term Retro. Outside the context of Smashboards roster discussion and speculation, the term may or may not have any objective applications, whether in Sakurai's mind or elsewhere.

In the almost-two-months since I have joined, the above constitutes my observation on how the term Retro is used around these parts, and is a definition I have adopted.

 

[Rockaphin]

So how 'bout dat Olimar?

Needs

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and this

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[Substitution]

Needs

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and this

Spoiler

Don't forget the President as an alternate costume.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Nobody knowing what the hell retro actually applies to only further proves my point that it's a shallow label.

 

[Kenith]

Sigh...This is why I hate discussing retro characters.

Blablablabalapfffffffffffftkenithisstupid

Well, I know what I said. I don't you do though, so it's pointless to carry on.

I think this game is going to be heavily character based as in a representation of different fighting styles and mechanics.
Sakurai may be more inclined to include Eastern, Western, or unheard of characters if their playstyle can be really interesting.

I believe Groose said something like this a while back, to the effect of "what came first, Rosalina's fighting style, or the character?"
I am certain that this is how certain characters are decided. Especially Rosalina. Though I think that most characters usually come before their fighting styles are created.

Unlike pretty much everybody on SmashBoards, I've recently started thinking Ghirahim is the most likely.
(I used to think it was Impa)

Considering you said that you thought a new Zelda character was 60% likely, and that you consider Ghirahim to be the most likely, you are really setting yourself up for disappointment. I love Ghirahim, but usually the others are right about his chances.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think this game is going to be heavily character based as in a representation of different fighting styles and mechanics.

Sakurai may be more inclined to include Eastern, Western, or unheard of characters if their playstyle can be really interesting.

Which is why in a regional sense Layton is a must have character.

 

[andimidna]

Sigh...This is why I hate discussing retro characters.


Well, I know what I said. I don't you do though, so it's pointless to carry on.



I believe Groose said something like this a while back, to the effect of "what came first, Rosalina's fighting style, or the character?"
I am certain that this is how certain characters are decided. Especially Rosalina. Though I think that most characters usually come before their fighting styles are created.



Considering you said that you thought a new Zelda character was 60% likely, and that you consider Ghirahim to be the most likely, you are really setting yourself up for disappointment. I love Ghirahim, but usually the others are right about his chances.

He's the most requested character from a series I think is slightly more likely than not to get a newcomer...
People don't give him enough credit here.

 

[Will]

Retro can mean many things in a certan way. "I'm retro,bro." Look at these retro sunglasses bro,1987."
"Bro,Robocop is such a retro movie bro!"

 

[SuperBrawler]

If the Winged and Rock Pikmin were in Smash, how would they work?

 

[Will]

If the Winged and Rock Pikmin were in Smash, how would they work?

Winged Pikmin take on Aerial flights,then fall back down,and the Rock Pikmin has a metoer smash effect?

 

[BluePikmin11]

If the Winged and Rock Pikmin were in Smash, how would they work?

Flying Pikmin would be a slow moving homing attack since they can fly, and Rock Pikmin would fly like Yellow Pikmin and then come crashing down the ground when they reach their highest air point.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If the Winged and Rock Pikmin were in Smash, how would they work?

Well, Rock Pikmin would be redundant with Purple Pikmin for starters. Pink Pikmin would probably give Pikmin Chain a stronger jump, or alternatively function more akin to a boomerang when thrown.

 

[Deleted member]

Considering you said that you thought a new Zelda character was 60% likely, and that you consider Ghirahim to be the most likely, you are really setting yourself up for disappointment. I love Ghirahim, but usually the others are right about his chances.

Aren't we all setting ourselves up to be disappointed?

 

[Kenith]

He's the most requested character from a series I think is slightly more likely than not to get a newcomer...
People don't give him enough credit here.

I don't think he's universally the most requested Zelda character. Unfortunately, that would be either

Spoiler

or

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Unfortunately.

Nobody knowing what the hell retro actually applies to only further proves my point that it's a shallow label.

I'm pretty sure that's the entire point I was making. Unless I am reading you wrong.

I just don't want to discuss it anymore.

 

[AEMehr]

Voice Actor Reuben Langdon has claimed that he voices Raiden (Metal Gear Solid franchise) in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS.
Langdon is known for voicing Ken Masters (Street Fighter) and Dante (Devil May Cry).

HMMM

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