Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Is Zael second party or first party?

I would say 2nd because of Mistwalker.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Is Zael second party or first party?

I know for a fact Pandora's Tower and Xenoblade are owned by Nintendo, and I'm fairly certain they own the rights to Last Story (and therefore Zael).

 

[Deleted member]

Though to note, "2nd Party" doesn't technically exist either, though it's commonly (and reasonably) used to refer to companies that aren't owned by the in-house (in this case, Nintendo) yet contribute to and/or partially own the in-house's IP (example: GameFreak).

 

[BluePikmin11]

Great now I have keep that ^ in mind.

 

[DraginHikari]

Mistwalker has developed games for other consoles in the past. Nintendo was just the publisher in JP and EU with Xseed involved with the release of the NA version. I assume this means that Mistalker still owns the IP related to the Last Story but I may be wrong.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Mistwalker has developed games for other consoles in the past. Nintendo was just the publisher in JP and EU with Xseed involved with the release of the NA version. I assume this means that Mistalker still owns the IP related to the Last Story but I may be wrong.

Everywhere I look I see people talking about how Nintendo funded and helped develop the game, and how they actually own the IP (which wouldn't be odd, publishers often retain IP rights, look at Bayonetta being owned by Sega and not Platinum, for example.... or even Treasure and Nintendo with Sin and Punishment) I can't find any actual source stating this, though.

 

[AEMehr]

<-- #teamreallygoodfake

SO THEN IT'S PSUEDO PALUTENA IN THE LEAK?!? Say WHAAAAT??

 

[Substitution]

SO THEN IT'S PSUEDO PALUTENA IN THE LEAK?!? Say WHAAAAT??

Sounds about right.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

This is just pure speculation but I think Pikachu's thunder will only be a meteor smash if the character only touches the tip of the lightning, in other words, it seems to work as before if you hit the side of the thunder.

Unless they completely changed it for whatever reason I think you can kill both in the ceiling and meteor smashing.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

People are making tier lists?


Yay I started a trend!

Sorry, Mario had already said that "Tiers 4 R Queers!"

 

[Knight Dude]

This is just pure speculation but I think Pikachu's thunder will only be a meteor smash if the character only touches the tip of the lightning, in other words, it seems to work as before if you hit the side of the thunder.

Unless they completely changed it for whatever reason I think you can kill both in the ceiling and meteor smashing.

Well, that was from much earlier in development. So there's definitely a chance it was changed so that it only spikes enemies downward. But I have a feeling that you could be right. Pikachu's Thunder might need to hit a sweet spot in order spike.

 

[andimidna]

I now think it would be really awesome to see the Tactician in Smash Bros... As a Tactician.
Just imagine... He controls characters. It could be just like the Pokemon Trainer.
Before the match, you have to choose 3 out of the choices of units.
And for your benefit, you would generally pick characters that wield different weapons.
Robin or a generic Tactician design would be in the background moving like he's controlling the characters movements.
Only 3 out of the choices can be taken in per battle.
This is about as true to Fire Emblem as you can get to choosing a rep from the series.
Like PT, Tactician wouldn't fight. That's not his job, giving orders is.
The cast the character could choose could include SOME of the following:
Tacticians control lords...
Chrom & Lucina
Roy
Leif
Lyndis
Eliwood
Hector
Seliph
Ephraim & Eirika
And they also control the supporting characters...
Anna
Tiki
Tharja
Micaiah
Lissa

Implementing all of them seems unrealistic. However the gimmick is the Tactician himself, Seliph and Roy with the same moveset, or Micaiah and Tharja with the same moveset, Or Chrom & Lucina and Ephraim & Eirika with the same moveset wouldn't matter. It just means it would be poor strategy to take both units/ pairs of units.
Fire Emblem is a strategy game.
This seems so true to the game, even though I just started considering it... The idea is already in my top most wanted characters.
Tactician could be considered the main character of the series, easily.
And this is what he does.
There are many requested and deserving Fire emblem characters.. To pass up on certain ones would be a missed opportunity.

Have others already suggested this?
Seems like most people just want Robin as a Mage.

 

[JamesDNaux]

So, I was wondering if I could get some input for my roster, seeing as (some of) you guys know your stuff, I took Krystal off and now I need a replacement.

I'm not going to add Isaac or Saki, since I think Mac is the only assist upgrade, and no Dixie since I've settled on only one DK newcomer. Any ideas?

 

[Substitution]

So, I was wondering if I could get some input for my roster, seeing as (some of) you guys know your stuff, I took Krystal off and now I need a replacement.

I'm not going to add Isaac or Saki, since I think Mac is the only assist upgrade, and no Dixie since I've settled on only one DK newcomer. Any ideas?

I'd say add a retro rep.
This is Sakurai we're talking about. He's bound to bring in someone we've never heard of (or at least, never considered).

 

[JamesDNaux]

I'd say add a retro rep.

Already have Takamaru and Lip.

He's bound to bring in someone we've never heard of (or at least, never considered).

Wii Fit Trainer.

I'm honestly thinking of just going with a Zelda newcomer, but that's really tricky to guess.

 

[Substitution]

Already have Takamaru and Lip.

Wii Fit Trainer.

I'm honestly thinking of just going with a Zelda newcomer, but that's really tricky to guess.

Implying we can't have another oddball rep.

But, if anything.
I'd consider a new franchise all together.
Maybe one from the Eshop.

 

[Deleted member]

So, I was wondering if I could get some input for my roster, seeing as (some of) you guys know your stuff, I took Krystal off and now I need a replacement.

I'm not going to add Isaac or Saki, since I think Mac is the only assist upgrade, and no Dixie since I've settled on only one DK newcomer. Any ideas?

Great roster.

Tingle/Gihrahim I hink would be a good addition. Whichever one you prefer.

 

[AEMehr]

So, I was wondering if I could get some input for my roster, seeing as (some of) you guys know your stuff, I took Krystal off and now I need a replacement.

I'm not going to add Isaac or Saki, since I think Mac is the only assist upgrade, and no Dixie since I've settled on only one DK newcomer. Any ideas?

Hmm....

STier ​

Essentially, these characters are basically a given.​

ATier ​

While not completely obvious, these characters certainly have an amazing resume. They certainly would fit in the game perfectly, even if not everybody is interested in seeing them.​

BTier​

These guys sort of fill in the blanks of what's left that's really "necessary". They also have very nice resumes as well, but they can't really compare to the above two rows. The game would be more or less fine without these guys in it, but they'd certainly be welcome additions!​

CTier​

This tier is filled with more of the "would be nice, but not incredibly necessary" cast. Several of these characters can also appear in place of some characters in the BTier, but they aren't as likely for various reasons.​

DTier​

Here, we have pretty much anyone with a fairly below average chance. This is more of a compilation of anybody that's left with a decent chance at being playable, even if some are arguably a whole lot more likely than others.​

ETier​

I dunno what to say. It's an ETier, what do you make of it?
​

THE CHART DEMANDS BLACK SHADOW OR ZELDA CHARACTER.

this is my advice

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

So, I was wondering if I could get some input for my roster, seeing as (some of) you guys know your stuff, I took Krystal off and now I need a replacement.

I'm not going to add Isaac or Saki, since I think Mac is the only assist upgrade, and no Dixie since I've settled on only one DK newcomer. Any ideas?

Mii.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So just because he revealed a WTF character early doesn't mean there won't be anymore surprises.

@ JamesDNaux I would probably suggest Mii. But looks like you have on the player icon already??

 

[JamesDNaux]

Implying we can't have another oddball rep.

See, this is the problem, he adds one oddball rep and suddenly people think we're going to get five more. Admittedly, my line of thinking for Krystal was that Rosalina was her ticket in, though I've since thought that over, which is why I'm looking for a replacement. Even going by past games, if you count Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. as the oddballs, they were still the only ones for Melee and Brawl respectively, we just got our oddball character early this time.

Great roster.

Tingle/Gihrahim I hink would be a good addition. Whichever one you prefer.

I highly doubt a one-off character will ever make the cut, so I'm honestly leaning towards Tingle. Though I'd rather avoid a Zelda rep entirely.

Hmm....

THE CHART DEMANDS BLACK SHADOW OR ZELDA CHARACTER.

this is my advice

Mentioned the Zelda rep already, but I seriously doubt a second F-Zero character. Though Black Shadow is better than Goroh at least.

Mii.

@ JamesDNaux I would probably suggest Mii. But looks like you have on the player icon already??

As mentioned by Mr. Pikmin here, Miis are already clearly there.

 

[False Sense]

So, I was wondering if I could get some input for my roster, seeing as (some of) you guys know your stuff, I took Krystal off and now I need a replacement.

I'm not going to add Isaac or Saki, since I think Mac is the only assist upgrade, and no Dixie since I've settled on only one DK newcomer. Any ideas?

My personal recommendation would be a Zelda newcomer, perhaps Tetra. You mentioned that youd'd like to avoid a Zelda newcomer, but since you have that free space, and since there are some good character choices from the Zelda franchise, why not add one?

 

[Tepig2000]

So, I was wondering if I could get some input for my roster, seeing as (some of) you guys know your stuff, I took Krystal off and now I need a replacement.

I'm not going to add Isaac or Saki, since I think Mac is the only assist upgrade, and no Dixie since I've settled on only one DK newcomer. Any ideas?

What about Bandana Dee?

 

[Starcutter]

So, I was wondering if I could get some input for my roster, seeing as (some of) you guys know your stuff, I took Krystal off and now I need a replacement.

I'm not going to add Isaac or Saki, since I think Mac is the only assist upgrade, and no Dixie since I've settled on only one DK newcomer. Any ideas?

 

[BluePikmin11]

So do you guys think that Miis will get their own slot? Or will they be selected from the player icons like JamesDNaux's? I think the former is more likely.

 

[JamesDNaux]

My personal recommendation would be a Zelda newcomer, perhaps Tetra. You mentioned that youd'd like to avoid a Zelda newcomer, but since you have that free space, and since there are some good character choices from the Zelda franchise, why not add one?

See the bolded, I don't want to add one because Zelda is a rare case of multiple actually plausible characters to chose from, and no matter who you pick, you're going to be wrong with someone. It's just incredibly hard to chose when there are so many options, though I genuinely don't think we'll get anyone.

What about Bandana Dee?

I'm staying away from that can of worms.
@ Starcutter
You're right, I'll just add Krystal back.

So do you guys think that Miis will get their own slot? Or will they be selected from the player icons like JamesDNaux's? I think the former is more likely.

I don't think Sakurai is going to add Miis just for the sake of adding them, he would go all out and make them customize-able, which wouldn't really work as a slot on the roster, hence my placement of them next to the names, which were used to select your custom controls. Just seems like the place for a custom option.

You know, maybe I could add Prince Sable to my roster, he seems to be the hip new choice among leakers.

 

[False Sense]

See the bolded, I don't want to add one because Zelda is a rare case of multiple actually plausible characters to chose from, and no matter who you pick, you're going to be wrong with someone. It's just incredibly hard to chose when there are so many options, though I genuinely don't think we'll get anyone.

I'm staying away from that can of worms.
@ Starcutter
You're right, I'll just add Krystal back.

Couldn't the same have been said about the Mario series? Those Toad/Bowser Jr./Waluigi/Paper Mario fans seemed kind of ticked off when Rosalina popped up.

 

[BluePikmin11]

You know, maybe I could add Prince Sable to my roster, he seems to be the hip new choice among leakers.

Up to you then.

Couldn't the same have been said about the Mario series? Those Toad/Bowser Jr./Waluigi/Paper Mario fans seemed kind of ticked off when Rosalina popped up.

What can you pull off from Tingle that would make him very unique then? That's what I would like to know.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Couldn't the same have been said about the Mario series? Those Toad/Bowser Jr./Waluigi/Paper Mario fans seemed kind of ticked off when Rosalina popped up.

I think that rather of helps my point, people all thought those characters were the obvious choices for a Mario rep and then bam, Rosalina. Going by that logic, we wouldn't get Tingle, Toon Zelda, Vaati, or Ghirahim, but who would be Zelda's "Rosalina?" I'm still of the opinion that we aren't getting a new Zelda character, since we seem to be getting quite the few items from the series, almost like they're making up for the lack of a character. Technically, Zelda and Mario are even with reps now when you count Sheik. I'm leaning towards another new series rep, it is possible to get a second assist upgrade too...

 

[Oniric Spriter]

Well, that was from much earlier in development. So there's definitely a chance it was changed so that it only spikes enemies downward. But I have a feeling that you could be right. Pikachu's Thunder might need to hit a sweet spot in order spike.

I could be wrong but I find it more reasonable than a spike by just scratching one frame of a long animation.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I think that rather of helps my point, people all thought those characters were the obvious choices for a Mario rep and then bam, Rosalina. Going by that logic, we wouldn't get Tingle, Toon Zelda, Vaati, or Ghirahim, but who would be Zelda's "Rosalina?" I'm still of the opinion that we aren't getting a new Zelda character, since we seem to be getting quite the few items from the series, almost like they're making up for the lack of a character. Technically, Zelda and Mario are even with reps now when you count Sheik. I'm leaning towards another new series rep, it is possible to get a second assist upgrade too...

I was thinking maybe Toon Zelda/Tetra would be Zelda's Rosalina, but you said already you don't think she'll be in.

 

[andimidna]

See, this is the problem, he adds one oddball rep and suddenly people think we're going to get five more. Admittedly, my line of thinking for Krystal was that Rosalina was her ticket in, though I've since thought that over, which is why I'm looking for a replacement. Even going by past games, if you count Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. as the oddballs, they were still the only ones for Melee and Brawl respectively, we just got our oddball character early this time.

I highly doubt a one-off character will ever make the cut, so I'm honestly leaning towards Tingle. Though I'd rather avoid a Zelda rep entirely.

Mentioned the Zelda rep already, but I seriously doubt a second F-Zero character. Though Black Shadow is better than Goroh at least.


As mentioned by Mr. Pikmin here, Miis are already clearly there.

Well from Zelda we have Sheik.
Plus there's Roy, Ness, and Lucas.
So... What?

 

[FalKoopa]

I'm not too sure about the chances of a Zelda newcomer, but I think it will definitely be someone from the Toon Link games - Tingle and Toon Zelda/Tetra seem likely.

Toon Zelda/Tetra is a dilemma. On one hand they seem easy additions that are reasonably popular, but their inclusion would bump up the number of Zelda characters to seven, which the Zelda series doesn't deserve to be frank. So imo Tingle, despite his unpopularity would be a better choice.

 

[False Sense]

I'm not too sure about the chances of a Zelda newcomer, but I think it will definitely be someone from the Toon Link games - Tingle and Toon Zelda/Tetra seem likely.

Toon Zelda/Tetra is a dilemma. On one hand they seem easy additions that are reasonably popular, but their inclusion would bump up the number of Zelda characters to seven, which the Zelda series doesn't deserve to be frank. So imo Tingle, despite his unpopularity would be a better choice.

Well, there is the possibility of Tetra being in solo. That would be my personal choice for a 5th Zelda character, as it rounds out the Zelda roster while providing us with one, unique character.

 

[Knight Dude]

Eh, I'm not really sure if anyone from Zelda has that great of a chance. Then again, Toon Zelda was almost a thing. I'd probably go for Vaati myself, he's got enough going for him to be unique, what with all the wind powers and all. But overall, I'd much prefer to see a buffed/further de-cloned Ganondorf than anything else right now.

So, how about that F-Zero? Not sure if it was mentioned recently. But I think that Goroh has more going for him than the rest. But Black Shadow is the cooler character.

 

[Deleted member]

It may be just me, but I don't really see Lip as a "retro", at least by what standards were made for the niche back in Melee.

....as in NES/Famicom.
As well as anything before that, such as the Game & Watch (though I see his case being much different) or pre-Famicom Arcade.

Panel de Pon, or Puzzle League as it's localized as, debuted on the Super NES/Famicom. The franchise is also far from extinct, having games since the Americanized Pokémon versions in 2000 on the Gamecube (Nintendo Puzzle Collection; Yoshi's Cookie and Dr. Mario are also featured in this), the GBA (Dr. Mario & Puzzle League), the DS (Planet Puzzle League), and the DSi (Puzzle League Express), the latest title from 2009.
Yes, Lip and the other fairies have been faded out of the franchise since the GBA game aside from a cameo here or there, but saying she's "retro" would be saying Geno from Super Mario RPG is a "retro" just because he hadn't been in a Mario game aside from a cameo in M&L Superstar Saga since his debut.

 

[Kenith]

I personally still see Little Mac as a retro. But that's just me. The reason I see it that way is that his appeal still largely stems from his NES popularity, and the fact that he did appear in Brawl before this game, although he wasn't playable.

 

[andimidna]

I just hope it's not a toon character... we got one last game.

I personally still see Little Mac as a retro. But that's just me. The reason I see it that way is that his appeal still largely stems from his NES popularity, and the fact that he did appear in Brawl before this game, although he wasn't playable.

Do you consider Pit a retro? (just curious)

 

[Gunla]

I consider Lip a pseudo-Retro: She herself has faded from the spotlight, but her series persists on.
It's a gray area.

 

[Louie G.]

I personally still see Little Mac as a retro. But that's just me. The reason I see it that way is that his appeal still largely stems from his NES popularity, and the fact that he did appear in Brawl before this game, although he wasn't playable.

Little Mac's design and interpretation in Smash 4 is largely based off of Punch Out Wii.
It's like saying Pac-Man is a retro.