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IsmaR said:
2001 - "I think a blue-haired swordsman can be very unique."

2007 - "Another one with a very different style could be cool if done right."

2014 - "The only way to make them unique anymore is to pair them together. That way we get more blue hair, more sword."
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Too much blue hair? IMPOSSIBLE!

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Tiers go by rows.
SS: 95%+ I seriously cannot see the final roster not having both of them.
S+: 75%+ Dixie was planned for Brawl and came back, Chrom is the most recent lord and most popular pick for FE, Xenoblade got huge after one game, there will be a new retro always.
S: 60%+ Pac-Man is the next most iconic 3rd party, Ridley is the next most iconic 1st party, and sadly Miis are also very prevalant.
A: 40%+ Lucina is so high as she might be paired with Chrom and is popular in Japan, Golden Sun is important enough, Panel De Pon has already been referenced multiple times, she's plenty unique and old enough to be considered retro, the most requested and most popular-recent character from Zelda like what happened with Sheik, a very important part of Fire Emblem, the Tactician, Robin is the main face of this, Tetra because of the remake, Sin and Punishment has 2 games, Nintendo is on a Cranky-high right now for some reason.
A-: 25%+ Anna is arguably the icon of the series, not Marth, for being in every game in multiple roles, King K Rool is the most supported DK character, Krystal is the only legitimate choice for StarFox, Tiki has been playable more times than Roy, Anna, Chrom, and Lucina combined.
B: 15%+ Rolling Western got a sequel, Wonderful 101 is Nintendo's newest IP planning a sequel, Bayonetta 2 is a Wii U exclusive plus she's possibly the most unique choice, Midna is only this high for the possibility of Link transforming into Wolf Link now that we know TP characters are returning, plus Zelda U rumors and may even be more unique than Bayonetta, next most important unrepresented by any form Zelda character, Sheriff is about as retro as it gets videogame-wise, Ganon is 2 games more recurring than Impa, Captain Rainbow has been referenced already and is popular in Japan despite bad sales, Wario takes nothing from WarioLand despite WarioWare and WarioLand being arguable equal. Plus, female villain.
C: 7%+ Mach Rider is a popular retro, Tingle is somewhat recurring in the Zelda series but would have to represent his own sub-series, Vaati is the only other recurring Zelda villain not represented in any form after the Gerudos, Sukapon is from a retro fighting game popular in Japan, Daitoryo is as retro as you can possibly go with Nintendo, decades before Mario, Paper Mario has the possibility of representing Paper Mario, the 2nd obvious choice for Yoshi, the main villain, Tom Nook is pretty much the only Animal Crossing character that hasn't been deconfirmed by a cameo yet, however, this likely means he's an assist, Samurai Goroh is the next most important F Zero character and was an assist in Brawl, Waddle Dee is the only important Kirby character left, Hikari is from a very obscure game, but was also in Captain Rainbow, we're unlikely to receive another Mario character, but he's the next choice, Cave Story is... ok, I don't know anything about Quote, Medusa will happen if there's a 3rd KI rep, she's the next most iconic, plus, female villains.
C-: 5%+ Meowth is more iconic than Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Jigglypuff, and the rest of the Pokemon... but... Brawl + Mewtwo, StarTropics is important to the West, Chibi Robo recently came back and has a lot of potential, Ray would go around here too, King Boo is the main Luigi villain, Matthew is the 2nd most iconic Golden Sun character, Zoroark is the most popular "new" Pokemon and got a movie, Duck Hunt Dog is a very iconic retro, I forgot Masked Man... but I think he should go here for being the most popular Mother character not playable, Prince Sable could represent the GB era, Mona is the next most important WarioWare character, Porky is the next most iconic Mother character, Gensect recently got a movie with Mewtwo, I don't know much about Diskun, Barbara was an assist in Brawl and I think she just got a new game..., Black Shadow is also a main villain of FZero and is more popular in Japan. Right here is where I would have put Savvy Stylist if I had an icon for her.
D+: 3%+ Lyn is popular, Micaiah is semi-popular and unique, Roy is popular and was in Melee, Muddy Mole is a unique retro, Professor Layton has been involved with Nintendo a lot lately, Dark Samus is the 3rd biggest Metroid character (lawl), Simon is iconic, Bomberman is iconic, Rayman is iconic, Advance Wars is getting a remake, Isa is the 2nd most important S+P character, Aeron and Zael are from unrepresented series, Kat&Ana were assists in Brawl.
F: 1%+ Main character of the most recent Pikmin game, popular Pokemon with a mega evolution, 4th most important character in Awakening, 3rd most popular character only in Awakening, Dark Pit is also where Magnus, Eggplant Wizard, Pandora, and Hades go, clones w/ Brawl data, no clue, DragonQuest is somewhat relevant, assist in Brawl, Dr. Wright and the rest of the obscure assists go here too, most well-known FE villain, the villain of Brawl, popular in Japan, and the last 2 were in Melee, Young Link goes right here too.
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The hell are Roy and Lyn doing all the way down in D tier? Especially when you have Anna and Tiki all the way up in A-.

Sorry for the bias ;)
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Nice try, but no. ;)
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Here's my tier roster. Tell me if I forgot someone you would have put on there.



SS (LOCK Tier): Only character I consider an absolute lock is Mewtwo.

S (Leak Tier): Characters that were likely before which have leaks that seem credible to me.

A (Likely Tier): Would be surprised to not see any of these. Only one out of Chrom and Robin would get in.

B (50/50 Tier): This is where the list drops off a significant amount. Any of these characters could get in or be excluded without me being surprised. Most significant history reps are Daitoryo, Diskun, Sheriff, Nintendo's Joker, and a smash-original character. Significant Fire Emblem character includes *Roy, Anna, Tiki, Lyn, and Lucina.

C (Plausible Tier): Wouldn't be terribly surprised to see any of them get in, but I'm not counting on it. Newcomer is a placeholder for a retro other than Takamaru or Lip.

D (Possible Tier): Would surprise me, but not floor me by any means. Significant Mario characters include (Blue) Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario.

E (Eh Tier): I'd be significantly shocked, but not flabbergasted. Most significant Pokemon characters include Meowth, Blaziken, Genesect, and a few others. Smash Bros characters include Fighting ______s, Original Smash Characters, Primid, and Tabuu. Earthbound characters include Porky, Giegue/Giygas, and Ninten.

Critiques, anyone?
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You included Roy twice FYI.

I'd put Roy on/close to the same level as Chrom. But maybe that's just me.
 
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Of course I'd get the last post on the page. Reposting.

Here's my tier roster. Tell me if I forgot someone you would have put on there.



SS (LOCK Tier): Only character I consider an absolute lock is Mewtwo.

S (Leak Tier): Characters that were likely before which have leaks that seem credible to me.

A (Likely Tier): Would be surprised to not see any of these. Only one out of Chrom and Robin would get in.

B (50/50 Tier): This is where the list drops off a significant amount. Any of these characters could get in or be excluded without me being surprised. Most significant history reps are Daitoryo, Diskun, Sheriff, Nintendo's Joker, and a smash-original character. Significant Fire Emblem character includes *Roy, Anna, Tiki, Lyn, and Lucina.

C (Plausible Tier): Wouldn't be terribly surprised to see any of them get in, but I'm not counting on it. Newcomer is a placeholder for a retro other than Takamaru or Lip.

D (Possible Tier): Would surprise me, but not floor me by any means. Significant Mario characters include (Blue) Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario.

E (Eh Tier): I'd be significantly shocked, but not flabbergasted. Most significant Pokemon characters include Meowth, Blaziken, Genesect, and a few others. Smash Bros characters include Fighting ______s, Original Smash Characters, Primid, and Tabuu. Earthbound characters include Porky, Giegue/Giygas, and Ninten.

(*Roy significant enough that I included him in C tier as well. If he wasn't included, Fire Emblem Rep would be in C Tier below him.)

Critiques, anyone?
 
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shinpichu said:
The hell are Roy and Lyn doing all the way down in D tier? Especially when you have Anna and Tiki all the way up in A-.




You included Roy twice FYI.

I'd put Roy on/close to the same level as Chrom. But maybe that's just me.
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Oops, forgot the *Roy significant enough that I included him in C tier as well. If he wasn't included, Fire Emblem Rep would be in C Tier below him.
 
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shinpichu said:
The hell are Roy and Lyn doing all the way down in D tier? Especially when you have Anna and Tiki all the way up in A-.




You included Roy twice FYI.

I'd put Roy on/close to the same level as Chrom. But maybe that's just me.
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Lyn was an assist back during the time of her game. There have been multiple lords before and after her.
Roy was a clone, and ended up cut. It wasn't supposed to be that way but it's enough reason that they wouldn't bring him back.

Anna and Tiki actually have importance throughout the whole series, from the original game to Awakening, and are arguably the most unique/gimmicky choices. And are pretty popular on the Awakening polls.
 
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GoldenYuiitusin said:
...why do you two have the same avi, but mirrored and different colors?
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No reason, really.
CaptainLucario said:
So I've decided that I'm going to do what I do every single time I post outside of an ongoing conversation. Make an ongoing conversation.

So on the off chance (NOT HAPPENING) that Sakurai made a "one character special exception" to a character that let them be in Smash if they didn't originate from a video game, who would it be? NOTE THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL AND I KNOW IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Oh, and I'd go with Hatsune Miku.
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andimidna said:
Lyn was an assist back during the time of her game. There have been multiple lords before and after her.
Roy was a clone, and ended up cut. It wasn't supposed to be that way but it's enough reason that they wouldn't bring him back.

Anna and Tiki actually have importance throughout the whole series, from the original game to Awakening, and are arguably the most unique/gimmicky choices. And are pretty popular on the Awakening polls.
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I agree, but I wouldn't put either of them individually on anything higher than your B tier. A- seems a little high. And while I agree on Lyn not being the most important, Roy has a ton of demand for some reason and should probably be in a higher tier. I reccomend at least C.
 
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andimidna said:
Lyn was an assist back during the time of her game. There have been multiple lords before and after her.
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So the fact that she was the first international Lord means nothing?
Roy was a clone, and ended up cut. It wasn't supposed to be that way but it's enough reason that they wouldn't bring him back.
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I don't think Sakurai cares about clones as much as you assume he does.

Plus, you assume that Roy couldn't be de-cloned if Sakurai wanted to.
Anna and Tiki actually have importance throughout the whole series
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So do Camus and the Pegasus Sisters, but you haven't listed them at all. Not to mention that Anna and Tiki's roles (especially Anna's) have been relatively minor.
and are arguably the most unique/gimmicky choices.
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1. That's your opinion
2. Being 'gimmicky' isn't neccesarily a good thing.
And are pretty popular on the Awakening polls.
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And yet they do terrible on Smash-related polls.

And it's funny that you should mention popularity, because for a long time Roy outclassed every potential FE newcomer in terms of popularity(going by Shortie's polls), though IIRC recently Chrom has overtaken him.

Edit: I just noticed that you have Lissa listed on your chart. Why.
 
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Pacack said:
Here's my tier roster. Tell me if I forgot someone you would have put on there.



SS (LOCK Tier): Only character I consider an absolute lock is Mewtwo.

S (Leak Tier): Characters that were likely before which have leaks that seem credible to me.

A (Likely Tier): Would be surprised to not see any of these. Only one out of Chrom and Robin would get in.

B (50/50 Tier): This is where the list drops off a significant amount. Any of these characters could get in or be excluded without me being surprised. Most significant history reps are Daitoryo, Diskun, Sheriff, Nintendo's Joker, and a smash-original character. Significant Fire Emblem character includes *Roy, Anna, Tiki, Lyn, and Lucina.

C (Plausible Tier): Wouldn't be terribly surprised to see any of them get in, but I'm not counting on it. Newcomer is a placeholder for a retro other than Takamaru or Lip.

D (Possible Tier): Would surprise me, but not floor me by any means. Significant Mario characters include (Blue) Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario.

E (Eh Tier): I'd be significantly shocked, but not flabbergasted. Most significant Pokemon characters include Meowth, Blaziken, Genesect, and a few others. Smash Bros characters include Fighting ______s, Original Smash Characters, Primid, and Tabuu. Earthbound characters include Porky, Giegue/Giygas, and Ninten.

Critiques, anyone?
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What really strikes me about this roster are the placements of Chrom and Robin in the same tier, and K. Rool above Dixie. As a strong advocate for Robin, I'm not so sure I'd say that Robin is as likely as Chrom. I think that he stands a fair chance, and that he seems to get brushed aside as a good option in the whole Fire Emblem debate, but I don't think he's on equal footing as Chrom. That's so painful for me to say, by the way... As for Dixie and K. Rool, I would personally think they should be equal. Both have their positives and negatives, and at this point it's very hard to say which one Sakurai would favor. We're more than likely going to get one or the other, but I don't think either is necessarily more likely than the other.

So, if I were to change this up at all, I'd probably move Robin down a rank and move Dixie up a rank.

...Kind of weird how I'm basically advocating against what I actually want in the game right now...
 
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Rockaphin said:
I think this is supposed to be Shadow. I mean, he's red and black.
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Ah, that clears thingsup.
Thanks. I haven't followed the Sonic games in forever!

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I beg to differ, sir.
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That's clearly fanart.
We have Sonic, and I don't know about whoever the blue guy is.

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I don't see the difference...
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I know right?!

Speaking of which.
I heard they put him in Prison Island.
Good riddance. All he caused was trouble.
 
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GoldenYuiitusin said:
It means something?
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Honestly, I do think it does have some significance, but not nearly as much as being part of the game that saved the entire franchise (practically any other FE candidate)

Also
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The two characters I support the most are both characters I think could appear again in a future game. Specifically, Ghirahim and Lucina.
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I figured more people would call bull on this.
 
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I'm not sure who's trolling who anymore.

Are people trolling CliffJumper? Or is this what CliffJumper wants, essentially making people fall for his traps, thus being the one trolling? Or maybe both?

Anyway, seeing Chao makes me want to seem them as an AT... or an item?!... Omochao? :eek:
 
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shinpichu said:
So the fact that she was the first international Lord means nothing?
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To Japan? Yes. :laugh:
It was the best selling, until Awakening.
How could you think we're not getting anything that was in Awakening?
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I don't think Sakurai cares about clones as much as you assume he does.
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Funny how he was so low priority in Brawl's time that he got cut, isn't it?
It's also funny how 4/5 of the Melee to Brawl characters were clones...
It's almost like, they didn't deserve a spot in the first place, and adding nothing to the game... OH WAIT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED!
Sure, Toon Link is a clone. But he re-established relevance and has been the main protagonist multiple times! It's pretty much a clone that's actually worth being on the roster...
Though I would have preferred literally any Zelda character over him.
Plus, you assume that Roy couldn't be de-cloned if Sakurai wanted to.
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Well, like you mentioned, Toon Link came back and stayed a clone. So far, we've seen nothing of the sort. No reason to expect that.
Really though, how would you make him unique?
So do Camus and the Pegasus Sisters, but you haven't listed them at all. Not to mention that Anna and Tiki's roles (especially Anna's) have been relatively minor.
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Yet they have no support. Which is different from getting few support.
Tiki has more story relevance and playable recurrence. Anna is in every game in multiple roles (except Gaiden).
They just don't compare or compete with Anna and Tiki.
1. That's your opinion
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Name a character that's more unique and gimmicky
2. Being 'gimmicky' isn't neccesarily a good thing.
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Makes them more viable.
Megaman, Villager, Rosaluma, Little Mac.
And yet they do terrible on Smash-related polls.
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Like?
Anyways, if Sakurai uses Smash speculation website polls to newcomers I'll be in complete shock.
And it's funny that you should mention popularity, because for a long time Roy outclassed every potential FE newcomer in terms of popularity(going by Shortie's polls), though IIRC recently Chrom has overtaken him.
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Yep, Chrom's back on top.
Chrom's always been the most speculated (not before Awakening though of course) and is far more requested than any FE character on Miiverse.
But Shortie forgot to add Tiki until March, so whatever her score is (and I have no idea what it is) can't really be compared to anybody but Rundas, who I believe was added late onto the poll on the same day.
I think Anna is doing OK.


Why would you even want a clone that's a lord from over a decade ago? Did you like to play as him? You can just play as Marth, y'know.
 
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