Character Discussion Thread

[Substitution]

It's when we become aware that we're just characters in a game ourselves.

Implying we aren't already in a game called "Reality".

 

[Sehnsucht]

Implying we aren't already in a game called "Reality".

I'm on Reality II: The Reckoning right now.

 

[Joe D.]

And did I miss a Pac-Man discussion?
I have good rebuts! Anyone want to bring it up again?

Pretty sure Shaq was conceived and birthed a few decades before Shaq-Fu

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Neither were Sonic, Snake, and Mega Man, yet we got them anyway.

Yes they were, they're needed more than ever so more people would buy the game when it comes out.

 

[Substitution]

I'm on Reality II: The Reckoning right now.

Really? I have yet to buy it.
I'm currently on Reality: HD Remastered.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

A character that didn't originate from a video game in Smash? I'd want Darth Vader.

The most reasonable in term of likelihood would be Reggie, I suppose. I still deem him impossible nevertheless.

 

[Louie G.]

Pretty sure Shaq was conceived and birthed a few decades before Shaq-Fu

That's what they want you to think.

So new topic.
I've had a change of heart about Chrom. Sure I liked him before, but I simply tolerated him, considering him the most plausible and logical Fire Emblem character.
But thinking about how he could play, even without fancy stance change mechanics, I'm really liking it. He could be a great mix between Marth and Ike (fast and powerful) and balance out the Fire Emblem cast well.

 

[Substitution]

I say Hulk Hogan!

Yes they were, they're needed more than ever so more people would buy the game when it comes out.

Not really.
People are gonna buy the game anyway.
The third party characters are just sprinkles on the cake called Smash.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Yes they were, they're needed more than ever so more people would buy the game when it comes out.

No Third-Party character is needed in a Nintendo Crossover Fighter, regardless of how popular they may be outside of Smash.

Adding Sonic/Snake/Mega Man/Whoever could be argued as smart marketing moves to attract further consumers, of course (since they are by extension appealing to demographics beyond Nintendo's consumer base, thus maximizing potential sales).

But it's not like a Smash character roster would ever be incomplete without Sonic/Snake/Mega Man/Whoever. And Smash is popular enough in its own right without Third-Party additions anyway. Some might play Smash, or buy a Smash game, purely for the presence of a given Third-Party character, but the main selling point of Smash is playing with one's favourite Nintendo characters (alongside the unorthodox King of the Hill-style gameplay).

 

[Deleted member]

Remember, Goku originated in a manga. Sakurai only uses characters who originate in a video game.

Prior to Brawl, Sakurai only used characters Nintendo has ownership of.
Just because a non-gaming origin character hasn't been featured yet (which is actually untrue because of Lucario) doesn't mean it never will. Though it isn't likely for this pair of games unless Reggie seriously is included.

 

[andimidna]

Tiers go by rows.
SS: 95%+ I seriously cannot see the final roster not having both of them.
S+: 75%+ Dixie was planned for Brawl and came back, Chrom is the most recent lord and most popular pick for FE, Xenoblade got huge after one game, there will be a new retro always.
S: 60%+ Pac-Man is the next most iconic 3rd party, Ridley is the next most iconic 1st party, and sadly Miis are also very prevalant.
A: 40%+ Lucina is so high as she might be paired with Chrom and is popular in Japan, Golden Sun is important enough, Panel De Pon has already been referenced multiple times, she's plenty unique and old enough to be considered retro, the most requested and most popular-recent character from Zelda like what happened with Sheik, a very important part of Fire Emblem, the Tactician, Robin is the main face of this, Tetra because of the remake, Sin and Punishment has 2 games, Nintendo is on a Cranky-high right now for some reason.
A-: 25%+ Anna is arguably the icon of the series, not Marth, for being in every game in multiple roles, King K Rool is the most supported DK character, Krystal is the only legitimate choice for StarFox, Tiki has been playable more times than Roy, Anna, Chrom, and Lucina combined.
B: 15%+ Rolling Western got a sequel, Wonderful 101 is Nintendo's newest IP planning a sequel, Bayonetta 2 is a Wii U exclusive plus she's possibly the most unique choice, Midna is only this high for the possibility of Link transforming into Wolf Link now that we know TP characters are returning, plus Zelda U rumors and may even be more unique than Bayonetta, next most important unrepresented by any form Zelda character, Sheriff is about as retro as it gets videogame-wise, Ganon is 2 games more recurring than Impa, Captain Rainbow has been referenced already and is popular in Japan despite bad sales, Wario takes nothing from WarioLand despite WarioWare and WarioLand being arguable equal. Plus, female villain.
C: 7%+ Mach Rider is a popular retro, Tingle is somewhat recurring in the Zelda series but would have to represent his own sub-series, Vaati is the only other recurring Zelda villain not represented in any form after the Gerudos, Sukapon is from a retro fighting game popular in Japan, Daitoryo is as retro as you can possibly go with Nintendo, decades before Mario, Paper Mario has the possibility of representing Paper Mario, the 2nd obvious choice for Yoshi, the main villain, Tom Nook is pretty much the only Animal Crossing character that hasn't been deconfirmed by a cameo yet, however, this likely means he's an assist, Samurai Goroh is the next most important F Zero character and was an assist in Brawl, Waddle Dee is the only important Kirby character left, Hikari is from a very obscure game, but was also in Captain Rainbow, we're unlikely to receive another Mario character, but he's the next choice, Cave Story is... ok, I don't know anything about Quote, Medusa will happen if there's a 3rd KI rep, she's the next most iconic, plus, female villains.
C-: 5%+ Meowth is more iconic than Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Jigglypuff, and the rest of the Pokemon... but... Brawl + Mewtwo, StarTropics is important to the West, Chibi Robo recently came back and has a lot of potential, Ray would go around here too, King Boo is the main Luigi villain, Matthew is the 2nd most iconic Golden Sun character, Zoroark is the most popular "new" Pokemon and got a movie, Duck Hunt Dog is a very iconic retro, I forgot Masked Man... but I think he should go here for being the most popular Mother character not playable, Prince Sable could represent the GB era, Mona is the next most important WarioWare character, Porky is the next most iconic Mother character, Gensect recently got a movie with Mewtwo, I don't know much about Diskun, Barbara was an assist in Brawl and I think she just got a new game..., Black Shadow is also a main villain of FZero and is more popular in Japan. Right here is where I would have put Savvy Stylist if I had an icon for her.
D+: 3%+ Lyn is popular, Micaiah is semi-popular and unique, Roy is popular and was in Melee, Muddy Mole is a unique retro, Professor Layton has been involved with Nintendo a lot lately, Dark Samus is the 3rd biggest Metroid character (lawl), Simon is iconic, Bomberman is iconic, Rayman is iconic, Advance Wars is getting a remake, Isa is the 2nd most important S+P character, Aeron and Zael are from unrepresented series, Kat&Ana were assists in Brawl.
F: 1%+ Main character of the most recent Pikmin game, popular Pokemon with a mega evolution, 4th most important character in Awakening, 3rd most popular character only in Awakening, Dark Pit is also where Magnus, Eggplant Wizard, Pandora, and Hades go, clones w/ Brawl data, no clue, DragonQuest is somewhat relevant, assist in Brawl, Dr. Wright and the rest of the obscure assists go here too, most well-known FE villain, the villain of Brawl, popular in Japan, and the last 2 were in Melee, Young Link goes right here too.



Sorry for the bias

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[Jason the Yoshi]

I say Hulk Hogan!


Not really.
People are gonna buy the game anyway.
The third party characters are just sprinkles on the cake called Smash.

Nah, if the SEGA appreciates the fact that Sakurai's giving a warm welcome to Sonic, then he's in Smash to stay. Sakurai must like him to have him be the only third party veteran so far. Of course Nintendo might buy out SEGA considering how much "husband and wife" they are to each other. MegaMan ain't leaving either. True he's not as famous as Sonic, but what other third party would Sakurai turn to when/if Nintendo buys SEGA? Sakurai wants third party characters, therefore they're needed!

 

[Deleted member]

(alongside the unorthodox King of the Hill-style gameplay)

If only.....

 

[Sehnsucht]

If only.....

He'd have narrow hitboxes.

 

[Deleted member]

He'd have narrow hitboxes.

Though he'd at least kick his opponents' asses.

 

[Joe D.]

If only.....

Thank you for my new avi

 

[BluePikmin11]

View attachment 11283
Tiers go by rows.
SS: 95%+ I seriously cannot see the final roster not having both of them.
S+: 75%+ Dixie was planned for Brawl and came back, Chrom is the most recent lord and most popular pick for FE, Xenoblade got huge after one game, there will be a new retro always.
S: 60%+ Pac-Man is the next most iconic 3rd party, Ridley is the next most iconic 1st party, and sadly Miis are also very prevalant.
A: 40%+ Lucina is so high as she might be paired with Chrom and is popular in Japan, Golden Sun is important enough, Panel De Pon has already been referenced multiple times, she's plenty unique and old enough to be considered retro, the most requested and most popular-recent character from Zelda like what happened with Sheik, a very important part of Fire Emblem, the Tactician, Robin is the main face of this, Tetra because of the remake, Sin and Punishment has 2 games, Nintendo is on a Cranky-high right now for some reason.
A-: 25%+ Anna is arguably the icon of the series, not Marth, for being in every game in multiple roles, King K Rool is the most supported DK character, Krystal is the only legitimate choice for StarFox, Tiki has been playable more times than Roy, Anna, Chrom, and Lucina combined.
B: 15%+ Rolling Western got a sequel, Wonderful 101 is Nintendo's newest IP planning a sequel, Bayonetta 2 is a Wii U exclusive plus she's possibly the most unique choice, Midna is only this high for the possibility of Link transforming into Wolf Link now that we know TP characters are returning, plus Zelda U rumors and may even be more unique than Bayonetta, next most important unrepresented by any form Zelda character, Sheriff is about as retro as it gets videogame-wise, Ganon is 2 games more recurring than Impa, Captain Rainbow has been referenced already and is popular in Japan despite bad sales, Wario takes nothing from WarioLand despite WarioWare and WarioLand being arguable equal. Plus, female villain.
C: 7%+ Mach Rider is a popular retro, Tingle is somewhat recurring in the Zelda series but would have to represent his own sub-series, Vaati is the only other recurring Zelda villain not represented in any form after the Gerudos, Sukapon is from a retro fighting game popular in Japan, Daitoryo is as retro as you can possibly go with Nintendo, decades before Mario, Paper Mario has the possibility of representing Paper Mario, the 2nd obvious choice for Yoshi, the main villain, Tom Nook is pretty much the only Animal Crossing character that hasn't been deconfirmed by a cameo yet, however, this likely means he's an assist, Samurai Goroh is the next most important F Zero character and was an assist in Brawl, Waddle Dee is the only important Kirby character left, Hikari is from a very obscure game, but was also in Captain Rainbow, we're unlikely to receive another Mario character, but he's the next choice, Cave Story is... ok, I don't know anything about Quote, Medusa will happen if there's a 3rd KI rep, she's the next most iconic, plus, female villains.
C-: 5%+ Meowth is more iconic than Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Jigglypuff, and the rest of the Pokemon... but... Brawl + Mewtwo, StarTropics is important to the West, Chibi Robo recently came back and has a lot of potential, Ray would go around here too, King Boo is the main Luigi villain, Matthew is the 2nd most iconic Golden Sun character, Zoroark is the most popular "new" Pokemon and got a movie, Duck Hunt Dog is a very iconic retro, I forgot Masked Man... but I think he should go here for being the most popular Mother character not playable, Prince Sable could represent the GB era, Mona is the next most important WarioWare character, Porky is the next most iconic Mother character, Gensect recently got a movie with Mewtwo, I don't know much about Diskun, Barbara was an assist in Brawl and I think she just got a new game..., Black Shadow is also a main villain of FZero and is more popular in Japan. Right here is where I would have put Savvy Stylist if I had an icon for her.
D+: 3%+ Lyn is popular, Micaiah is semi-popular and unique, Roy is popular and was in Melee, Muddy Mole is a unique retro, Professor Layton has been involved with Nintendo a lot lately, Dark Samus is the 3rd biggest Metroid character (lawl), Simon is iconic, Bomberman is iconic, Rayman is iconic, Advance Wars is getting a remake, Isa is the 2nd most important S+P character, Aeron and Zael are from unrepresented series, Kat&Ana were assists in Brawl.
F: 1%+ Main character of the most recent Pikmin game, popular Pokemon with a mega evolution, 4th most important character in Awakening, 3rd most popular character only in Awakening, Dark Pit is also where Magnus, Eggplant Wizard, Pandora, and Hades go, clones w/ Brawl data, no clue, DragonQuest is somewhat relevant, assist in Brawl, Dr. Wright and the rest of the obscure assists go here too, most well-known FE villain, the villain of Brawl, popular in Japan, and the last 2 were in Melee, Young Link goes right here too.



Sorry for the bias

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What in the world is with that Isaac icon?

 

[Kenith]

Uh, why are you guys making these likelihood tiers now? They're lame and extremely biased.

That's what they want you to think.

So new topic.
I've had a change of heart about Chrom. Sure I liked him before, but I simply tolerated him, considering him the most plausible and logical Fire Emblem character.
But thinking about how he could play, even without fancy stance change mechanics, I'm really liking it. He could be a great mix between Marth and Ike (fast and powerful) and balance out the Fire Emblem cast well.

What about Lucina??

 

[Substitution]

Nah, if the SEGA appreciates the fact that Sakurai's giving a warm welcome to Sonic, then he's in Smash to stay.

But what does that have to do with "getting more buyers"?

Sakurai must like him to have him be the only third party veteran so far.

"So far."
Of coruse he is. We haven't gotten Snake yet.

Of course Nintendo might buy out SEGA considering how much "husband and wife" they are to each other.

Nice to know we can still push our theories.

And I never said anything about Nintendo buying Sega, where'd you get that from?

MegaMan ain't leaving either. True he's not as famous as Sonic, but what other third party would Sakurai turn to when/if Nintendo buys SEGA? Sakurai wants third party characters, therefore they're needed!

Once again.
This is an opinion, it isn't fact.
You're using a hypothetical situation as evidence.

So, my point still stands.

Oh, and:

True he's not as famous as Sonic,

Really now?
Megaman, the one who we could say is the "mascot", to Capcom, not as big as Sonic?
I think otherwise.

 

[Louie G.]

What about Lucina??

Personally I can't see Lucina being anything too different than Marth. I have a vision of Chrom and he's looking a lot different than the others.
Although she would be a great "balance" too, because she's a girl.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Personally I can't see Lucina being anything too different than Marth. I have a vision of Chrom and he's looking a lot different than the others.
Although she would be a great "balance" too, because she's a girl.

So looks create a completely different character while if a character looks anything alike, they're clones? Doesn't sound right to me.

 

[Kenith]

Personally I can't see Lucina being anything too different than Marth. I have a vision of Chrom and he's looking a lot different than the others.
Although she would be a great "balance" too, because she's a girl.

You don't think she can be unique?

 

[Louie G.]

So looks create a completely different character while if a character looks anything alike, they're clones? Doesn't sound right to me.

No. I said I have a vision of how Chrom plays. I have no real vision of Lucina.
Lucina has a similar style as Marth, and even cosplays as him for a good chunk of Awakening's beginning. So that's what leads me to think that she would be a (semi)clone to Marth, or an alternate costume maybe.
Don't talk like I used Saturn logic or something, you're scaring me.

 

[Substitution]

So looks create a completely different character while if a character looks anything alike, they're clones? Doesn't sound right to me.

Well of course.
Don't clones look the exact same in sci-fi movies?

 

[andimidna]

Glad to see some are finally recognizing Chrom could be just as unique as the other Fire Emblem choices if done right.

I really hope to see him in a team with Lucina.
It makes sense.
Adds further difference from the rest and uniqueness.
Plus it adds another popular Fire Emblem character into one slot.
They can be considered equally important...
Lucina is more popular in Japan, Chrom is the most common pick here...
And there'd be space for a 4th slot of either Robin, Anna, or Tiki

 

[Autumn ♫]

No. I said I have a vision of how Chrom plays. I have no real vision of Lucina.
Lucina has a similar style as Marth, and even cosplays as him for a good chunk of Awakening's beginning. So that's what leads me to think that she would be a (semi)clone to Marth, or an alternate costume maybe.
Don't talk like I used Saturn logic or something, you're scaring me.

Oh, okay, although I do disagree with Lucina and Marth having the same style. I'm a bit aggregatable right now, so I do apologize.

 

[Joe D.]

I'm going to talk about something totally different while you guys beat a dead horse. Any new assist trophy ideas? I was thinking some 9-Volt action!

 

[andimidna]

No. I said I have a vision of how Chrom plays. I have no real vision of Lucina.
Lucina has a similar style as Marth, and even cosplays as him for a good chunk of Awakening's beginning. So that's what leads me to think that she would be a (semi)clone to Marth, or an alternate costume maybe.
Don't talk like I used Saturn logic or something, you're scaring me.

Lucina is actually more-known for her lance/stab/quick playstyles.
As opposed to Chrom anyways.

But c'mon... Chrom and Lucina fanbases, just come together in compromise with a duo!

 

[IsmaR]

2001 - "I think a blue-haired swordsman can be very unique."

2007 - "Another one with a very different style could be cool if done right."

2014 - "The only way to make them unique anymore is to pair them together. That way we get more blue hair, more sword."

 

[protato]

not sure if anyone has said this (375 pages pls), but i would be so hyped if prince was in ssb4

 

[andimidna]

I'm going to talk about something totally different while you guys beat a dead horse. Any new assist trophy ideas? I was thinking some 9-Volt action!

Hmmm... for a 2nd WarioWare rep... wouldn't Ashley have gotten in 1st?
And then Mona now in 1st?
And even Kat & Ana before 9 volt?
Also the possibility of a WarioLand rep... I'm not so sure.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Lip is my favorite Lord because she's got pink hair and attacks using the flowers and garbage blocks.

 

[Substitution]

2001 - "I think a blue-haired swordsman can be very unique."

2007 - "Another one with a very different style could be cool if done right."

2014 - "The only way to make them unique anymore is to pair them together. That way we get more blue hair, more sword."

Implying more blue hair is a bad thing...

 

[Rockaphin]

I'm going to talk about something totally different while you guys beat a dead horse. Any new assist trophy ideas? I was thinking some 9-Volt action!

I'd like to see Kamek doing this:

Option 1: Different colored magic causes different affects to the characters.
Option 2: Like in NSMB, the level could alter.
I'd love to play as Kamek, but he would work well as an assist.

 

[Kenith]

It's really ironic, the whole "Chrom Vs. Lucina Vs. Marth" argument, for me anyways, as Lucina was the one who left a bigger impression on me, not Chrom.
She reminds me of Gohan in that I think she has more potential than her father, and that it seemed like she was going to be more important to the story, but her father was sort of "shoved" back into the lead role. As far as gameplay is concerned, this is absolutely true.

 

[Louie G.]

Chrom isn't necessarily "unique" perse, but I do like the idea I have for him.
A mix between Marth and Ike, like I said before, to balance them out.
I also thought of a "looser" sword style, rather than the more dignified style that Marth and Ike have.

 

[Substitution]

Option 1: Different colored magic causes different affects to the characters.

This would be the way to go.
He could essentially be a more trolling Tingle (such as reversing the character's controls, reducing their gravity, etc.).

 

[Kenith]

not sure if anyone has said this (375 pages pls), but i would be so hyped if prince was in ssb4

Naaaaa, na na naaa na na naaa, naaa na na not happening!
(it makes sense if you sing it to the tune of Katamari on the Rocks)

 

[Substitution]

Naaaaa, na na naaa na na naaa, naaa na na not happening!

Come on man!
He'd be perfect!

 

[Pacack]

Here's my tier roster. Tell me if I forgot someone you would have put on there.

SS (LOCK Tier): Only character I consider an absolute lock is Mewtwo.

S (Leak Tier): Characters that were likely before which have leaks that seem credible to me.

A (Likely Tier): Would be surprised to not see any of these. Only one out of Chrom and Robin would get in.

B (50/50 Tier): This is where the list drops off a significant amount. Any of these characters could get in or be excluded without me being surprised. Most significant history reps are Daitoryo, Diskun, Sheriff, Nintendo's Joker, and a smash-original character. Significant Fire Emblem character includes *Roy, Anna, Tiki, Lyn, and Lucina.

C (Plausible Tier): Wouldn't be terribly surprised to see any of them get in, but I'm not counting on it. Newcomer is a placeholder for a retro other than Takamaru or Lip.

D (Possible Tier): Would surprise me, but not floor me by any means. Significant Mario characters include (Blue) Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario.

E (Eh Tier): I'd be significantly shocked, but not flabbergasted. Most significant Pokemon characters include Meowth, Blaziken, Genesect, and a few others. Smash Bros characters include Fighting ______s, Original Smash Characters, Primid, and Tabuu. Earthbound characters include Porky, Giegue/Giygas, and Ninten.

Critiques, anyone?