Character Discussion Thread

[egaddmario]

Oh yeah, speaking of Isaac, I have a gut feeling for the pic of the day tomorrow, Isaac would be confirmed as an Assist Trophy as a "celebration" of Golden Sun being released on the Wii U Virtual Console.

If I'm right, there will be hell to raise. If I'm wrong, it would just be another dodged bullet.

If Isaac is confirmed as an Assist Trophy, there's still room for Matthew, right? ......right? ._.

 

[Baskerville]

Shulk plz
Out of the 2 he's the one I care about more.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

It is a likeliness tier list for newcomers like legendofrob's.

Oh.
In that case, I have a few changes I'd make.
First, I'd bring a Zelda newcomer a tier up, and bring Isaac and Robin a tier down.
Also, I'd bring Dixie a tier or two down, since chances are we may only see one DK newcomer, and that would most likely be K. Rool.

 

[Arcanir]

I'd also cut Bowser Jr., and put a Zelda newcomer in his place, since I, like many others, feel the Mario, Pokémon, and Zelda series should remain the same in terms of how many characters.

Why do these three have to stay at the same number? Granted, they are Nintendo's most well known three, but that doesn't necessarily have to extend to characters because not all characters are equal in prominence, popularity or otherwise across those franchises. We shouldn't add a character just to fill a quota, because it's quite arbitrary to do so when there are other choices to consider.

 

[Louie G.]

Oh yeah, speaking of Isaac, I have a gut feeling for the pic of the day tomorrow, Isaac would be confirmed as an Assist Trophy as a "celebration" of Golden Sun being released on the Wii U Virtual Console.

If I'm right, there will be hell to raise. If I'm wrong, it would just be another dodged bullet.

Personally I never found Isaac too likely in the first place. It would probably be the biggest deconfirmation so far, regardless.
Speaking of the Virtual Console, what do you guys think about an Advance Wars character?
I was considering how cool someone like Andy could be, using his big wrenches and gadgets to battle.
It could be really cool and represent a big Nintendo IP not yet represented.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If Isaac is confirmed as an Assist Trophy, there's still room for Matthew, right? ......right? ._.

To me, Matthew is just grasping at straws.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Shulk plz
Out of the 2 he's the one I care about more.

As much as I support Shulk in Smash Bros, I still haven't played Xenoblade yet. I got a birthday coming up, but I'm saving that mainly for Sonic Colors

 

[Oniric Spriter]

I don't see Roy ever coming back either. He's just not important to Fire Emblem or Smash Bros anymore.

Ah, man, that surely is a prob-

 

[Substitution]

Well, not liking Ridley is fine, but it seems that you're saying you don't think he's a likely choice.

That can be debated.

Might as well say this.

No, I'm not saying Ridley is unlikely.
I just don't prefer him.

That's all.

 

[Louie G.]

Well Jigglypuff is in every Smash Bros game so far, so cutting her is basically a sin.
Cutting Roy already happened, and there's no point in bringing him back, unlike Mewtwo who is relevant again due to Mega Evos and the movies. Mewtwo is ALWAYS relevant, really.
If you want to go the fairy type route too, Jiggs is there.
Now with a big game like Awakening out, I highly doubt that Roy will be added over a more relevant option like Chrom, Lucina, or even Robin.

 

[egaddmario]

Ah, man, that surely is a prob-

But Jigglypuff is important again due to it becoming a Fairy type and it's been in every Smash so far. Roy was in one Fire Emblem game and one Smash game as a clone. There's a big difference.

 

[Tepig2000]

Might as well say this.

No, I'm not saying Ridley is unlikely.
I just don't prefer him.

That's all.

THAT I can understand.

 

[False Sense]

Might as well say this.

No, I'm not saying Ridley is unlikely.
I just don't prefer him.

That's all.

And that is perfectly fine.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Why do these three have to stay at the same number? Granted, they are Nintendo's most well known three, but that doesn't necessarily have to extend to characters because not all characters are equal in prominence, popularity or otherwise across those franchises. We shouldn't add a character just to fill a quota, because it's quite arbitrary to do so when there are other choices to consider.

I'm not saying we should add a character just to keep them equal, I am saying they all deserve to have the same amount of characters.
All 3 series have a large amount of characters to pull from, and one series shouldn't have a newcomer at the expense of another series not having one.
That's why I said that Bowser Jr. should be taken off the roster and be replaced with a Zelda newcomer, since it is unfair that one great series gets 2 newcomers while another great series doesn't get one at all.

 

[Louie G.]

I honestly think that Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon being equal isn't as important as we all think.
Zelda has it's big 4. There is nobody else that is really needed at this point, but hey we said that about Mario.
Speaking of Mario, the only franchise that even comes CLOSE to selling as much is Pokemon. So personally I think that balancing Mario and Pokemon is much more important, as Zelda doesn't even come close to their success and is closer to Donkey Kong and Kirby.
And Mario's success as a whole (considering that I was focusing on SUPER Mario and not spin-offs) is way beyond any video game franchise ever. I would say that Mario is UNDER-REPRESENTED as is considering it's importance. I like the balance that we have now but Mario IS Nintendo. So I'm just saying it's justified for Mario to have more characters than the others.
Even so, the whole balance thing is a load of crap when you think about it, since Zelda has 5 characters including Sheik, and Pokemon has 6 counting all of PT's Pokemon.
So they were never truly balanced to begin with.

 

[Joe D.]

You know, it was never officially stated that the Star Fox franchise had too much representation. It seems that that's the reason people don't think Krystal is likely, but I think she has a much higher chance than what's being given to her. Hell, for all we know they'll crash the party with a 6th Mario Rep. Seriously, we won't know until Sakurai takes action.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Here's my chance chart:

I took my time with this one. C is basically semi-clone territory.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

As far as under-representation goes, I've got lots to say

Mario
Eh, I think Mario might be set as it is, It'd be nice to see Bowser Jr, but I'd say that's unlikely

Zelda
I kinda think double changers should still count as one character, so I can see one more Zelda character coming in

Pokemon
Just keep the Brawl roster, but add Mewtwo. Pokemon Trainer being a triple changer I still consider one character.

Sonic
This is just my personal opinion, but because of it's undeniable fame, I think Sonic is severely under-represented. I know that a second Sonic character is not likely, but no matter what you'd toss at me, I'm not going to give up hope. There's also the high chance of Nintendo buying up SEGA in between this title and the next, so I can wait.

Earthbound
Two characters is fine by me, but I do NOT want Lucas cut, that would suck

Fire Emblem
Maybe 3 characters would be pushing the limits. I'm saying this as someone not in favor of Ike being cut though.

Kid Icarus
Yes, the Kid Icarus franchise deserves a second rep, Sakurai did develop Uprising after all.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Here's my chance chart:

I took my time with this one. C is basically semi-clone territory.

If we have Nook, Kawashima, Layton, Daitroutyou, and the Drake's Crew in B tier I would lose all faith in the speculation fanbase. Legit, I consider most of those around C- or D

 

[Gunla]

Character Representation is not a thing, honestly. Reps have never been a real, legitimate thing.
Slot Representation, on the other hand, is a tad more apparant, even if not explicitly stated.
(I'm gonna start posting in this color.)

 

[Louie G.]

Here's my chance chart:

I took my time with this one. C is basically semi-clone territory.

So the B stands for bias?
Good job though. I don't agree with it but you took a lot of time on this.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

So the B stands for bias?
Good job though. I don't agree with it but you took a lot of time on this.

I actually don't think Prince Sable or Layton would be bad ideas, please just let Blue have hope for them.

 

[Louie G.]

I actually don't think Prince Sable or Layton would be bad ideas, please just let Blue have hope for them.

Trust me, we all know by know to let Blue have hope.
They aren't bad ideas, just not B Tier likeliness in my eyes.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

I actually don't think Prince Sable or Layton would be bad ideas, please just let Blue have hope for them.

I don't complain about Sable or Layton. I think layton would be a decent choice, just not B tier. Maybe C or C-. I'm just wary of giving non Pac third parties high chances. And Sable is fine. Could see him at around a C+ish tbch.

 

[BluePikmin11]

No B isn't for bias, B tier is what I think is plausible and is possible to be considered. C- tier is basically that they have a shot, but I think based on their current standing, merits, and position they will probably not be considered for playable character.

D is that there up there but too much of an obscurity or unlikely to be considered. Maybe I should move Cranky up a bit though.

So the B stands for bias?
Good job though. I don't agree with it but you took a lot of time on this.

If I was biased, then I would put Muddy Mole on D tier and Anna on S tier.

 

[N3ON]

Here's my chance chart:

I took my time with this one. C is basically semi-clone territory.

Once you get to the B-Tier the whole sorting seems really random and biased. And like half those characters should be in the D-Tier or lower.

 

[Gunla]

Here's my chance chart:

I took my time with this one. C is basically semi-clone territory.

...I'm gonna have to disagree with this one. And it's not just because of one placement or two. Sorry, but I smell bias.

EDIT: Ninja'd by N3ON.

 

[Deleted member]

I just want decloned Ganondorf for Zelda newcomer.

 

[TumblrFamous]

If we're doing tiers, I'll state mine:

1. Mewtwo
2. Palutena
3. Mii
4. Dixie Kong
5. Takamaru
6. Shulk
7. Ridley
8. Chrom
9. Pac-Man
10. King K. Rool

Personally, these are the ten most likely in my eyes, with Mewtwo of course being the most likely, and going down. I'd be surprised if we don't get at least a few of these characters.

 

[Rockaphin]

I wrote down who I think is the most likely newcomer from each series as of April 2, 2014. I'm not saying that all of these franchises will receive a newcomer, but if they were I think the following characters are the most likely:
Mario: Bowser Jr.
Zelda: Tingle
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Star Fox: Krystal
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Yoshi: Kamek
Wario: Captain Syrup maaayyybe Mona
Metroid: Ridley
Fire Emblem: Chrom
Pokémon: Mewtwo(technically returning) otherwise, New Trainer
Animal Crossing: Tom Nook
Earthbound: Porky
Kid Icarus: Palutena
F-Zero: Samurai Goroh
Retro: Takamaru

 

[YoshiandToad]

Here's my chance chart:

I took my time with this one. C is basically semi-clone territory.

I'll eat my own shoes if Style Savvy Stylist is more likely than any of the D rankers there. I guess she doesn't have any competition with fellow members of the series, but damn.

 

[andimidna]

Here's my chance chart:

I took my time with this one. C is basically semi-clone territory.

This looks fun.
Why have I not tried this yet?
I'll post one soon...

 

[Deleted member]

I'll eat my own shoes if Style Savvy Stylist is more likely than any of the D rankers there

Toxx Clause, eh?

I'll have to make up a teir chart soon.

 

[Will]

Here's my chance chart:

I took my time with this one. C is basically semi-clone territory.

>Mii is in front of Ridley and Takamaru

You have done a proud service today.

EDIT : Oh,what if HE sees that his favorite character is C-? I sense a future flamewar.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Ok, if you want a full reasoning here you go:
S-Tier: Has leaks and/or sayings, and/or hints from Sakurai, have their merits, popularity, and are unique and diverse enough to be considered.
A-Tier: Have their merits and hinted with recent events (such as Takamaru appearing in many games lately), big popularity, and are unique and diverse enough to be considered, but no clear evidence to be S-tier.
B-Tier: Have at least some of: their merits, have uniqueness and diversity, and decent or higher level of popularity to be considered in the final roster.
C-Tier: Plausible semi-clone territory, have merits, but for the purpose of when time runs out.
C--Tier: Has a shot, has a decent or level of popularity, unique at the very least, but based on their current standing, merits, and position they will probably not be considered for playable character.
D-Tier: Up there but too much of an obscurity or unlikely to be considered for various reasons.

But yeah, I might redo this later.

 

[Bowserlick]

Character Representation is not a thing, honestly. Reps have never been a real, legitimate thing.
Slot Representation, on the other hand, is a tad more apparant, even if not explicitly stated.
(I'm gonna start posting in this color.)

Wasn't Zamus included to offer another Metroid character? I think that counts as representation.

 

[Kenith]

Breaking up boredom...now! Have a very conservative, unbiased roster.

The only difference from last time is the removal of Shulk in favour of Isaac.

 

[False Sense]

Breaking up boredom...now! Have a very conservative, unbiased roster.

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The only difference from last time is the removal of Shulk in favour of Isaac.

The only thing I think could be said bad about this roster might be that it doesn't have Miis on it, which seem to be viewed as very likely at this point with those stages and all. But we really don't know for sure at this point, so I don't think that should be held against it.

So, overall I'd say that's an excellent, safe, and overall pleasing roster.

 

[Kenith]

The only thing I think could be said bad about this roster might be that it doesn't have Miis on it, which seem to be viewed as very likely at this point with those stages and all. But we really don't know at this point, so I don't think that should be held against it.

So, overall I'd say that's an excellent, safe, and overall pleasing roster.

I've kind of come to the conclusion that either:

a) Only the most esteemed, intense requested and unique characters will make the cut, counting out pretty much every character I've requested and resulting in a small roster

b) There will tons of new characters but not all of them will be completely unique, but there will be more new editions.

This roster is conclusion a.

And I don't care what anyone says, I will never, ever include those Miis on my rosters until the prove is in front of my eyes.

 

[Deleted member]

But Jigglypuff is important again due to it becoming a Fairy type

Being reclassed into a Fairy doesn't make it important. Besides, it shared this distinction with 21 other Pokémon. One of which had a relatively large role compared to the others (Gardevoir).

Magnemite and Magneton were the only Pokémon from Gen I to be reclassed to the new Steel type of Gen II, but that hardly made either more important than before.


Not going to argue against the rest of the post; this part was the only real nitpick I had.
EDIT: Never mind, this is another.

Roy was in one Fire Emblem game

Three.
He only starred in one, but he was in three.
He appeared as a child at the end of FE7, as the game was a prequel to his game and starred his father.

He also appears as DLC for Awakening, which isn't much, as most other previous Lords did as well. However, he did have that one DLC chapter that was him vs. Ike using both their appearances in Smash as a selling point.