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Good evening fellow Smash Bros fans. We've gone a whole month without reveals, but ended it on a positive note with Luigi's new Poltergust final smash. We're destined to get a new addition to the Smash Bros family today, so I decided I'd go ahead and draw up our current five newcomers again:









Who will be the next newcomer to join these five all-stars? We'll find out in about two weeks or so.
Very well-made there. But yeah, even though March had no character reveals, it still gave us a good deal of new stuff for us to talk about.
 

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Sorry, but that looks WAY too much like a Marth re-hash to me. Nice to see some new leaks coming in, i'm looking forward to legit newcomers though.

Speaking of which, I think we'll be seeing a less-hyped newcomer in this month's direct. Less hyped newcomers being shown off= all the hype buildup for E3. With that being said, Chrom/ Lucina, Mii's, Takamaru, Krystal, Isaac, Shulk, or the return of Snake could be in the realm of possibility. Again, those are what I think are likely, but I know plenty of you can beg to differ. Just know that this is what I think is likely :)
 

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Sorry, but that looks WAY too much like a Marth re-hash to me. Nice to see some new leaks coming in, i'm looking forward to legit newcomers though.

Speaking of which, I think we'll be seeing a less-hyped newcomer in this month's direct. Less hyped newcomers being shown off= all the hype buildup for E3. With that being said, Chrom/ Lucina, Mii's, Takamaru, Krystal, Isaac, Shulk, or the return of Snake could be in the realm of possibility. Again, those are what I think are likely, but I know plenty of you can beg to differ. Just know that this is what I think is likely :)
No, I think that makes sense. I would think that the really big names (third parties and the most wanted characters in the world) would be shown off at E3. So logically that makes the lesser characters more Direct material than anything else.
 

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If this leak is real, then we can safely assume:

A: This is just video. There's no way this guy got it into his house.
B: This guy is someone on the NoA team. Probably a translator. Maybe Nintendo of [Non-American English Speaking Country], but America seems the most likely.
C: This guy was probably upset with Nintendo and decided to leak it to get even. Maybe he was fired or going to be fired (or something similar). Would explain the middle finger and the timing, honestly. He wants to leak stuff to get even, but doesn't want to get caught, so he does it April Fool's day.
D: Chrom is probably a character. Not an assist. No one would go through so much trouble to leak an assist.
 

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The **** would anyone with a stable job (especially for a big company like Nintendo) have that ****ty of a room?

Me also thinks you don't get to the point in your career where you get behind the scenes Smash stuff, then go "CHROM?!?!?!?!? Y NOT ROOOOOOOY" when you find out that Chrom is a character. I feel like that sort of petty outrage would be beneath you.
 
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So now that Chrom has been "leaked", regardless of whether it's legit or not, I really need somebody to sell me on Chrom. Sakurai says he wants more diversity in the roster, that newcomers have to have something that makes them unique, and then out of all of the potential Fire Emblem newcomers, he picks a blue-haired male lead who uses the same sword as Marth? Now granted, I haven't ever played Fire Emblem, but I've done my research, and it seems that given the gender distribution of the characters in the series, Fire Emblem ought to have some female representation. Lucina, in terms of design, is really not too distinct from Chrom or Marth, but she at least isn't another dude. However, Anna would have a lot more to offer than Chrom, both in terms of representing the series as a whole and in terms of having a unique character design and potentially unique moveset. Why is Chrom a more ideal candidate than her, beyond being the "main" lord of the most recent game? What could he bring to the table to set him apart? And moreover, what would make me, and the millions of other Smash players who are not Fire Emblem fans, want to play as him? Believe it or not, the "look" of a character is an important factor in making them stand out, and there's very little about Chrom's "look" that I find remotely interesting. And he comes from a series with hundreds of playable characters, nearly all of whom are more distinct from the existing Smash reps. There are people who turn into dragons for Christ's sake! Why should another blue-haired pretty boy swordsman get in over everyone else?

For that matter, somebody needs to sell me on Shulk too. I have not played Xenoblade, but it seems like a good game with some really creative ideas (I think it's really cool that the world is actually the fallen bodies of two giant robots). But to someone who hasn't played it, Shulk looks very much like a "Generic JRPG guy". A blandly handsome white guy with messy blond hair, too much metal **** all over his clothes, a weird little vest that doesn't cover his whole torso, and a bigass sword the size of his entire body that he can somehow wield with one hand. I know it's a special sword, the "Monado", but all JRPG heroes have special swords, so what makes this sword specialer? He's got a turtle neck, but so did Cloud, the original Generic JRPG guy. I'm really not interested in having a "Generic JRPG guy" in Smash Bros, not in the least, but despite the blah design of its protagonist, Xenoblade seems like it takes place in a unique and creatively constructed world, so I'm willing to give Shulk a chance if somebody can make a case for me that he is not a "Generic JRPG guy".

I guess I'm asking what makes people think these characters are unique enough to deserve to bump shoulders with icons like Mario and Link and Samus? Because they don't make a very good first impression.
 
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So now that Chrom has been "leaked", regardless of whether it's legit or not, I really need somebody to sell me on Chrom. Sakurai says he wants more diversity in the roster, that newcomers have to have something that makes them unique, and then out of all of the potential Fire Emblem newcomers, he picks a blue-haired male lead who uses the same sword as Marth? Now granted, I haven't ever played Fire Emblem, but I've done my research, and it seems that given the gender distribution of the characters in the series, Fire Emblem ought to have some female representation. Lucina, in terms of design, is really not too distinct from Chrom or Marth, but she at least isn't another dude. However, Anna would have a lot more to offer than Chrom, both in terms of representing the series as a whole and in terms of having a unique character design and potentially unique moveset. Why is Chrom a more ideal candidate than her, beyond being the "main" lord of the most recent game? What could he bring to the table to set him apart? And moreover, what would make me, and the millions of other Smash players who are not Fire Emblem fans, want to play as him? Believe it or not, the "look" of a character is an important factor in making them stand out, and there's very little about Chrom's "look" that I find remotely interesting. And he comes from a series with hundreds of playable characters, nearly all of whom are more distinct from the existing Smash reps. There are people who turn into dragons for Christ's sake! Why should another blue-haired pretty boy swordsman get in over everyone else?
Well, one reason is that Chrom covers some of the things not represented from Fire Emblem in a Smash context. With his Great Lord promotion, he can use swords and lances, two thirds of the weapon triangle. Fire Emblem's a strategy game, so what better way to showcase that than to make Chrom a stance-switching character? Not to mention he'd be the first Fire Emblem character with a projectile.

As well, there is potential for him to use the Shield of Seals. Marth doesn't use it, so it's fair game! Holy fire-imbued shield bashes are cool, brah. Chrom can also take use of his skills from Awakening. Particularly, Sol and Luna, the two halves of Aether. Unlike Ike who uses them in their combined forms, Chrom can use them separately for different attacks.

Another promising feature is that Chrom eventually upgrades to the Exalted Falchion, which is more powerful than the basic version and has a healing factor. This translates well into Smash, I feel. Plus, it looks awesome.



So yeah, that's some of what Chrom can do. Naysayers will try to demean these as "convoluted gimmicks," but that's mainly because they think Sakurai lacks any originality. :p
 

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Well, one reason is that Chrom covers some of the things not represented from Fire Emblem in a Smash context. With his Great Lord promotion, he can use swords and lances, two thirds of the weapon triangle. Fire Emblem's a strategy game, so what better way to showcase that than to make Chrom a stance-switching character? Not to mention he'd be the first Fire Emblem character with a projectile.

As well, there is potential for him to use the Shield of Seals. Marth doesn't use it, so it's fair game! Holy fire-imbued shield bashes are cool, brah. Chrom can also take use of his skills from Awakening. Particularly, Sol and Luna, the two halves of Aether. Unlike Ike who uses them in their combined forms, Chrom can use them separately for different attacks.

Another promising feature is that Chrom eventually upgrades to the Exalted Falchion, which is more powerful than the basic version and has a healing factor. This translates well into Smash, I feel. Plus, it looks awesome.



So yeah, that's some of what Chrom can do. Naysayers will try to demean these as "convoluted gimmicks," but that's mainly because they think Sakurai lacks any originality. :p
The man didn't even give Mega Man a goddamned punching attack! Unoriginal, my ass!

But yeah, that Chrom leak looks pretty legit to me. I'll have to check out what people are saying on the R&L.
 

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I'm sorry but I refuse to believe ANYTHING I see on April Fool's Day as a legit leak no matter how good the model looks.

Chrom probably will get in Smash, but I can't take this 'leak' as serious proof right now.
 

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Well, one reason is that Chrom covers some of the things not represented from Fire Emblem in a Smash context. With his Great Lord promotion, he can use swords and lances, two thirds of the weapon triangle. Fire Emblem's a strategy game, so what better way to showcase that than to make Chrom a stance-switching character? Not to mention he'd be the first Fire Emblem character with a projectile.

As well, there is potential for him to use the Shield of Seals. Marth doesn't use it, so it's fair game! Holy fire-imbued shield bashes are cool, brah. Chrom can also take use of his skills from Awakening. Particularly, Sol and Luna, the two halves of Aether. Unlike Ike who uses them in their combined forms, Chrom can use them separately for different attacks.

Another promising feature is that Chrom eventually upgrades to the Exalted Falchion, which is more powerful than the basic version and has a healing factor. This translates well into Smash, I feel. Plus, it looks awesome.



So yeah, that's some of what Chrom can do. Naysayers will try to demean these as "convoluted gimmicks," but that's mainly because they think Sakurai lacks any originality. :p
No, I think some naysayers would say that some of those things, particularly Chrom's ability to use spears, are not at all tied to his character and only a minor upgrade he can potentially get later on in the game. Why base an entire moveset and playstyle around such a small detail? That would be like Mario using a moveset entirely based off of F.L.U.D.D. water attacks.
 
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The guy should steer that middle finger a little more to the right so to face that hideous Other M poster.
I'd rather he steered it to the left and blocked the Irate Gamer.

The fact he has both that and an Other M poster confirms it's a troll image. Not hard to put an image you shopped onto a television, what do people think, this random guy has the game? The only legit leak would be on a developer console.
 
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I'll need to see more proficient proof that this is real before I even begin taking it seriously. There's too much fishy stuff to make me think otherwise. Though I heard someone mention he had a sword with healing powers. So if Chrom was added, I guess that'd be cool. Just as long as the weapon is balanced properly.
 
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I thought at first this was an Arbiter Grounds stage, but yeah, nothing to indicate that outside of general color scheme and if the spring/spike isn't an item it's not from that dungeon.
 

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Huh, maybe it is from the Stage Builder. I figured that the spikes were part of the stage. But the spring definitely seemed like an item to me. Still, I kind of like the theory that it's a Pandora's Tower stage or a Kid Icarus one. Either way, it's all fine with me.
 
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Also new topic, but am I the only person that thinks people are too quick to label something as unoriginal, or at least drab?
Yes and no. As with the Little Mac example, you have some people who are just entirely clueless as to what skillsets newcomer candidates can bring to the table. On the other hand, you have people who recognize skillsets, but have higher standards for uniqueness in newcomers. The Mii and Dixie examples work nicely here. Have characters ever had an entire moveset of sport-related props? No. Are there already characters with entire movesets consisting of swung props? Yes, Game & Watch and now Villager. Have characters ever hit people with hair? No. Is swung hair functionally unique? No, it's a generic conical hitbox like the tails of Yoshi or Fox.

Then, there's the whole gap between what unique attacks characters could use in Smash versus what unique attacks characters are likely to use in Smash. Like, Chrom switching stances is a unique fan-idea, sure, but would it ever be included instead of a "middle ground between Marth and Ike" moveset?
 
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That's a good point. There is a misconception that a generic character cannot be unique, as perfectly demonstrated by Little Mac. There is no other fighter who only boxes and has the playstyle that Mac utilizes, but it's hard to see past the fact he "just punches." There are other factors that can be easily ignored that go into making an interesting newcomer. Sometimes the most boring sounding characters can turn out to be the most fascinating newcomers for what they bring to Smash Bros, because they have a limited pool of moves - the way they use the moves is totally fresh to Smash Bros.

To use a K. Rool example, some may see his heavyweight status as a detraction, in truth I feel that he can shed a new light on the archetype that isn't possible using the current heavyweights. Another good example is Rosalina, who may seem a bad choice to use generic Luma minions, but the way Sakurai went about it is extremely refreshing and genuinely innovative.
 
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Good afternoon fellow Smash Fans. Well, surprisingly we didn't get any kind of trolling pic of the day from Sakurai, which is slightly disappointing. But aside from that, while nothing interesting happened today, I took the time to redesign a fan favorite of many, a character that many are hoping to return, and no, I don't pick favorites from this franchise, Roy!


And this April Fools layout is a bit...obnoxious. :p
 
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After giving it some thought (and no, this isn't related to April Fools, I kind of messed up on timing to discuss this...), I've grown to like the idea of the Wandering Samurai (or "Samurai Steve" as he's known in Europe) from Rhythm Heaven almost as much as the Wrestler.



He's been featured in each of the Rhythm Heaven's so far, and is even featured in Game & Wario in one of the microgames in 9-Volt's Gamer stage.


Yeah, there's another samurai in the running (Takamaru), but I don't see the two as competitors; Takamaru would be more projectile based while Wandering Samurai/Samurai Steve would put full emphasis on close-range and rhythm-based strikes reflective of each of the Samurai Slice stages throughout the franchise.

 
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Like I've said, it doesn't change the fact that he's a likely character to end up in Smash Bros. It was a very well made fake though. I give that guy quite a bit of credit.
 

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After giving it some thought (and no, this isn't related to April Fools, I kind of messed up on timing to discuss this...), I've grown to like the idea of the Wandering Samurai (or "Samurai Steve" as he's known in Europe) from Rhythm Heaven almost as much as the Wrestler.



He's been featured in each of the Rhythm Heaven's so far, and is even featured in Game & Wario in one of the microgames in 9-Volt's Gamer stage.


Yeah, there's another samurai in the running (Takamaru), but I don't see the two as competitors; Takamaru would be more projectile based while Wandering Samurai/Samurai Steve would put full emphasis on close-range and rhythm-based strikes reflective of each of the Samurai Slice stages throughout the franchise.

Still would rather marshal.


you know, pretty much the most boring character in the franchise.

The guy should steer that middle finger a little more to the right so to face that hideous Other M poster.
It's OBVIOUSLY an ET: Other World poster and you know it.
 
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omg how could I miss this.

Not to derail the current subject, but I must swiftly butt in.

I'm doing a wee bit or preliminary research and won't be using this information for awhile, but I'll keep in mind what I get.

Anyway, here is my question. If Snake is in fact confirmed to not be playable in Super Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS, would you support a movement to try and get him back?

The reason I ask this is that I plan on doing so considering Snake is my favorite character to play as most of the time in Smash Bros Brawl, and I'm simply trying to get opinions on the idea.

Thanks in advance! I truly appreciate it.
On the chance that Snake is cut, of course I'd support a movement. Granted, I'd really rather have no cuts if possible, however, 3rd parties are a bigger issue for me. If Snake is cut, will we still get Metal Gear content? I'd hate to lose an entire franchise. plus if we don't get any content, that means we won't see a Raiden cameo, most likely as a sticker (or equivalent) like before. No good, no good. Snake DLC (and Metal Gear content like stages if we lose the franchise) if possible is something I'd be overjoyed to see if he doesn't get in.

Although I play Snake time to time, I'd really miss his character and gameplay if he were gone. Man, Snake helped save the Smash universe, and imagine if he doesn't return next game? He'll probably be insulted! ;) :laugh: Still, given the circumstances and even the Kojima interview, we still don't know Snake's fate -- I'd rather stay neutral atm.
 

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omg how could I miss this.


On the chance that Snake is cut, of course I'd support a movement. Granted, I'd really rather have no cuts if possible, however, 3rd parties are a bigger issue for me. If Snake is cut, will we still get Metal Gear content? I'd hate to lose an entire franchise. plus if we don't get any content, that means we won't see a Raiden cameo, most likely as a sticker (or equivalent) like before. No good, no good. Snake DLC (and Metal Gear content like stages if we lose the franchise) if possible is something I'd be overjoyed to see if he doesn't get in.

Although I play Snake time to time, I'd really miss his character and gameplay if he were gone. Man, Snake helped save the Smash universe, and imagine if he doesn't return next game? He'll probably be insulted! ;) :laugh: Still, given the circumstances and even the Kojima interview, we still don't know Snake's fate -- I'd rather stay neutral atm.
See I DO want to do this, but I feel like the easiest outcome would be to have him added back if a new Project M is made. That's obviously up in the air, but we'll see. If he doesn't make it, then chances are I'd make a thread and get it started.
 

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That leak may have been fake, but I'm not crying. Here's why!

1. The Palutena leak hasn't been bombed yet
2. Chrom still has a high chance
3. The chance of a Nintendo Direct this month is high
 
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