Character Discussion Thread

[AEMehr]

My roster, wrote out all my reasoning but my computer froze. So, I think theres a decent chance that Robin and Chrom could be switched ith one another, as well as Kalos for Kanto. Takamaru and Shulk are other characters I could see being included, if the roster was larger.

47 Characters is nice.
• Snake is the only cut, which makes sense.
• Top row looks nice, same as the second. My only "complaint" is probably the removal of the Kalos Trainer (Even if it's a safety precaution or something like that), but I can certainly see the possibility of the Trainer being an alternate costume of sorts.
• Tingle is welcome, but I doubt we'll see him before another Retro character. Sakurai has expressed interest in breathing new life into older characters, so the fact that one is missing from the main roster is a bit alarming. Perhaps switch Tingle's position with Takamaru's?
• Chrom or Robin are fine choices.
• Next Row is fine and Final Row are fine as well.

So to recap, my advice is too:

1. Consider switching Tingle and Takamaru.
2. Consider removing Kalos Trainer entirely, or demote him to a potential alternate costume.
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Either way I think it's a good and probable roster, but no Retro character is a pretty big risk. Especially with a larger amount of characters.

EDIT:
You know what, I'll toss in my current roster too.

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There really isn't much to say, other than why Mach Rider is my retro choice:​

• Sakurai would like to revive forgotten franchises and I feel that Mach Rider is a forgotten franchise. With absolutely little to no love for the game since conception outside of Smash. This makes Mach the perfect blank slate for Sakurai to mold into something interesting, he also has shown a liking to the character before development of Melee.
• When compared to the stronger competition (Takamaru and Lip) Mach is much less relevant than these two. The former having several cameo appearances in recent years while the latter has had a title or two during the DS era (although she was not present in said game) and a couple of cameos as well. This would make Mach Rider the fresher face of the three to make a comeback.
• I pretty much chose him for organizational purposes, he can easily be replaced with any other retro character. I just thought the roster looked it's best with Mach on it.​

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Not to derail the current subject, but I must swiftly butt in.

I'm doing a wee bit or preliminary research and won't be using this information for awhile, but I'll keep in mind what I get.

Anyway, here is my question. If Snake is in fact confirmed to not be playable in Super Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS, would you support a movement to try and get him back?

The reason I ask this is that I plan on doing so considering Snake is my favorite character to play as most of the time in Smash Bros Brawl, and I'm simply trying to get opinions on the idea.

Thanks in advance! I truly appreciate it.

The problem with petitions is that they tend to fall on deaf ears when they involve Nintendo's work.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The problem with petitions is that they tend to fall on deaf ears when they involve Nintendo's work.

Oh believe me, I know. That's why something like this will need lots of support

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Oh believe me, I know. That's why something like this will need lots of support

Even then, Nintendo would likely be completely oblivious to the petition.

 

[BluePikmin11]

AEM.. are you going to stick with Muddy Mole or Mach Rider?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Not to derail the current subject, but I must swiftly butt in.

I'm doing a wee bit or preliminary research and won't be using this information for awhile, but I'll keep in mind what I get.

Anyway, here is my question. If Snake is in fact confirmed to not be playable in Super Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS, would you support a movement to try and get him back?

The reason I ask this is that I plan on doing so considering Snake is my favorite character to play as most of the time in Smash Bros Brawl, and I'm simply trying to get opinions on the idea.

Thanks in advance! I truly appreciate it.

Right here, man!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Okay guys here's the deal.

As of right now, I will not be doing what I have been claiming I will do in case of Snake's absence. Here's why.

1) Setting a precedent. While I'm rather passionate about it, starting something like this would lead to nasty... NASTY results leading to support for every/any character cut from Smash. That could get bad.
2) Project M. If Snake gets cut, he will be one of the top prospects to be added in the Wii U version. I don't like the wait, but it is a necessary and possible one.

We don't know his fate just yet, but Snake will stay in Smash one way or another. He will.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Okay guys here's the deal.

As of right now, I will not be doing what I have been claiming I will do in case of Snake's absence. Here's why.

1) Setting a precedent. While I'm rather passionate about it, starting something like this would lead to nasty... NASTY results leading to support for every/any character cut from Smash. That could get bad.
2) Project M. If Snake gets cut, he will be one of the top prospects to be added in the Wii U version. I don't like the wait, but it is a necessary and possible one.

We don't know his fate just yet, but Snake will stay in Smash one way or another. He will.

I wouldn't worry about Snake not returning, as it seems pretty likely that he will.

But in the case he doesn't, I guess I'm going to have to be the one to start leading to the creation of the so called, nasty results.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I wouldn't worry about Snake not returning, as it seems pretty likely that he will.

But in the case he doesn't, I guess I'm going to have to be the one to start leading to the creation of the so called, nasty results.

The problem with the precedent it sets is that if Snake comes back because of it, then literally ANY character would be put up on a similar case. What would stop a Pichu movement? They already set the precedent.

It's a slippery slope. We can't jump to any conclusions right now, but at the end of the day there isn't a real reason to do so. If he doesn't get in, he'll certainly be added to Project M Wii U, which would produce faster, and possibly better results.

 

[Dairz]

If he doesn't get in, he'll certainly be added to Project M Wii U, which would produce faster, and possibly better results.

I thought the creators of Project M weren't going to make a Wii U mod...

 

[Substitution]

I thought the creators of Project M weren't going to make a Wii U mod...

Knowing the circumstances.
I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Autumn ♫]

The problem with the precedent it sets is that if Snake comes back because of it, then literally ANY character would be put up on a similar case. What would stop a Pichu movement? They already set the precedent.

It's a slippery slope. We can't jump to any conclusions right now, but at the end of the day there isn't a real reason to do so. If he doesn't get in, he'll certainly be added to Project M Wii U, which would produce faster, and possibly better results.

The thing with other characters that were cut (unless they were from Brawl) they would probably not have as big of a following. The biggest I can think of is Roy, assuming Mewtwo returns and Roy doesn't. Heck, I honestly don't even see Wolf or Lucas getting as much support as Snake for a return.

We're going to get a Project M Wii U? I honestly haven't heard anything about it. But, like I said earlier, I think Snake will return this Smash. There's nothing much pointing towards his disclusion that wasn't in Brawl.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

There's nothing much pointing towards his disclusion that wasn't in Brawl.

Well, don't quote me on this, but Nintendo doesn't really make the Metal Gear Solid series stand out like they do MegaMan and Sonic, all we got in the recent years as far as Metal Gear was a 3DS Remake for Snake Eater.

But I still support Snake coming back, primarily because of the codec taunts and fans wanting him back, plus the snaking suspicion that Kojima was bluffing about him not knowing if Snake would return.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I don't know, but I wouldn't doubt it. There's supposed to be a Homebrewer for Wii U out sometime this year.

I just don't want to waste time on it if it has an easy resolution via new Project M.

 

[Substitution]

I don't know, but I wouldn't doubt it. There's supposed to be a Homebrewer for Wii U out sometime this year.

I just don't want to waste time on it if it has an easy resolution via new Project M.

And the 3DS will most likely get the shortest stick.
Yipee...

 

[Muster]

And the 3DS will most likely get the shortest stick.
Yipee...

Well, what do you expect? The 3ds version is taking measures to cut down the game so it will fit on the portable console, and PM devs will likely only work on the version of the game that will be played most at tournaments.

Well, don't quote me on this, but Nintendo doesn't really make the Metal Gear Solid series stand out like they do MegaMan and Sonic, all we got in the recent years as far as Metal Gear was a 3DS Remake for Snake Eater.

Gonna quote you on this.

Spoiler

This is the special snakeskin 3ds that came bundled with special edition versions of mgs3d. There was also a kh3d bundled special 3ds, but i don't know of others.

 

[AEMehr]

AEM.. are you going to stick with Muddy Mole or Mach Rider?

Ha well, I'm fine with either. Muddy wasn't on my previous roster and I just figured the roster seemed to be much more well organized with Mach in his place.

I feel that the same factors I brought up for Mach Rider easily fits the bill for Muddy, maybe even more to an extent. Since he hasn't been in anything at all Mole Mania.

 

[Deleted member]

Eventually, I can see Project M on Wii U, but the real question is why. A Wii U costs insurmountably more than a Wii. If you're going to buy either just for Project M it's obviously going to be the Wii. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, there is too small of an install base to make it worthwhile.

 

[Substitution]

Well, what do you expect? The 3ds version is taking measures to cut down the game so it will fit on the portable console, and PM devs will likely only work on the version of the game that will be played most at tournaments.

Ah yes.
I do humbly apologize for my temper. I shouldn't have stepped my boundaries.
If you excuse me, I'll be on my way. Oh, no need to hold the door, I can do it myself.

Oh, and good luck with wireless controllers. You'll need it.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Ah yes.
I do humbly apologize for my temper. I shouldn't have stepped my boundaries.
If you excuse me, I'll be on my way. Oh, no need to hold the door, I can do it myself.

Oh, and good luck with wireless controllers. You'll need it.

There are adapters to use gamecube controllers on Wii U. I own two of them and they work fine.

The Wii U Pro Controllers have incredible potential as well. What's your point?

 

[Substitution]

There are adapters to use gamecube controllers on Wii U. I own two of them and they work fine.

The Wii U Pro Controllers have incredible potential as well. What's your point?

But are they wired?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

But are they wired?

Pro Controllers? Nope.

Gamecube adapters are, but you simply plug them into the Wiimotes. So it's essentially wireless.

 

[Pacack]

Keep in mind that we're not in 2002 anymore. Wireless controllers have significantly improved. Remember when we had someone playing with a Wii Remote and Nunchuck at a tournament? No issues whatsoever. I'm positive that it'll be fine...so long as you don't have 100 connected at once.

 

[9Volt]

The problem with the precedent it sets is that if Snake comes back because of it, then literally ANY character would be put up on a similar case. What would stop a Pichu movement? They already set the precedent.

It's a slippery slope. We can't jump to any conclusions right now, but at the end of the day there isn't a real reason to do so. If he doesn't get in, he'll certainly be added to Project M Wii U, which would produce faster, and possibly better results.

Wii U is not more hard to create a mod tham Wii? Project M Wii U can take more time tham the first....

 

[Muster]

Keep in mind that we're not in 2002 anymore. Wireless controllers have significantly improved. Remember when we had someone playing with a Wii Remote and Nunchuck at a tournament? No issues whatsoever. I'm positive that it'll be fine...so long as you don't have 100 connected at once.

Somebody did the math, and with the Wii u's bluetooth connections, we'll need 15,000 different connections in a small area for input lag to even exist. More than the insanely tiny lag that it shares with a wired controller

So yeah, no trouble whatsoever. (besides syncing with different consoles)

 

[Deleted member]

The Wii U not only is harder to crack, it has a fraction of the amount of users who'd actually want to play Project M.

It'll take years before they get to it. But they will, eventually.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah, which is why you guys shouldn't expect character hacks till the Wii U internet shuts down. (Which will take many years)

 

[Gune]

Yeah, which is why you guys shouldn't expect character hacks till the Wii U internet shuts down. (Which will take many years)

Or untill the next nintendo console has been on the market for a couple years or so.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Well, Wii U homebrew, comes out this year, and brawls internet is gone in may, so as long as the development team gets to work as quickly as possible, they could get characters out in by 2016-2018

 

[Sobreviviente]

The problem with the precedent it sets is that if Snake comes back because of it, then literally ANY character would be put up on a similar case. What would stop a Pichu movement? They already set the precedent.

?
Pichu's return would be awesome

 

[Substitution]

?
Pichu's return would be awesome

You know, Pichu would be a good troll reveal...

 

[Sobreviviente]

You know, Pichu would be a good troll reveal...

If pichu is back, everyone is back... i dont see how is that a troll reveal, but i guess.

 

[Gune]

You know, Pichu would be a good troll reveal...

To early for troll reveals way to early, its just gonna piss people off.

 

[BluePikmin11]

What about a Goku reveal if you know what I mean?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

What about a Goku reveal if you know what I mean?

Alrighty then.

 

[Substitution]

If pichu is back, everyone is back... i dont see how is that a troll reveal, but i guess.

Well, let me put it this way.

If anything, Pichu might be the best April Fools reveal.
It's perfect.

To early for troll reveals way to early, its just gonna piss people off.

Exactly.

 

[Joe D.]

There are adapters to use gamecube controllers on Wii U. I own two of them and they work fine.

The Wii U Pro Controllers have incredible potential as well. What's your point?

Can you point me to where I can get those? I can't properly play my smash without my trusty Orange controller!

 

[Starcutter]

guys, remember today's POTD? what if Luigi's final smash is a transformation final smash like Samus?

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

guys, remember today's POTD? what if Luigi's final smash is a transformation final smash like Samus?

then what would he turn into with his poltergust?

 

[Parmite]

guys, remember today's POTD? what if Luigi's final smash is a transformation final smash like Samus?

What would he change into?