Character Discussion Thread

[Croph]

http://nintendoeverything.com/gba-titles-to-begin-hitting-wii-u-next-week/

Hmmm. Andy or any other Wars character for next Nintendo Direct ?

FE6 eShop release, please! IS, now's your chance to give Roy a proper Western introduction! GO! of course remakes are fine too

But that's interesting news nonetheless.

 

[UltimateWario]

They need to remake Holy War already, so I can find out what all the hype's about (and not have to deal with awful translation).

Are there any cool Holy War characters that would be great in Smash?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

That can't be the only reason though, right? There are plenty of other characters that are/were considered pretty terrible, but they're far from "unpopular".

Actually, the latest tier list as of pre-Brawl was the 2006 one, and Mewtwo was dead last on that one, just to elaborate on it. Many of the other bad characters were either big Nintendo stars (Kirby, Yoshi, Bowser) or also disliked (Pichu, Young Link, G&W.)

I know that there are several likely reasons for why Mewtwo was cut. What I'm trying to figure out is what exactly made him unpopular, or at least why some people claim he was.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm strictly speaking about Mewtwo's popularity pre-Brawl, not what contributed to his removal.

It's a combination of his awkward playstyle, being a bad character overall, and his fading popularity inside the Pokémon franchise itself. Mewtwo's floaty fighting style never fit very well in Melee, and it was as if he couldn't decide whether he wanted to be a heavy hitter or what he wanted to be. On the other side of the bowl, Mewtwo was beginning to fade away in the Pokémon franchise. In 4th Gen legendaries became much more common, and Mewtwo hadn't seen the spotlight in a long time, and on top of it all a new Pokémon had claimed his crown as the most powerful Pokémon ever. Suddenly he wasn't very notable anymore, he was just like every other legendary Pokémon, perhaps even less important than many of them due to not being a game mascot. Then there was also Lucario, who was a very popular Pokémon and character request at the time, and people were already drawing comparisons between Lucario's aura powers and Mewtwo's psychic powers back then, which is where the fight began to begin with. There were a lot of factors that tied into Mewtwo getting cut from Brawl, and to be fair not that many people were furious about it back then, they were too busy complaining that Geno and Ridley weren't in. It's only shortly before SSB4's announcement that requests to bring him back exploded suddenly again, coincidentally when Mewtwo was brought back into the spotlight in Pokémon.

 

[Staarih]

I'm confident on Mewtwo returning! ...and that's what I give to this Mewtwo discussion haha!

On a random note, something just occurred to me: have we heard any of the newcomers' (or veterans to that matter) voices yet? We've had trailers and whatnot but I can't recall if any voices can be heard. All I do remember is Wii Fit Trainer speaking something in the Developers Direct but that's about it. Or will the likes of Mega Man and Villager even have a voice? I don't have experience in their games so I'm not sure. I'd presume Rosalina has her calm "ooh's" and "aah's" at least. And Little Mac - all we heard was Doc Louis in his trailer. What do you think (and if we've heard them somewhere please let me know haha!)?

 

[Substitution]

On a random note, something just occurred to me: have we heard any of the newcomers' (or veterans to that matter) voices yet? We've had trailers and whatnot but I can't recall if any voices can be heard. All I do remember is Wii Fit Trainer speaking something in the Developers Direct but that's about it. Or will the likes of Mega Man and Villager even have a voice? I don't have experience in their games so I'm not sure. I'd presume Rosalina has her calm "ooh's" and "aah's" at least. And Little Mac - all we heard was Doc Louis in his trailer. What do you think (and if we've heard them somewhere please let me know haha!)?

Megaman and Villager most likely won't. As they both can be considered "silent protagonists".
Little Mac on the other hand, probably.

 

[Parmite]

Here's how it's going down. Mother 3 suprise NA release on Virtual Console. A few days before or after it comes out, boom, Lucas make his return. Now I know what you're thinking. "Ness before Lucas? How could that be?" Here's the answer. It could be.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Here's how it's going down. Mother 3 suprise NA release on Virtual Console. A few days before or after it comes out, Lucas make his return. Now I know what you're thinking. "Ness before Lucas? How could that be?" Here's the answer. It could be.

I honestly think they'd both be confirmed at E3.

 

[Parmite]

I honestly think they'd both be confirmed at E3.

I'm not sure they'll wait that long.

 

[CombatScouter]

Actually, the latest tier list as of pre-Brawl was the 2006 one, and Mewtwo was dead last on that one, just to elaborate on it. Many of the other bad characters were either big Nintendo stars (Kirby, Yoshi, Bowser) or also disliked (Pichu, Young Link, G&W.)



It's a combination of his awkward playstyle, being a bad character overall, and his fading popularity inside the Pokémon franchise itself. Mewtwo's floaty fighting style never fit very well in Melee, and it was as if he couldn't decide whether he wanted to be a heavy hitter or what he wanted to be. On the other side of the bowl, Mewtwo was beginning to fade away in the Pokémon franchise. In 4th Gen legendaries became much more common, and Mewtwo hadn't seen the spotlight in a long time, and on top of it all a new Pokémon had claimed his crown as the most powerful Pokémon ever. Suddenly he wasn't very notable anymore, he was just like every other legendary Pokémon, perhaps even less important than many of them due to not being a game mascot. Then there was also Lucario, who was a very popular Pokémon and character request at the time, and people were already drawing comparisons between Lucario's aura powers and Mewtwo's psychic powers back then, which is where the fight began to begin with. There were a lot of factors that tied into Mewtwo getting cut from Brawl, and to be fair not that many people were furious about it back then, they were too busy complaining that Geno and Ridley weren't in. It's only shortly before SSB4's announcement that requests to bring him back exploded suddenly again, coincidentally when Mewtwo was brought back into the spotlight in Pokémon.

That sounds reasonable to me.

I just see so many people angered nowadays at the fact that Mewtwo was cut, so it's difficult to discern whether many people actually did care back then, if everybody suddenly "remembered" him once he was put back into the spotlight in Pokemon, or it's closer to a mix of both.

 

[Substitution]

That sounds reasonable to me.

I just see so many people angered nowadays at the fact that Mewtwo was cut, so it's difficult to discern whether many people actually did care back then, if everybody suddenly "remembered" him once he was put back into the spotlight in Pokemon, or it's closer to a mix of both.

The human mind is finicky that way.
Never knowing what it's got till it's gone.

 

[Sehnsucht]

The reason I want Mewtwo is because in the very short total time I played Melee (I had it at most for a month), he was the character that left the greatest impact on my young and malleable mind.

I was super hyped to see Mewtwo in the game -- when I found out he was in the game, I did the Leave Your Gamecube On Overnight thing and played the crap out of him. Everything about him appealed to me -- his badassery, his general visual design, his stoic temperament, his playstyle (floaty/telporty/mindgamey), my familiarity with Generation One of Pokemon and nothing else. He was truly MewToo Cool For School.

I was thus bummed greatly when he was absent from Brawl. I was however introduced to Lucario, whom I knew nothing about. I ended up playing with him a lot, and have acquired an appreciation for the character (glad he's back for SSB4), but he was no Mewtwo replacement. His absence was palpable.

The fact that he's very probable for SSB4, therefore, pleases me immensely. After so many years, I might just get the chance to rekindle a once-brief love gameplay affair on my screen. So gimme dat legendary booty, Psykurai. 8D

PS -- Ganondorf was also someone I used profusely in Melee. His mobility downgrade in Brawl was unfortunate, so I hope they tweak him for SSB4.

 

[False Sense]

The reason I want Mewtwo is because in the very short total time I played Melee (I had it at most for a month), he was the character that left the greatest impact on my young and malleable mind.

I was super hyped to see Mewtwo in the game -- when I found out he was in the game, I did the Leave Your Gamecube On Overnight thing and played the crap out of him. Everything about him appealed to me -- his badassery, his general visual design, his stoic temperament, his playstyle (floaty/telporty/mindgamey), my familiarity with Generation One of Pokemon and nothing else. He was truly MewToo Cool For School.

I was thus bummed greatly when he was absent from Brawl. I was however introduced to Lucario, whom I knew nothing about. I ended up playing with him a lot, and have acquired an appreciation for the character (glad he's back for SSB4), but he was no Mewtwo replacement. His absence was palpable.

The fact that he's very probable for SSB4, therefore, pleases me immensely. After so many years, I might just get the chance to rekindle a once-brief love gameplay affair on my screen. So gimme dat legendary booty, Psykurai. 8D

PS -- Ganondorf was also someone I used profusely in Melee. His mobility downgrade in Brawl was unfortunate, so I hope they tweak him for SSB4.

Stop copying my childhood.

 

[GangsterPuff]

I hope I don't see Ridley.

 

[Joe D.]

On a new topic, what does everyone think of Wonder Red? I think he's got a 40-50% chance. I mean, he could build the relationship between Nintendo and Platinum games, and he would be a true rep for a Wii U I.P.

 

[Parmite]

The reason I want Mewtwo is because in the very short total time I played Melee (I had it at most for a month), he was the character that left the greatest impact on my young and malleable mind.

I was super hyped to see Mewtwo in the game -- when I found out he was in the game, I did the Leave Your Gamecube On Overnight thing and played the crap out of him. Everything about him appealed to me -- his badassery, his general visual design, his stoic temperament, his playstyle (floaty/telporty/mindgamey), my familiarity with Generation One of Pokemon and nothing else. He was truly MewToo Cool For School.

I was thus bummed greatly when he was absent from Brawl. I was however introduced to Lucario, whom I knew nothing about. I ended up playing with him a lot, and have acquired an appreciation for the character (glad he's back for SSB4), but he was no Mewtwo replacement. His absence was palpable.

The fact that he's very probable for SSB4, therefore, pleases me immensely. After so many years, I might just get the chance to rekindle a once-brief love gameplay affair on my screen. So gimme dat legendary booty, Psykurai. 8D

PS -- Ganondorf was also someone I used profusely in Melee. His mobility downgrade in Brawl was unfortunate, so I hope they tweak him for SSB4.

Now that I think about it, I don't remember how I found out about the Leave Your Gamecube On Overnight thing. I think my brother read about it online, though I don't remember the internet back then. Man, it was weird though. Melee is the first game I ever played in my life. All I can remember is me barely knowing who Mario was and thinking Kirby was a girl. I also remember the time I fought Dr. Mario to unlock him. I staid home from school one day, and I was palying Smash, when the challenger approaching screen appeared. My older brother was definitely the better Smash player at the time (And to this day.) So I started freaking out, because he wasn't home. I decided to grow some balls and fight him on my own. And I won! (And he's my main. Weird.) Who would guess that getting a Gamecube and Melee would be the very first baby step into the amazing world of Nintendo. That's probably why Smash is my favorite game series of all time.

Sorry I got all nostalgic. Kinda all just burst out.

 

[False Sense]

On a new topic, what does everyone think of Wonder Red? I think he's got a 40-50% chance. I mean, he could build the relationship between Nintendo and Platinum games, and he would be a true rep for a Wii U I.P.

I'm not really sure about him, myself. I haven't done too much research into him, but to me he's always seemed a little too new and not quite significant enough to warrant a spot on the roster. However, if I'm dead wrong and someone would like to educate me otherwise, I'm open to some new ideas.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Now that I think about it, I don't remember how I found out about the Leave Your Gamecube On Overnight thing. I think my brother read about it online, though I don't remember the internet back then. Man, it was weird though. Melee is the first game I ever played in my life. All I can remember is me barely knowing who Mario was and thinking Kirby was a girl. I also remember the time I fought Dr. Mario to unlock him. I staid home from school one day, and I was palying Smash, when the challenger approaching screen appeared. My older brother was definitely the better Smash player at the time (And to this day.) So I started freaking out, because he wasn't home. I decided to grow some balls and fight him on my own. And I won! (And he's my main. Weird.) Who would guess that getting a Gamecube and Melee would be the very first baby step into the amazing world of Nintendo. That's probably why Smash is my favorite game series of all time.

Sorry I got all nostalgic. Kinda all just burst out.

I think I tried Melee in Middle School (perhaps 2004-2005). So I think I was able to find out how to unlock everyone online as a result of the era (i.e. the Internet wasn't as new).

My first exposure to gaming was with the N64 (via the Pokemon Stadium bundle). I later received Smash 64 among other great games. Moral of the story is that Smash is bomb.

 

[Parmite]

I think I tried Melee in Middle School (perhaps 2004-2005). So I think I was able to find out how to unlock everyone online as a result of the era (i.e. the Internet wasn't as new).

My first exposure to gaming was with the N64 (via the Pokemon Stadium bundle). I later received Smash 64 among other great games. Moral of the story is that Smash is bomb.

Seriously, thank God for Sakurai (And Nintendo in general) and his genius.

 

[NickerBocker]

Here's how it's going down. Mother 3 suprise NA release on Virtual Console. A few days before or after it comes out, boom, Lucas make his return. Now I know what you're thinking. "Ness before Lucas? How could that be?" Here's the answer. It could be.

Very possible but like what was said before:

I honestly think they'd both be confirmed at E3.

I have a good feeling that at E3 we will not only gey newcomers, but a batch of veterans as well. We got 9 veterans and 3 newcomers when the game was first shown, and seeing how many veterans we have left that are practically guaranteed, id say we get a few from the event. I mean out of:

• Yoshi
• Wario
• Ganondorf
• ZSS
• Ice Climbers
• ROB
• Metaknight
• Falco
• Cpt Falcon
• Jigglypuff
• Ness
• Lucas
• G&W

(Notice how I left a few out that I think have a possibiltiy of being cut.)

Were bound to get 2 or 3 more leading up to e3, which leaves us with quite a few to group in when the day comes. Even if we get only 1 newcomer and 3 veterans, that leaves plenty of announcements leading up to the release. We may also get a release date (or at the very least, a release window) come E3, which I would suspect to be around the holidays.

Bottom line is E3 is a perfect time to announce a batch of veterans, especially the obvious ones, along with a couple of newcomers to generate hype, with a release window.

Bam, internet explodes

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm not really sure about him, myself. I haven't done too much research into him, but to me he's always seemed a little too new and not quite significant enough to warrant a spot on the roster. However, if I'm dead wrong and someone would like to educate me otherwise, I'm open to some new ideas.

First off, I will say that the too new thing is a worthless argument that only leads to double standards.

Second, yes, I think we shouldn't put stock into the possibility of The Wonderful 101 getting more then a trophy cameo at best. But still, it would be appreciated.

 

[Joe D.]

First off, I will say that the too new thing is a worthless argument that only leads to double standards.

Second, yes, I think we shouldn't put stock into the possibility of The Wonderful 101 getting more then a trophy cameo at best. But still, it would be appreciated.

Well I think he was implying, "too new," as in the game was released after the roster was finalized. Correct me if i'm wromg though.

 

[False Sense]

First off, I will say that the too new thing is a worthless argument that only leads to double standards.

Second, yes, I think we shouldn't put stock into the possibility of The Wonderful 101 getting more then a trophy cameo at best. But still, it would be appreciated.

Well, I guess it could be argued that a series/game is too new to have actually existed when the roster was being finalized, but that's about it.

And, yeah, that's sort of what I've been thinking.

EDIT: It seems someone already already responded for me. How nice.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Well I think he was implying, "too new," as in the game was released after the roster was finalized. Correct me if i'm wromg though.

That is the only time where it would hold water.

But still, it's rather asinine that new series is a no go but new characters from an tried and true series is a-okay. It's either they're too new or not, don't use the double standard card.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

"Too new" doesn't exist.

We got Roy.

His game hadn't even come out yet.

Still, the character has to jump through the same hoops other characters do and that can be pretty hard for a new guy.

 

[Joe D.]

Well, I guess it could be argued that a series/game is too new to have actually existed when the roster was being finalized, but that's about it.

And, yeah, that's sort of what I've been thinking.

EDIT: It seems someone already already responded for me. How nice.

Haha sorry if I beat you to the punch, I know how annoying it gets when people answer for you.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

What does a guy have to do to get a character reveal? Sheesh. These updates are great and all, but this is getting boring.

I don't care who it is. I just want somebody tomorrow. I mean I'd prefer Ike, Falco or Pokemon Trainer, but whatever we get is fine by me.

 

[False Sense]

What does a guy have to do to get a character reveal? Sheesh. These updates are great and all, but this is getting boring.

I don't care who it is. I just want somebody tomorrow. I mean I'd prefer Ike, Falco or Pokemon Trainer, but whatever we get is fine by me.

Is there a reason a character would be revealed tomorrow? That'd be very nice, but is there something that would indicate the reveal of a character on that date?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Is there a reason a character would be revealed tomorrow? That'd be very nice, but is there something that would indicate the reveal of a character on that date?

No. But there isn't anything for the rest of the week either. It's a random reveal month anyway.

I'm not trying to complain again. I liked a lot of the updates. But I'm in desperate need of some character hype.

 

[Arcadenik]

Here's how it's going down. Mother 3 suprise NA release on Virtual Console. A few days before or after it comes out, boom, Lucas make his return. Now I know what you're thinking. "Ness before Lucas? How could that be?" Here's the answer. It could be.

Yes... just imagine.... if this happens... a mass epidemic of rectal bleeding will commence.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Everyone is in need of a character, it's been over a month. People are getting antsy. And not in a good way.

 

[False Sense]

Everyone is in need of a character, it's been over a month. People are getting antsy. And not in a good way.

Well, at the very least, we have had a pretty good month in terms of other reveals. We've gotten a few new stages, items, and some possible hints to character inclusions. But we really do need a character update soon. I'm expecting something this Friday, personally. Hopefully whatever it is will make our wait worth it. For now, let's just be patient for a little while longer.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Everyone is in need of a character, it's been over a month. People are getting antsy. And not in a good way.

I believe that all updates are hype worthy, but I don't know whose idea it was to space out the characters like this. I get one a month. But at least give them a consistent spacing. Almost 40 days without a character?

The characters overall, are usually the updates that pack the biggest punch. But I'll tell you, I do appreciate the updates, because some of them are interesting. But I think they should have revealed somebody last week.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Everyone is in need of a character, it's been over a month. People are getting antsy. And not in a good way.

Unless we're talking Ike or Captain Falcon, not really. I can wait out any winter.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

All of my angst will go away if we get somebody this week, then a newcomer in the next two weeks, and then another vet soon after that. But if we don't get anybody this month (which, defend all you want, would be a crock of ****), then my frustrations will be over 9000

 

[Sehnsucht]

I believe that all updates are hype worthy, but I don't know whose idea it was to space out the characters like this. I get one a month. But at least give them a consistent spacing. Almost 40 days without a character?

The characters overall, are usually the updates that pack the biggest punch. But I'll tell you, I do appreciate the updates, because some of them are interesting. But I think they should have revealed somebody last week.

Regular updates are like the Plateau, whereas Character Reveals are the Climax and subsequent Release.

The problem is that the longer Sakurai jerks his fanbase and keeps us in the Plateau phase, the more we all end up suffering from Blue Balls.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I just want a reveal.

 

[FlareHabanero]

By the way, you people would of went insane during Brawl speculation.

During that time, there was a really noticeable gap with news. Like between E3 2006 and March 2007, the only thing that was revealed was the return of Fox.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I want a reveal that will cause huge controversy.

 

[False Sense]

All of my angst will go away if we get somebody this week, then a newcomer in the next two weeks, and then another vet soon after that. But if we don't get anybody this month (which, defend all you want, would be a crock of ****), then my frustrations will be over 9000

Getting absolutely no character this month is pretty much unjustifiable, at this point. I'm alright with us going down from the previous two characters a month to one, but we've consistently received at least one character a month since the game was announced. And I'm sure at this point there are plenty of characters ready to be revealed at random. There's no reason not to reveal one sometime in the next few days.

I want a reveal that will cause huge controversy.

Well, we've got a ton of options there; for veterans we have Wolf, Lucas, Ike, R.O.B., Pokemon Trainer, even Jigglypuff for some. If we want to get into newcomers, characters like RIDLEY, K. Rool, Pac-Man, or Mii could cause quite a stir amongst the community, to say the least.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I just want a reveal.

I'm with this guy.

I seriously don't care who we get...Ganondorf, Zero Suit Samus...Ness...anybody. Just give me somebody.

Although...Ike would get the most out of me. Falco and PKMN Trainer are the next best thing for me at this point.