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That doesn't seem like something Serebii would do.
Dang, people are stupid.
As far as I know, there was a large faction of people from Serebii, like a group on the forums, but not Serebii himself. I have heard claims/rumors that Serebii himself spoke out against Mewtwo, but as far as I've been able to find, however, all he has done is document instances when other groups petitioned to have Mewtwo removed.
BALONEY!!! Ganondorf is much too famous for Zelda fans to get cut.
I believe you have misunderstood his point.
It doesn't matter! Ganondorf plays a huge role in the Zelda franchise, and had no right to get cut for such dumb reason as a TIER LIST!!
Agreed. That's the point.
That's... never gonna happen. Sure, there will be a higher quantity of obscure choices amongst the newcomer pool, but as shown by the Ice Climbers for one, that has never been a problem for Sakurai.
Problem is that Smash Bros is very likely to keep on going without Sakurai. Heck, Sakurai wasn't even aware that Nintendo had planned another Smash Bros when Brawl was announced, and was only asked to work on it after the announcement in 2005. One day Sakurai won't be able to/doesn't want to work on Smash Bros anymore, and the character pool will need to expand into new territories once we've scrapped off current bottom runners. Luckily, that won't happen for quite a while.
They were very infamous during the Brawl days especially for the whole forum's dislike for Mewtwo, not sure if they literally started a campaign though. Mewtwo was a rather unpopular character in general and was often joked with and taken very unseriously, which is probably why he was cut.
Not sure how Diddy Kong is more important than Dedede. Diddy Kong has missed out on a couple of titles and is basically DK's Luigi. Dedede on the other hand has been in every Kirby game to date except one (which came after Melee) and is always a core part of the story in every single Kirby game. Not saying Diddy shouldn't have been in Melee, because he should, but Dedede and Diddy are very much on even ground in terms of importance to Nintendo.
To be honest, I don't think there will ever be a situation where we will have to go to the bottom of the quality barrel, looking for terrible choices for potential newcomers, especially considering that new IPs are likely to be created between now and Smash 5 with decent possible choices for contender characters? Wonderful 101, anyone?
Sure there'll be new IPs, but at some point we're going to run out of super hyped characters regardless. Xenoblade is the most popular new IP Nintendo has created since Pikmin possibly, and Shulk is still only somewhere in the middle in terms of requests. The characters that are currently middle ground hyped will suddenly be considered top tier next game, and so forth. Unless Nintendo can spit out two or three franchises that are as popular as Pikmin between now and the next Smash Bros, guys like Isaac and Bandana Dee (who I both support mind you) and whatever new characters might be introduced in existing franchises are going to be top tier for next game. It's already been visible this time around if you compare now to pre-Brawl. Ridley was ~the 5th most wanted character, behind Sonic, Dedede, Diddy Kong and Olimar, but since he missed out last time he's by far and wide been one of the most requested newcomers for this game, his only competition being K. Rool and Mega Man, and Ridley's support has been fairly consistent since so it's actually a decent comparison. Mega Man and Little Mac are already in, getting rid of two of the top tiers already, if K. Rool, Ridley and Palutena are in too we're going to sit with Dixie Kong or someone like that being the next game's Sonic/Mega Man, which sounds pretty bizarre.
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Interesting, but to be honest, as shown by the Ice Climbers in Melee, there never really was so much a "standard" that had to be attained, per say, as much as most of the highest requested character around that time were indeed super iconic, like Bowser and Peach. Popularity and icon status has never been the be-all-end-all of roster choices and I don't believe that will change in the next game, you know what I'm saying?
They could always just start making games that draw you in with merits other than the roster (e.g. quit adding character but add new features and ****). Of course, I don't think that'll ever be a thing, but I can dream.
Like the Subspace Emissary?They could always just start making games that draw you in with merits other than the roster (e.g. quit adding character but add new features and ****). Of course, I don't think that'll ever be a thing, but I can dream.
I was actually going to cite the Subspace Emissary as a reason that it would never happen.Like the Subspace Emissary?
Any substantial mode made to generate hype is just going to either fall flat or be disappointing, since nothing can compare to a good ol' Free for All with friends or a 1v1 with someone who's really good.
Eh SSE was a nice breath of fresh air from the same old stuff seeing charecters team up and interact and fight rivals was great, the gamplay was repetitive but it was a great feeling the first time you played it. If sakurai could perfect that then I would be ecstatic sadly that ain't gonna happen.....at least not yet.I was actually going to cite the Subspace Emissary as a reason that it would never happen.
Id honestly laugh if he was considered and straight up main him if Goku got in.
I would be surprised if Sakurai even reads MiiVerse posts
Yeah. Exactly. Just like Mewtwo.
To be fair Mewtwo wasn't any more special than any other legendary mascot by the time of Brawl. His recent importance and popularity is partly why he's also so expected, though he'd probably be able to get back in either way due to the sheer amount of requests for his return since he was cut.
Nah, Goku isn't on Sonic level. I'm fairly certain that Miiverse requests don't matter to him since the roster was decided long before Smash Bros got a Miiverse page.
I second that!
Third XP
What list of games are coming that day?
Oh, I was talking about Joe—the administrator of Serebii.net.
If I'm correct.
That can't be the only reason though, right? There are plenty of other characters that are/were considered pretty terrible, but they're far from "unpopular".
There were a lot of things going against Mewtwo not just one thing got him cut or should I say out prioritized with him being not advertized, by GF fans not liking him due to tier lists and sonic coming in at the last second it was honestly kinda bleak for him then.
I know that there are several likely reasons for why Mewtwo was cut. What I'm trying to figure out is what exactly made him unpopular, or at least why some people claim he was.
Unless you're counting the arcade titles as far as Diddy missing DK games goes, he's not been in Jungle Beat as far as core titles go, but nothing else since his debut off the top of my head. Considering the general importance of the DK franchise to Nintendo in comparison to Kirby, I'd place Diddy on higher ground than Dedede regardless of the latter's importance to his smaller series. Also, I don't see how that Luigi comparison is supposed to reflect on Diddy unfavorably in comparison to Dedede. Not that both shouldn't have been in Melee, of course, but I think it's an example of Sakurai bias that we had to wait until Brawl for Diddy, while Dedede was planned since Smash 64, which, if technical limitations hadn't kept him out, would have given Kirby more "Reps" than Zelda at the time.
I agree with the tier list specifically not playing any role in his removal, but hypothetically, if Mewtwo and Falco had reversed positions on the tier list, and experienced that corresponding increase and decrease in fanbase popularity, respectively, don't you think Mewtwo might have become a greater priority or Falco might have become less of one? At the very least, Mewtwo wouldn't have hordes of Pokemon douchebags petitioning for his removal for god knows what reason.
As far as I know, Metroid Fusion, M&L Superstar Saga (the best by far) and SMA3 Yoshi's Island are also confirmed, along with Advance Wars 1.
It's also kinda funny how people wanted the clones cut pre-Brawl, only to find out that Mewtwo was cut with them. And now people want Roy back over Dr.Mario, Pichu, and Young Link, despite being one of those clones.
Other than hearing, "Roys our boy!" I hated Roy in Melee. Didn't want him in Brawl, don't want him now. I understand if someone liked his character and liked playing as Roy, but he's on the same scale as the other clones IMO.
