Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Black Mage, White Mage, Ninja, Moogle, Cactaur, Behemoth & Behemoth King, and a whole lotta Dragon Quest characters have all appeared in Mario spin-offs.

We haven't seen anything from Square-Enix in SSB yet.

Added who you forgot and got rid of Chocobo since Chocobo actually hadn't appeared in one yet.

 

[andimidna]

Hey, so here's something I want to know. What are your feelings on Cloud Strife in Super Smash Bros?

From a moveset standpoint, he has the abilities and potential. Plus I'd love to see him square off against Link and Ike.

From a representation standpoint, I actually like him for several reasons. He's the biggest main mascot character, by far, that Square-Enix has ever had, so it makes sense in the same vein as Snake-Konami, Sonic-SEGA, and Mega Man-Capcom. And the Final Fantasy series has a lot of ties to Nintendo; Cloud hails from the series and is it's most popular character.

As far as SSB is concerned, Cloud is shaky at best given that he has never starred in a Nintendo game. However, he technically qualifies since he has appeared in other Square games on Nintendo systems. I think he fits well enough, given Final Fantasy's ties to Nintendo and the fact he's Final Fantasy's biggest icon.

Thoughts?

Has anybody ever tried making a "Video Game Roster"?
By that I mean, not for one company, but to represent every major videogame company. I think that would be pretty cool.
Mario, Link, Pikachu, Samus, Kirby, Cloud, Black Mage, Master Cheif, Sonic, Mega Man, Pac Man, Sora, Slime, Snake, Bayonetta, Travis Touchdown... etc.
Maybe even characters from Indie games and Mobile phone games... I think that would be pretty interesting.

 

[?????????????]

Added who you forgot and got rid of Chocobo since Chocobo actually hadn't appeared in one yet.

Oh, I thought they were present in some of the mini games of Mario Sports Mix. They might not have been though.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, I thought they were present in some of the mini games of Mario Sports Mix. They might not have been though.

I don't recall, actually.
They might have been.

 

[AEMehr]

Oh, I thought they were present in some of the mini games of Mario Sports Mix. They might not have been though.

There was an image of the species, but they were not physically present.

 

[DraginHikari]

Honesty if SE were going to have a character I would probably prefer to see a DQ character compared to an FF character. I enjoy both series well enough, just seems to a more interesting idea to me. Though the idea of SquareEnix's character in smash in one of those things I simply don't see happening.

 

[Glaciacott]

I kind of wish Chrono was even a possibility, to harken back to the days of fantastic RPGs on the SNES. But I don't think he has even the most remote of chances.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

The Black Mage's moveset in SSF2 makes me want to have it in an official Smash game, though tbh I haven't played any Final Fantasy games (though I REALLY want to)

As disliked as the idea is, I'd also like to see Sora in Smash someday.

It's unfortunate that any Square Enix character is extremely unlikely.

 

[Rockaphin]

Not sure if anyone else saw this but maybe the Pokemon Trainer will be revealed along with this:

Spoiler

The official Japanese Pokémon website has revealed that a special called "Strongest Mega Evolution - Act I" to be aired on April 3. The special will focus on Mega Evolutions and will star an original main character named Alan: "This tale centers on the development of one young trainer, Alan, and his partner Charizard. The goal of Alan's Journey is to to master Mega Evolution, challenge every Mega Pokémon, and to stand as the strongest on top. Their journey unfolds with them battling many Mega Evolved Pokémon. And then battling the Elite Four's Zumi. Zumi's Mega Evolved Pokémon is? What's Alan's reason for being so obsessed about Mega Evolution? The outcome of this journey will be? Points of Note: 1. The entrance of a completely original main character 2. Charizard mega evolves into Mega Charizard X 3. Alan has the Mega Ring like in the games. He has a hero like catchphrase to introduce mega evolution 4. Big battles with Mega Absol and Mega Garchomp! 5. Zumi appears in the anime! Transcendent battle between Mega Charizard X and Mega Blastoise." This is one of two specials to air this spring.

Doubtful but I thought I'd share it for those who haven't seen it.

 

[UltimateWario]

Eugh. That sounds horrid.

I doubt it'll be worth anything, like you said, but this IS Sakurai we're talking about.

 

[Substitution]

Eugh. That sounds horrid.

I doubt it'll be worth anything, like you said, but this IS Sakurai we're talking about.

Well, they have to shove Mega Evolutions down our throat somehow.

 

[Deleted member]

The best way for them to do that is simply using them in the final smashes of Lucario and Mewtwo, if he's confirmed.

At worst they'll waste time on some extra costumes for them, though some people like the megas, so maybe it's a matter of perspective.

 

[UltimateWario]

I would've enjoyed Megas more if they would've given them to more than 1/15th of the Poke-population.

 

[Deleted member]

Personally I felt that Megas were just another way to cash in on nostalgia for older Pokemon and pretend that gen six wasn't terribly short of new designs, a bit like the new fully-evolved forms of old Pokemon in gen four. Hopefully Sakurai sees them for what they truly are, in my opinion, a cynical gimmick, and we only get a final smash or two. Imagine if Mewtwo ends up as one of his ugly 'Mega Evolution' forms, over his classic design.

 

[Rockaphin]

I think the concept is cool, but like UltimateWario said, I wish more Pokémon received megas. I think Lucario is the only Pokémon that needs a mega final smash. I really like the Mega Charizards and all but I feel that the Trainer's final smash should be Tri-Pledge or Triple Finish again. Buu Mewtwo would be ok(if Mewtwo returns). These are just my opinions though.

 

[Substitution]

Personally I felt that Megas were just another way to cash in on nostalgia for older Pokemon and pretend that gen six wasn't terribly short of new designs, a bit like the new fully-evolved forms of old Pokemon in gen four. Hopefully Sakurai sees them for what they truly are, in my opinion, a cynical gimmick, and we only get a final smash or two. Imagine if Mewtwo ends up as one of his ugly 'Mega Evolution' forms, over his classic design.

Here's how I see them.
The issue wasn't how many evolutions there were. The issue was who got them.
This could've helped buff a ton of Pokemon who needed it since forever.
But instead they just break the already broken Pokemon even more broken.

Let's face it, other than cool points, did Mewtwo really need two evolutions? I don't think so.
Or heck, Charizard. Why should he get two, when the others got one?
And let's not stop there. Why did Gen 1 get the majority of them, and the other got the table scraps.
If I'm correct, Gen 5 and Gen 6 didn't get any at all. Yet somehow Latios and Latias get one.
Better yet. Why Blaziken, when Swampert or Sceptile need it even more?

Though, to be fair, there were some that got a justified buff.
Like Banette and Medicham, they've needed it since forever.
This could've done something big. They could do great things with this idea.
If used right, it can bring hundreds of Pokemon right back into the metagame.

But instead, they only use it on the popular Pokemon.
It just feels like a way to make the them even more "cooler". With a couple others thrown in.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't even like the concept, to be honest, I'd prefer if they just pulled a gen four again and added new evolved forms of old Pokemon.

This way just a way to circumvent the fact that all the popular, older Pokemon already have three forms and they couldn't make any new ones. So they made an item give them a quasi-evolution instead of breaking the rule of three Pokemon per line. It's clear if you look at the ones they chose... Charizard, Blaziken, Lucario, almost all of these don't need an evolution, they're simply the most appetizing bait for nostalgic fans to bite on.

There are a few Mega Evolutions I do like, but then usually those ones are form one or two line Pokemon who should have been given another evolution over this garbage.

Maybe the way it works, we could see the Trainer character use a Mega Evolution, as it is initiated by Red in the anime. Not sure how that'd work, maybe a final smash for Charizard if he, Squirtle and Ivysaur get individual final smashes instead of the Triple Finish. It'd make no sense if random Mega Evolution Pokemon showed up in Pokeballs, but they have to be represented in some way.

 

[Arcadenik]

I still want a Mega Persian and a Meowth pre-evolution form.

 

[Substitution]

I still want a Mega Persian and a Meowth pre-evolution form.

Not before my Mega Luvdisc!
Just the amount of ways I can troll with it...

 

[Arcadenik]

I still cannot get over the fact that Alomomola is not Luvdisc's evolution.

 

[Substitution]

I still cannot get over the fact that Alomomola is not Luvdisc's evolution.

Well, it's not like it would've helped anything.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

This argument about mega evolutions is honestly kinda boring

 

[Deleted member]

The whole gimmick of Mega Evolution honestly seems disrespectful to what were meant to be, at a time, finished Pokemon lines.

You work on Blastoise twenty years ago, only for some guy to come in and decide, "oh no, this isn't cool, it needs another two cannons!"

I can't imagine how they'd ruin Meowth.

 

[Arcadenik]

Maybe... maybe not... but at least it would have motivated people to actually train a Luvdisc for 10-20 levels before it evolves instead of letting it collect dust in the Pokemon box as soon you catch one.

 

[Substitution]

The whole gimmick of Mega Evolution honestly seems disrespectful to what were meant to be, at a time, finished Pokemon lines.

You work on Blastoise twenty years ago, only for some guy to come in and decide, "oh no, this isn't cool, it needs another two cannons!"

I can't imagine how they'd ruin Meowth.

Honestly, it sounds like a ten year old made it up.
Would explain the choices of Pokemon.

Maybe... maybe not... but at least it would have motivated people to actually train a Luvdisc for 10-20 levels before it evolves instead of letting it collect dust in the Pokemon box as soon you catch one.

Or only using it as a joke.

 

[Gune]

Maybe... maybe not... but at least it would have motivated people to actually train a Luvdisc for 10-20 levels before it evolves instead of letting it collect dust in the Pokemon box as soon you catch one.

The majority of people just farm heart scales from them it having a evolution probably wouldn't change that.

 

[Substitution]

The majority of people just farm heart scales from them it having a evolution probably wouldn't change that.

Depends.
They could pull a Magikarp...

 

[Arcadenik]

It is very rare for me to use a Pokemon that does not evolve... especially if it doesn't interest me... if I knew that that Pokemon could evolve by leveling... then I would have trained that Pokemon for 10-30 levels... and along the way, I become attached to the Pokemon... and I learn more about its strengths and weaknesses... and when it finally evolves, it is a reward for me. If Magikarp never evolved and Gyarados is a separate Pokemon... would I have trained Magikarp for 20 levels, knowing how bad it is even for casual playthroughs and it doesn't evolve into another Pokemon? Not really...

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, it sounds like a ten year old made it up.
Would explain the choices of Pokemon.

Ten-year-old children is one of the prime demographics of Pokemon, I imagine. Another being competitive players. I'm certain that Game Freak thought Mega Evolution appealed to both, considering how "cool" the Mega designs are and how they were meant to re-balance the meta game.

Although every serious attempt to re-balance the meta game doesn't work. Game Freak takes a heavy-handed approach to balance.

I've never played these games for the competitive aspect, except when I was a ten-year-old child, which may be why I find myself not liking the direction the series has taken.

 

[Knight Dude]

I don't even like the concept, to be honest, I'd prefer if they just pulled a gen four again and added new evolved forms of old Pokemon.

This way just a way to circumvent the fact that all the popular, older Pokemon already have three forms and they couldn't make any new ones. So they made an item give them a quasi-evolution instead of breaking the rule of three Pokemon per line. It's clear if you look at the ones they chose... Charizard, Blaziken, Lucario, almost all of these don't need an evolution, they're simply the most appetizing bait for nostalgic fans to bite on.

There are a few Mega Evolutions I do like, but then usually those ones are form one or two line Pokemon who should have been given another evolution over this garbage.

Maybe the way it works, we could see the Trainer character use a Mega Evolution, as it is initiated by Red in the anime. Not sure how that'd work, maybe a final smash for Charizard if he, Squirtle and Ivysaur get individual final smashes instead of the Triple Finish. It'd make no sense if random Mega Evolution Pokemon showed up in Pokeballs, but they have to be represented in some way.

I do like some of the Mega-Pokemon too. But for the most part, I agree. Some of these forms should have been complete evolutions. There's no reason why Mega Houndoom or Mega Absol can't be their own Pokemon.

Now that I think of it, I still wanted to try to get a Mega Blaziken. It seems pretty cool.

As for the Pokemon Trainer in Smash, I don't see them doing anything for Charizard's forms. It wouldn't mesh with the style as well if Squirtle and Ivysaur can't really do anything either. It would be nice to have a Charizard X color swap for the blue team though.

 

[Muster]

Hey guys, take your ****ting on mega evolution somewhere else, this is a character thread, not a meta thread.

also, complaining about the amount of pokemon with mega evos really doesn't hold much ground when you realize that it's pretty much guaranteed that they will add more later on.

 

[Deleted member]

The one thing that bothers me about Mega Evolution in Smash Bros is how Charizard has two forms to choose from if they have it as a final smash.

Maybe he flies off screen, and returns as both Mega Charizard Y and Z? A tag team that is crazy hard to control like other final smashes might be nice.

 

[Knight Dude]

Anyways, I'm not really sure if the Pokemon Trainer is going to be changed all that much from Brawl. If Lucario was anything to go by, we might just get a buffed version of the already implemented mechanics. Though getting rid of the stamina would be a good buff on it's own.

 

[MasterofMonster]

If Charizard will MegaEvolve somehow in Smash 4, it will most likely be MegaChariard X (the Black one with Blue Fire) since it is clearly the more popular and more 'striking' one. Plus, it has the same body shape, while CharizardY has much longer limbs, neck and tail. ^^

 

[Staarih]

I never was a fan of the Mega evolution concept, and probably never will be. I'd rather have just normal evolutions. I can't see it being a long lasting thing, so maybe they'll stick with it this generation (hopefully introduce more of them in "Z" or RSE-remakes or whatever, for Pokémon who actually need them) and come up with something new in the next gen.

Smash-wise, I see Mega evolutions taking place, as they could work as 6th gen reps. Namely Mega Lucario and Mega Mewtwo I can see happening in some way (either as actual playable transformations or Final Smashes, depending on how they're handled)... maybe even Mega Charizard, the X-one especially seems to be popular. Though not sure how they'd handle that as he will be part of PT's team.

 

[Gune]

The one thing that bothers me about Mega Evolution in Smash Bros is how Charizard has two forms to choose from if they have it as a final smash.

Maybe he flies off screen, and returns as both Mega Charizard Y and Z? A tag team that is crazy hard to control like other final smashes might be nice.

I think only Lucario and Mewtwo are getting mega FS's as Lucarios is made up and Mewtwo doesent have one yet while PT uses some pretty iconic moves for a FS.

 

[Deleted member]

I think only Lucario and Mewtwo are getting mega FS's as Lucarios is made up and Mewtwo doesent have one yet while PT uses some pretty iconic moves for a FS.

Agreed and I think there's a good symmetry between the two Pokemon. They have similar abilities - Mewtwo is psychic-based as opposed to fighting - so having mirrored final smashes like that is a nice way to instill a rivalry. Not like Pikachu or Jigglypuff is a fitting protagonist to Mewtwo's antagonistic role.

Though I'd always side with Mewtwo if that's the case, way better Pokemon.

 

[UltimateWario]

I'd like if Mewtwo just Mega Evolved to use an attack, and not as a transformation FS. Like, he Megavolves into Mewtwo Y, nukes the stage with a 196 Base Special Attack Psystrike, then transforms back.

Lucario should just adopt Mewtwo's Final Smash from Project M. Seems fitting, what with him being Goku and all.

 

[BluePikmin11]

No Mega-Evolutions please, just give the veterans the same final smashes.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler

The best outcome is something like pic related. Assuming the stage returns to normal afterward.