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IsmaR said:
I was confused with where the Gen I stuff/rules ended, and Gen VI began. Earlier they showed abilities didn't exist at the time (Jolteon getting KO'd by an Electric attack despite having Volt Absorb), yet I'm pretty sure Mega Charizard X's Tough Claws kicked in. Then there was him countering Swift with...Swift. On top of having Slash AND Mega Punch, I think that was overkill, and the sign of when it started crossing into pure fanservice/'for the sake of awesome' animation rather than making sense anymore.
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It's also as if Mewtwo suffered severe brain damage during the time Red and Charizard were sent underwater. As it A.) Failed to use recover after the fire blast or at all during said segment. B.) Didn't block any of Charizard's attacks with Barrier, C.) Didn't use Confusion at all, which OHKOd an Articuno, who's a special tank and could've most likely OHKOd said Charizard as well, and D.) Could've easily countered that Mega Punch.

Most people like to say that the Pokemon Company and Gamefreak don't want to choose favorites with the starters of each generation...I think we can see that that was a pretty big lie. :p Also, if we're going by the logic of the Kalos region as given by the residents of Kalos...that Charizard wouldn't have been able to Mega Evolve at all.
 
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Frostwraith said:
It is true (or at least, very likely) that Sonic was the reason Mewtwo was cut. There's evidence of that in the game's code.

Of all unused characters, Mewtwo seemed the one with most development done. Sakurai stated that Sonic was added late in the game too. I'm not sure about this one, but I think he also stated some content had to be scrapped because they had to work on Sonic. Again, evidence in the code suggests that too.
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Can't say that if Sonic's the reason Mewtwo was cut I'd be disappointed. Kind of biased a little towards him.
 
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Sonicshuffle said:
Can't say that if Sonic's the reason Mewtwo was cut I'd be disappointed. Kind of biased a little towards him.
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It would make sense.
Think of it, you're late in development and now you have to make a character from scratch before time runs out.
It would make perfect sense to drop everything else just to fit him in.
It would not only explain his SSE appearance, but why there were delays.
 
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It's not a bad theory, but simply taking the last newcomer and most finished, yet unadded character and extrapolating a connection is a weak argument if it's lacking in evidence. I got the impression before that a poster had more information pertaining to the game files, maybe their organisation that would shed light on the comparison? Otherwise we don't know if for example, Sakurai would've spent the time on Sonic working on Stage Builder, or a number of other Brawl features, instead of a character. There are plenty of unpolished aspects of Brawl's single-player modes that could easily be improved.

Mewtwo was on the cutting block no matter how you cut it. Just a matter of Sakurai's priorities, and we don't know his thought process.
 
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Hotfeet444 said:
It's also as if Mewtwo suffered severe brain damage during the time Red and Charizard were sent underwater. As it A.) Failed to use recover after the fire blast or at all during said segment. B.) Didn't block any of Charizard's attacks with Barrier, C.) Didn't use Confusion at all, which OHKOd an Articuno, who's a special tank and could've most likely OHKOd said Charizard as well, and D.) Could've easily countered that Mega Punch.
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And lets not forget that Blastoise vs. Charizard battle. The former takes a Mega Punch from the latter like a champ... And then falls to a weak Fire Spin and Fire Blast.

Granted, they can't focus on every Pokemon or battle Red has, but Origins did get rather heavy on pushing the Charizard spotlight, especially when it came to the last episode.
 
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And lets not forget that Blastoise vs. Charizard battle. The former takes a Mega Punch from the latter like a champ... And then falls to a weak Fire Spin and Fire Blast.

Granted, they can't focus on every Pokemon or battle Red has, but Origins did get rather heavy on pushing the Charizard spotlight, especially when it came to the last episode.
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Well let's face it.
They have to make him look cool somehow (even when he's far from the best Kanto Starter, provided we're not putting Mega Evolutions into the mix).
 
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Oh, this is page 333. Neat.

Also, Blastoise did take that Mega Punch standing, but it of course did damage to him. Probably more than he wanted to show. ^^
Of course it is odd he'd fall for Fire Blast like that, but, well... yeah, that Charizard was just very strong. Taking Hydro Pump like that. :p
 
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At least Origins showed a cool Pokemon tanking everyone like an idiot.

When Pikachu does it, it's just infuriating.

Anyway, Mewtwo needs his own game.
 
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Yes, it was a strong Charizard. Remember kids, typing is meaningless, grind for that perfect IV!

A Mewtwo game? The only fitting genre I can think of is a crazy hack 'n' slash to show off all his powers.
 
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MasterofMonster said:
Oh, this is page 333. Neat.

Also, Blastoise did take that Mega Punch standing, but it of course did damage to him. Probably more than he wanted to show. ^^
Of course it is odd he'd fall for Fire Blast like that, but, well... yeah, that Charizard was just very strong. Taking Hydro Pump like that. :p
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Don't you just love Pokemon logic?
> Glass cannon fire type can tank one of the best Water moves in the game.
> Bulky water type can't take a Fire Spin or Fire Blast. Mind you water > fire.
 
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I guess this was supossed to be a official character discussion thread, but what I see is a official worst battles in Pokemon Origins thread.
 
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UltimateWario said:
At least Origins showed a cool Pokemon tanking everyone like an idiot.

When Pikachu does it, it's just infuriating.

Anyway, Mewtwo needs his own game.
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Why is it stupid when Pikachu does it? At least Pikachu makes it in struggle, while Charizard is a big, bad Dragon, killing Everything. :p
Also remember that Pikachu is level 1000 by now, ahaha.

Also, yeah, that Charizard was simply at a very high level. Let's hope Charizard in Smash 4 will be stronger as well.
 
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Arcanir said:
And lets not forget that Blastoise vs. Charizard battle. The former takes a Mega Punch from the latter like a champ... And then falls to a weak Fire Spin and Fire Blast.

Granted, they can't focus on every Pokemon or battle Red has, but Origins did get rather heavy on pushing the Charizard spotlight, especially when it came to the last episode.
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Yeah, it was all BS, especially when that Fire Blast took about 80% of Blastoise's health. I'm sorry, but I don't even think a level 100 charizard could do that against a level 63 Blastoise, especially back in the Gen 1 days. The only redeeming quality about the last two episodes of Pokemon Origins were that Jamieson Price played a pretty damn good Giovanni and the music of both the Giovanni and Champion battle. I mean come on...the Charizard won with Seismic Toss, an attack that's equivalent to the level of the user. Even if that thing was a level 100 charizard at said point, with the pretty good HP Rhydon has, there's no way it would have taken it out as Super-effective stats are not added onto the move.
 
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A Mewtwo game? The only fitting genre I can think of is a crazy hack 'n' slash to show off all his powers.
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Don't care how brainless it is, I'll just be happy for a Mewtwo game.

I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't love a game like InFamous or Prototype but with Mewtwo and being less killing-tons-of-people-y.
 
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UltimateWario said:
"PAKUCHU BECUZ WE R FRENZ U CAN BEAT ANYON"

-Pikachu kills several ground types with electric moves-

"IS BECUZ FRENZ"

Then in the next episode he looses to a Bidoof or some ****.

I hate the anime so much.
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See, when they go to a new region.
Ash is secretly replaced by an alternate dimensional clone that just looks like him.

Would explain why he's always dumb as dirt during the beginning of every region.
 
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UltimateWario said:
"PAKUCHU BECUZ WE R FRENZ U CAN BEAT ANYON"

-Pikachu kills several ground types with electric moves-

"IS BECUZ FRENZ"

Then in the next episode he looses to a Bidoof or some ****.

I hate the anime so much.
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Well, it's never really been like that, lol. ^^ And yes, the early episodes did some strange things. "Aim for the Horn!"
But to each his own, hating the anime is allowed. ^^ But nah, he's never lost to a Bidoof. Lost to a Surskit, though.
 
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MasterofMonster said:
Screw Smash Bros, how about dem Pokéymen?!

So, I made movesets for Chespin and Braixen if there would BE a Gen 6 Trainer. Should I post? Anyone interested?
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Why not?

Though, if we're getting any new Pokemon rep, it would be this:

Don't deny it.
 
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Pic didn't work. :p I can deny it!

Chespin
Special: Pin Missile. Chespin will stand still, charging. Like Sheik and Squirtle, he can keep his charge until he uses the move again. When used, Chespin will jump, and spin in the air with his head pointing forward, sending Sharp Pins in varied direction. Very easy to hit with, but since it spreads so much, won't hit with all unless close.
Side Special: Leech-Seed. Chespin throws a seed in the ground in front of him that grows into a Bud after about 10 seconds. When foes stands on it, they will slowly Gain %, while Chespin gets healed very slightly. Bud can be destroyed by foes.
Up Special: Vine Whip. Works like Ivysaur's, but shorter. But Chespin shoots out TWO Vines, making a V-like move above him.
Final Smash: Wood Hammer. Chespin will slowly create a Hammer made out of Logs and such. He can then walk slowly with it, and then Hammer it down Once for great knockback.

Braixen
Special: Mystical Fire. Imagen Ness' Up Special, but slower. Braixen creates a purple/redish flame and controlls it's path with it's stick.
Side Special: Flame Charge. Braixen will run in place as long as you hold the button down. The longer you charge, the stronger when you release. Braixen will rush forward, covered in flames. Will move faster for 5 seconds after use.
Up Special: Psybeam. Braixen will point it's stick up, and fly away, having rainbow-colored rays emerge from the stick, covering Braixen. Pretty.
Final Smash: Fire Blast. Not like Charizard's. A giant Fire Blast-shaped flame (as seen from the front) will appear on the stage over Braixen. It is big, and will hit in strange angles, knocking foes away.

Greninja
Special: Substitute. Works kinda like a Counter. It's the strongest Counter, but not the easiest to hit with, and it WILL do damage to Greninja.
Side Special: Water Shruiken. Greninja simply sends away a Water Shruiken forward, with a slight aimability. It is pretty fast and makes for a good projectile, but it will take a little time until it disappears (it will slow down, hover a little, and then burst), so you can't really spam it.
Up Special: Shadow Sneak. Greninja will sneak up and away, silently, cutting those he goes 'through'. Can he used in any direction, not just Up.
Final Smash: (um, not sure yet)
Also, his teather Grab is hit tongue, lol. It can also grab edges.
 
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Smash Daddy said:
It's not a bad theory, but simply taking the last newcomer and most finished, yet unadded character and extrapolating a connection is a weak argument if it's lacking in evidence. I got the impression before that a poster had more information pertaining to the game files, maybe their organisation that would shed light on the comparison? Otherwise we don't know if for example, Sakurai would've spent the time on Sonic working on Stage Builder, or a number of other Brawl features, instead of a character. There are plenty of unpolished aspects of Brawl's single-player modes that could easily be improved.

Mewtwo was on the cutting block no matter how you cut it. Just a matter of Sakurai's priorities, and we don't know his thought process.
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Pretty much how I see it. After all it seems more reasonable too when you consider Pokemon Already had 6 playable characters. Hell I'd be surprised to see Pokemon get 7 reps in the next installment.

If anything this time the next pokemon should be Bidoof. The greatest pokemon to ever live.
 
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Don't care how brainless it is, I'll just be happy for a Mewtwo game.

I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't love a game like InFamous or Prototype but with Mewtwo and being less killing-tons-of-people-y.
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Mewtwo must set out to kill defeat Giovanni, laying waste to his army of Rocket Grunts, wild Pokemon and Ash Ketchum. Directed by Hideki Kamiya.

Less of a ridiculous story than God Hand.
 
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Smash Daddy said:
Mewtwo must set out to kill defeat Giovanni, laying waste to his army of Rocket Grunts, wild Pokemon and Ash Ketchum. Directed by Hideki Kamiya.

Less of a ridiculous story than God Hand.
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Can we have a super-buff Giovanni with Nano-Machines? :p Because you know...Nano Machines Son.
 
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