Character Discussion Thread

[Chandeelure]

What's happening?
Now everybody mains Captain Falcon XD

EDIT: ,Oh, it was fixed, it was a glitch in the site, the mains under everybody's usernames were only 64 CF icons, including the Melee and Brawl mains XD

 

[YoshiandToad]

I tend to compare Meowth and Toad. Both seem to be "just there" in their respective series, and get passed for other characters. I feel sorry for them.

My two most wanted newcomers since Smash 64 Ladies and Gentlemen.

****.

Add some straps and it's the exact same thing.

That's her Yellow outfit. The one with Team Rocket and Meowth as a reoccurring rival battle. The one with Meowth prominence in a video game.

You know; the one based off the anime.

 

[?????????????]

That's her Yellow outfit. The one with Team Rocket and Meowth as a reoccurring rival battle. The one with Meowth prominence in a video game.

You know; the one based off the anime.

This. There are entire Pokemon games based on the anime. Is that not enough of a link to warrant Meowth's inclusion, when the actual Pokemon games so heavily and blatantly reference the anime?



For the sake of comparison/argument, here is Misty's appearance in Pokemon Red/Blue.

Much different than her appearance in Melee.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

It was a reference, not a typo.

Whatever

 

[Parmite]

Whatever

Man, you really can't take a joke.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Man, you really can't take a joke.

I can take a joke, I just didn't get the reference!

 

[Glaciacott]

I don't like how the Meowth crowd focuses so heavily on Meowth's anime popularity while completely forgetting the whole need to actually have impact in the video games.

Sure, Meowth has anime popularity going, but when deciding for exposure and merchandise Gamefreak clearly looks for more than just that. If you think about the video games alone Meowth is pretty much a non-entity, barely getting some special event distributions thanks to anime fame and only in Japan. In the world context, we have loads of other pokemon getting more exposure. Dedenne has more exposure than Meowth does right now in terms of merchandise and it's a pokeball pokemon.
I don't get why people think current times Meowth could hold a candle to something like Blaziken, a pokemon that got a mega, was used to promote the new season in the anime, was used to promote a Wii U tech demo with Lucario, has 3DS cases with his name alone (similar to Lucario), and is also extremely popular in the gaming community and in the anime community.
That's star power. Meowth may get presence in the anime but mention his name outside of it and people will laugh at you. The thing wasn't even included in X and Y until pokebank came out. That shows the extent of care gamefreak has for it.

 

[Muster]

I can take a joke, I just didn't get the reference!

I don't like how the Meowth crowd focuses so heavily on Meowth's anime popularity while completely forgetting the whole need to actually have impact in the video games.

Brawl Trophy Information
"A Scratch Cat Pokémon. It's one of the most famous Pokémon and very fond of things that glitter--the gold medallion on its head could be seen as an indicator of this infatuation. There are many Pokémon that resemble cats, but Meowth is the only one that can use Pay Day to receive coins at the end of battle. It evolves into Persian."

 

[?????????????]

I don't like how the Meowth crowd focuses so heavily on Meowth's anime popularity while completely forgetting the whole need to actually have impact in the video games.

Well, that's where Meowth has his significance. And the anime is a large portion of Pokemon. Like...gigantic.

I don't recall where a criteria stands that a Nintendo character's significance must come from the games. Only that they are part of one, and Meowth is as much of a Pokemon as any other.

Does Jigglypuff have such a large importance in the game? Not any more than Meowth does.

And there are plenty of Meowth supporters for SSB; you will not get "laughed at."

It's also still the only Pokemon that learns Pay Day, so it's not like GameFreak has completely abandoned it (not that that should have ever been a consideration in the first place). Otherwise, they would allow other Pokemon to learn it. Remember when Blaziken used to be the only Pokemon that could learn Blaze Kick?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Brawl Trophy Information
"A Scratch Cat Pokémon. It's one of the most famous Pokémon and very fond of things that glitter--the gold medallion on its head could be seen as an indicator of this infatuation. There are many Pokémon that resemble cats, but Meowth is the only one that can use Pay Day to receive coins at the end of battle. It evolves into Persian."

Oh, ok now I get it.

 

[Glaciacott]

Ok, I see I need to be more clear.

Brawl Trophy Information
"A Scratch Cat Pokémon. It's one of the most famous Pokémon and very fond of things that glitter--the gold medallion on its head could be seen as an indicator of this infatuation. There are many Pokémon that resemble cats, but Meowth is the only one that can use Pay Day to receive coins at the end of battle. It evolves into Persian."

Wait, what's your point? I'm not questioning his fame, I'm questioning the extent of it having to do with the Pokemon video game itself.

Well, that's where Meowth has his significance. And the anime is a large portion of Pokemon. Like...gigantic.

Does Jigglypuff have such a large importance in the game? Not any more than Meowth does.

I don't recall where a criteria stands that a Nintendo character's significance must come from the games. Only that they are part of one, and Meowth is as much of a Pokemon as any other.

And there are plenty of Meowth supporters for SSB; you will not get "laughed at."

It's also still the only Pokemon that learns Pay Day, so it's not like GameFreak has completely abandoned it (not that that should have ever been a consideration in the first place). Otherwise, they would allow other Pokemon to learn it. Remember when Blaziken used to be the only Pokemon that could learn Blaze Kick?

Gigantic because of the anime and ONLY the anime

Smash Bros. is about video game characters and it has been made extensively clear that that's where characters must be from. I realize how with Pokemon stuff outside of the games shape popularity, but if there's no actual merit from the games themselves, imo, it should not be enough.

I'm arguing about Meowth not about Jigglypuff. Jigglypuff's circumstances for joining Smash should not be attached to Meowth's chances like they prove a point. We are all aware here of why Jigglypuff got in and why her veteran status and ease of programming is her main ticket to coming back. Pointless to bring it up.

Pay Day was an exclusive move from gen 1 that in current times absolutely zero people give any care about, given the presence of amulet coins as well as the fact money is a non-issue in the pokemon games.

Go to a pokemon gaming community and suggest using a Meowth. It's a laughable idea. Again, Meowth may have the impact in the anime, but in the games he is currently a non-entity. At least Jiggly got some attention thanks to the new typing giving her a unique double typing (even if it doesn't help it much in the meta), not to even begin to mention the changes to the other pokemon currently in Smash ... but Meowth still has no reason to merit any sort of care within the gaming community. IT DIDN'T EVEN APPEAR IN X AND Y, THE GAME MEANT TO BRING BACK MOST OF THE ORIGINAL GEN 1 POKEMON FANBASE BACK.

Also, AGAIN, I'm not saying Meowth lacks fame or popularity. What I am claiming is that currently there's a horde of other pokemon that not only have that fame in the anime, but also have huge merchandise power, huge popularity from name alone, huge presence in other aspects of pokemon such as THE GAMES, and are as a result more likely to be supported and recommended by gamefreak for addition to Smash.

 

[Frostwraith]

As much as I think the Pokémon anime has gotten stale and repetitive, it still is a major influence on the franchise. Like it or not.

Most, if not all, Pokémon characters in Smash got in thanks to their popularity, which in turn was helped by the anime. Misty's Melee trophy has her anime design, so, even if not as great as the games themselves, the anime's influence in Smash exists.

Is anyone forgetting the Pokémon themselves also use their anime voices?

 

[?????????????]

Gigantic because of the anime and ONLY the anime

Smash Bros. is about video game characters and it has been made extensively clear that that's where characters must be from. I realize how with Pokemon stuff outside of the games shape popularity, but if there's no actual merit from the games themselves, imo, it should not be enough.

Wrong.

Smash Bros. is about fighting as Nintendo's biggest characters, not "video gamings" biggest characters. Meowth is one of Nintendo's biggest icons, regardless of why. Not to mention he is still a video game character, and always has been. Pokemon is a variable experience. Someone could have played through the game and had a a really great Meowth. Or a Marill. Or a Nuzleaf. Doesn't matter; they're equally playable and usable in the games.

I'm arguing about Meowth not about Jigglypuff. Jigglypuff's circumstances for joining Smash should not be attached to Meowth's chances like they prove a point. We are all aware here of why Jigglypuff got in and why her veteran status and ease of programming is her main ticket to coming back. Pointless to bring it up.

Then it's also pointless to point out that Meowth has no use in meta-game. Since when does that matter when it comes to character selections for Super Smash Bros? Why would it even?

In that same vein, who in the right mind would use a Jigglypuff in competitive play? They'd probably use a Wigglytuff.

Also, AGAIN, I'm not saying Meowth lacks fame or popularity. What I am claiming is that currently there's a horde of other pokemon that not only have that fame in the anime, but also have huge merchandise power, huge popularity from name alone, huge presence in other aspects of pokemon such as THE GAMES, and are as a result more likely to be supported and recommended by gamefreak for addition to Smash.

And because of these reasons, Meowth is not in SSB, nor is he in my roster. But that doesn't prevent him from being a viable, good choice for SSB.

 

[SpindaMaster]

Not that I think he's getting in, but saying Meowth wouldn't get in because he's only popular because of the anime makes me think of

 

[Frostwraith]

Smash Bros. is indeed about Nintendo's proprieties first and foremost. I'm pretty sure Nintendo, Game Freak and Creatures own the Pokémon FRANCHISE and not just the games.

(Off-topic trivia: If Square Enix made a Smash clone, it'd probably have some manga characters, as the company owns some manga magazines. Soul Eater and Fullmetal Alchemist ran in one of them and are partially owned by Square Enix.)

 

[Muster]

Go to a pokemon gaming community and suggest using a Meowth. It's a laughable idea. Again, Meowth may have the impact in the anime, but in the games he is currently a non-entity. At least Jiggly got some attention thanks to the new typing giving her a unique double typing (even if it doesn't help it much in the meta), not to even begin to mention the changes to the other pokemon currently in Smash ... but Meowth still has no reason to merit any sort of care within the gaming community. IT DIDN'T EVEN APPEAR IN X AND Y, THE GAME MEANT TO BRING BACK MOST OF THE ORIGINAL GEN 1 POKEMON FANBASE BACK.

You are wrong

Jigglypuff has never even gotten an article on smogon after all these years, and meowth still has the little cup on his side. He was OU for little cup in gen 4.

If anything, Meowth's absence from gen 6 made him more popular. I've seen people offering up xerneas and yveltal for a meowth pre bank because they needed him for their dex. Appearance in a gen really shouldn't matter, as meowth is supposed to be a rare pokemon outside kanto.

and they're i"nsisting on referring to jigglypuff" because this conversation started about who would replace jigglypuff if she left.

 

[Louie G.]

I actually use Meowth competitively sometimes.
No not Persian, Meowth.
Slap Taunt and a Focus Sash on that thing and you have a great lead.

 

[Deleted member]

Meowth is among the most popular regular Pokemon that has persisted since gen one, not impossible. I'm sure he was considered for Smash 64.

 

[NickerBocker]

it is important to consider the quote that Sakurai has about Pokemon. Essentially its not only about the games, its about which Pokemon are consistently used, are popular, and hold relevance in the series. By the series, I mean the games, movies and animes. The exception is Jigglypuff, but being a Smash 64 veteran holds a lot of power.

Pikachu: available in all the games, in the anime is Ash's favorite. Hes the face of the series, so having him makes sense. Very recognizable even to people who know nothing about Pokemon. No brainer.

Jigglypuff: a little bit of an exception, but as I said earlier, being a 64 veteran is a pretty important. When 64 was made, Jiggs was one of the most recognizable and famous Pokemon (especially in Japan.) The series was very young at the time, and maybe Sakurai at the time thought it was a good idea (similar to Kirby? You know, his own series that he created? Easy to create? I dont know im just spitballing) It could have easily been Meowth in this position, but thats how the process of selecting characters goes. If you miss the boat once, that could have been the only opportunity.

Pichu: we know about the clones created in melee which is why he was selected, being similar to Pikachu. He was important to the anime at the time, and his popularity has dried out now. He was featured in the games as a pre evolution to Pikachu, the most important pokemon to the series.

Mewtwo: legendary in a lot of games, featured heavily im the movies. Very famous and recognizable.

Lucario: essentially the next Mewtwo. Featured heavily in the movies, important in the games since he was created. Very famous and recognizable.

Pokemon Trainer (Charizard, Squirtle, Ivysaur): its the trainer you play as, plays heavily off of Ash and Red. These were the starters in the original game, and are atill the most recognizable and famous ones to this day. Charizard is very popular and recognizable, so he was an obvious pick along his evolution line. Squirtle had a major role in the anime (squirtle squad, 007, etc.) So he made sense for that choice along his evolution line. And then Ivysaur was the mid point between the two. Basically, these characters are important across the board.

We can't deny the importance of the anime, but at the same time the games are probably what holds more weight when choosing characters. The anime definitely has some importance in Smash. The characters that are chosen are Important, popular, relevant, famous and recognizable across all mediums of entertainment.

 

[Glaciacott]

Dude, why do the Meowth people just INSIST on bringing up Jigglypuff?

Wrong.

Smash Bros. is about fighting as Nintendo's biggest characters, not "video gamings" biggest characters. Meowth is one of Nintendo's biggest icons, regardless of why. Not to mention he is still a video game character, and always has been. Pokemon is a variable experience. Someone could have played through the game and had a a really great Meowth. Or a Marill. Or a Nuzleaf. Doesn't matter; they're equally playable and usable in the games.



Then it's also pointless to point out that Meowth has no use in meta-game. Since when does that matter when it comes to character selections for Super Smash Bros? Why would it even?

In that same vein, who in the right mind would use a Jigglypuff in competitive play? They'd probably use a Wigglytuff.



And because of these reasons, Meowth is not in SSB, nor is he in my roster. But that doesn't prevent him from being a viable, good choice for SSB.

Uh, not wrong.
Nintendo is currently known world-wide as a videogame company, and the all-stars of the company reflect that it's a videogame company. And if we're talking about icons, then I will keep on making the claim that in terms of pokemon Meowth has been one of the least constant icons, namely because it's getting nothing else outside of anime presence. I'd wager his continued presence is a result of the need to keep Team Rocket and the need for exposition purposes of a talking pokemon.
And yes, pokemon experience is variable, but every kid who starts a copy of pokemon today will have to hold his/er chocobos when mega evolving their kanto starter, or seeing a freaking pikachu in the first routes in the game. They're icons. I met a pre-teen on the plane the other time. His team? Mewtwo, Lucario, Charizard, Blaziken, Sylveon and Greninja. When these kids encounter over 700 pokemon, they know which are the most powerful and the coolest and the ones they want to fight with. Those are the iconic pokemon, the ones that when they grow up they'll remember "man, that was a kick-ass team."
That part of Pokemon is not variable, and it's why Charizard still wets everyone's pants even after so many years. And that's how Pokemon characters merit their status as iconic to the series.

As for the meta-game mention, usability in competitive arenas boosts the popularity of the pokemon considerably. It's why all-time popular pokemon got Megas, because then we can now have more Charizards in tournaments. We all know Lucario and Blaziken and Gengar didn't need megas, but they still got them, because gamefreak knows "these are the pokemon that will get everyone excited. And will get us money. And fame."

Where is Meowth in all of this? And no, popularity because of scarcity doesn't count because then, why not Rattata? I think the bigger question is "IF this pokemon is so popular, WHY did gamefreak refuse to include it for new and old players to catch it in the wild?"
No one here has been able to answer me this. Seems most people are too busy insisting on the "anime is relevant yo" and "but Jigglypuff!"

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I have nothing against Meowth

He had just better not cut Jiggs.

 

[Louie G.]

Dude, why do the Meowth people just INSIST on bringing up Jigglypuff?

Because they are very comparable.
If you don't like being proven wrong then I can't help you.

 

[?????????????]

Dude, why do the Meowth people just INSIST on bringing up Jigglypuff?



Uh, not wrong.
Nintendo is currently known world-wide as a videogame company, and the all-stars of the company reflect that it's a videogame company. And if we're talking about icons, then I will keep on making the claim that in terms of pokemon Meowth has been one of the least constant icons, namely because it's getting nothing else outside of anime presence. I'd wager his continued presence is a result of the need to keep Team Rocket and the need for exposition purposes of a talking pokemon.
And yes, pokemon experience is variable, but every kid who starts a copy of pokemon today will have to hold his/er chocobos when mega evolving their kanto starter, or seeing a freaking pikachu in the first routes in the game. They're icons. I met a pre-teen on the plane the other time. His team? Mewtwo, Lucario, Charizard, Blaziken, Sylveon and Greninja. When these kids encounter over 700 pokemon, they know which are the most powerful and the coolest and the ones they want to fight with. Those are the iconic pokemon, the ones that when they grow up they'll remember "man, that was a kick-*** team."
That part of Pokemon is not variable, and it's why Charizard still wets everyone's pants even after so many years. And that's how Pokemon characters merit their status as iconic to the series.

As for the meta-game mention, usability in competitive arenas boosts the popularity of the pokemon considerably. It's why all-time popular pokemon got Megas, because then we can now have more Charizards in tournaments. We all know Lucario and Blaziken and Gengar didn't need megas, but they still got them, because gamefreak knows "these are the pokemon that will get everyone excited. And will get us money. And fame."

Where is Meowth in all of this? And no, popularity because of scarcity doesn't count because then, why not Rattata? I think the bigger question is "IF this pokemon is so popular, WHY did gamefreak refuse to include it for new and old players to catch it in the wild?"
No one here has been able to answer me this. Seems most people are too busy insisting on the "anime is relevant yo" and "but Jigglypuff!"

If you're going to deny Jigglypuff as a reason why Meowth can be in SSB solely out of novelty for the character, then you're flat-out ignoring the reason some of these characters were added in SSB in the first place. It's as bad as people who count out Ridley or King K. Rool or ANYONE for equally dumb reasons.

 

[Glaciacott]

If you're going to deny Jigglypuff as a reason why Meowth can be in SSB solely out of novelty for the character, then you're flat-out ignoring the reason some of these characters were added in SSB in the first place. It's as bad as people who count out Ridley or King K. Rool or ANYONE for equally dumb reasons.

It has been established literally pages ago how Jigglypuff entered. Proving that Meowth can be in Smash Bros. because Jigglypuff is an argument that is dry. It holds no value.

It's like if I were trying to prove that the Zapper can totally be a character, and when you try to ask me why I respond "because R.O.B."

 

[?????????????]

It has been established literally pages ago how Jigglypuff entered. Proving that Meowth can be in Smash Bros. because Jigglypuff is an argument that is dry. It holds no value.

It's like if I were trying to prove that the Zapper can totally be a character, and when you try to ask me why I respond "because R.O.B."

Meowth can be in Super Smash Bros. because he's a significant Nintendo character. That's all there is to it. Any argument against Meowth doesn't change the fact he's a significant Nintendo character.

 

[Glaciacott]

Well, sure, but so can a horde of other pokemon. Why does Meowth get a slot when Blaziken* doesn't? How does Meowth represent Pokemon better than Blaziken*?

*or any of the other pokemon with similar fame and presence.

 

[?????????????]

Well, sure, but so can a horde of other pokemon. Why does Meowth get a slot when Blaziken* doesn't? How does Meowth represent Pokemon better than Blaziken*?

*or any of the other pokemon with similar fame and presence.

Therein lies the issue with Pokemon representation in SSB in the first place; there's so many. They can't include them all, let alone all the ones that deserve it.

Meowth has unquestionable merit, but plenty of other Pokemon do as well.

As it is, my own roster line-up is just Brawl + Mewtwo, as far as Pokemon is concerned.

However, I do uphold Meowth in a higher regard than many other Pokemon because he has an unwavering, consistent, recurring role, and as long as Pokemon exists, he probably always will.

 

[Louie G.]

Meowth is important to the anime.

The anime is a product of Nintendo.

The anime has influenced Smash in many ways:
- Pikachu, Jigglypuff
- Movie tie in characters (Mewtwo, Lucario)
- Voice clips
- References in character design

Discussion over. Meowth deserves it as much as anyone else.

 

[IsmaR]

f anything, Meowth's absence from gen 6 made him more popular. I've seen people offering up xerneas and yveltal for a meowth pre bank because they needed him for their dex.

Did you really just use the GTS's stupid demands (you will literally find requests for impossible legendaries on even the most obscure/common crap, pre and post Bank) as reasoning for something?

If so, may Arceus have mercy on us all.

I'm not against Meowth in the slightest, but Gen 6 did nothing in its favor. Not even counting its availability, there's the lack of a Mega Evolution for its line, the lack of a base stat increase (which many other Gen 1 Pokemon got, including Pikachu/Jigglypuff), and the fact that it only got ONE new attack in Confide, which is a TM damn near everything can learn.

That said/despite all of that, I see Meowth just as deserving as it has always been. Whether or not Sakurai/GF thinks so, hard to say.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Do people even watch today's Pokemon anime?

 

[Glaciacott]

Well, the way I see it is Meowth lost his chance with the N64 version, and as things currently are in terms of pokemon reps, plenty of Pokemon deserve the spot over him.

I would be content with only the return of Mewtwo though.

 

[Louie G.]

Do people even watch today's Pokemon anime?

Does that even matter?
I hear it's getting better though.

 

[?????????????]

I couldn't get over the fact that Ash's Pikachu lost to the first Gym Leader's Surskit.

 

[UltimateWario]

Brawl Trophy Information
"A Scratch Cat Pokémon. It's one of the most famous Pokémon and very fond of things that glitter--the gold medallion on its head could be seen as an indicator of this infatuation. There are many Pokémon that resemble cats, but Meowth is the only one that can use Pay Day to receive coins at the end of battle. It evolves into Persian."

Brawl Trophy Information, King K. Rool
"The supreme commander of the Kremling Krew. King K. Rool steal bananas from Donkey Kong and ends up kidnapping Diddy Kong. He is so good at playing dead that sometimes the credits even roll as he lies there, feigning defeat. His brother, Kaptain K. Rool, made an appearance in the game Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest."

Brawl Trophy Information, Dark Samus
"A twin image of Samus, encountered near the beginning of Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. Dark Samus is identical to Samus in every way but color—she even uses similar attacks. There are many theories on the origin of Dark Samus, but none are proven. Dark Samus uses Phazon for energy and can absorb it to heal damage. Samus encounters Dark Samus a number of times."

Brawl trophies confirmed for word of God in all matters despite Sakurai not knowing what the hell he's talking about.

 

[Deleted member]

If going strictly by the games, Meowth is just one of over 700 Pokémon.
But at the same time, so is Jigglypuff. Didn't really "deserve" to be in Smash in the original, "deserves" it even less now. Honestly, only thing going for it is the Grandfather Clause.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I couldn't get over the fact that Ash's Pikachu lost to the first Gym Leader's Surskit.

Yeah, that was pretty embarrassing, considering the fact he's been through 5 regions to train and winning against the Battle Frontier, one of which had the 3 mutha****ing Regis.

 

[Deleted member]

Brawl Trophy Information
"The supreme commander of the Kremling Krew. King K. Rool steal bananas from Donkey Kong and ends up kidnapping Diddy Kong. He is so good at playing dead that sometimes the credits even roll as he lies there, feigning defeat. His brother, Kaptain K. Rool, made an appearance in the game Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest."

Brawl trophies confirmed for word of God in all matters.

Because an identity error discredits an evaluation of popularity.

 

[UltimateWario]

Because an identity error discredits an evaluation of popularity.

My point is that Trophy Descriptions shouldn't be used to debate anything.

 

[Muster]

Did you really just use the GTS's stupid demands (you will literally find requests for impossible legendaries on even the most obscure/common crap, pre and post Bank) as reasoning for something?

If so, may Arceus have mercy on us all.

I'm not against Meowth in the slightest, but Gen 6 did nothing in its favor. Not even counting its availability, there's the lack of a Mega Evolution for its line, the lack of a base stat increase (which many other Gen 1 Pokemon got, including Pikachu/Jigglypuff), and the fact that it only got ONE new attack in Confide, which is a TM damn near everything can learn.

That said/despite all of that, I see Meowth just as deserving as it has always been. Whether or not Sakurai/GF thinks so, hard to say.

People weren't asking for legendaries for the meowth they had, people were asking for meowth and offering legendaries. This was at the time when japan was the only country with bank pokemon, by the way, so it was not an impossible request.
Meowth has been stagnating in little cup since gen V, so it's no suprise that his viability hasn't increased, jigglypuff, however, is still useless as an awkward middle stage evolution.

Also, jigglypuff did not get a stat boost. Wigglytuff is the only pokemon in their line that did, along with 13 other gen 1 pokemon. All except pikachu were fully evolved.

 

[Arcadenik]

Brawl Trophy Information, King K. Rool
"The supreme commander of the Kremling Krew. King K. Rool steal bananas from Donkey Kong and ends up kidnapping Diddy Kong. He is so good at playing dead that sometimes the credits even roll as he lies there, feigning defeat. His brother, Kaptain K. Rool, made an appearance in the game Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest."

Brawl Trophy Information, Dark Samus
"A twin image of Samus, encountered near the beginning of Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. Dark Samus is identical to Samus in every way but color—she even uses similar attacks. There are many theories on the origin of Dark Samus, but none are proven. Dark Samus uses Phazon for energy and can absorb it to heal damage. Samus encounters Dark Samus a number of times."

Brawl trophies confirmed for word of God in all matters despite Sakurai not knowing what the hell he's talking about.

Are you insinuating that Meowth being a world-famous Pokemon is factually wrong?