Character Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

I'm not on my computer so I can't share my roster, but I'm announcing now that Chibi Robo is the newest addition.
Opossum's moveset really convinced me about how cool he could be.

 

[Staarih]

I feel that Jigglypuff isn't going anywhere, but I still want a fresh Pokémon face (Zoroark preferably) in. Oh the dilemma!

Out of curiosity: let's say we get Brawl + Mewtwo when it comes to Pokémon characters. Would you rather cut one for a new face or have 6 Pokémon reps? If you had to include someone new that is.

 

[Substitution]

A problem I have with Sable transforming is that with transforming characters in the past they would turn into iconic characters. With Sable he would just turn into generic frog and generic snake.

To be fair.
They could be usable in taunts or winning/losing animations.

Zoroark didn't even get a Mega-Evolution.

And I was depressed about that.
I'm still waiting for my Mega Luvdisc Nintendo!

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I feel that Jigglypuff isn't going anywhere, but I still want a fresh Pokémon face (Zoroark preferably) in. Oh the dilemma!

Out of curiosity: let's say we get Brawl + Mewtwo when it comes to Pokémon characters. Would you rather cut one for a new face or have 6 Pokémon reps? If you had to include someone new that is.

I wouldn't want to cut any Brawl Pokémon or Mewtwo to get any of the current candidates. It seems to me that the big shots of Gen 6 are 3 of the Pokémons already in Smash anyways, so Charizard, Lucario and Mewtwo should suffice.

 

[False Sense]

I feel that Jigglypuff isn't going anywhere, but I still want a fresh Pokémon face (Zoroark preferably) in. Oh the dilemma!

Out of curiosity: let's say we get Brawl + Mewtwo when it comes to Pokémon characters. Would you rather cut one for a new face or have 6 Pokémon reps?

I'd be perfectly content with Brawl + Mewtwo, since it has pretty much the most iconic faces in Pokemon, and I don't think we need something new just for the sake of having something new. So, if we were to get another rep, I'd go with having six over cutting one.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm noticing that you seem to be very fond of the uniqueness argument. While being unique is great and all, that alone can't get a character into the roster. Sure, Kawashima could be unique, but so could a ton of other characters. Zoroark has plenty of unique potential, but why on earth would they cut Jigglypuff for it? Jigglypuff herself is already very unique in her own right, not to mention the fact that she's an original game veteran, and has even more relevance now then she did in Brawl days with that Fairy typing of hers. Honestly, it kind of bothers me that you outright say that Zoroark is insignificant to Pokemon as a whole, but say that his uniqueness alone is enough to not only get on the roster, but replace a long time veteran. Really, I just don't think that pure uniqueness, and uniqueness alone, can make a character worthy of the title of Nintendo All-Star.

I'll just ask you this, have we had a character from an unusual genre that uses the subjects of learning as means of attacks? It really helps him stand-out, just as much as Wii Fit Trainer stands out with her fitness moves. Regarding Jigglypuff, I feel that the long time veteran means nothing, and there are still potential Pokemon candidates Sakurai wants as playable because they have interesting abilities, Zoroark is one of them.

A problem I have with Sable transforming is that with transforming characters in the past they would turn into iconic characters. With Sable he would just turn into generic frog and generic snake.

Yeah, those abilities make him interesting in a gameplay perspective, the light high jumping, responsive tongue frog and the heavy powerful snake, using them as means of tactic.

 

[AEMehr]

@ AEMehr
I would love another Wario character. Given the game's zany cast there are so many great options.
Mona and Jimmy T stand out though.

I completely agree, I would naturally side with Ashley but those two make much more sense to be honest.

I'd side with Mona more so though. Problem with Jimmy is that he could easily run the same motif Wii Fit Trainer currently does, except with dancing.
Now that may not be a bad thing, but two new characters using the same concept could be looked at a negative way (That and Mona is always the second character's minigames you play in every game).

A problem I have with Sable transforming is that with transforming characters in the past they would turn into iconic characters. With Sable he would just turn into generic frog and generic snake.

I follow a similar mindset. That and these transformations wouldn't be able to suffice for a complete moveset either. So the only way I can see Sablé utilizing them is for specific attacks which wouldn't change much for his gameplay if they're really only visually different you know?

I'm sure there is a way to make him stand out, but that isn't coming to mind right now.

Out of curiosity: let's say we get Brawl + Mewtwo when it comes to Pokémon characters. Would you rather cut one for a new face or have 6 Pokémon reps? If you had to include someone new that is.

I'd rather just have the seven Pokémon characters (eight counting the Trainer). Franchise already has a plentiful amount of characters in the roster as it is. A fresh face would be nice, but that would technically be filled by Mega Lucario and/or Mega Mewtwo X/Y.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Like I said, I found the 15 newcomers (besides Dixie), to be the most diverse newcomers Sakurai could choose having at least relatively good merits. Zoroark at least the merits to get in, and really has his uniqueness of illusions going for him despite him being an insignificant character for Pokemon.

I'm no Pokemon expert, but if this is true, then it poses a severe obstacle for Zoroark's inclusion.

Thus far, only the most iconic Pokemon have been included as playable characters. Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, and Mewtwo go without saying. I would venture that Lucario was included in Brawl due to his popularity and prominence in the Generation that was out in the Brawl era.

Jigglypuff may have the least merits (as I recall, the character was included due to anime popularity or something of the sort) -- but at this point, Jiggs has three-fold Veteran seniority (plus a minor boost in relevance with the Fairy-Type re-attribution).

If Smash seeks to include Pokemon All-Stars as playable characters, and if you say Zororark is nowhere near as significant as the current Pokemon Veterans, then unless the illusion mechanic is supremely unique and Smash-viable to the point where Sakurai circumvents the All-Stars approach, Zororark's chances for playable inclusion are far slimmer than you outline in your post.

I'm not going to remove Kawashima because I see his uniqueness as too good for Sakurai to pass out. As for Sable, setting aside bias, I see him as the second retro Sakurai chooses for revival, seeing as we haven't had a retro character from the popular (but underlooked in Smash speculation for some reason) Gameboy and how these installments are also focused on handhelds, I could see him picking Sable with his unique transformation mechanics.

So Takamaru as the Console Retro and Sable as the Handheld Retro? That seems reasonable. I'm not at all familiar with Sable, so his inclusion or exclusion is not something I'm all too concerned about.

As for Kawashima, a quick check shows that he's from the Brain Age games, so I'm assuming he's meant to be a Handheld-origin character. Still, uniqueness and/or moveset potential is only one factor to consider. Is Kawashima's uniqueness quotient high enough that he could make the cut on that factor alone?

 

[FalKoopa]

That's not much to turn over Sakurai's decision in bringing back Ike though, it's really not that notable, but I still think he's coming back.

I personally think the biggest reason why he should return is that he's the only notable lord from the home console FE games, so Wii U Fire Emblem representation is likely going to revolve around his games.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Now I wish Ike was revealed so the relevancy arguments can be put to rest.
It might help Zoroark in the long run.

No it really wouldn't at all.

Notice the emphasis on being recently prominent in Pokemon-related stuff? Yeah, Zoroark isn't curently the character in the spotlight and has nothing going for her. Mewtwo is the poster boy for Gen 6 and is in that movie with Genesect, Lucario also has a Mega Evolution and to boot has a major role in X and Y, Pokemon Master and his Pokemons also has stuff going for them promotion-wise and Gen 1 starters were pretty prominent in X and Y, being default Pokemons that could be chosen. Even Jigglypuff has more going for her recently than Zoroark.

Zoroark is very unlikely to get in currently over Jigglypuff, Pokemon Master and especially Mewtwo, the single most requested character world wide. Zoroark is a potential newcomer with just too many things going against it. Even if they wanted a newcomer, they would more likely to go with someone like Sylveon, who has the one thing Zoroark has and more.

Keep in mind that Sakurai said that he won't be cutting characters out of the way and it is even less likely that Zoroark will get in over the established veterans.

Ike? The difference between Ike and Zoroark is that Ike is easily one of the most important characters in FE due to being one of the only characters to star in more than one game, and even in Awakening he is still more "relevant" than Zoroark was right now due to him having a side chapter dedicated to his legacy.

In short, why Zoroark at all in a prediction roster?

 

[BluePikmin11]

As for Kawashima, a quick check shows that he's from the Brain Age games, so I'm assuming he's meant to be a Handheld-origin character. Still, uniqueness and/or moveset potential is only one factor to consider. Is Kawashima's uniqueness quotient high enough that he could make the cut on that factor alone?

Yeah, he's also a handheld character too, which may benefit him also.
If it hasn't been done before, (Which is total hell yes, no one uses education for an entire moveset), then it's a yes, it's really damn high.

No it really wouldn't at all.

Notice the emphasis on being recently prominent in Pokemon-related stuff? Yeah, Zoroark isn't curently the character in the spotlight and has nothing going for her. Mewtwo is the poster boy for Gen 6 and is in that movie with Genesect, Lucario also has a Mega Evolution and to boot has a major role in X and Y, Pokemon Master and his Pokemons also has stuff going for them promotion-wise and Gen 1 starters were pretty prominent in X and Y, being default Pokemons that could be chosen. Even Jigglypuff has more going for her recently than Zoroark.

Zoroark is very unlikely to get in currently over Jigglypuff, Pokemon Master and especially Mewtwo, the single most requested character world wide. Zoroark is a potential newcomer with just too many things going against it. Even if they wanted a newcomer, they would more likely to go with someone like Sylveon, who has the one thing Zoroark has and more.

Keep in mind that Sakurai said that he won't be cutting characters out of the way and it is even less likely that Zoroark will get in over the established veterans.

Ike? The difference between Ike and Zoroark is that Ike is easily one of the most important characters in FE due to being one of the only characters to star in more than one game, and even in Awakening he is still more "relevant" than Zoroark was right now due to him having a side chapter dedicated to his legacy.

In short, why Zoroark at all in a prediction roster?

There's also in the criteria of the most important factor, uniqueness. Zoroark has high amounts of it, I think his overall statistics and his uniqueness will have him be in the roster.
But yeah the only relatively large gap is how Pokemon going forward, but technically Mewtwo could represent it.
The Ike legacy really isn't that much of notice either.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Really, the only character that should replace Jigglypuff is Meowth. I don't know of any other Pokemon that should replace Jiggly.

 

[UltimateWario]

I like BluePikmin. He is a good and righteous fellow.

But I do not share his opinions on Smashology.

 

[False Sense]

I'll just ask you this, have we had a character from an unusual genre that uses the subjects of learning as means of attacks? It really helps him stand-out, just as much as Wii Fit Trainer stands out with her fitness moves. Regarding Jigglypuff, I feel that the long time veteran means nothing, and there are still potential Pokemon candidates Sakurai wants as playable because they have interesting abilities, Zoroark is one of them.

Well, no, we haven't had a character like that. But why should we? For the sake of having a character that does that? What about what the character actually stands for in the history of Nintendo? And do people even want the character? You mention the Wii Fit Trainer, but keep in mind that she was chosen pretty much for the sole reason that no one expected her. Kawashima would be very much in the same position. Having a character for pure surprise value is fine, but adding too much of something like that alienates the audience and makes them question the decisions of the developer. I mean, why get Kawashima when we could have gotten Ridley, or taken his development time out to make K. Rool a playable character, or de-clone Dixie? All of those characters can bring their own unique thing to the Smash environment, and are actually wanted by fans.

As for Jigglypuff, again, she's perfectly unique as she is. Sure, there are plenty of Pokemon characters that have unique potential that could be really fun in Smash, like Zoroark, but why bother adding them when what we have is fine? Frankly, characters just shouldn't be added (or replace other characters) for the sole purpose of what they could bring to the table as a unique fighter. Uniqueness is only one quality a good character choice should have; there are quite a few other things to take into consideration as well.

 

[Sehnsucht]

I'll just ask you this, have we had a character from an unusual genre that uses the subjects of learning as means of attacks? It really helps him stand-out, just as much as Wii Fit Trainer stands out with her fitness moves. Regarding Jigglypuff, I feel that the long time veteran means nothing, and there are still potential Pokemon candidates Sakurai wants as playable because they have interesting abilities, Zoroark is one of them.

Was Little Mac included solely because a punch-only playstyle archetype would be very unique? Or was it also due to great demand and popularity in the West, and his general deserving status for playable inclusion?

Was Villager added simply because pockets and items made him highly unique? Or was it also because Animal Crossing is a popular and substantive franchise in Nintendo's library, and is thus worthy of representation?

WFT is a unique case, but that doesn't mean the floodgates are now open for any character that has massive uniqueness or unexpectedness value, but who fall (vastly) short of other criteria (popularity/demand, series worthiness, All-Star status, whether the character would increase interest in playing the game, etc.). WFT only has her WTFness, and perhaps the high sales of the Wii Fit titles.

In order to be balanced, the Smash 4 roster can't solely be comprised of Unique Characters Because Unique selections. These are fine, but only so long as they are counterbalanced by other categories (e.g. Catering to the Fans, Series Being Important And Worthy of Representation, a couple of Left Field Selections, the Retro/Historical character(s), etc.).

Yeah, he's also a handheld character too, which may benefit him also.
If it hasn't been done before, (Which is total hell yes, no one uses education for an entire moveset), then it's a yes, it's really damn high.

I'll probably go find the Kawashima thread, just to see this Education-based Moveset. Though perhaps you could also briefly encapsulate of what such a playstyle would consist.

Still, uniqueness cannot be the only consideration. Is the Brain Age/Brain Training series sufficiently popular? Is Kawashima as a character worthy of inclusion when you cast aside moveset potential? And so on and so forth.

 

[YoshiandToad]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Hmmm...Palutena.
I don't really feel like Kid Icarus actually needs anything more than Pit until it's confirmed to have plans to continue past Uprising.

If it's two games, a long ass hiatus, a cult hit revival and then another long old hiatus, I'd rather just have the characters that are going to be in series with more consistent releases.

It's not like Pit does a bad job of representing the entire series alone, and unlike Metroid and DK, Kid Icarus hasn't been waiting several Smashes to get a secondary character. Mewtwo was also planned for every Smash yet only managed to get into one despite his popularity. Palutena's merits in comparison don't seem as good.

As for the order of the others in order of who I'd cut next;

K. Rool - Nothing really against K. Rool, but I feel the other two have better merits for inclusion over him.

Ridley - Not really a Metroid fan at all, but I know how long Ridley fans have waited, and that he's important to his series. They've patiently, and not so patiently waited for Ridley for three Smashes now. Give them what they deserve already.

Mewtwo - Most wanted character bar none worldwide, I'm actually a fan of the game series so that helps. Just at least give him the ability to duck correctly this time and not get hit in the face whilst crouching like a dumbass. Ultimate Pokemon indeed.

Really, the only character that should replace Jigglypuff is Meowth. I don't know of any other Pokemon that should replace Jiggly.

Also this. Always.

 

[Muster]

Read through the last few pages and there's one thing i'm suprised everyone missed.

Debut? Her debut was Star Fox 64.
And to be fair, you could say the same thing for the entire Star Fox team. And Wolf, don't forget him.

Krystal debuted in stairfax tempuratures you bumbling buffoon

@ BluePikmin11 Not to say your roster is bad, but i would rather have snake and jigglypuff represented 10 times before zoroark and dr whoever the ****
(would rather stealth than train my brain)

Also, Ike and marth are pretty much the most relevant of all FE lords, Ike has 2 games as well as marth, and they both have descendants in Awakening that use their sword.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I like BluePikmin. He is a good and righteous fellow.

But I do not share his opinions on Smashology.

Agreed.

 

[Parmite]

Read through the last few pages and there's one thing i'm suprised everyone missed.

Krystal debuted in stairfax tempuratures you bumbling buffoon

@ BluePikmin11 Not to say your roster is bad, but i would rather have snake and jigglypuff represented 10 times before zoroark and dr whoever the ****
(would rather stealth than train my brain)

Also, Ike and marth are pretty much the most relevant of all FE lords, Ike has 2 games as well as marth, and they both have descendants in Awakening that use their sword.

Krystal? Don't you mean Bluetits Mcfurrydream?

 

[domriver]

I wouldn't care if Jiggz is back but at least evolve it PLEASE. WigglyTuff would be better in my opinion.

 

[Substitution]

Krystal debuted in stairfax tempuratures you bumbling buffoon

Ah.
..I'm probably just going insane then.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Really, the only character that should replace Jigglypuff is Meowth. I don't know of any other Pokemon that should replace Jiggly.

Yeah, because Meowth has been a significant Smash veteran! Wait, no...
Because he's obtainable in every mainseries Pokemon game just like Pikachu... No, that's wrong too...
Because he can pull off the same kind of aerial-juggler moveset Jigglypuff c... No...
Um... Because the anime has had a great influence on Smash Bros...?

...

Why should Meowth replace Jigglypuff exactly? When you don't factor in the anime (which has had little to nothing to do with Smash Bros.), Jigglypuff literally has every edge over Meowth.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well, no, we haven't had a character like that. But why should we? For the sake of having a character that does that? What about what the character actually stands for in the history of Nintendo? And do people even want the character? You mention the Wii Fit Trainer, but keep in mind that she was chosen pretty much for the sole reason that no one expected her. Kawashima would be very much in the same position. Having a character for pure surprise value is fine, but adding too much of something like that alienates the audience and makes them question the decisions of the developer. I mean, why get Kawashima when we could have gotten Ridley, or taken his development time out to make K. Rool a playable character? Both of those characters can bring their own unique thing to the Smash environment, and are actually wanted by fans.

Looks like you're wrong there buddy, that not the only reason:
http://nintendoeverything.com/sakur...er-in-new-smash-bros-just-to-surprise-people/

“The Wii Fit Trainer and the villager from Animal Crossing, there may be some people out there being like, ‘Okay, great, now you’re going out on a limb, you’re trying to do something strange or unusual, but there’s really no meaning behind it, you’re just doing it for…’ I don’t want to say shock value, per se, but just to surprise people. And that’s really not the case. I think these are very unique characters and they lend themselves well to the Smash Bros. family because they bring things we don’t already see.”

As for Jigglypuff, again, she's perfectly unique as she is. Sure, there are plenty of Pokemon characters that have unique potential that could be really fun in Smash, like Zoroark, but why bother adding them when what we have is fine? Frankly, characters just shouldn't be added (or replace other characters) for the sole purpose of what they could bring to the table as a unique fighter. Uniqueness is only one quality a good character choice should have; there are quite a few other things to take into consideration as well.

Because his illusions prove that he worth the playable addition, and better than Jigglypuff, who took a few moves from Kirby, and the singing, resting, pounding, and rolling as her moveset. Which isn't much of a stand-out unique at all in reality.

Was Little Mac included solely because a punch-only playstyle archetype would be very unique? Or was it also due to great demand and popularity in the West, and his general deserving status for playable inclusion?

Was Villager added simply because pockets and items made him highly unique? Or was it also because Animal Crossing is a popular and substantive franchise in Nintendo's library, and is thus worthy of representation?

In order to be balanced, the Smash 4 roster can't solely be comprised of Unique Characters Because Unique selections. These are fine, but only so long as they are counterbalanced by other categories (e.g. Catering to the Fans, Series Being Important And Worthy of Representation, a couple of Left Field Selections, the Retro/Historical character(s), etc.).

Little Mac had his merits and had his demand in the west.
Villager had both of those statements.
And yes, were not going to add characters because just of uniqueness. Geno could be really unique, or maybe Skull Kid (Although is dead), but they don't have much overall contribution to their franchises and don't have much merits.

I'll probably go find the Kawashima thread, just to see this Education-based Moveset. Though perhaps you could also briefly encapsulate of what such a playstyle would consist.

Still, uniqueness cannot be the only consideration. Is the Brain Age/Brain Training series sufficiently popular? Is Kawashima as a character worthy of inclusion when you cast aside moveset potential? And so on and so forth.

Yes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Age:_Train_Your_Brain_in_Minutes_a_Day!

It has received both commercial and critical success, selling 19.00 million copies worldwide (as of March 31, 2013)[3] and has received multiple awards for its quality and innovation.[4][5]

 

[Staarih]

Yeah, Kawashima is indeed a pretty obscure choice, but gotta give points for @ BluePikmin11 for such dedicated support haha!

As for Zoroark, I support him (or her?) 100%, but I guess it's one of those situations where you sort of know the character won't probably make it, realistically thinking. I definitely want Brawl + Mewtwo in first, and 6 Pokémon reps might be pushing it. But nothing's set in stone until it's confirmed or de-confirmed, so until then it's just fun to predict, speculate and think about options. You guys brought up very good points of Zoroark, really.

 

[FalKoopa]

Krystal? Don't you mean Bluetits Mcfurrydream?

Can we stay away from that territory? The last thing I want is a bunch of angry furry Krystal fans barging in here.

 

[?????????????]

Why should Meowth replace Jigglypuff exactly?

Cause he's better.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Cause he's better.

Because...?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Krystal? Don't you mean Bluetits Mcfurrydream?

Oh if only she was actually a furry to make said terminology make sense...but she isn't so it doesn't.

I like BluePikmin. He is a good and righteous fellow.

But I do not share his opinions on Smashology.

I second this.

 

[Parmite]

Can we stay away from that territory? The last thing I want is a bunch of angry furry Krystal fans barging in here.

Don't worry. I'm sure most furries Krystal fans will understand twas' only a reference to Jontron.

 

[Staarih]

Why should Meowth replace Jigglypuff exactly? When you don't factor in the anime (which has had little to nothing to do with Smash Bros.), Jigglypuff literally has every edge over Meowth.

...but isn't the anime sort of the reason why Jigglypuff got in the first place?

 

[Louie G.]

Because...?

Meowth is a very iconic Pokemon well loved by video game fans far and wide.
His popularity comes from the anime but so does Jigglypuff's and Pikachu's (more importantly).
It probably won't happen but it would be the only thing that would make my happy if Jiggs was cut.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Cause he's better.

No he's not.

...but isn't the anime sort of the reason why Jigglypuff got in the first place?

That and Japanese popularity.

As for Meowth, if we were to get a Pokemon newcomer along with Brawl+ Mewtwo cast, he is absolutely the best choice.

 

[?????????????]

Because...?

If you're looking at Pokemon characters outside of Pikachu, no Pokemon has had as much regular exposure as Meowth. Is it because of the anime? Yes, yes it is. But because of it, Meowth is one of Nintendo's (not even just Pokemon's) regularly, consistently seen characters. One of it's major icons. And as long as Pokemon exists, this will likely be the case.

I almost feel as strongly about Meowth's inclusion as I do about Ridley's; it's criminal this character isn't already playable in SSB. However, it's more understandable given that the series has an entire, unlimited cast of characters from which to select, while Metroid is much more limited in options.

 

[Parmite]

Oh if only she was actually a furry to make said terminology make sense...but she isn't so it doesn't.


I second this.

It was a reference to Jontron. Muster called it Stairfax Temperatures, and in Jontron's review, and he also calls Krystal "Bluetits Mcfurrydream"

 

[Substitution]

Can we stay away from that territory? The last thing I want is a bunch of angry furry Krystal fans barging in here.

Don't worry!
We already did that!

 

[FalKoopa]

Yeah, because Meowth has been a significant Smash veteran! Wait, no...
Because he's obtainable in every mainseries Pokemon game just like Pikachu... No, that's wrong too...
Because he can pull off the same kind of aerial-juggler moveset Jigglypuff c... No...
Um... Because the anime has had a great influence on Smash Bros...?

...

Why should Meowth replace Jigglypuff exactly? When you don't factor in the anime (which has had little to nothing to do with Smash Bros.), Jigglypuff literally has every edge over Meowth.

Isn't the anime the reason Jigglypuff and Pikachu are in Smash in the first place?

 

[ihskeyp]

Jiggly > Meowth. I'm not a big pokemon fan, but I was when I was a kid, and Jiggly was always my favorite pokemon.
Besides, at this point in time, Meowth won't be replacing Jiggly. She's been a part of the series since the beginning.

 

[Hotfeet444]

It was a reference to Jontron. Muster called it Stairfax Temperatures, and in Jontron's review, and he also calls Krystal "Bluetits Mcfurrydream"

I'm well aware of the reference, I'm a Jontron fan myself, but said reference's terminology is off. Don't worry, a majority of the internet never really understands Furry terminology anyways. Seriously, we're talking about 90% of the internet mistaking the terminology, it's kinda funny.

Isn't the anime the reason Jigglypuff and Pikachu are in Smash in the first place?

And it only took us who knows how many years to realize the Jigglypuff in the anime was a shiny.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Meowth could be unique with a few handicaps from the anime, but I honestly don't think that's gonna happen if gets in.
I would still prefer Zoroark over him.

 

[?????????????]

Jigglypuff will never be replaced by anyone, so the point is moot. But I will always believe that Meowth deserves a spot. He is much more deserving than many others.