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Said the guy that pushes for Dr. Kawashima, Nintendog, Prince Sable, Harry, etc.
I only stated my opinion. :p
If you want me to get into specifics, there's not much merits Warioware has to have a second character, I see that as the obstacle the spinoff has to go through.
Which is why I'm not really interested into the Warioware characters getting into Smash. None of them really stand-out IMO, except for Jimmy, but even then, the dance-based (or music) moveset could belong to a new IP like Rhythm Heaven.
 
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Surprised that a retro peddler like yourself hadn't thought of 9-Volt being a classic Nintendo throwback fighter, given how he's a Nintendo fanboy. :troll:
 

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Duck Hunt Dog
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Dog shoots with that Gun-thing used in Duck Hunt, of which I have completely forgotten the name, sorry. Works a little like Fox's Blaster, no knockback.
Side Special: Dack Whack. Whacks with a duck in front of him. Green Duck does little knockback, and is more to annoye foes. But at times, you will hit with a Pink Duck, causing major knockback.
Down Special: Disc. Also forgot the right English names, but there's some sort of training mode in Duck Hunt, shooting discs, right? Well, charge, and have Dog spin around quickly, then let go a quick disc that will swoon forward in a upwards angle.
Up Special: Duckcopter. Dog grabs onto two Duck's legs and they will fly upwards with him. Good recovery, but not a attacking move.
Final Smash: like Snake, Dog hops and stands right in front of the 'camera', shooting. But not at foes, but at the random Ducks that will appear on-screen. The ducks won't die when hit, but they will turn mad, and dive, spinning, straight down. So, you have to shoot the ducks right above foes. The pink, stronger ducks, however, will dive at a angle, making them unpredictable.

Opinion? :)
 

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No, I would rather have the moveset he steals belong to the franchise itself. Besides, Sakurai for some reason already shot down the great Balloon Fighter's chances. I don't want more retros to lose their chance thanks to him stealing their moves. ;-;
 
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Then prepare to bore yourself by reading.
For one thing, Krystal has become a highly popular character since her debut in StarFox Adventures, and never missed a star fox game ever since. And unlike Wolf or Falco, she makes a canon appearance as playable AT THE START of StarFox Adventures. There are also more supporting details such as uniqueness. She will be the most unique StarFox character in the game with her staff.

Neutral B- Fire Blast

Side B- Freeze Blast

Up and B- Rocket Booster

Down and B- Earthquake

Final Smash- Pteranodon Ride Attack

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It is worth noting that Falco doesn't make any contribution to the StarFox team in her debut game until the end of the game. And considering how much people want more female involvement, Krystal makes perfect sense. We have two female newcomers out of five total so far, and with the Paultena leak not being debunked for two months, Sakurai may be answering fan desire for more female involvement.

And Sakurai has even hinted Krystal being playable in Falco's taunt codec on the Corneria tier of Lylat Cruise in Brawl. Look it up on YouTube.
...Couldn't most of those things also apply to Bandana Dee? Mind you, I don't support Bandana Dee or Krystal, but...

!.) Has become a pretty popular character since debut

2.) Has been in a lot of games since debut

3.) Spear for uniqueness

That does leave out the female part, but as I've said before, gender should not be a deciding factor for a character's inclusion. So, basically, Bandana Dee has rather similar qualities to Krystal, except the Kirby series is actually much larger and is still going strong. I think that leans in his favor, actually.

Also... "never missed a Star Fox game since (her debut)." Star Fox 64 3D.

"Falco doesn't make any contribution to the Star Fox team in HER debut game."

Falco's a girl? That slipped under my radar...
 

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Duck Hunt Dog
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Dog shoots with that Gun-thing used in Duck Hunt, of which I have completely forgotten the name, sorry. Works a little like Fox's Blaster, no knockback.
Side Special: Dack Whack. Whacks with a duck in front of him. Green Duck does little knockback, and is more to annoye foes. But at times, you will hit with a Pink Duck, causing major knockback.
Down Special: Disc. Also forgot the right English names, but there's some sort of training mode in Duck Hunt, shooting discs, right? Well, charge, and have Dog spin around quickly, then let go a quick disc that will swoon forward in a upwards angle.
Up Special: Duckcopter. Dog grabs onto two Duck's legs and they will fly upwards with him. Good recovery, but not a attacking move.
Final Smash: like Snake, Dog hops and stands right in front of the 'camera', shooting. But not at foes, but at the random Ducks that will appear on-screen. The ducks won't die when hit, but they will turn mad, and dive, spinning, straight down. So, you have to shoot the ducks right above foes. The pink, stronger ducks, however, will dive at a angle, making them unpredictable.

Opinion? :)
Not Likely, but it sure be nice to have more Duck Hunt involvement.
 

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I'd actually say Duck Hung Dog would be pretty likely. ^^ he's one of the more 'iconic' retro characters not used. Plus, his Taunt would be that horrible laugh he does. No better way to get opponents' blood boiling~

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Duck Hunt Dog
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Dog shoots with that Gun-thing used in Duck Hunt, of which I have completely forgotten the name, sorry. Works a little like Fox's Blaster, no knockback.
Side Special: Dack Whack. Whacks with a duck in front of him. Green Duck does little knockback, and is more to annoye foes. But at times, you will hit with a Pink Duck, causing major knockback.
Down Special: Disc. Also forgot the right English names, but there's some sort of training mode in Duck Hunt, shooting discs, right? Well, charge, and have Dog spin around quickly, then let go a quick disc that will swoon forward in a upwards angle.
Up Special: Duckcopter. Dog grabs onto two Duck's legs and they will fly upwards with him. Good recovery, but not a attacking move.
Final Smash: like Snake, Dog hops and stands right in front of the 'camera', shooting. But not at foes, but at the random Ducks that will appear on-screen. The ducks won't die when hit, but they will turn mad, and dive, spinning, straight down. So, you have to shoot the ducks right above foes. The pink, stronger ducks, however, will dive at a angle, making them unpredictable.
 

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I only want Krystal if a Star Fox character gets cut and personally, they all deserve to stay. If I HAD to choose one to cut, it would be Falco.
Bandana Dee would be great. I actually want him a lot and I think he fits as the next Kirby newcomer.
 

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For me personally, I don't really think the spear stands out to me and as exciting for playable material.
Although admittedly, the way Dee does his spears is pretty cool, it's not much.
 

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...Couldn't most of those things also apply to Bandana Dee? Mind you, I don't support Bandana Dee or Krystal, but...

!.) Has become a pretty popular character since debut

2.) Has been in a lot of games since debut

3.) Spear for uniqueness

That does leave out the female part, but as I've said before, gender should not be a deciding factor for a character's inclusion. So, basically, Bandana Dee has rather similar qualities to Krystal, except the Kirby series is actually much larger and is still going strong. I think that leans in his favor, actually.

Also... "never missed a Star Fox game since (her debut)." Star Fox 64 3D.

"Falco doesn't make any contribution to the Star Fox team in HER debut game."

Falco's a girl? That slipped under my radar...
This is hilarious!
StarFox 64 3D is a REMAKE!!!!!! StarFox 64 came out BEFORE StarFox Adventures.

And I was using Falco as an example because he's already been in smash, and Adventures is KRYSTAL'S debut game.

And Bandana Dee? Laughable!
 

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This is hilarious!
StarFox 64 3D is a REMAKE!!!!!! StarFox 64 came out BEFORE StarFox Adventures.

And I was using Falco as an example because he's already been in smash, and Adventures is KRYSTAL'S debut game.

And Bandana Dee? Laughable!
Just saying, but Bandana Dee is much more likely and possible than Shadow, so I really don't Think you have the right to call Dee laughable. ^^
 

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Yeah, I'm jumping on this bandwagon.

Then prepare to bore yourself by reading.
For one thing, Krystal has become a highly popular character since her debut in StarFox Adventures, and never missed a star fox game ever since.
Debut? Her debut was Star Fox 64.
And to be fair, you could say the same thing for the entire Star Fox team. And Wolf, don't forget him.

And unlike Wolf or Falco, she makes a canon appearance as playable AT THE START of StarFox Adventures.
And that's important hot exactly?
Remember Sheik? "He" had a prominent role, but not till later.

There are also more supporting details such as uniqueness.
All right, what-
She will be the most unique StarFox character in the game with her staff.
Trust me, you'll hear this, a lot.
Your opinions =/= fact.

Just because you think so doesn't mean it's now absolutely true.

Neutral B- Fire Blast

Side B- Freeze Blast

Up and B- Rocket Booster

Down and B- Earthquake

Final Smash- Pteranodon Ride Attack
Cool, you have the specials.
Not like it really does anything. Just means you have the specials down.

A moveset doesn't really change anything, just means it's possible.
Heck, I have a full-fledged moveset for Mudkip. And even I know it's chances are slim.

Still reading?Good!
It is worth noting that Falco doesn't make any contribution to the StarFox team in her debut game until the end of the game.
You really like that term "her debut game".
Now mind you Star Fox came out before that so it's really not a "debut" game, just a bigger role.

And considering how much people want more female involvement, Krystal makes perfect sense.
And so does Daisy, Dixie Kong, Captain Syrup, Mona, and plenty of others.

We have two female newcomers out of five total so far, and with the Paultena leak not being debunked for two months, Sakurai may be answering fan desire for more female involvement.
That Palutena leak doesn't mean she's already in.
It just means there's a bigger chance.

And Sakurai has even hinted Krystal being playable in Falco's taunt codec on the Corneria tier of Lylat Cruise in Brawl. Look it up on YouTube.
Oh! You mean this?
(I'm assuming you're referring to the one in Corneria.)
Fox: Looks like we made it to Corneria. Falco sure is a sticking it to 'em out there.

Krystal: Yes, but don't you find it... odd? I've never even seen some of his opponents before.

Fox: Well it is a brawl, after all. Everyone's in on the fight!

Peppy: That gives me itching for some action. I want in!

Slippy: No way! Old-timers like you ride the bench. This fight's mine!

Krystal: What are you two thinking? I'm the only one who can come through in a fight like this!
Honestly, I don't see it.
I see a joke, a comedic discussion, something that's meant for laughs.

Just saying, but Bandana Dee is much more likely and possible than Shadow, so I really don't Think you have the right to call Dee laughable. ^^
Look, I'll admit this.
As much as I hate on the guy, I wouldn't mind him.
Heck, if the cards fall in the right place, I'd main him.
Besides, adorableness overpowers all.
 

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I haven't been talking about Shadow all day.
I know, but that has nothing to do about this. ^^ I meant, you talked a LOT about Shadow being extremely likely, but now finds Bandana Dee laughable. I was just saying, that makes Little sense.

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Well, personally, I know next to noting about Bandana Dee, but he is cute, and I wouldn't mind him.
 

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This is hilarious!
StarFox 64 3D is a REMAKE!!!!!! StarFox 64 came out BEFORE StarFox Adventures.

And I was using Falco as an example because he's already been in smash, and Adventures is KRYSTAL'S debut game.

And Bandana Dee? Laughable!
I'm getting a very strong sense of bias here...

I brought up Star Fox 64 3D because it's the most recent Star Fox game. In quite some time, too. Naturally, Krystal was not in that, but the fact that it's still the most recent game still stands. Now, this certainly doesn't mean she's implausible, but it doesn't exactly help.

I'm not quite sure what Falco's role in Adventures has to do with anything. He was already in Smash at the time, and his role as the main sidekick of the series hasn't changed, so...

And then there's Bandana Dee. After I went through my list of reasons as to why Bandana Dee is plausible, you just say that it's laughable. No reasons, no evidence, just "laughable." Again, I don't support Bandana Dee, but he does have a chance at being on the roster, and to just shrug that off while saying another character in a similar (and arguably worse) position is very likely just seems incredibly biased to me. If you're going to say that a character is laughable or has no chance, at least back it up with evidence and reasoning, and not just your opinions, please.
 

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I really don't see the appeal in Bandana Dee. It would just be odd to me to see one playable, especially after the way his species is portrayed in Smash as it is.

I've already stated my standpoint on Krystal nunerous times. I always get a little upset when the forums bash on her, but hey, it's all of our opinions. Btw, @ Jason the Yoshi Jason the Yoshi , it's always nice to see another supporter, but you've already stated this conversation before. If you're gonna defend her, try to state some new info. I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned the Easter Egg.
 

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I'm getting a very strong sense of bias here...

I brought up Star Fox 64 3D because it's the most recent Star Fox game. In quite some time, too. Naturally, Krystal was not in that, but the fact that it's still the most recent game still stands. Now, this certainly doesn't mean she's implausible, but it doesn't exactly help.

I'm not quite sure what Falco's role in Adventures has to do with anything. He was already in Smash at the time, and his role as the main sidekick of the series hasn't changed, so...

And then there's Bandana Dee. After I went through my list of reasons as to why Bandana Dee is plausible, you just say that it's laughable. No reasons, no evidence, just "laughable." Again, I don't support Bandana Dee, but he does have a chance at being on the roster, and to just shrug that off while saying another character in a similar (and arguably worse) position is very likely just seems incredibly biased to me. If you're going to say that a character is laughable or has no chance, at least back it up with evidence and reasoning, and not just your opinions, please.
Do you even know that StarFox 64 3D is a remake? Have you ever played StarFox at all?
 

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Well, personally, I know next to noting about Bandana Dee, but he is cute, and I wouldn't mind him.
All I know is this.
"Bandanna Dee" first appears in Kirby Super Star Ultra.
Where he pretty much took up the role as a joke boss.

The one that we know didn't come around till Kirby: Return To Dreamland.
Where he became the fourth character. Utilizing the Spear ability.
 
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Then prepare to bore yourself by reading.
For one thing, Krystal has become a highly popular character since her debut in StarFox Adventures, and never missed a star fox game ever since. And unlike Wolf or Falco, she makes a canon appearance as playable AT THE START of StarFox Adventures.
And yet it didn't help her over Wolf in Brawl, where people were so damned sure she would get in before he would.

There are also more supporting details such as uniqueness. She will be the most unique StarFox character in the game with her staff.

Neutral B- Fire Blast

Side B- Freeze Blast

Up and B- Rocket Booster

Down and B- Earthquake

Final Smash- Pteranodon Ride Attack
Oh look, the old and tired "there's no way she'd be a clone" argument.
Guess I need to pull up a post of mine from last year:
Again with the "staff means no clone" story. I'm tired of hearing it.
It does not matter if she has a staff, she can easily be another Wolf while using it. (By which I mean, normal attacks not derived from Fox, but Specials are.)
Can she shoot things? Yes. The staff shoots firebolts instead of lasers, but they can be fired the same way.
Can she "flash step"? Logically speaking, yes. You can even add the staff's ice projection powers to give it a unique flair. An Ice Dash if you will.
Can she boost upwards? Yes. It's called Rocket Boost, an ability the staff has in-game.
Can she reflect things with a barrier? Yes. The staff has a barrier power.
Can she use a Landmaster? Yes.
So what does this show? That Krystal can *gasp* be another semi-clone even WITH the staff that people claim she would be completely unique while using! "Strange, isn't it? :sonic:"
Now granted, I'm not arguing that Krystal would be a semi-clone, but I'm dispelling the argument that she won't or can't be one.
"But what about the Ground Quake?" Down Smash. :troll:
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It is worth noting that Falco doesn't make any contribution to the StarFox team in her debut game until the end of the game. And considering how much people want more female involvement, Krystal makes perfect sense. We have two female newcomers out of five total so far, and with the Paultena leak not being debunked for two months, Sakurai may be answering fan desire for more female involvement.
And it's also worth noting that Krystal doesn't make any contribution to the StarFox team in her debut game aside from conveniently losing her staff for Fox to find, considering.....she's just a damsel in distress.
That Fox wasn't really focused on saving. His mission was to take care of the problems on Planet Sauria. He had to be convinced by Tricky to even give a slight care towards saving Krystal.
Aside from that, being female doesn't affect one's chances.

And Sakurai has even hinted Krystal being playable in Falco's taunt codec on the Corneria tier of Lylat Cruise in Brawl. Look it up on YouTube.
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Krystal spouting off bravado =/= Sakurai hinting at Krystal being playable.
If it did, we should be seeing Mr. Resetti as a fighter soon, since he would often tell the characters that they're lucky he's not participating, since he would essentially wipe the floor with them.
 

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Do you even know that StarFox 64 3D is a remake? Have you ever played StarFox at all?
I get the feeling you're ignoring the majority of what I'm saying and looking only at the tiny details.

If I wasn't clear before, yes, I am well aware that Star Fox 64 3D is a remake. I think the title is self-explanatory there, really. That why Krystal is naturally not present in that game.

So, if I may ask you a question, why do you find Bandana Dee laughable? That's what I'm really trying to get at here.
 

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I'm one of those who understands why Bandanna Dee and Krystal have supporters, and probably wouldn't mind them getting in... but realistically just can't see either of them actually making it.
 

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All I know is this.
"Bandanna Dee" first appears in Kirby Super Star Ultra.
Where he pretty much took up the role as a joke boss.

The one that we know didn't come around till Kirby: Return To Dreamland.
Where he became the fourth character. Utilizing the Spear ability.
yeah, that's pretty much what I know as well. ^^ But I guess he is the most important Kirby character left, so if there's a newcomer, I guess he would be it. But I don't expect there to be 4 Kirby characters anyways. Spear would make him neat, though.
 

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This is hilarious!
StarFox 64 3D is a REMAKE!!!!!! StarFox 64 came out BEFORE StarFox Adventures.

And I was using Falco as an example because he's already been in smash, and Adventures is KRYSTAL'S debut game.

And Bandana Dee? Laughable!
It doesn't really matter that it's a remake. It's the most recent game to feature the Star Fox crew. Don't just dismiss that for some arbitrary reason. Like it or not, if Krystal was in it she would probably be more popular, thus making her inclusion more likely. The opposite is also true; over the years she has become less popular due to her not really doing much in recent years. If Star Fox Assault or whatever (just a game with Krystal actually in it) was remade, I doubt you would be saying it doesn't make her any more or less likely.
And don't just say something is "laughable" without saying why. That isn't how arguments work...despite what the actions of many people may say...
 

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yeah, that's pretty much what I know as well. ^^ But I guess he is the most important Kirby character left, so if there's a newcomer, I guess he would be it. But I don't expect there to be 4 Kirby characters anyways. Spear would make him neat, though.
As long as he has the Spear-Copter.
I'm fine.
 

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This guy makes me feel ashamed to be a Krystal supporter, I see where the misconception about "rabid fanboys" comes from...

Krystal is not very likely at all and pretty much hopeful thinking at this point, and a second Sonic character will never happen unless Nintendo buys Sega, it's laughable to even consider one. It's fine to like a character, but don't get cocky and think your favorites are all going to get in because you want them to.
 

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but don't get cocky and think your favorites are all going to get in because you want them to.
I really want Kamek in but I know his likeliness. I'll accept the fact he's got like a 35-40 chance, which isn't great if there's like 20 characters that should out-prioritize him.
 
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...though at least I can say B. Shadow has decent chance, right? Not because of being among my "favorites" per say, but for other reasoning?
 

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I really want Kamek in but I know his likeliness. I'll accept the fact he's got like a 35-40 chance, which isn't great if there's like 20 characters that should out-prioritize him.
That's 20-25% too high in my opinion. There aren't many major Yoshi series characters to choose from, so Kamek has a high chance from among them.

Still higher than my Grovyle, who I think only has around a 0.08% chance.

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I guess if we're talking about characters we want but aren't really that likely, it would have to be Robin for me. I think he has a decent chance, and he'd be great for showing off the diversity of Fire Emblem, but sadly he has some serious competition for that slot...
 

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I don't think Krystal is out of the question, like some people think. As of now, I give her a 60-70% chance. While what Golden says is true in that the easter egg may have just been banter, I always felt like it was kind of somewhat pointing to the fact that she was extremely demanded, (unless this was before Sakurai knew of that.)

Besides, for all we know, maybe Sakurai just wants another Starfox character, or he just wants to follow a pattern. I've heard he likes the franchise, so maybe he'll point out Krystal and say, "hey, let's make her playable!" But still, I don't see why she is as unlikely as people claim. Although, there are certainly more higher priority characters that should be included.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Krystal has no chance.

I'm on the viewpoint that if Sakurai wants to include another SF character, it would be Krystal. However, I'm on the viewpoint that he probably doesn't.

I just hate when people overstate her chances and her significance (I could argue that Slippy is more important than her, though that argument never ends).
 

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The only two characters I want more than anything also happen to be impossible and highly improbable respectively, those two being Banjo and Rayman. The one character with an actually good chance that I want more than anything is King K. Rool, though I'm still doubtful of even him. Ridley is my second most wanted, but the gap between him and K. Rool is pretty large in my level of want, Krystal is my third most wanted but the gap between her and Ridley is even larger. Etc.

I don't think Krystal is out of the question, like some people think. As of now, I give her a 60-70% chance.
She's got a 50% chance at best, probably shaking between slightly higher and lower. The single thing that gives me hope for Krystal above anything else is Rosalina's inclusion, so I'm still holding on to that.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Krystal has no chance.

I'm on the viewpoint that if Sakurai wants to include another SF character, it would be Krystal. However, I'm on the viewpoint that he probably doesn't.

I just hate when people overstate her chances and her significance (I could argue that Slippy is more important than her, though that argument never ends).
Yeah, it puts Krystal supporters like me to shame when they say she is a shoe-in, especially knowing what sF has been like over the years. However, there was a time when SF was inactive and we were still given Falco, but that was 2 years.
 
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Yeah, it puts Krystal supporters like me to shame when they say she is a shoe-in, especially knowing what sF has been like over the years. However, there was a time when SF was inactive and we were still given Falco, but that was 2 years.
Though to be fair, Falco was an easy clone pick.
He hadn't really made his name until after Melee. Unless 64 and or Star Fox SNES was where it was established Falco was 2nd-in-command.
 

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Yeah, it puts Krystal supporters like me to shame when they say she is a shoe-in, especially knowing what sF has been like over the years. However, there was a time when SF was inactive and we were still given Falco, but that was 2 years.
Well, I honestly don't mind the "shoe-in" thing.
It's an opinion, and I'll respect that.

What I don't like is the "Kystal's in, Wolf/Falco are out, deal with it." mindset.
It just shows arrogance to me, like the world revolves around that person.
 

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In regards to the Wario franchise from last page. I personally feel that it's perfectly deserving of another character. The series has had many games and pretty good popularity too. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the likes of Mona or Captain Syrup playable in Smash Bros.
 

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Though to be fair, Falco was an easy clone pick.
He hadn't really made his name until after Melee. Unless 64 and or Star Fox SNES was where it was established Falco was 2nd-in-command.
I believe he was considered 2nd in command, but it wasn't really made clear until Smash Bros. showed that notion off a little bit more. After all, Smash has really given the more lesser known characters some serious personality.:pit:

This is slightly unrelated, but i'm curious to see if what I read on Sakurai liking Star Fox is true. Even if it's so, it might not change anything, but it'll give me some hope after a lot of it was severely brutalized after my first time on this forum :evil:
 

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Im just wondering, with palutena pretty much a given, what would krystals unique aspect (staff/magic) have over her? Most of what ive seen has been centered around her staff, while palutena would have that and a shield already. Not to say they couldnt be completely different, but i cant see them seeing her as a huge priority in that case, if that is indeed her main draw. I guess the same could be said for swordsmen, but eh it just feels different in this case to me.
 
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