Character Discussion Thread

[AncientTobacco]

I counted on the miiverse thread. Monday is indeed the 200th.

Miiverse thread seems to lack the "Real pic of the day" for the Rosalina reveal. And I'm guessing you didn't count both of the Mac reveal day pics?

Those do count, you know. Since the Sonic and Luigi fake-out pics counted for the 100th Pic of the day.

 

[TumblrFamous]

If Mewtwo comes back (haha, if) he'll either have his own CGI trailer or a trailer similar to Sonic's, most likely the former. While he is a veteran, he is THE most popular character wanted for this next game, beating out all veterans/newcomers WORLDWIDE. He is so wanted, it'd be stupid not to see a trailer for him.

However, I will keep expectations low and assume we'll see him with a Sonic-esque trailer. Or, as Hotfeet said, in the next E3 Trailer. Either way, he's getting something.

 

[Curious Villager]

I wonder what the fanbase reaction would be if Mewtwo was brought back like any other veteran.....Would they be overjoyed that he's brought back at all, or will they be angry that he didn't get a "welcome back" trailer at all....
Eh, if he were to get a trailer. I'd probably expect it be like Sonic's trailer, probably nothing more than that.... :/

 

[TumblrFamous]

Miiverse thread seems to lack the "Real pic of the day" for the Rosalina reveal. And I'm guessing you didn't count both of the Mac reveal day pics?

Those do count, you know. Since the Sonic and Luigi fake-out pics counted for the 100th Pic of the day.

Actually, I counted them up. Counting the fake-out pics, there were 102 pictures. Without them, 100. The fake pics don't count.

 

[Substitution]

He was a cut veteran. Which means he isn't supposed to return by default like the other veterans. This is a character that basically died and may come back to life. I think that's a pretty big deal.

But he's still a veteran.
That's not changed at all. He's still like everyone else.
I don't see why he should get the whole nine yards.

Yeah, actually I would say that they could. Not that I expect either of them to come back, especially not Dr. Mario, but their returns would be a much bigger deal than any normal, non-third-party veteran returning.

I think they should. If they were to return, a Doc and/or Roy trailer would not surprise me in the least. Though if more than one Melee Veteran were to return for Smash 4, I would expect an Oldschool Melee Boyz Return trailer that included all of them.

Putting these two together.

But even then, I don't see a trailer cutscene included.
He may be popular, but he's not a veteran.
If we get one, it'll be just a normal trailer. Like Sonic's.

I just don't see a point to make him just as special as any newcomer.

In any case, the purpose of a trailer is to promote something. Newcomers and Third-Parties are worthy of being promoted on account of their status -- but I would argue that Mewtwo, on account of the circumstances surrounding him, has the pedigree required to merit some kind of trailer (whether its a full-out trailer, or a short gameplay one like Sonic's was).

What? Popularity?
Cause that's all I see. Call me stubborn.
But him being cut doesn't mean much IMO.
Sure, it'd be big, but would it be big enough?

He's a Veteran; no contest on this point. But he isn't a Brawl Veteran, which is why his position is unique among Veterans in the Smash series.

And I think that's the problem.
Since he's not in Brawl, apparently that makes him some kind of legend.
A miracle, if you will.
Apparently we need everything for this guy. The red carpet, the limo, everything!

Or, maybe it isn't really that big like everyone wants it to be.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I honestly think just because of sheer popularity, Mewtwo will get something over the other veterans. I mean, his popularity is ginormous.

 

[False Sense]

I wonder what the fanbase reaction would be if Mewtwo was brought back like any other veteran.....

My reaction would probably be something along the lines of "Wait WHAT," followed by a few minutes of just sitting there in stunned silence.

The majority of the fanbase might have a similar reaction, except with "But I thought Lucario replaced him!" thrown in on occasion.

But he's still a veteran.
That's not changed at all. He's still like everyone else.
I don't see why he should get the whole nine yards.

What? Popularity?
Cause that's all I see. Call me stubborn.
But him being cut doesn't mean much IMO.
Sure, it'd be big, but would it be big enough?

And I think that's the problem.
Since he's not in Brawl, apparently that makes him some kind of legend.
A miracle, if you will.
Apparently we need everything for this guy. The red carpet, the limo, everything!

Or, maybe it isn't really that big like everyone wants it to be.

Him being cut doesn't mean much? Do you think people just shrugged that one off when it happened?

I think you are kind of underestimating the fact that he was cut. It's not just a matter of popularity, otherwise we'd see trailers for other popular veterans like Meta Knight, or something like that. Mewtwo isn't like other veterans; he got the axe. Tossed aside. He doesn't have to return for the next game, nor does he necessarily ever need to come back. The other veterans are, for the most part, assumed to return for the next game. This makes Mewtwo's return, or the return of any other cut character, something significant, special, and worthy of note.

As to "would it'd be big enough," again, Mewtwo is the single most wanted character for this game. Moreso than any other veteran or possible newcomer. He is literally the biggest character they could reveal in terms of hype. I think a better question would be, why wouldn't it be big enough?

 

[Muster]

If i woke up to mewtwo in the pic of the day i'd assume he was a poke ball summon before seeing the character page. When i see the character page i'll pay my blessings to m2k for his divine prediction.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I'd be fine without a trailer honestly. As long as he's back, I'm happy.

 

[Joe D.]

These idea trailers are certainly amusing. Give me a few minutes to come up with one for someone.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Actually, I counted them up. Counting the fake-out pics, there were 102 pictures. Without them, 100. The fake pics don't count.

Did you count the Mega Man and WFT pics in the very beginning? Those weren't labelled as Pics of the day, that starts with the Mega Man & Mario pic.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Did you count the Mega Man and WFT pics in the very beginning? Those weren't labelled as Pics of the day, that starts with the Mega Man & Mario pic.

Hmm... I suppose you're right. I concede defeat.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Putting these two together.

But even then, I don't see a trailer cutscene included.
He may be popular, but he's not a veteran.
If we get one, it'll be just a normal trailer. Like Sonic's.

I just don't see a point to make him just as special as any newcomer.

He isn't as special as a Newcomer. On this, I think we can agree.

He isn't as ordinary as any other Veteran, either. He may not get anything. But he has enough going for him, even if only a little, to get a Sonic-esque gameplay trailer that lasts 40 seconds or whatever.

I would argue this to be the minimum of what we could expect (and the minimum of what he'd deserve). Anything more may be asking too much, but it wouldn't be unwelcome, and could well be warranted anyway given his massive popularity. Which segues to the next point below.

What? Popularity?
Cause that's all I see. Call me stubborn.
But him being cut doesn't mean much IMO.
Sure, it'd be big, but would it be big enough?

Yes, popularity. That is precisely it. That, and nothing else (barring his Pseudo-Veteran status).

It's the only thing going for Mewtwo. But when you consider his immense global popularity -- which, apparently, beats out even some of the most popular/requested Newcomers -- then the matter may be worth looking into.

A reasonable move, therefore, would be to give Mewtwo a little something -- again, a minimum of a small Sonic-esque trailer would be sufficient to generate the kind of attention that would benefit the game. If you have a hugely requested character, revealing him with just a little bit of fanfare will increase overall game interest more so than if he were simply announced on the POTD updates (since video trailers and Directs innately reach a broader audience than Miiverse pics).

And I think that's the problem.
Since he's not in Brawl, apparently that makes him some kind of legend.
A miracle, if you will.
Apparently we need everything for this guy. The red carpet, the limo, everything!

Or, maybe it isn't really that big like everyone wants it to be.

He's legendary because of his S-tier popularity and demand in this post-Brawl cycle. And because he's a Legendary Pokemon.

Mewtwo being absent from Brawl is notable only due to how it means he hasn't been in a Smash game since his last (and sole) appearance 13 years ago. That's a fairly notable span of time, and most likely has contributed to his present levels of popularity and demand -- that, and perhaps in how his cut was viewed as unjustified by some.

As a result of these variables, it is not unreasonable to get the bare minimum homecoming package (~30-40-sec gameplay trailer), and perhaps even more (perhaps not on the level of Newcomer, unless Sakurai and Friends decide to label him as such).

To reduce this whole topic to its simplest form:

-Tons of people want him in, or have expressed interest in him in the post-Brawl era
-He's been gone for over a decade in Smash series chronology (2001-2014)
-Ergo, promoting his return would be a smart marketing move, since hype=money
-The scale of this promotion should correlate to the amount of interest in the character; the greater the demand, the more attention Mewtwo's return should be given

The last point is where things are left to Sakurai's discretion, since only he and his team would know how high Mewtwo's demand really is (as it is their business to find out).

All of this to say is that if Mewtwo deserves special treatment, it's because his situation and status warrant such treatment.

 

[Parmite]

Hmm... I suppose you're right. I concede defeat.

Sweet! So, a picture of Mario's eyebrow on Monday confirmed!

 

[False Sense]

Sweet! So, a picture of Mario's eyebrow on Monday confirmed!

No, it'll be another look at Rosalina. Maybe Sakurai will show off the cosmos under her gown in a little more detail.

 

[Gunla]

No, it'll be another look at Rosalina. Maybe Sakurai will show off the cosmos under her gown in a little more detail.

Not to go off topic, but that sounds like a Friday POTD to me. Sakurai goes a tad crazy those days.
Though I see Friday being a reveal without any doubt this time. I'm rooting for PT because of the lack of other characters this month.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Nah, more like Mario's Eyebrow X Rosalina.
Hey now, Luigi's Nose got paired with Marth. Teh eyebrow needs love too.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

This talk about Mewtwo returning is actually pretty interesting! You guys are starting to pull me onto the bandwagon for Mewtwo with your trailer ideas!

 

[?????????????]

Hypothetical question time!

I don't support the idea of "original characters" as part of SSB's roster, but if SSB had an "original character" as part of it's roster, who would you pick?

My vote goes to Tabuu. I think he'd be easy to work into being playable, and has a lot of abilities that would make for a fun moveset.

 

[UltimateWario]

but if SSB had an "original character" as part of it's roster, who would you pick?

I'd pick a different game.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Original character? Hanafuda character please.

 

[?????????????]

I'd pick a different game.

Aw, that's no fun if you pick a cop out answer. That's why it's a hypothetical question!

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Hypothetical question time!

I don't support the idea of "original characters" as part of SSB's roster, but if SSB had an "original character" as part of it's roster, who would you pick?

My vote goes to Tabuu. I think he'd be easy to work into being playable, and has a lot of abilities that would make for a fun moveset.

Mmm, I also don't see any "original characters" coming, but yes, I'd say Tabuu over the other choices.

 

[Gunla]

Hypothetical question time!

I don't support the idea of "original characters" as part of SSB's roster, but if SSB had an "original character" as part of it's roster, who would you pick?

I'd prefer a from the ground up entirely new character. One that could represent Smash Bros as a whole, contributing to it's style. Instead of trying to shoehorn Tabuu or something, why not give us something totally new?

 

[Sobreviviente]

...what if every new AT actually replace an old AT? this means the old AT are playable this time.

Skull Kid = Tingle.
Ashley = Dr Wright.
Phantom Knight = Samurai Goroh.
Nintendog = Nintendog ;D

 

[UltimateWario]

Ashley = Dr Wright

Wouldn't Ashley replace Latias & Latios Kat & Ana?

 

[Arcadenik]

Hypothetical question time!

I don't support the idea of "original characters" as part of SSB's roster, but if SSB had an "original character" as part of it's roster, who would you pick?

My vote goes to Tabuu. I think he'd be easy to work into being playable, and has a lot of abilities that would make for a fun moveset.

We already have Mr. Game & Watch. There was no character named Mr. Game & Watch in the original Game & Watch games.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Wouldn't Ashley replace Latias & Latios Kat & Ana?

Im thinking in the attacks they resemble, not the franchise,

 

[Pacack]

Hypothetical question time!

I don't support the idea of "original characters" as part of SSB's roster, but if SSB had an "original character" as part of it's roster, who would you pick?

My vote goes to Tabuu. I think he'd be easy to work into being playable, and has a lot of abilities that would make for a fun moveset.

THE FIGURE!

Based off the the actual action figures Sakurai uses to envision character animations before they're implemented, the figure would represent the very beginning of Sakurai's creative process and would be a perfect fit with Smash's "toys coming to life" thing. The possibilities for its moveset would be literally limited only by Sakurai's own imagination.

 

[False Sense]

Hypothetical question time!

I don't support the idea of "original characters" as part of SSB's roster, but if SSB had an "original character" as part of it's roster, who would you pick?

My vote goes to Tabuu. I think he'd be easy to work into being playable, and has a lot of abilities that would make for a fun moveset.

I would actually go for Master Hand. He would certainly be trickier to make playable than a character like Tabuu, but I don't think it's entirely out of the realm of possibility. Once that issue is worked out, Master Hand could be a character that could have a lot of interesting abilities for a moveset, and being the character that created the Smash universe, is the best character to represent it. I remember that when I was younger I thought it would be cool if Master Hand had a moveset based around his "create" powers that we see in the opening of the original game. An odd idea, I suppose, but I thought it could be fun.

But yeah, Master Hand would be my choice for such a role, even though I don't think we will get a Smash original character. I wouldn't be entirely against a playable Master Hand, though...

 

[Starcutter]

we have a playable smash original character in brawl.


it's called "the coin launcher"

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

...what if every new AT actually replace an old AT? this means the old AT are playable this time.

Skull Kid = Tingle.
Ashley = Kat and Ana.
Phantom Knight = Jesus Grandma.
Nintendog = Nintendog ;D

Fixed

 

[Substitution]

Fixed

Jesus, Grandma?

Don't remember that Assist.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Jesus Grandma?

Don't remember that Assist.

ITS A JOKE!!!! ANYTIME I RIP OFF JOSH JEPSON, ITS A JOKE!!!

 

[?????????????]

Jesus, Grandma?

Don't remember that Assist.

It's Samurai Goroh's nickname; a title that strikes fear into the hearts of the competition!

 

[False Sense]

ITS A JOKE!!!! ANYTIME I RIP OFF JOSH JEPSON, ITS A JOKE!!!

Is that "IT'S A JOKE!!!" thing a joke at this point?

 

[Substitution]

It's Samurai Goroh's nickname; a title that strikes fear into the hearts of the competition!

Huh, really?
Didn't know. I haven't played F-Zero yet.
Guess you learn something new every day.

ITS A JOKE!!!! ANYTIME I RIP OFF JOSH JEPSON, ITS A JOKE!!!

Josh Jepson?
You mean they finally rebooted the Jetsons?!
Are you kidding me?! Again?!
Man, what is this? The third time they've done it?
They just can't resist the smell of money can't they?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Is that "IT'S A JOKE!!!" thing a joke at this point?

Well, you guys don't know when I'm joking apparently! It's just become some kinda catchphrase thanks to you!

 

[Substitution]

Well, you guys don't know when I'm joking apparently! It's just become some kinda catchphrase thanks to you!

Yes.
Because everything we say is serious.
No joking whatsoever.

 

[Starcutter]

ITS A JOKE!!!! ANYTIME I RIP OFF JOSH JEPSON, ITS A JOKE!!!

maybe it's because you are ripping off the worse half of versus that people don't get it.