Character Discussion Thread

[Opossum]

Whatever. All I'm doing is explaining my reasoning.

It just seems like bias as opposed to reasoning, honestly...

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

This is just like when you were arguing that snake won't be in because his games are "too mature" despite arguing for shadow.

Baloney!! I haven't said anything about Snake for weeks!! And Shadow's game is rated e10+!

 

[EmceeEspio]

Remember, Sakurai wants the most iconic, memorable, and recognizable characters in Smash, Geno and Fawful do not fit any of those requirements.

Oh trust me, Geno's memorable. Cut back to preBrawl days, he hadn't been playable in a game in over 15 years, he had liscensing issues involving permission from a third party company that would have a 40% chance of making Sakurai use Slime or Black Mage in his place anyways, and yet he STILL was so overwhelmingly popular that his smashboards forum had over 300 pages and three quarters of the internet couldn't see him not getting in. Or was I mistaken, I dunno .

And Fawful? Certainly iconic to the Mario & Luigi subseries. And he's very unique.

 

[Substitution]

It just seems like bias as opposed to reasoning, honestly...

To be fair, wasn't this all about opinions in the first place?

 

[EmceeEspio]

Baloney!! I haven't said anything about Snake for weeks!! And Shadow's game is rated e10+!

It was originally rated T, but ESRB changed it. And it was going to be rated M, but SEGA of America had Sonic Team tone it down upon hearing about the new T rating from ESRB.

 

[Muster]

Baloney!! I haven't said anything about Snake for weeks!! And Shadow's game is rated e10+!

E10+? Funny, considering how stupidly edgy it tried to be.
Shadow shouting curses when he falls into a pit? check.
Shadow shooting people because an alien eye told him to? check.
Super edgetastics opening with lots of death, explosions, and standing over a beaten up sanic before boosting at the screen? Check.

If you've changed stances on snake, then i apologize for the misunderstanding.
However, you still haven't addressed your backwards point against villains that seemingly eludes shadow.

It was originally rated T, but they changed it. And it was going to be rated M, but SEGA of America had Sonic Team tone it down upon hearing about the new T rating from ESRB.

Well, that solves that.

 

[Substitution]

Shadow shouting curses when he falls into a pit? check.
Shadow shooting people because an alien eye told him to? check.
Super edgetastics opening with lots of death, explosions, and standing over a beaten up sanic before boosting at the screen? Check.

If you've changed stances on snake, then i apologize for the misunderstanding.
However, you still haven't addressed your backwards point against villains that seemingly eludes shadow.

Well, that solves that.

I honestly found the swearing cute.
Like a thirteen-year old who just found out swear words. It's adorable.

 

[EmceeEspio]

Technically, Shadow is an anti hero. Of course not being a villan doesn't affect his chances at all. Which are slim, very very very slim. Besides, he would take the spot of other 3rd parties, and if we get lucky to have 4 or 5, they should rep different companies, like Namco, Square Enix, or Level 5.

Another Sonic character before a rep from a different company?
0/10 Would not bang.

 

[Muster]

I honestly found the swearing cute.
Like a thirteen-year old who just found out swear words. It's adorable.

The whole game is pretty much just that.
I guess somebody in Sega thought it was great to target that audience of kids that thought that sonic was becoming "too kiddy". (essentially just what is nowadays considered the COD Kid audience)

Technically, Shadow is an anti hero. Of course not being a villan doesn't affect his chances at all. Which are slim, very very very slim. Besides, he would take the spot of other 3rd parties, and if we get lucky to have 4 or 5, they should rep different companies, like Namco, Square Enix, or Level 5.

Another Sonic character before a rep from a different company?
0/10 Would not Like.

When listing Villains, he included Dedede, Meta Knight, and Wario. They could all count as anti heroes, really.
I do agree on the 3rd party point, though. If anything, Capcom or Konami should get a second rep from another game before we start getting multiple reps from the same 3rd party game.

 

[Substitution]

The whole game is pretty much just that.
I guess somebody in Sega thought it was great to target that audience of kids that thought that sonic was becoming "too kiddy". (essentially just what is nowadays considered the COD Kid audience)

The funny thing is, this game was gonna get a Teen rating.
They we're going all the way with this, no matter how stupid it is.

It's like they had the concept down, but then everything else just fell apart.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

This is honestly such a slightly biased argument.

Shadow can be playable, it's just not likely to happen this title. There's all this speculation about Nintendo buying out SEGA in the future, that would make his chances skyrocket. Don't quote me on it, because I'm not saying it's gonna happen, I'm just saying it can. If anything this title, he'd be an alternate costume for Sonic

 

[Muster]

The funny thing is, this game was gonna get a Teen rating.
They we're going all the way with this, no matter how stupid it is.

It's like they had the concept down, but then everything else just fell apart.

I'd imagine The ESRB pretty much shot them in the foot with this one. (Not like the game would've been good anyway)

This is honestly such a slightly biased argument.

Shadow can be playable, it's just not likely to happen this title. There's all this speculation about Nintendo buying out SEGA in the future, that would make his chances skyrocket. Don't quote me on it, because I'm not saying it's gonna happen, I'm just saying it can. If anything this title, he'd be an alternate costume for Sonic

If Nintendo buys sega i do think more sonic newcomers would be a lot more likely.
However, if there is still no shulk by then i will be slightly insanely pissed off.

 

[Substitution]

I'd imagine The ESRB pretty much shot them in the foot with this one. (Not like the game would've been good anyway)

It was pretty much the same only with more swearing and somewhat realistic blood.
Other than that, still would've been the same crud we got.
...
..Man we're off-topic!

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

if there is still no shulk by then i will be slightly insanely pissed off.

Me too

 

[MasterofMonster]

Aw, no one cared about my PacMan moveset. I wanted opinions. *sad face and puppy Eyes*

Anywho. ^^ Still Shadow talk here? :/

So, apart from Sonic, MegaMan, Snake, and PacMan, what third party characters are iconic enough for Smash? BomberMan? Rayman?

 

[?????????????]

If Sonic had 5 characters in SSB, go!

My picks:
-Sonic
-Tails
-Knuckles
-Shadow
-Dr. Eggman

 

[Opossum]

Aw, no one cared about my PacMan moveset. I wanted opinions. *sad face and puppy Eyes*

Anywho. ^^ Still Shadow talk here? :/

So, apart from Sonic, MegaMan, Snake, and PacMan, what third party characters are iconic enough for Smash? BomberMan? Rayman?

Honestly, besides those four? None, I feel. The only other two I'd remotely consider would be Simon Belmont (if Snake doesn't return) and maybe Layton, but even those are a stretch.

 

[Substitution]

So, apart from Sonic, MegaMan, Snake, and PacMan, what third party characters are iconic enough for Smash? BomberMan? Rayman?

If anything, I kinda want Simon Belmont.
...Mostly so we can get some Castlevania music from the Gameboy games (the music is really good, and really underrated)...

 

[Muster]

Aw, no one cared about my PacMan moveset. I wanted opinions. *sad face and puppy Eyes*

Anywho. ^^ Still Shadow talk here? :/

So, apart from Sonic, MegaMan, Snake, and PacMan, what third party characters are iconic enough for Smash? BomberMan? Rayman?

Although snake puts a stimy on him, i'd like to see simon belmont. Castlevania games were pretty fun back in the day, and a character designed around whipping and stuff would be cool.
Also, I heard layton a lot, and him being in would be neat i guess.

Edit: wow, Triple simon belmont. Do we get a jackpot?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

If Sonic had 5 characters in SSB, go!

My picks:
-Sonic
-Tails
-Knuckles
-Shadow
-Dr. Eggman

But the question is, even if Nintendo owned SEGA, would Sonic really need to bowl over on characters like that?

 

[Starcutter]

Also, @ Starcutter , Square Enix is actually mentioned in the Superstar Saga credits as being the owners of Geno. So they had to ask them to put him even in that dinky little position.

......That was my point.

If they are willing to use his likeness as a cameo they could probably get him in, but still I really doubt he'd be playable.

That's where I was going with that.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Honestly, besides those four? None, I feel. The only other two I'd remotely consider would be Simon Belmont (if Snake doesn't return) and maybe Layton, but even those are a stretch.

Forgot about Belmont. That would be pretty Epic, actually. ^^ But yeah, I agree on this.

@ Substitution
Never played the GameBoy game(s). D: But I like Castlevania's Music.

@ Muster
Ahaha, lots of Belmont love here, it seems. XD Third time's the charm. Let's see him be revealed now.

 

[Starcutter]

If Sonic had 5 characters in SSB, go!

My picks:
-Sonic
-Tails
-Knuckles
-Shadow
-Dr. Eggman

Sonic
Tails
Jet the Hawk
Knuckles
Eggman

 

[Substitution]

@ Substitution
Never played the GameBoy game(s). D: But I like Castlevania's Music.

From what I've heard (haven't played them either), they're okay at best.
Though, the music is fantastic. I'm disappointed it isn't given more recognition.

 

[?????????????]

But the question is, even if Nintendo owned SEGA, would Sonic really need to bowl over on characters like that?

Sure, why not? The series is about as big as Mario and Zelda, and has even more recurring "main characters" with obvious moveset potential.



As for third party characters we don't currently have in SSB...my favorites are SImon Belmont, Bomberman, Ryu Hayabusa, Hero (Dragon Quest), Cloud Strife, Pac-man, Lloyd Irving, and Professor Layton.

 

[False Sense]

But the question is, even if Nintendo owned SEGA, would Sonic really need to bowl over on characters like that?

Well, theoretically if Sonic was no longer Third Party, it would be a very large and iconic Nintendo franchise. After all, the Sonic series is notable enough to get Sonic in Smash to begin with, so that's saying something. It probably wouldn't go straight up to five if that were to happen, but I could easily see more Sonic characters being introduced.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Sure, why not? The series is about as big as Mario and Zelda, and has even more recurring "main characters" with obvious moveset potential.



As for third party characters we don't currently have in SSB...my favorites are SImon Belmont, Bomberman, Ryu Hayabusa, Hero (Dragon Quest), Cloud Strife, Pac-man, Lloyd Irving, and Professor Layton.

Ok, then here are my five picks
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Amy
Shadow

 

[Substitution]

Honestly, besides those four? None, I feel. The only other two I'd remotely consider would be Simon Belmont (if Snake doesn't return) and maybe Layton, but even those are a stretch.

Not really.
Castlevania has just as much connections to Nintendo like Metal Gear does, if not more.

 

[Louie G.]

Alright, if Sonic had 5 characters I would choose:
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Amy Rose
Eggman
That completes the series in my eyes.
Also. I hate Shadow nowadays.

 

[Substitution]

Also. I hate Shadow nowadays.

Eh, I'm not that big into him either.
But how come? I'm curious.

 

[Louie G.]

Eh, I'm not that big into him either.
But how come? I'm curious.

Because he has legions of annoying fans that love him for some reason.
And he tries to be way too edgy. He was cool in Sonic Adventure 2 but it went downhill from there.
I find him to be one of the most overrated characters in video game history.
ONE OF.

 

[MasterofMonster]

People, I'm sure most of you know more about PacMan than me. Tell me, what would PacMan look like in Smash? What design is seen as the 'true/best' one?

 

[Muster]

People, I'm sure most of you know more about PacMan than me. Tell me, what would PacMan look like in Smash? What design is seen as the 'true/best' one?

Obviously classic pac man, with all of his moves just being him chomping in that direction. That would be the best joke character ever.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Obviously classic pac man, with all of his moves just being him chomping in that direction. That would be the best joke character ever.

As awesome and stupid as that would be, I doubt Sakurai would make such a simple character. XD

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

People, I'm sure most of you know more about PacMan than me. Tell me, what would PacMan look like in Smash? What design is seen as the 'true/best' one?

PacMan, eh, I doubt it, but it would be cool. If we see him, he should probably be as he has been appearing of late.

 

[Louie G.]

People, I'm sure most of you know more about PacMan than me. Tell me, what would PacMan look like in Smash? What design is seen as the 'true/best' one?

Classic Pac-Man is the most well known design, but the general consensus is that it would be his Pac Man Party or Ghostly Adventures design. That doesn't mean he can't have a classic moveset though.

 

[MasterofMonster]

PacMan, eh, I doubt it, but it would be cool. If we see him, he should probably be as he has been appearing of late.

See, Cliffjumper? Now you are acting right. Doubting he'll be in the game is ok. Trying to force others to accept that he won't be in just because you hate him, is not.

So, good for you. ^^ Also, no idea when Pac-Man appeared lately.

@ Louie G.
Yeah, that design looks pretty good, actually. No teeth. XD
This is my Moveset I made yesturday. Do you Think it would fit?

PacMan
Special: Chomp. Basically, take Wario's Chomp, give him a new move, and make this Pac-Man's move. ^^ Fits so well.
Side Special: Pac-Man lets a random Ghost slide across the ground. Won't be effected by gravity.
Down Special: A Cherry will appear a set distance from Pac-Man. Pac-Man will look happy, charge forward at great speed, and eat the Cherry. If a character is standing right at the Cherry, they will turn into Eyes, float backwards a good bit (ignoring gravity) then turn to normal. Good to use very Close to a edge.
Up Special: Turns into Classic Pac-Man, and a line of White Dots will appeare above him. As they appear, you can change their direction, and PacMan will chomp away at them, damaging foes in the way. Slow but precise.
Final Smash: traps all foes in the Classic maze. It will work basically exactly like the game Pac-Man does. Chase down the opponents!
Also, his Down Smash would have him spin around as two random Ghosts swirls around him in the opposite direction. ^^ Opinions?

 

[SuperBrawler]

If Sonic had 5 characters in SSB, go!

My picks:
-Sonic
-Tails
-Knuckles
-Shadow
-Dr. Eggman

The Blue Bomber
Old Sonic
Chili Dog
Big the Cat
Froggy

 

[Substitution]

Because he has legions of annoying fans that love him for some reason.

You could say that for pretty much any character.

And he tries to be way too edgy. He was cool in Sonic Adventure 2 but it went downhill from there.

"But he needs to find out who he is!" Or something like that.
I don't mind him gameplay wise though.
Except Sonic '06, where I see him as the worst character to break the game with (Sonic has the gems, Silver has telekinesis, Shadow has... I dunno.).
But I will admit that tough guy attitude does get annoying.
"Especially when he needs to know just who he is!" For the fifth time.

I find him to be one of the most overrated characters in video game history.
ONE OF.

Honestly, I like comparing him to Linkin Park.
They aren't bad, just extremely overrated.

 

[False Sense]

Let's see, so if I were to pick out five Sonic characters for the roster, I would probably have these five, in this order:

1.) Sonic
2.) Tails (Main sidekick of the series, and sidekicks seem to be the second character added to expanding series in Smash)
3.) Eggman (Main villain of the series. Villains seem to come right after sidekicks in Smash)
4.) Knuckles (Other notable sidekick, completes the Sonic trio, but I think Eggman would have priority)
5.) Shadow/Amy (Getting into extras here, either one could work. Shadow is more popular and could have a neat chaos based moveset, but Amy also has series importance, especially with Sonic Boom. Though on the other hand, there might be riots if all these Sonic characters are added over Shadow...)