Character Discussion Thread

[Starcutter]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

uhmm.

K Rool cause Dixie to back him up.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I guess God is real since majority opinion = right.

Oh God. I can only imagine the amount of arguments you've gotten into with religious people, saying how god is obviously not real and that they're "mentally ****ing ********."

 

[AEMehr]

Male lords with headbands is a decent argument
MELEE: Marth & Roy (Male Lords with headbands)
BRAWL: Marth and Ike (Male Lords with headbands)

Deny it all you want, previous smash games prove it.

I said Lord. Not Blue-Haired Lord, not Headband wearing Lords, not Gender-Specific Lords.
Don't go changing the subject to continue this pointless argument.

Multiple games does not give you an instant spot in Smash brothers, it makes you more important, and being more important USUALLY will prioritize you. You know that. You can't say recency is a decent argument and then turn around and say importance and recurrence isn't. Especially in a series like Fire Emblem.

You say prominent, but Leif hasn't had a game since 1999. I find that hardly "prominent", he's no retro character. So don't try to use any of them to backup your claim.

You work at Intelligent Systems!? Why didn't you say something! We've all been debating Fire Emblem and you could have just told us!? Why!?
Most likely? Dang it. I thought you actually worked at IS.

You certainly provided a solid counterargument there! Way to add to the discussion.

That's an ironic thing to say after this:
and before this:

Because Intelligent Systems would clearly go for the irrelevant character instead of the current fan favorites right? Best way to advertise their franchise, clearly.

I guess the guy who predicted Wii Fit Trainer was wrong.

When a character was added for the sole purpose of being unexpected, what do you expect prior-responses for them?

I doubt you would have considered it a possibility prior to her reveal either, which is the reason she exists in the game in the first place.

Not to make you seem less credible, but just the sheer amount of how utterly wrong you are is just horrendous. "Being the only person on your side makes you wrong!" I don't think you'd be saying that on Miiverse or GameFAQ's.
I guess God is real since majority opinion = right. Being the only person on your side doesn't make you wrong. It just doesn't. I don't know how else to stress that it's just a terrible mentality.
That may be the worst mentality I've ever heard in my life. And I hear that a lot here. I wasn't going to continue this argument, but that just needs to be said.

Being the only person on your side, and having numerous counterpoint against you whilst completely ignoring every major counterpoints against you, probably makes you wrong.
Does that make more sense to you? Or do you still not understand my "***********"?

You're acting like a child if you believe that.

You're the one who had a temper tantrum at IGN's forums.
The child here is you, no offense.

IMO Majority of Smash fans don't usually have good speculation skills, we all know that and while Smashboards mostly does, Not everyone is a perfect speculator.

Obviously, Wii Fit Trainer and Rosalina & Luma are proof of that.
But we've got a general idea.

I take pride in having a minority position because it shows I'm open minded.

Who in there right mind would consider Lucina likely, but not Leif!?!?!? That makes NO sense.

Way to be open-minded.

Call me arrogant, but I personally think my speculation skills surpass others. But, so does everyone. You all probably think you're better than me too. But, only time will tell.

I find myself no better than anyone else, I only think that I'm probably more knowledgable of the subject than those that expect Master Chief, Goku, and whatnot.

If you're going in with an attitude like that, it's no wonder rarely anything gets through to you.

 

[EmceeEspio]

To bring up a new conversation, how about a character to represent the Mario RPG games?

Let's see, we have:
Geno
Fawful
Paper Mario

That about sums up anybody really likely.
(As far as MRPG characters go)

 

[Starcutter]

To bring up a new conversation, how about a character to represent the Mario RPG games?

Let's see, we have:
Geno
Fawful
Paper Mario

That about sums up anybody really likely.
(As far as MRPG characters go)

 

[EmceeEspio]

Well, he'd be unique, but he doesn't hold the same level of recognizability that the three I mentioned have (yes, even Geno). If you want to go down the M&L route, I'd say Fawful; he has the most recurring appearances and the largest role overall.

 

[Parmite]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Mewtwo. We had him once, and once is good enough. I would miss him very much, though.

 

[Rockaphin]

To bring up a new conversation, how about a character to represent the Mario RPG games?

Let's see, we have:
Geno
Fawful
Paper Mario

That about sums up anybody really likely.
(As far as MRPG characters go)

I personally like Paper Mario and feel he'd be a good newcomer for future installments. Fawful would be a great Assist Trophy and I don't see Geno getting any further than a trophy, and even that's pushing it. I like all three of those characters from their respected games. I would like for more of the RPG music to appear.

 

[EmceeEspio]

I personally like Paper Mario and feel he'd be a good newcomer for future installments. Fawful would be a great Assist Trophy and I don't see Geno getting any further than a trophy, and even that's pushing it. I like all three of those characters from their respected games. I would like for more of the RPG music to appear.

Geno has licensing issues involving Square Enix so I doubt he would be any less than playable if he was in at all. That being said, I'm personally all for Geno's inclusion.

 

[Starcutter]

Geno has licensing issues involving Square Enix so I doubt he would be any less than playable if he was in at all. That being said, I'm personally all for Geno's inclusion.

There's that thing that he's in superstar saga which is getting a VC release so he has that going for him.

 

[Muster]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Palutena.
I think it's just a bit too much favoritism for KI to have two reps already when there are still series that deserve more characters.
Also i love mewtwo, K .Rool is kool and Ridley is 2 big to be cut.

To bring up a new conversation, how about a character to represent the Mario RPG games?

Let's see, we have:
Geno
Fawful
Paper Mario

That about sums up anybody really likely.
(As far as MRPG characters go)

Geno is cool, but i'm not sure about the whole squeenix rights thing.
Paper mario is a cool idea but i'm afraid Sakurai would pull a toon link on him somehow, and i don't really like fawful.
I vote paper mario

 

[Rockaphin]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Palutena. I'd rather have Medusa or Hades.
K. Rool > Mewtwo > Ridley > Palutena

 

[3Bismyname]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Mewtwo. hands down.

 

[Lasifer]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Palutena, though I think she'll be in, I don't want her as much as the others.

 

[AEMehr]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Realistically? I'd say K. Rool.

To bring up a new conversation, how about a character to represent the Mario RPG games?

Let's see, we have:
Geno
Fawful
Paper Mario

That about sums up anybody really likely.
(As far as MRPG characters go)

Fawful for me, I think a lightweight villain would be a nice change.

 

[Deleted member]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Ridley

I'm sort of on the edge between Mewtwo & Palutena. On one hand, I'd like to have 3 new characters joining SSB4...but on the other hand, I honestly don't get Palutena & probably never will (Despite having her in my wish list for a short time)

I guess I'll go with Palutena.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

So Twitch Plays Pokemon starting Emerald reminds me... I'd love to see May in Smash Bros.

 

[EmceeEspio]

There's that thing that he's in superstar saga which is getting a VC release so he has that going for him.

While I am able to come up with several decent arguments for Geno's inclusion, I'm going to be frank. It's because of personal preference, not being realistic. Of course that doesn't mean I can't spew loads of information on why he IS viable, however.

 

[UltimateWario]

While I am able to come up with several decent arguments for Geno's inclusion, I'm going to be frank. It's because of personal preference, not being realistic. Of course that doesn't mean I can't spew loads of information on why he IS viable, however.

This is refreshing to hear.

Also, @ Starcutter , Square Enix is actually mentioned in the Superstar Saga credits as being the owners of Geno. So they had to ask them to put him even in that dinky little position.

 

[EmceeEspio]

This is refreshing to hear.

Also, @ Starcutter , Square Enix is actually mentioned in the Superstar Saga credits as being the owners of Geno. So they had to ask them to put him even in that dinky little position.

Refreshing to hear, how so might I ask?

 

[UltimateWario]

Refreshing to hear, how so might I ask?

Someone willing to admit that a character they really want isn't realistic. Geno doesn't have much of that, these days (since I'm fairly sure that most of the Geno fans around here are quite aware of his less-than-hopeful situation), but it's nice to see that some people can still tell the difference between how much you want a character and how realistic their chances are.

-coherent thought over, now rambling-

Myself, I can't even really get into unrealistic characters. I suppose if I had to name one that I'd be on board with, it'd be Captain Syrup, but I know she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, and that seems to dampen any "excitement" I have for her as a character (at list in Smash). All of my favorites are big-name newcomers who are, at the very least, pretty damn likely (Ridley, K. Rool, Mewtwo, with K. Rool probably being the least likely of the three if only because muh relevance).

I dunno. I suppose I just can't/don't allow my hopes to get in the way of reality (at least as it appears to me).

-babbling complete-

 

[Sehnsucht]

-coherent thought over, now rambling-

Myself, I can't even really get into unrealistic characters. I suppose if I had to name one that I'd be excited about, it'd be Captain Syrup, but I know she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, and that seems to dampen any "excitement" I have for her as a character (at list in Smash). All of my favorites are big-name newcomers who are, at the very least, pretty damn likely (Ridley, K. Rool, Mewtwo, with K. Rool probably being the least likely of the three if only because muh relevance).

I dunno. I suppose I just can't/don't allow my hopes to get in the way of reality (at least as it appears to me).

-babbling complete-

I found this rather convenient, on my end. When I came to find that my most wanted Newcomers just so happened to be very probable for this coming Smash iteration, I found myself both very eager and rather relieved.

Of the Big Names you mention, we're at least getting two out of three (I agree with your Mewtwo>Ridley> K Rool in terms of hierarchy). In addition to that, I'm just waiting on Ganondorf to be confirmed, and I ended up discovering Takamaru, who is very probable and whom I find interesting as well (I'm banking on his reveal in April's Direct).

If my signature below is any indication, I'm expecting at least 7/10 of my "most-interested-to-play" characters to be confirmed, so I think I will end up being very pleased with SSB4's roster.

NOTE: I put Shulk there because he seems fairly interesting, though I haven't actually played Xenoblade, and don't think Shulk to be quite so probable as the rest. You could replace Shulk with other interesting Newcomers (Ghirahim/Lip/Palutena/etc.).

 

[EmceeEspio]

Someone willing to admit that a character they really want isn't realistic. Geno doesn't have much of that, these days (since I'm fairly sure that most of the Geno fans around here are quite aware of his less-than-hopeful situation), but it's nice to see that some people can still tell the difference between how much you want a character and how realistic their chances are.

-coherent thought over, now rambling-

Myself, I can't even really get into unrealistic characters. I suppose if I had to name one that I'd be on board with, it'd be Captain Syrup, but I know she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, and that seems to dampen any "excitement" I have for her as a character (at list in Smash). All of my favorites are big-name newcomers who are, at the very least, pretty damn likely (Ridley, K. Rool, Mewtwo, with K. Rool probably being the least likely of the three if only because muh relevance).

I dunno. I suppose I just can't/don't allow my hopes to get in the way of reality (at least as it appears to me).

-babbling complete-

In the end, Smash Brothers is a game, and as long as it's a good idea, I'm happy with it. (Oh yes, and a new side special for Sonic would be just great, too, also) And all in all, this is supposed to represent the history of Nintendo, even the third parties. Snake represents 3rd party M rated support during the GC days, Sonic is the end of Nintendo and Sega's rivalry, Mega man was a huge part of the early console days, ( even some of my ideas, Geno is the result of Square and Nintendo's biggest collaborated creation, PAC Man is, well, PAC MAN)... It's all about the timeline and Smash is the beautifully crafted presentation. Now if you excuse me, I'm going to go listen to "The History of Nintendo". Catchy song.

 

[Staarih]

While I am able to come up with several decent arguments for Geno's inclusion, I'm going to be frank. It's because of personal preference, not being realistic. Of course that doesn't mean I can't spew loads of information on why he IS viable, however.

I think many of us Geno fans are like this. We've sort of accepted that he's a pretty tricky character to get in, but still know the potential he has (and the popularity he has... or has had at least before Brawl). Nowadays it's more of a preference thing than actually seeing him get in. Funny really how a single appearance in a single game made the impact that it did with Geno. It's really a shame he isn't pushed more, since he definitely has potential (the "new Rosalina" as I'd imagine him, though Rosalina still needs her time (and own games?) to shine and really solidify her status). Oh well. If Geno does miraculously get in then Smash 4 is a must buy just because of that!

But speaking of support for characters, what happens when the characters you support all do get in the game, haha? Or does everyone have "realistic" choices and then "unrealistic" choices, so when the realistic ones get in, they quietly begin to support the unrealistic ones? Or will it become just complete satisfaction of the game and characters, and no speculation for inclusions is needed anymore?
-- I think only some of the characters I support (in my signature) will actually make it in, so I'll probably have a few extras to continue and support in the future haha, indicating a Smash 5 will come at some point.

 

[Leafeon523]

But speaking of support for characters, what happens when the characters you support all do get in the game, haha? Or does everyone have "realistic" choices and then "unrealistic" choices, so when the realistic ones get in, they quietly begin to support the unrealistic ones? Or will it become just complete satisfaction of the game and characters, and no speculation for inclusions is needed anymore?
-- I think only some of the characters I support (in my signature) will actually make it in, so I'll probably have a few extras to continue and support in the future haha, indicating a Smash 5 will come at some point.[/quote]

While I agree that everyone has realistic and unrealistic character wants, I could never imagine being completely sastisfied with the roster, because that takes all of the fun out of predicting he next one! There are plenty of "realistic" characters I want in (Chrom, Takamaru, Shulk) some less realistic ones (Saki, Ray 01) and then impossible ones that there is no point arguing over. (Ashley for ssb5 anyone?)

 

[Parmite]

I think I have a really good prediction for one of the newcomers. And quote me on this ****, because I feel really good about this one.

April, 20th. Chrom revealed.

I know that anniversaries usually mean nothing, but for some reason, I feel that Sakurai would want to reveal a character on a nintendo direct while also revealing him on an anniversary. I mean, they did it with Little Mac, didn't they? So while everyone doesn't know the newcomer being revealed, I'm gonna be like...

"Yeah, my boy Chrom should show up any minute now."

 

[False Sense]

I think I have a really good prediction for one of the newcomers. And quote me on this ****, because I feel really good about this one.

April, 20th. Chrom revealed.

I know that anniversaries usually mean nothing, but for some reason, I feel that Sakurai would want to reveal a character on a nintendo direct while also revealing him on an anniversary. I mean, they did it with Little Mac, didn't they? So while everyone doesn't know the newcomer being revealed, I'm gonna be like...

"Yeah, my boy Chrom should show up any minute now."

At the very least, a Fire Emblem newcomer seems like one of the more plausible possibilities for a Direct reveal. There are other possible characters to be revealed that month like Takamary (or any other Fire Emblem character that isn't Chrom), but it does stand out as a likely scenario. I would also seriously expect a Fire Emblem newcomer in April if, sometime before the next Direct, we get a random reveal of Ike. If that series completion theory is correct, that would open up Fire Emblem to a newcomer near the last possible minute, suggesting that Ike would have been revealed so that the next Direct could give us a Fire Emblem character.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

K. Rool, because we don't need him in the game as much as we do Dixie Kong. K Rool is pretty much outdated.

To bring up a new conversation, how about a character to represent the Mario RPG games?

Let's see, we have:
Geno
Fawful
Paper Mario

That about sums up anybody really likely.
(As far as MRPG characters go)

Paper Mario. Remember, Sakurai wants the most iconic, memorable, and recognizable characters in Smash, Geno and Fawful do not fit any of those requirements.

 

[Opossum]

K. Rool, because we don't need him in the game as much as we do Dixie Kong. K Rool is pretty much outdated.

That doesn't matter at all. He's more necessary than Dixie is. He's done more for the series as a whole.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

That doesn't matter at all. He's more necessary than Dixie is. He's done more for the series as a whole.

Mmm, idk about him being more necessary than Dixie. It's been a long time since his last canon appearance. If only he would've been in Returns or Tropical Freeze, then I would consider him as a possibility.

 

[Opossum]

Mmm, idk about him being more necessary than Dixie. It's been a long time since his last canon appearance. If only he would've been in Returns or Tropical Freeze, then I would consider him as a possibility.

So missing two games negates his importance to the series? Not buying that. He's the major villain of the franchise. Dixie's just a tertiary protagonist.

 

[False Sense]

Mmm, idk about him being more necessary than Dixie. It's been a long time since his last canon appearance. If only he would've been in Returns or Tropical Freeze, then I would consider him as a possibility.

It's probably worth noting that Ganondorf did not appear in the latest Zelda game when he was added into Melee. And that Smash tends to put in villains before secondary sidekicks.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

So missing two games negates his importance to the series? Not buying that. He's the major villain of the franchise. Dixie's just a tertiary protagonist.

Well, let me put it to you this way, we have , and confirmed, and , , , and waiting to be confirmed. That's plenty of villains for now, I was thinking that if by a longshot we get another villain, he would not have any connection with the Mario franchise. The only other villain I can see coming in is likely to appear in the fifth title rather than this one.

 

[False Sense]

Well, let me put it to you this way, we have , and confirmed, and , , , and waiting to be confirmed. That's plenty of villains for now, I was thinking that if by a longshot we get another villain, he would not have any connection with the Mario franchise. The only other villain I can see coming in is likely to appear in the fifth title rather than this one.

I don't think "villains" is a category of characters we can have too much of...

 

[Opossum]

Well, let me put it to you this way, we have , and confirmed, and , , , and waiting to be confirmed. That's plenty of villains for now, I was thinking that if by a longshot we get another villain, he would not have any connection with the Mario franchise. The only other villain I can see coming in is likely to appear in the fifth title rather than this one.

There hasn't been a set number of villains we're allowed to get. You're grasping at straws.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

There hasn't been a set number of villains we're allowed to get. You're grasping at straws.

STRAWS?!?!?!?!?! All I was doing in the first place is explain why I see Dixie Kong coming in over King K Rool.

 

[Opossum]

STRAWS?!?!?!?!?! All I was doing in the first place is explain why I see Dixie Kong coming in over King K Rool.

Yes, straws. The "we have too many villains" thing just seems like a last-ditch way to undermine K. Rool.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Yes, straws. The "we have too many villains" thing just seems like a last-ditch way to undermine K. Rool.

Whatever. All I'm doing is explaining my reasoning.

 

[Substitution]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Let's see, which one would be the least likely to get e dead....

...Mewtwo. We already have Lucario. And knowing how Brawl could live, I don't see why SSB4 won't either.
And now, let me hide in my shelter in case of a flame war.

 

[Muster]

I think I have a really good prediction for one of the newcomers. And quote me on this ****, because I feel really good about this one.

April, 20th. Chrom revealed.

I know that anniversaries usually mean nothing, but for some reason, I feel that Sakurai would want to reveal a character on a nintendo direct while also revealing him on an anniversary. I mean, they did it with Little Mac, didn't they? So while everyone doesn't know the newcomer being revealed, I'm gonna be like...

"Yeah, my boy Chrom should show up any minute now."

That's nice and all, but april 20th is a sunday.
I'm still holding onto a dream of Chrom on a FE X SMT part of a direct.

Whatever. All I'm doing is explaining my reasoning.

And your "reasoning" is just grasping at straws.
This is just like when you were arguing that snake won't be in because his games are "too mature" despite arguing for shadow , who had is own (****ty) game all about shooting, killing, and cussing. Heck, If Meta Knight counts as a villain, so does shadow, meaning you're arguing against yourself here.