Character Discussion Thread

[Sehnsucht]

Besides, Looseina is a tramp. Can't have that in a kiddy fighting game.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Leif's chances are as equal as any other past lord IMO, he'll be passed over for an Awakening character. And I definitely don't think IS is going to promote him.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

There is also Pokemon to consider.

When it comes to Pokemon we already know that popularity is what's most important, so just bring back the original Pokemon Trainer and Mewtwo.

 

[AEMehr]

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Lucina is one of the three main characters in Awakening, Awakening saved the franchise, Lucina is currently the most popular female Fire Emblem character.

These are true statements.

I have never said:
• Lucina being a girl means she's more likely.
• People bought Awakening for the sole factor of Lucina and Chrom being in the game.
• Being on the box means you're good for smash.

I also mentioned "Multiple games =/= Instant Spot in Smash Brothers" because of Toad. Not to make you seem less credible.

It's also the god damn truth. Toads are in every Mario game, and look at what they get. Bodyguard duty.
Same goes for Bowser Junior, who has made consistent appearances since his debut in the Gamecube Era. Guess who made it before him? The fan favorite who is only in Three Mainstream Mario games.
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Muh recency is a decent argument when it comes to Fire Emblem and Pokémon.
Deny it all you want, but the previous Smash games prove it.
MELEE: Roy (Recent Lord)
BRAWL: Ike (Recent Lord)

If Sakurai asks Intelligent Systems who he could add into Smash Brothers, they're only going to suggest the Recent Lords (Who are Chrom and Lucina).
Of course they could suggest Robin too, if they want to keep the avatar system in future Fire Emblem games and market that. But otherwise IS will most likely suggest to the Lords. Who just happen to both be on the cover, both just happen to the most popular characters of the game (Chrom being the most popular male, Lucina being the most popular female).
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An opinion is an opinion Saturn, don't mess it up with the facts. Because if you're the only one fighting on your side, clearly the one who must be wrong is you.

If you wanna keep pouting, please say it to our faces. You're acting like a bigot.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

When it comes to Pokemon we already know that popularity is what's most important, so just bring back the original Pokemon Trainer and Mewtwo.

That and fire red and leaf green brought all that back to the forefront at the time as well, his design is from those remakes as well.

 

[Chandeelure]

Ugh... I hope Sakurai reveals Ike and the FE newcomer (if there is one) soon because that would be the end of this FE discussions.

 

[Parmite]

Ugh... I hope Sakurai reveals Ike and the FE newcomer (if there is one) soon because that will be the end of this discussions.

If Sakurai reveals anything at all, it would stop this discussion.

 

[False Sense]

If Sakurai reveals anything at all, it would stop this discussion.

Not exactly... An Ike reveal would probably just lead to more intense debate over the Fire Emblem newcomer, minus the idea of Ike being cut. Even after a newcomer reveal, there would probably still be lingering support for a 4th character, much like there is for a 6th Mario character.

 

[Starcutter]

FE discussion is annoying because I really don't ****ing care. as long as we get Ike, then all is good.

 

[IsmaR]

Ugh... I hope Sakurai reveals Ike and the FE newcomer (if there is one) soon because that would be the end of this FE discussions.

They will never be over. Even after the game is out, they will still persist.

 

[Joe D.]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If it's time constraints, it's gotta be Ridley.
I would personally cut K. Rool, because I really never found his abilities that interesting for some weird reason.

 

[Sehnsucht]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Palutena, because if I can have the three others as a result, I'll gladly take them over the rest. 8D

Though for the record, Palutena seems cool enough.

 

[SuperBrawler]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Ridley: don't care but would be disappointed because no air grabs.
K. Rool: I like Cranky Kong better. But would probably be very disappointed.
Palutena: Hades is cool. I don't really care all that much about her, either.
Mewtwo: I dunno, I don't really care of him, and Eevee or Pichu or Zoroark would be cool too.

I'd probably choose Mewtwo.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I would choose K. Rool because there's Dixie to fall back on.

 

[UltimateWario]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

If these were the characters up for cuts, I'd probably go to Japan and behead Sakurai myself.

In that horrid hypothetical, however, I'd drop Palutena. Not just because she's the only one that I don't like or have any attachment to, but because we have plenty of magical chicks to go around. Ridley and K. Rool have been waiting to get into Smash since Melee, and Mewtwo should've never been cut in the first place.

Sorry, Palutena fans, but we've been waiting a looooooot longer than you guys have.

 

[Sehnsucht]

If these were the characters up for cuts, I'd probably go to Japan and behead Sakurai myself.

With a baseball bat?

Badass, brah.

 

[Joe D.]

If these were the characters up for cuts, I'd probably go to Japan and behead Sakurai myself.

You've gotta pick one George

 

[False Sense]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Oh, definitely Palutena. To me, Palutena has always been a character that would be neat, and makes sense, but isn't necessary given the small size of the Kid Icarus series and the importance of other potential characters. Characters like Mewtwo, K. Rool, and Ridley are, I think, more important as Nintendo All-Stars overall, and thus take priority. However, this is only how I would decide things. That leak may indicate that Sakurai doesn't think the same about these characters, and he may just give Palutena priority. Or, maybe he does think the same way, which means that all the other necessary characters are already in... I can dream, I guess.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Id cut K rool, ive never liked him at all, so its an easy choice for me.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Id cut K rool, ive never liked him at all, so its an easy choice for me.

I would have pinned you as a friend to all reptiles, given your affinity for Snakes.

Guess I was mistaken.

 

[Arcadenik]

CONTROVERSY TIME!

Let's say in theory that out of Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, one of them had to be cut due to time constraints. Who would you want to cut and why? Yes you have to pick one.

Definitely King K. Rool... having Ridley, Palutena, and Mewtwo would compensate the lack of King K. Rool... he isn't going to make people run to stores to buy Tropical Freeze... the other three could motivate people into buying Other M, Uprising, and X & Y.

Ridley is the most wanted Nintendo villain. Palutena is the most wanted Nintendo female. Mewtwo is the most wanted Pokemon. Yes, King K. Rool is one of the most wanted Nintendo characters but more people want Ridley and he would satisfy the "most wanted Nintendo villain" request more adequately than King K. Rool would.

 

[False Sense]

Definitely King K. Rool... having Ridley, Palutena, and Mewtwo would compensate the lack of King K. Rool... he isn't going to make people run to stores to buy Tropical Freeze... the other three could motivate people into buying Other M, Uprising, and X & Y.

Ridley is the most wanted Nintendo villain. Palutena is the most wanted Nintendo female. Mewtwo is the most wanted Pokemon. Yes, King K. Rool is one of the most wanted Nintendo characters but more people want Ridley and he would satisfy the "most wanted Nintendo villain" request more adequately than King K. Rool would.

I think K. Rool is a more popular request than Ridley, actually. Ridley is mostly popular in the West, while K. Rool has worldwide popularity. He's one of the most wanted newcomers in the world.

 

[Arcadenik]

I think K. Rool is a more popular request than Ridley, actually. Ridley is mostly popular in the West, while K. Rool has worldwide popularity. He's one of the most wanted newcomers in the world.

Yes... but Dixie Kong is popular too... and she would satisfy the international need for a Donkey Kong newcomer... and make people want to buy Tropical Freeze... while Ridley would satisfy the West.

 

[Joe D.]

If I had to pick, it would be Palutena. Only reason is because I feel we can get more out of the other picks. I still want all of them in.

 

[False Sense]

Yes... but Dixie Kong is popular too... and she would satisfy the international need for a Donkey Kong newcomer... and make people want to buy Tropical Freeze... while Ridley would satisfy the West.

But that wouldn't satisfy the "most wanted Nintendo villain" request you mentioned. That's a void that K. Rool, and only K. Rool, can fill.

Unless you count Mewtwo, but that's a bit debatable...

 

[Joe D.]

But that wouldn't satisfy the "most wanted Nintendo villain" request you mentioned. That's a void that K. Rool, and only K. Rool, can fill.

Unless you count Mewtwo, but that's a bit debatable...

I wouldn't classify Mewtwo as a villain, especially after his role in the new movie.

 

[False Sense]

I wouldn't classify Mewtwo as a villain, especially after his role in the new movie.

Yep. That's why I would say it's debatable. Probably more of an anti-hero than anything.

 

[Pacack]

I wouldn't classify Mewtwo as a villain, especially after his role in the new movie.

Different Mewtwo, to be fair. The thing that makes it really debateable is the villainous Mewtwo's change of heart.

 

[IsmaR]

If we're speaking strictly anime, I'd say Origins Mewtwo shows it in a much more villainous light. The thing nearly killed Red/Blue.

 

[UltimateWario]

Origins is the closest thing we have to a "canon" movie or cartoon, so I'm hoping that Mewtwo's mannerisms and animations, if redone, would be based on that rather than the nonsensical, girly Mewtwotwo from the most recent movie.

 

[False Sense]

Oh great, I started a discussion on Mewtwo's personality...

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

If we're speaking strictly anime, I'd say Origins Mewtwo shows it in a much more villainous light. The thing nearly killed Red/Blue.

well at least more animalistic, pretty much acting like any cornered animal would in that situation.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Muh recency is a decent argument when it comes to Fire Emblem and Pokémon.
Deny it all you want, but the previous Smash games prove it.
MELEE: Roy (Recent Lord)
BRAWL: Ike (Recent Lord)

Male lords with headbands is a decent argument
MELEE: Marth & Roy (Male Lords with headbands)
BRAWL: Marth and Ike (Male Lords with headbands)

Deny it all you want, previous smash games prove it.

Multiple games does not give you an instant spot in Smash brothers, it makes you more important, and being more important USUALLY will prioritize you. You know that. You can't say recency is a decent argument and then turn around and say importance and recurrence isn't. Especially in a series like Fire Emblem.

If Sakurai asks Intelligent Systems who he could add into Smash Brothers, they're only going to suggest the Recent Lords (Who are Chrom and Lucina).

You work at Intelligent Systems!? Why didn't you say something! We've all been debating Fire Emblem and you could have just told us!? Why!?

Of course they could suggest Robin too, if they want to keep the avatar system in future Fire Emblem games and market that. But otherwise IS will most likely suggest to the Lords.

Most likely? Dang it. I thought you actually worked at IS.

An opinion is an opinion Saturn, don't mess it up with the facts.

That's an ironic thing to say after this:

If Sakurai asks Intelligent Systems who he could add into Smash Brothers, they're only going to suggest the Recent Lords (Who are Chrom and Lucina).

and before this:

Because if you're the only one fighting on your side, clearly the one who must be wrong is you.

I guess the guy who predicted Wii Fit Trainer was wrong.

Not to make you seem less credible, but just the sheer amount of how utterly wrong you are is just horrendous. "Being the only person on your side makes you wrong!" I don't think you'd be saying that on Miiverse or GameFAQ's.

I guess God is real since majority opinion = right. Being the only person on your side doesn't make you wrong. It just doesn't. I don't know how else to stress that it's just a terrible mentality.

You're acting like a child if you believe that.

That may be the worst mentality I've ever heard in my life. And I hear that a lot here. I wasn't going to continue this argument, but that just needs to be said.

IMO Majority of Smash fans don't usually have good speculation skills, we all know that and while Smashboards mostly does, Not everyone is a perfect speculator. I take pride in having a minority position because it shows I'm open minded.

Call me arrogant, but I personally think my speculation skills surpass others. But, so does everyone. You all probably think you're better than me too. But, only time will tell.

 

[Joe D.]

Well rather than discussing Mewtwo's E-harmony profile, let's move to something else:

So I understand that we've talked about this character before, and ALOT of people on this forum are not very fond of her, but bare with me!

So, if we are to get Krystal in this game, which game would you think they would take her appearence from? Adventures, Assault, or Command? Also, would you think that most of her moveset would be based from her staff? Guns from assault? Or maybe even a mixture of both?

I figured a controversial character would stir up this forum a wee bit :D

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well rather than discussing Mewtwo's E-harmony profile, let's move to something else:

So I understand that we've talked about this character before, and ALOT of people on this forum are not very fond of her, but bare with me!

So, if we are to get Krystal in this game, which game would you think they would take her appearence from? Adventures, Assault, or Command? Also, would you think that most of her moveset would be based from her staff? Guns from assault? Or maybe even a mixture of both?

I figured a controversial character would stir up this forum a wee bit :D

Is there any real question about that? There is no reason she wouldn't take her command design.

 

[IsmaR]

The Krystal thread seems to have unanimously agreed it would be a hybrid of her Assault and Command outfits (ala Fox/Falco/Wolf. This is often posted there, possibly an Adventures costume too), with the staff being her main (but not only) boon.

Basically people want her to stray from being a standard spacie clone, but realize that they might share some similarities.

well at least more animalistic, pretty much acting like any cornered animal would in that situation.

I would say this goes a little far for acting like a cornered animal. Not trying to justify anything, given the whole tortured past deal it has going, but Mewtwo was portrayed/thought of as the true "final boss" of the original games, in which I think Origins' depiction this is best shown off.

 

[Joe D.]

Is there any real question about that? There is no reason she wouldn't take her command design.

Well I brought it up because in her com chats in brawl, she is seen in her Assault attire. I just thought it would be an option, although the Hybrid design is very fitting. Saturn, I know based on your opinion of her, this is the last topic you'd want to be discussing (Not an offensive statement.)

 

[Starcutter]

origins was good, I watched it before it was translated.


also, was it translated? I don't have a clue.

 

[False Sense]

Male lords with headbands is a decent argument
MELEE: Marth & Roy (Male Lords with headbands)
BRAWL: Marth and Ike (Male Lords with headbands)

Deny it all you want, previous smash games prove it.

Multiple games does not give you an instant spot in Smash brothers, it makes you more important, and being more important USUALLY will prioritize you. You know that. You can't say recency is a decent argument and then turn around and say importance and recurrence isn't. Especially in a series like Fire Emblem.

I would rather like to see proof that recency means nothing when it comes to Fire Emblem characters. Based on previously seen patterns and the nature of Fire Emblem games, it seems sensible that a new character added to the roster would be one from the most recent (and very successful) game. Do you have evidence that would show that this line of thinking is completely baseless?