Character Discussion Thread

[Parmite]

Nah, I would put money on the fact we aren't going to get another character. But I could be wrong.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

BluePikmin needs to turn Sable's mouth upside down. I'm searching for a picture of a sad Rosalina right now.

At least I stayed true to the bet I lost to 9Volt.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Not getting a character this month would be bad, but I'll bet my remaining kidney we're getting somebody next week.

It would be cool to get an end of fiscal year direct, but I'm thinking we're just going to get a veteran. We'll have to wait and see to find out who though.

Also, I do think it's strange that it's been forever since we got somebody. This is the longest wait I think we've had so far.

 

[Staarih]

This is the longest wait I think we've had so far.

This is what @ Fatmanonice posted in the Miiverse Daily Pic thread:

Marth to Rosalina- 40 days
Sonic to Marth- 37 days
Luigi to Peach- 35 days

Currently I think we're around almost 30 days since Diddy, but we'll see how long the gap will be this time.

 

[Tepig2000]

As promised, I changed my avatar for one week.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

As promised, I changed my avatar for one week.

Now we just need Blue to get his avi worked out.

 

[UltimateWario]

As promised, I changed my avatar for one week.

Oh, man up, Rosalina. When Samus's parents were killed, and did she just cry about it? No, she hunted the ****** that did it down and put him in the ground six times.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Now we just need Blue to get his avi worked out.

Just waiting for that character reveal this month. (Please Sakurai)

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Oh, man up, Rosalina. When Samus's parents were killed, and did she just cry about it? No, she hunted the ****er that did it down and put him in the ground six times.

THAT WAS A JOKE!!!!!!! Tepig, Myself, SuperBrawler, and Blue all lost bets!

 

[Tepig2000]

Just waiting for that character reveal this month. (Please Sakurai)

This is the first time I don't want a character reveal to happen.

 

[Fatmanonice]

This is what @ Fatmanonice posted in the Miiverse Daily Pic thread:

Marth to Rosalina- 40 days
Sonic to Marth- 37 days
Luigi to Peach- 35 days

Currently I think we're around almost 30 days since Diddy, but we'll see how long the gap will be this time.

Actually, we're currently at 28 but I've just noticed something... all of these big gaps either began or ended with a Nintendo Direct so, because Diddy wasn't Direct related, there's a pretty good chance that the "drought" will be ended with a Direct. If Sakurai held off until the first day of April (which is a Tuesday) that would put us at 39, one day less than the gap between Marth and Rosalina.

 

[9Volt]

Oh, man up, Rosalina. When Samus's parents were killed, and did she just cry about it? No, she hunted the ****er that did it down and put him in the ground six times.

Let´s go kill sakurai six times them!

 

[Baskerville]

Oh, man up, Rosalina. When Samus's parents were killed, and did she just cry about it? No, she hunted the ****er that did it down and put him in the ground six times.

Then suddenly got PTSD when she saw him the 6th time....
For whatever reason

 

[Gunla]

So... seeing how we've gotten nothing this month and we usually get a few...
Why do I feel like we'll be seeing a duo counterpart (ZSS or Sheik) this month? Or trio? He is 3 characters, after all.

 

[Substitution]

Then suddenly got PTSD when she saw him the 6th time....
For whatever reason

Cause drama or something like that.

 

[CalumG]

Put in this fly (pun intended) mothertrucker.

His moveset could be based around multiple jumps like Kirby and a plentitude of spin-based aerial attacks. He could have a spin-based down-B and down-aerial a la Melee Mario, a cartwheel akin to Diddy Kong, an Up-B where he spins with his arms out like Donkey Kong (but with far more height than distance on it) and all manner of aerial moves where he does flips, spins and twirls. For his Final Smash he could bring out his Helirin, which would behave like it does in the games, except touching it does massive damage. He's not popular but he could certainly be unique.

Never gonna happen, but a man can dream. )':

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yeah, well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Speaking in absolutes seems to be okay when people agree with the opinion. But, once someone disagrees...

 

[Tepig2000]

So... seeing how we've gotten nothing this month and we usually get a few...
Why do I feel like we'll be seeing a duo counterpart (ZSS or Sheik) this month? Or trio? He is 3 characters, after all.

I would love if the trainer was revealed. Then all of my mains would be confirmed.

 

[Shorts]

Ok, now there's the first deconfirmation I really dislike.

I wasn't expecting Phosphora to be playable, but she had so much potential for being an AT and she was totally deserving this role !

So, Phosphora and Viridii are Trophy/stage hazards

Palutena is probably playable.

Who's the AT?

 

[Substitution]

So, Phosphora and Viridii are Trophy/stage hazards

Palutena is probably playable.

Who's the AT?

Magnus/Centurion is my guess.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

So, Phosphora and Viridii are Trophy/stage hazards

Palutena is probably playable.

Who's the AT?

Magnus?

 

[Tepig2000]

So, Phosphora and Viridii are Trophy/stage hazards

Palutena is probably playable.

Who's the AT?

I think it is either Medusa or Hades. The most iconic characters after Pit and Palutena.

 

[Parmite]

If a character is revealed next week, newcomer or veteran, I will change my picture to Jerry Seinfeld for a month.

I'm confident.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

If a character is revealed next week, I will keep my avatar the exact same.
And if a character isn't, I'll keep it the same anyway.

Seriously guys, it was cute the first time. Quit talking about your self-imposed bets and contribute to discussion!

 

[M23-X0]

So, Phosphora and Viridii are Trophy/stage hazards

Palutena is probably playable.

Who's the AT?

Magnus or Dark Pit for AT, and Medusa or Hades for boss.
Seeing Phosphora only as a trophy make me sad

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

If a character is revealed next week, I will keep my avatar the exact same.
And if a character isn't, I'll keep it the same anyway.

Seriously guys, it was cute the first time. Quit talking about your self-imposed bets and contribute to discussion!

Well, we're bored! We need a topic to start talking. How about this? If by a longshot we get a Pokemon rep from gen 5 or 6, who will it be?

 

[Chandeelure]

Oh, man up, Rosalina. When Samus's parents were killed, and did she just cry about it? No, she hunted the ****er that did it down and put him in the ground six times.

And she is still crap in Smash XD

 

[AEMehr]

Speaking in absolutes seems to be okay when people agree with the opinion. But, once someone disagrees...

I dunno, I think it's kinda rude to say stuff like...
"Who in there right mind would consider Lucina likely, but not Leif!?!?!? That makes NO sense."
Because you don't see any appeal in that character personally.

Heck, you could pretty much fit that in with any opinion, really.
"Who in their right mind would consider Ridley likely, but not Sylux!?!?!? That makes NO sense."
I mean just because you can't imagine it, it doesn't anybody else shouldn't be able to either.


And to answer your question,

I had no idea Lucina was remotely likely in any way imaginable.

Playing Awakening, like you claimed to have done, would answer that.

It's not like she's a major plot character, on the cover of the box, and is the most popular female character in awakening or anything.

 

[Starcutter]

Glad that I don't have to be Barney Rubble.


So what's the topic now?

Put in this fly (pun intended) mothertrucker.

His moveset could be based around multiple jumps like Kirby and a plentitude of spin-based aerial attacks. He could have a spin-based down-B and down-aerial a la Melee Mario, a cartwheel akin to Diddy Kong, an Up-B where he spins with his arms out like Donkey Kong (but with far more height than distance on it) and all manner of aerial moves where he does flips, spins and twirls. For his Final Smash he could bring out his Helirin, which would behave like it does in the games, except touching it does massive damage. He's not popular but he could certainly be unique.

Never gonna happen, but a man can dream. )':

Would be cool, really wouldn't mind if he got in.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Heck, you could pretty much fit that in with any opinion, really.
"Who in their right mind would consider Ridley likely, but not Sylux!?!?!? That makes NO sense."

Except the difference would be that the statement I made was based on logic and not randomly picking two characters from the same franchise.

And to answer your question,

Playing Awakening, like you claimed to have done, would answer that.

It's not that I haven't played it, it's just that it didn't answer my question. If you played Spirit Tracks you'd realize why Toon Zelda is so unique.

Love how you think I haven't played Awakening just because I don't agree with you.

It's not like she's a major plot character, on the cover of the box, and is the most popular female character in awakening or anything.

Is this relevant at all?

I guess if Dark Pit was on the cover Uprising he'd be a likely character despite that he's the same as Pit and he''d be responsible for saving the franchise so he should get in over Palutena. And Adeline should be in Melee cuz she's the most popular female in Kirby 64.

I don't see you vouching for the Crawmad from Pikmin 2 because he's on the cover of the box art.

Also, why is being from Awakening so significant? What about the fact that Leif was actually in 2 games?

 

[TumblrFamous]

If a character is revealed next week, I will keep my avatar the exact same.
And if a character isn't, I'll keep it the same anyway.

Seriously guys, it was cute the first time. Quit talking about your self-imposed bets and contribute to discussion!

Preach it, sister.

I think a character has to come next week. I am most certain.

 

[Curious Villager]

Watch as Sakurai holds off revealing any veterans until the very last day of March.

Ah well, I'm hoping for a random reveal sometime soon.

 

[Louie G.]

Actually, we're currently at 28 but I've just noticed something... all of these big gaps either began or ended with a Nintendo Direct so, because Diddy wasn't Direct related, there's a pretty good chance that the "drought" will be ended with a Direct. If Sakurai held off until the first day of April (which is a Tuesday) that would put us at 39, one day less than the gap between Marth and Rosalina.

I worry about what an April Fools Day reveal may have in store...

 

[AEMehr]

Except the difference would be that the statement I made was based on logic and not randomly picking two characters from the same franchise.

I did exactly what you did, just with two different characters.
Would you understand if I put in Dark Samus instead of Sylux?

It's not that I haven't played it, it's just that it didn't answer my question.

It answers your question because the character is relevant, popular, and is requested a lot.

If you played Spirit Tracks you'd realize why Toon Zelda is so unique.

I've played Spirit Tracks, it's probably my favorite Zelda game.

The sad truth about Toon Zelda is that she is Toon Zelda. A character whose fate is to end up being essentially the same as her existing counterpart, as it is a rule.

Is this relevant at all?

Read Above.

I guess if Dark Pit was on the cover Uprising he'd be a likely character

Dark Pit is a plausible candidate, can't deny that. Even if you can't see it, he is.

despite that he's the same as Pit and he''d be responsible for saving the franchise so he should get in over Palutena.

Way to grasp at straws, I can't wait to see the next Kid Icarus game in 23 years. Franchise saved indeed.

And Adeline should be in Melee cuz she's the most popular female in Kirby 64.

Adeline would never get in over Meta Knight and King Dedede, plus she was a side character in the game and wasn't actually created by Sakurai. I doubt we'll see anything from her in future Smash games if Sakurai continues to be in charge.

I don't see you vouching for the Crawmad from Pikmin 2 because he's on the cover of the box art.

I don't remember Crawmad being pivotal character in Pikmin 2 or being one of the most popular.

You see these aspects in separation may not mean much, but Lucina is all three of these things and more. You can't write her off because "muh she looks like marth, seems uninteresting to me".

Also, why is being from Awakening so significant? What about the fact that Leif was actually in 2 games?

Maybe because there would never be another Fire Emblem game if Awakening didn't succeed??
Multiple games =/= instant spot in smash brothers
It didn't help Leif in Melee and Brawl, not helping Leif now.

 

[Louie G.]

Saturn, do you understand that Awakening actually did save the series?
If it was a failure Fire Emblem would be discontinued.
If it succeeded he series would go on.
It is perhaps the most important FE game of all time, and that at least deserves character representation.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Except the difference would be that the statement I made was based on logic and not randomly picking two characters from the same franchise.

You say you're using logic, yet you think Leif is the more logical choice than Lucina.

Leif, a Japanese-only lord who has only had an important role all the way back in the SNES era and has not been referenced once in the series beyond his games. Besides, you know, the same treatment every single other lord got in Awakening that doesn't put him above anyone else.

And yet this is more logical than using the game's cover-art girl and major story character... Because?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I did exactly what you did, just with two different characters.
Would you understand if I put in Dark Samus instead of Sylux?

Except I was using logic.

It answers your question because the character is relevant, popular, and is requested a lot.

I don't have to play the game to know that. And Pichu is relevant and popular.

The sad truth about Toon Zelda is that she is Toon Zelda. A character whose fate is to end up being essentially the same as her existing counterpart, as it is a rule.

Oh, right. I forgot the clone/pseudo clone mentality doesn't apply to Luigi, Falco, and Lucas. So it clearly won't apply to Lucina.

Dark Pit is a plausible candidate, can't deny that.

I don't know what to say without being extremely, extremely, rude. So I won't say anything.

Way to grasp at straws, I can't wait to see the next Kid Icarus game in 23 years. Franchise saved indeed.

Are you a fortune teller?

Adeline would never get in over Meta Knight and King Dedede

But, she's female and on the box art.

plus she was a side character in the game and wasn't actually created by Sakurai.

Lucina is a side character not created by Sakurai.

I don't remember Crawmad being pivotal character in Pikmin 2 or being one of the most popular.

I don't remember Lucina being the main character.

You see these aspects in separation may not mean much, but Lucina is all three of these things and more. You can't write her off because "muh she looks like marth, seems uninteresting to me".

Why? I can write off Raichu for that.

Maybe because there would never be another Fire Emblem game if Awakening didn't succeed??

So I guess Lucina is responsible for that. Everybody bought Awakening because Chrom and Lucina were in it.

Multiple games =/= instant spot in smash brothers

Why do you take merits out of context as if they are the only ones that exist because it's the only one I stated. I think you're doing that on purpose.

It didn't help Leif in Melee and Brawl, not helping Leif now.

Didn't help Villager in Brawl, not helping Villager now

And now you're the one speaking in absolutes.

 

[Louie G.]

I don't think you should be one to judge based on who people think is a plausible candidate, Saturn.
That being said why would you add an insignificant character like Leif?
Because he was planned for Melee? If you don't remember, he was replaced by Roy because he wasn't unique enough.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Let me just reiterate on the point of Leif and Lucina, actually.

Leif is a lord that was one of the main characters in the Japanese-only Fire Emblem games Thracia 776 and Genealogy of the Holy War, both released in the later 90's. His sword uses light-magic and he has brown hair, but otherwise shares a similar body-frame to Marth. This is why he was considered as a potential Marth-clone for Melee, but was scrapped in favor of Roy due to Sakurai suggesting that Roy would be more popular with his upcoming game-release and fire-based swordplay. He was a minor, non-story related character in Fire Emblem: Awakening in both his phantoms' SpotPass version and the updated DLC version. In short, he has more going for him than, say, Sigurd and Ephraim, but doesn't hold a candle to the current worldwide popularity of Marth, Ike, Roy, Lyn, Chrom, and Lucina.

Lucina has only appeared in one Fire Emblem game, being the most recent Fire Emblem: Awakening, where she has a prominent story-role. She received the most votes of Nintendo's Fire Emblem Awakening Character Popularity Poll that was hosted on Facebook a while back, surpassing even Chrom in the votes, showing that there is definitely marketability potential with Lucina. Being so closely related to the game that literally saved the franchise and one of the most popular Fire Emblem games to date, Lucina's popularity definitely has gravity in the series. In fact, she is to make an appearance alongside her father in the upcoming Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem title coming for Wii U, meaning that she will have two notable appearances in the series much like Leif does.

Between the two characters, while Leif is more of a veteran, Lucina's popularity surpasses him worldwide and makes plenty more sense from a marketing perspective. That is what Smash Bros. is meant to do in the grand scheme of things, after all: Advertise. For series like Pokemon and Fire Emblem, hot-tickets around the time of Smash Bros. can expect to get placement over their predecessors. That's precisely why Roy was placed in much lower priority compared to Ike and why Pichu (Gen II's hot-ticket) was dropped entirely in the middle of Generation IV (unfortunately for it, before the inception of Ukelele, Notch-eared, and Pikachu-coloured Pichu years later that generation). This being the case, Lucina has more of a real-world edge over Leif. I don't think that's hard to comprehend.

Do I think either of them will get into Smash Bros.? No, I don't. The only point I was making from this is that your absolute of "Who in there right mind would consider Lucina likely, but not Leif!?!?!? That makes NO sense." is an opinion with little weight. Opinions are fine, it's absolutes that grind my gears if they hold little of the logic they claim to have.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That being said why would you add an insignificant character like Leif?

...

You say you're using logic, yet you think Leif is the more logical choice than Lucina.

Which is why it's logical. Unlike your position which is anything, but, that.

Leif, a Japanese-only lord who has only had an important role all the way back in the SNES era and hes not been referenced once in the series beyond his games.

Will you listen to yourself? Your argument is essentially muh recency over more recurrence and importance. Leif is in the exact same position as Marth was in Melee you know, except he wasn't the first lord, but as you can see neither were Roy or Ike. And no other, but Marth, Roy, Ike, and Lyn have been referenced again. And I would not assume Lucina will be.

And yet this is more logical than using the game's cover-art girl and major story character... Because?

Because being on the cover of one of several Fire Emblem games (despite not being the main character) does not make you more important than a two time MAIN character. Nor does being a girl.

With all due respect, I'm not continuing this argument so as to avoid flaming you. And no it's not because I don't want to listen to reason. It's because I want to listen to good reason.