Character Discussion Thread

[SuperBrawler]

That's idiotic. I'm sorry, it is.
Mewtwo is possibly the most important Pokemon barring Pikachu himself. Cutting Mewtwo happened, but probably even Sakurai knows it was a mistake. While Pokemon Trainer is very important to Pokemon as a whole, I find it more expendable due to the development time it takes to make. Jigglypuff is no longer important, even the Fairy typing doesn't do much to make her relevant again. Lucario is very important, but not to the extent of Pokemon's most iconic legendary.
So Mewtwo getting replaced happened, but I have a good feeling that it won't happen again.

Spoiler

Also says the guy who supports Pichu's return.

I know, but I am going for no cuts. And it's not like it's going to ever happen anyway. Pokemon Trainer getting cut just because of the time it takes is stupid. Jiggz is from the Original 12 and Fairy type will make her more unique. Lucario is confirmed.

 

[UltimateWario]

Well we all do know that Rosalina's pretty unique for a Peach look-alike, and she's pretty hot!

Sakurai? Is that you?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well we all do know that Rosalina's pretty unique for a Peach look-alike, and she's pretty hot!

That's only visually unique.

 

[Louie G.]

Yeah I know, there's also merits to consider too.

Which Toad has.
Iconic character? Of course! Toad has appeared in more Mario games then almost any other character. Yes, the character, not the species. Being playable in SMB2 and likely SM3DW (he's blue but it's a reference to SMB2 clearly). This also helps his importance.
Toad has starred in his own game, Wario's Woods, has perfect attendance in the Mario Kart games, and is immediately recognizable to gamers new and old.
It's funny how you mention merits when most of the characters you support aren't even recognized by the most hardcore of gamers.
(Jeez I'm using everyone's interests against them today, sorry about that)

 

[Starcutter]

so I'm creating some sort of newcomer tier-list (of likeliness), does anyone have a character they want me to add to it?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Sakurai? Is that you?

THAT WAS A JOKE!!!!!

 

[RadRedi]

Well, Mother 3 does have a huge cult following.
So he isn't that obscure.

I know that. I'm not saying Lucas is a nobody. But his game never saw an official release outside of Japan. The kind of people who are going to play the fan-translation are the people who already know good and well who he is and dug around on the Internet for a copy of his game. Ness - and Earthbound, in general - on the other hand, has had that same status for years, and is only going to get bigger due to its current availability to the public.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Toad isn't clone material, but he doesn't bring new mechanics to the table.
Being over-the-top unique isn't always the answer to a character's addition.

Toad can be unique. But only if you think. Sakurai will make Toad unique if he wants too. Toad can have a mechanic in which depending on his position damage wise he would have a different mushroom.


Being over the top unique is something Sakurai will probably look at. Plus, even if that was true Toad is still very iconic and is in pretty much every single Mario game. He has been playable too.

 

[UltimateWario]

Jiggz is from the Original 12 and Fairy type will make her more unique

You mean like fire made Roy unique?

I wish people would stop using Fairy-Type as Jigglypuff's saving grace. It's just silly. I have no doubt she's coming back (rather unfortunately, as her spot could go to someone much more deserving), but to think she's going to be this miraculously unique and different character because she got a second type is a bit ignorant.

 

[Louie G.]

Jiggs will likely keep her moveset.
It's different enough and there aren't too many great Fairy moves that she can receive.

 

[Dinoman96]

About the Tom Nook discussion...why does Animal Crossing even need a 2nd playable character in the first place?

Something I think the Smash fanbase should realize is that, yes, there are series that lend themselves well to Smash Bros. characters like Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon...but there are others that really don't, like WarioWare, Yoshi, Pikmin, and of course, Animal Crossing.

AC isn't structured like most series in Smash. It doesn't have much of a story, or sidekick or villain. It's a carefree, life simulation series and we're honestly pretty lucky to even get a character from it at all, especially after what Sakurai said about AC characters during Brawl's development.

Outside of Villager, who's is of course, the main playable character who represents the player, none of the additional Animal Crossing characters really have significant enough roles to be playable in Smash Bros. They're all minor NPC characters, essentially.

I understand that AC is a huge, popular series for Nintendo, but I don't think it should get more characters just because of that. It's not that it doesn't "deserve" or "warrant" more characters because of its size or whatever, it just doesn't really have sensible additions besides the Villager, who represents AC perfectly.

 

[Shorts]

Jigglypuff's saving grace is being in the game since the first one. Kind of an ace in the hole.

 

[SuperBrawler]

You mean like fire made Roy unique?

I wish people would stop using Fairy-Type as Jigglypuff's saving grace. It's just silly. I have no doubt she's coming back (rather unfortunately, as her spot could go somewhere much more deserved), but to think she's going to be this miraculously unique and different character because she got a second type is a bit ignorant.

I said it would make her more unique. Not that her whole moveset would be different and she would be SSSSSSS tier in terms of uniqueness. She can use Fairy type moves a instead of doing random things that make no sense like growing bigger then my house to kill people as her Final Smash and can cover a whole lot of moves now that she isn't just a normal type.

 

[RadRedi]

You mean like fire made Roy unique?

I wish people would stop using Fairy-Type as Jigglypuff's saving grace. It's just silly. I have no doubt she's coming back (rather unfortunately, as her spot could go somewhere much more deserved), but to think she's going to be this miraculously unique and different character because she got a second type is a bit ignorant.

I think that, when people say this (at least it's what I mean when I say it), they mean that Jigglypuff could easily get a new move set due to the slew of new Fairy-Type moves, thanks to X and Y. When I say that Jigglypuff has a Fairy-Typing, I don't mean "DON'T WORRY, SHE's RELELVANT!!!". I mean that they can do more than just say " Pic of the Day. Jigglypuff - the Pokemon that quite a few Japanese fans seem to love relentlessly - is back! And she's exactly the same!"

However, I'd prefer to see just a completely new Gen 5/6 rep altogether, no matter how much I like Jigglypuff.

 

[Substitution]

I'll main him as a longtime fan of Animal Crossing.

Honestly, I have no idea who I'm maining this time around.
You know it's bad when even Mr. G&W, the character I represent mind you, isn't safe.

Heck, I've already made a list.

As for the debt system and furniture idea, that would be neat since it makes him a bigger threat than Villager. The debt system vs. pocket ability would be an interesting match.

Plus, it represents his character better.
A demonic furniture shop owner who saps away all your money!
...Actually, that would explain Villager's creepiness...

THAT WAS A JOKE!!!!!

That post was also a joke.

I know that. I'm not saying Lucas is a nobody. But his game never saw an official release outside of Japan. The kind of people who are going to play the fan-translation are the people who already know good and well who he is and dug around on the Internet for a copy of his game. Ness - and Earthbound, in general - on the other hand, has had that same status for years, and is only going to get bigger due to its current availability to the public.

To be fair though, he has at least got some popularity due to Brawl.
So that's good.

 

[UltimateWario]

I said it would make her more unique. Not that her whole moveset would be different and she would be SSSSSSS tier in terms of uniqueness. She can use Fairy type moves a instead of doing random things that make no sense like growing bigger then my house to kill people as her Final Smash and can cover a whole lot of moves now that she isn't just a normal type.

Replace Sing with a Fairy Wind recovery and I'll complain about her 1% less.

I think that, when people say this (at least it's what I mean when I say it), they mean that Jigglypuff could easily get a new move set due to the slew of new Fairy-Type moves, thanks to X and Y. When I say that Jigglypuff has a Fairy-Typing, I don't mean "DON'T WORRY, SHE's RELELVANT!!!". I mean that they can do more than just say " Pic of the Day. Jigglypuff - the Pokemon that quite a few Japanese fans seem to love relentlessly - is back! And she's exactly the same!"

After reading up a little, Jigglypuff can learn a total of FIVE Fairy-Type moves, three of which are Status moves, and two of those are simply re-typed Gen II moves.

Jiggly can learn Disarming Voice and Dazzling Gleam. -blows party blower- Not that it matters. I'm just being an asshole.

 

[Tepig2000]

so I'm creating some sort of newcomer tier-list (of likeliness), does anyone have a character they want me to add to it?

I wanna see what you think about Greninja.

 

[Substitution]

Replace Sing with a Fairy Wind recovery and I'll complain about her 1% less.

Better yet, bring back the green bandana.

 

[Starcutter]

I wanna see what you think about Greninja.

oh, um okay. I was using hawlucha to signify a gen 6 character but that will work too, I guess.

 

[BluePikmin11]

About the Tom Nook discussion...why does Animal Crossing even need a 2nd playable character in the first place?

Something I think the Smash fanbase should realize is that, yes, there are series that lend themselves well to Smash Bros. characters like Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon...but there are others that really don't, like WarioWare, Yoshi, Pikmin, and of course, Animal Crossing.

AC isn't structured like most series in Smash. It doesn't have much of a story, or sidekick or villain. It's a carefree, life simulation series and we're honestly pretty lucky to even get a character from it at all, especially after what Sakurai said about AC characters during Brawl's development.

Outside of Villager, who's is of course, the main playable character who represents the player, none of the additional Animal Crossing characters really have significant enough roles to be playable in Smash Bros. They're all minor NPC characters, essentially.

I understand that AC is a huge, popular series for Nintendo, but I don't think it should get more characters just because of that. It's not that it doesn't "deserve" or "warrant" more characters because of its size or whatever, it just doesn't really have sensible additions besides the Villager, who represents AC perfectly.

So what if it's structured like a peaceful series, that's what makes his inclusion bizarre. Also I have been stating this tons of times in this thread, but the reason to add Tom Nook is his uniqueness, he can add tons of new things in the table. And that will make him join the roster.

The bold you stated, I don't really give a crap if they are minor.

 

[RadRedi]

so I'm creating some sort of newcomer tier-list (of likeliness), does anyone have a character they want me to add to it?

Would you add Chibi-Robo, if you don't mind? He gets overlooked, from time to time...

To be fair though, he has at least got some popularity due to Brawl.
So that's good.

Oh, certainly! Smash works wonders for obscure characters. I'm just saying that Smash is just about the only official publicity Lucas can get outside of Japan, where Ness has Smash publicity threefold (as in, he;s gotten Smash popularity three times), a game that wasn't Japan-exclusive, and a re-release for a current-gen console.

In conclusion, Ness is the face of Mother, but that doesn't mean Lucas is just a pile of dung. He definitely has his own popularity, just to a lesser extent.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Jiggs will likely keep her moveset.
It's different enough and there aren't too many great Fairy moves that she can receive.

Jigglypuff is perfect to represent the new fairy type since she is already in Smash. To me her moveset was bland and she wasn't very good in Brawl. She was a normal type and now Fairy can really help.
Her Final Smash can be Disarming Voice. Dazzling Gleam can be a Special. Charm could be a grab for Jiggz where she hugs the opponent and it is hard to get out of.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

New Topic: How would any of you feel if a Game Boy Era character like Muddy Mole or Prince Sable were to be possible reps?

I do like me some moles that could dig a mean hole, but I seem to like Sable better since he has multiple forms with addition of a blade (sword ) and ****ing Mazinger Z to make him a great addition.

 

[SuperBrawler]

New Topic: How would any of you feel if a Game Boy Era character like Muddy Mole or Prince Sable were to be possible reps?

I do like me some moles that could dig a mean hole, but I seem to like Sable better since he has multiple forms with addition of a blade (sword ) and ****ing Mazinger Z to make him a great addition.

Muddy please.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Based on what we know, it's highly unlikely for any series to get two newcomers. Especially new series like Animal Crossing, and I LOVE Animal Crossing.

They'd be better off this time adding one person from a slew of different series. It can spread out the pool of newcomers for future titles, because I can see Animal Crossing getting another in the future.

 

[RadRedi]

New Topic: How would any of you feel if a Game Boy Era character like Muddy Mole or Prince Sable were to be possible reps?

I'd love to see Muddy Mole. I think that there is enough potential there for an interesting character.

...That's really all I have to say about that. My knowledge of Sable and For the Frog the Bell Tolls, in general, is pretty limited.

 

[Louie G.]

Muddy would be amazing. I love Muddy, his game is great and the digging mechanic sounds awesome.
Prince Sable would be a waste of development time.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I'd love to see Muddy Mole. I think that there is enough potential there for an interesting character.

...That's really all I have to say about that. My knowledge of Sable and For the Frog the Bell Tolls, in general, is pretty limited.

Yeah, there were only few international references like his rival Richard in Link's Awakening and the Professor being in Wario Land 4. But yeah, Muddy would be nice since in tell Sakurai would want a limit on Japan-only characters (1-2 in the Fire Emblem duo's case). The only real JPN characters that would be legit choices are Takamaru and Lip.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Toad has appeared in more Mario games then almost any other character. Yes, the character, not the species. Being playable in SMB2 and likely SM3DW (he's blue but it's a reference to SMB2 clearly). This also helps his importance.

Except "Toad the character" doesn't even exist.

That "Blue Toad is the Toad" stuff is one of the most ridiculous stuff I've heard. MarioWiki is so delusional about the Toad that they've decided that a random Blue Toad is supposed to be the character. First they said that Captain Toad is the Toad. But now that they want the Blue Toad to be the Toad, they went back on that and decided that Captain Toad is a different character. The Toad is basically a fan-made character, he doesn't exist in official canon.

 

[Substitution]

New Topic: How would any of you feel if a Game Boy Era character like Muddy Mole or Prince Sable were to be possible reps?

I know this may seem a little off.
But I would love if Sophia the 3rd (from Master Blaster) would get in.
Though, I doubt it completely.

Referring to Gameboy reps.
I wouldn't mind Muddy Mole. Could be an interesting character.

 

[Starcutter]

Would you add Chibi-Robo, if you don't mind? He gets overlooked, from time to time...

DARN IT


knew I forgot someone...

brb

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[NickerBocker]

Based on what we know, it's highly unlikely for any series to get two newcomers. Especially new series like Animal Crossing, and I LOVE Animal Crossing.

They'd be better off this time adding one person from a slew of different series. It can spread out the pool of newcomers for future titles, because I can see Animal Crossing getting another in the future.

I do agree, but if anyone is going to get 2 newcomers, my money is on DK in Dixie and K Rool, or to a lesser extent, Mario. Pokemon, maybe, but there would most likely need to be cuts, and it depends on how you classify Mewtwo.

 

[Joe D.]

DARN IT


knew I forgot someone...

brb

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Only thing i'd change is Toon Zelda and Tetra from A to B. Everything else seems right to me!

 

[Gunla]

I feel like we're really going to get something tomorrow. It's been a dry period and that New Challenger logo disappeared a while back. Since we typically get a new reveal within two weeks of that icon disappearing, from what I've observed...
A reveal seems all too likely at this point for tomorrow. But as for whom, I couldn't tell who it could be. There's barely any good release dates that are important enough to matter. I'd expect Wario or Jiggs, I guess? Maybe Yoshi?

 

[SuperBrawler]

DARN IT


knew I forgot someone...

brb


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Feel free to complain if I put somewhere in the wrong spot, or if I forgot to add someone altogether.

Lucina is missing. I can forgive you for not putting Pichu in SSSx10 because this is likely-ness.

 

[Starcutter]

Lucina is missing. I can forgive you for not putting Pichu in SSSx10 because this is likely-ness.

lucina = lyn in terms of chance.


happy now?

 

[RadRedi]

DARN IT

Feel free to complain if I put somewhere in the wrong spot, or if I forgot to add someone altogether.

Chibi Robo was put below Goroh and Krystal Looks good to me!

 

[Starcutter]

Chibi Robo was put below Goroh and Krystal

Yup right alongside Dillon and Lip

 

[RadRedi]

Yup right alongside Dillon and Lip

I know. I can understand why he's in his spot. I know there are characters with such huge camps that characters like Chibi are forced into dark horse territory.

 

[AEMehr]

lucina = lyn in terms of chance.


happy now?

I object, Lucina should at least be B tier.
She basically has everything Chrom has going for her; with added moveset potential.