Character Discussion Thread

[Starcutter]

I object, Lucina should at least be B tier.
She basically has everything Chrom has going for her; with added moveset potential.

fine, she's where robin is.


I never pay attention to F:E talk anyways.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

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Captain Rainbow and Cranky Kong are a C? I C wat you did thar.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Yup right alongside Dillon and Lip

I'd put Nook and Robin down in C. The boards overestimate Robin's way too much honestly.

edit: you could make an argument for Lucina in A honestly.

 

[Louie G.]

I would honestly bump Roy to B or even C.
He has nothing going for him aside from popularity.

 

[UltimateWario]

I would honestly bump Roy to B or even C.
He has nothing going for him aside from popularity.

Apparently he's about as big in Japan as Mewtwo is here.

I don't get it, but facts are facts. I certainly think Mewtwo's going to easily overtake him if we only get one returning vet.

 

[False Sense]

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Well, most of this looks pretty good, I think. Not entirely sure about the lower areas, since a lot of those are really weird candidates (some of which I don't even know), but the upper areas look good. There are just a few things I might change, if I were making this. Personally, I think Roy is a little too high. He's a character that would pretty much get into Smash solely because of popularity, as he has very little importance to the Fire Emblem series overall, much less recently. I would put him at least a tier lower, if not more.

Also, in regards to Lucina being on the list, I would say she's less likely than Chrom or Robin, but more likely than Lyn. Chrom and Robin are the two main characters of Awakening, with Lucina being the third most important. While she can do most everything Chrom can do and more, she's not important enough to her game to be put in over one of the two main characters, I think. So I guess I'd put her in C.

Lastly, should Captain Toad really but put in the same tier as Bowser Jr.? They're both pretty unlikely at this point, but I would think Bowser Jr. would have an edge. Though that seems like a minor detail overall.

Overall, I think this is pretty accurate to what most of us think is likely. Nice to see my #1 at the top, at least.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Robin is not nearly as likely as Lucina. Lucina is still popular in Japan, and is clearly IS's favorite, receiving much more marketing in Japan as Chrom. If anything, Chrom and Lucina are about equal imo. Robin is an interesting choice, but he doesn't really benefit IS by choosing him. They had a reason to recommend Ike to Sakurai. There really isn't much going for Robin besides the fact that he could have a unique moveset.

 

[Starcutter]

Updated It to include Lucina. Didn't change Roy because he deserves it, even if it is only popularity.


Also kamek is B now because screw you this is my list

EDIT: OH GOD I turned this into FE discussion! NOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[False Sense]

Robin is not nearly as likely as Lucina. Lucina is still popular in Japan, and is clearly IS's favorite, receiving much more marketing in Japan as Chrom. If anything, Chrom and Lucina are about equal imo. Robin is an interesting choice, but he doesn't really benefit IS by choosing him. They had a reason to recommend Ike to Sakurai. There really isn't much going for Robin besides the fact that he could have a unique moveset.

Well, Robin is still one of the two main characters of Awakening. And obviously the reason they don't advertise him as much is because of his customizable appearance. Even then, he does pop up in ads... Even if he's not the most advertised character, he is one of (only next to Chrom, and that's debatable) the main characters, and still promotes Awakening. It's not like people won't know what game he's from if he appears in Smash. A quick look at his character page solves that issue. I might actually argue that Robin would be better promotion for Awakening than Chrom or Lucina because of his contrast to the already present Fire Emblem characters. He would show off the diversity of the Fire Emblem series that goes unrecognized in Smash, and thus make the series appear more interesting to the eyes of the general public. That's how I see it anyway. Feel free to debate me on this.

 

[Arcanir]

I would personally push Lucina up to B at least. Granted, she's not as important as Robin or Chrom, but she is more promoted then either based on the advertisements. She's also just as popular as Chrom and more-so then Robin, at least based on the Awakening Character poll. I think if IS is going to have a say in which character, she definitely has a good chance of being one of the choices.

So yeah, I definitely vote to at least move her to B.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

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Make Tails switch places with PacMan, move Krystal up a step or two and it's perfect.

 

[False Sense]

Make Tails switch places with PacMan, move Krystal up a step or two and it's perfect.

Something seems a bit biased here...

 

[SuperBrawler]

Updated It to include Lucina. Didn't change Roy because he deserves it, even if it is only popularity.


Also kamek is B now because screw you this is my list

EDIT: OH GOD I turned this into FE discussion! NOOOOOOOOOOO

Nook is too high. Chibi Robo is too low. Pichu is awesome.

 

[UltimateWario]

Make Tails switch places with PacMan.

Enough already!!

inb4 it was a joooooke

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Enough already!!

inb4 it was a joooooke

This time I really don't care if it's a joke, will you PLEASE leave me alone about this whole thing?

 

[AncientTobacco]

To celebrate my 500th post, here's a wish roster:

 

[UltimateWario]

This time I really don't care if it's a joke, will you PLEASE leave me alone about this whole thing?

Stop bringing it up, and we'll leave you alone about it.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Stop bringing it up, and we'll leave you alone about it.

Uh, there's something called "Freedom of Speech," I can do this all day!

 

[UltimateWario]

Uh, there's something called "Freedom of Speech," I can do this all day!

Then so can I.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Then so can I.

So there you have it.

 

[Gune]

Kiss and make up all ready.

 

[UltimateWario]

So there you have it.

Ah, progress.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Anyway, putting that aside, I'm not saying it will happen, I'm only saying it CAN. I don't care if people bombard me about it. I'm not easily convinced.

Kiss and make up all ready.

That was pretty bad, dude.

 

[Leafeon523]

Updated It to include Lucina. Didn't change Roy because he deserves it, even if it is only popularity.


Also kamek is B now because screw you this is my list

EDIT: OH GOD I turned this into FE discussion! NOOOOOOOOOOO

Poor Ray, as much as I'd like to see him in SSB4, I can't say his position on this list is inaccurate

 

[Arcadenik]

It just depends on how big the roster is going to get.

If you ask me, each Smash should keep the core roster and trade out for new characters with the extra slots for each installment.

Most people consider the entire Brawl roster to be the core roster. Yes, all 35-39 of them.

 

[Rockaphin]

They can't just thrown in all these characters all at once.

Over time more Mario characters will be added. If we went with only the popular/major characters in a series then the Legend of Zelda would only have
Why is in? She's not nearly as iconic as or other Pokémon. Characters aren't only chosen due to their importance in their respected series.

It just doesn't make sense to have Mario, then Luigi, then Toad, then Bowser Jr., then Rosalina, then Waluigi, then Daisy, and have the roster keep balance within all of this.

The roster will increase and then allow lesser popular characters to be viable choices so more characters from highly represented can be eventually added. It's hard to balance a game where some of the franchises() can run circles around the others() with viable character options. I'm not saying they aren't deserving, Ridley for example would be a great addition but after Ridley is added, who would be next for the Metroid rep? I think Sakurai has done a decent job balancing the amount of reps in a series so far but as the series continues, characters like: Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario have chance to become playable.
I agree with you though, adding a lot of characters at once is a bad move.

 

[UltimateWario]

I'm fairly sure that, after Ridley is added, everyone will be completely satisfied with the Metroid representation forever. I certainly wouldn't need anyone else.

I mean, you could probably consider Dark Samus, as she's the only real contender for another Metroid spot, but she's not really necessary. She's also probably never going to appear in another game.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I'm fairly sure that, after Ridley is added, everyone will be completely satisfied with the Metroid representation forever. I certainly wouldn't need anyone else.

I mean, you could probably consider Dark Samus, as she's the only real contender for another Metroid spot, but she's not really necessary.

Dark Samus would be a clone, so I'd say alternate skin for Samus.

 

[SuperBrawler]

What about Anthony Higgs.

 

[Louie G.]

Dark Samus would be a clone, so I'd say alternate skin for Samus.

I could see a Wolf-type semi-clone from Dark Samus.
It looks really cool in my head.

 

[False Sense]

I'm fairly sure that, after Ridley is added, everyone will be completely satisfied with the Metroid representation forever. I certainly wouldn't need anyone else.

I mean, you could probably consider Dark Samus, as she's the only real contender for another Metroid spot, but she's not really necessary. She's also probably never going to appear in another game.

I agree, unless of course the Metroid series introduces a new character (or uses one already introduced in a lesser role) that continues to have prominence in future installments. That might take awhile, though.

 

[ChikoLad]

The prophecy shall be fulfilled...

 

[UltimateWario]

Dark Samus would be a clone, so I'd say alternate skin for Samus.

Dark Samus actually differs greatly from Samus in ability and fighting style. Besides the fact that they both are wearing some form of the Varia Suit, they have practically nothing in common. As Louie said, she'd probably be akin to Wolf.

Also, costumes of other characters aren't allowed. I certainly wouldn't mind a color based on her, though, since she'll likely never be playable.

What about Anthony Higgs.

I don't think appearing in half of the worst game in the series really makes him worthy or even probable for inclusion.

I agree, unless of course the Metroid series introduces a new character (or uses one already introduced in a lesser role) that continues to have prominence in future installments. That might take awhile, though.

If that whole "Sylux" thing ever happens, I could see him as a real contender.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Well, Robin is still one of the two main characters of Awakening. And obviously the reason they don't advertise him as much is because of his customizable appearance. Even then, he does pop up in ads... Even if he's not the most advertised character, he is one of (only next to Chrom, and that's debatable) the main characters, and still promotes Awakening. It's not like people won't know what game he's from if he appears in Smash. A quick look at his character page solves that issue. I might actually argue that Robin would be better promotion for Awakening than Chrom or Lucina because of his contrast to the already present Fire Emblem characters. He would show off the diversity of the Fire Emblem series that goes unrecognized in Smash, and thus make the series appear more interesting to the eyes of the general public. That's how I see it anyway. Feel free to debate me on this.

Not really. Have you see how much Lucina appears on Awakening stuff in Japan? And it is easily arguable Lucina is just as important as Robin and Chrom are. Robin is not the strongest choice for chance. The only reason people here only think he has a decent chance is because with the Rosalina reveal, everyone jumped on the "uniqueness is the only thing that matters" bandwagon. He's not a popular choice. He's not promoted ala Chrom and Lucina. The only thing he has going for him is being unique, and despite the fact that I hate Chrom and think he wouldn't be that unique, Chrom could easily be unique, but I'm more worried about him being shoehorned as someone who plays too similarly to Ike.

 

[Opossum]

Dark Samus would be a clone, so I'd say alternate skin for Samus.

I'm assuming you've never played/seen gameplay of Prime 2? The Phazon-abilities lend themselves well to a moveset.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I'm assuming you've never played/seen gameplay of Prime 2? The Phazon-abilities lend themselves well to a moveset.

I've actually 100% completed Metroid Prime Trilogy, but I still think Dark Samus would be a clone.

 

[UltimateWario]

I've actually 100% completed Metroid Prime Trilogy, but I still think Dark Samus would be a clone.

+1 Respect

 

[Sehnsucht]

I've actually 100% completed Metroid Prime Trilogy, but I still think Dark Samus would be a clone.

Dark Samus hovers and teleports and phases through solid matter, so even in terms of movement and physics, Dark Samus differs greatly from Kosher Samus.

Dark Samus might have a (Phazon) Charge Shot for a Neutral Special, and perhaps some shared attacks with a Phazon tinge (which could have damage/poison debuffs), but there wouldn't be any way that Dark Samus would be a clone.

A semi-clone, perhaps, in the same way that Mario-Luigi and Fox-Wolf are, but not a clone in the way Link-Toon Link are.

 

[Opossum]

I've actually 100% completed Metroid Prime Trilogy, but I still think Dark Samus would be a clone.

That's odd, then. I've seen lots of gameplay footage (though I admittedly haven't played it) and I think her/its fighting is more...alien-like, I guess? Like, unnatural movement and fighting style. Plus, things like Phazon pools as traps could be neat.

 

[Sehnsucht]

That's odd, then. I've seen lots of gameplay footage (though I admittedly haven't played it) and I think her/its fighting is more...alien-like, I guess? Like, unnatural movement and fighting style. Plus, things like Phazon pools as traps could be neat.

Dark Samus wouldn't have the Screw Attack or Bombs, so Phazon-based Specials (and Smashes/other attacks) would be the way to go.

What would a Dark Samus Final Smash be? Phazon Barrage?