Character Discussion Thread

[Cobalsh]

Tom Nook would easily be my choice for a second Animal Crossing character, but for the next game.

As for Earthbound, next character would need to be Porky inside the spider mech pls. A mech controlling fighter would be awesome in Smash.
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[collapse="I'm not letting this go Saturn."]It's also true.
Oh so she's always been able to CONTROL them right? She's always put them in HARMS way too. That's just something Rosalina is KNOWN for, controlling her Lumas and sending them into battle. What a heartless and cruel mother, I wonder why anyone would like her in the first place.
Good work missing the point!
Jumping isn't significant to Mario, everyone does it in Smash and in practically every video game too. Neither is the ability to throw a fire ball, just look at everyone else that can throw fire one way or another. Even in the Mario games, anyone who touches a Fire Flower can throw a fireball.
Better scrap those two moves, they aren't unique to Mario.

It doesn't matter if the items are unique to Toad, Toad is known for being the one who gives away the items. Which is why it makes complete sense for him to be the one that utilizes them.

Yes. I'm suggesting that he focuses on Power-Ups for Special attacks, not for every single move out there. That would be incredibly boring really fast, that's like making Dixie use her hair for every attack.
He's going to still need to Punch, Kick, etc. for standard attacks, but Mario power-ups are something unexplored in Smash Bros, so it'd make a fine moveset for Toad.
Have you ever played a side scrolling Mario game? Seriously?

This is of course ignoring the numerous Toads have run shops in the Mario universe. Which is in essentially every game that has a shopping system, weird coincidence right?

It is used to emphasize my rage. I try to be very civil and calm, but it comes to point where a little CAPS lock is nice every now and then.
You said a moveset can't be considered plausible, because some smash fan came up with the concept. You say Lucina can't be unique and can't be a stance character because some smash fan came up with the concept.
This is what you said, this is what I am arguing against. I can care less if Dixie, Toad, or Lucina do or don't get in; whether they end up being clones or semi-clones in Smash Brothers. But what you're saying is not only dead wrong, but a completely biased opinion.
Hair =/= Moveset; I mean if Toad, the Mushroom Retainer, can't have Power-Ups as a moveset why should Dixie have a moveset solely focused on hair??


Again with the ignoring of my arguments!

Educate yourself.
It also makes more sense than a pacifist sending in her own children to fight for her.
Agreed, but I have no interest in continuing to partake in discussions with people who believe in their opinions way too much to the point where they'll disagree with their own argument in a situation that hinders their ideals whilst finding it perfectly viable in another situation when it supports their opinion.

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I feel like some people could contribute more to the Boards than arguments that only piss people off more. I acknowledge that Toad could have a moveset; I just think he's not iconic enough. I mean, he had Wario's Woods, but every other character other than Bowser has had a new game in the last ten years starring them, and until Toad gets one, I won't support him. Not because of "muh recency", mind you, but that he just doesn't ooze potential like Bj's paintbrush and Rosalina's Luma.

 

[Deleted member]

What game did Rosalina have that "starred" her?

 

[Arcadenik]

Side smash.


Duh.

It is not good enough. I really dislike that Wario seems to have only one move from the Wario Land series whereas his special moves seem to be from WarioWare microgames (B, Side+B, and Final Smash) or are made up (Up+B and Down+B).

I would have liked for Wario's Up+B to be based on Vampire Wario where he turns into a bat and flies around. Down+B.... ugh... where the hell did that move come from? Was there a pre-Brawl game or pre-Brawl microgame where Wario passed gas to launch himself?

Anyway, I wish that Wario would get some new moves from Wario Land: Shake It!... maybe that move where he shakes the opponent to make them drop items or to make them scatter their projectiles. For example, if Wario shakes Peach, vegetables are shot in many directions... if Wario shakes Link, bombs fly out... if Wario shakes Pikachu, lightning bolts shock nearby opponents... if Wario shakes Little Mac, nothing happens because he doesn't have projectiles.... if Wario shakes Marth, nothing happens because he doesn't have projectiles either...

 

[Substitution]

What game did Rosalina have that "starred" her?

Appearance: Super Mario Galaxy.
Star role: ...Mario Kart Wii?

 

[Arcadenik]

Appearance: Super Mario Galaxy.
Star role: ...Mario Kart Wii?

He was talking about Rosalina's own game... most people didn't think Rosalina had potential before she was confirmed... all Sakurai did was give her moves that Mario himself used in the Galaxy games. Sakurai was never going to revamp Mario's moves with Lumas and gravity control from Galaxy games.

 

[Substitution]

He was talking about Rosalina's own game... most people didn't think Rosalina had potential before she was confirmed...

To be fair, I thought so too...

all Sakurai did was give her moves that Mario himself used in the Galaxy games. Sakurai was never going to revamp Mario's moves with Lumas and gravity control from Galaxy games.

Wait, Mario had a wand and could make Lumas and rings?
News to me...

 

[Cobalsh]

What game did Rosalina have that "starred" her?

Once again, Sakurai eludes us with his logic! ****ty excuse for not having an answer.

 

[No Control]

Returning to the Tom Nook discussion...

Does anybody think Smashboards is horrendously biased as a whole in thinking AC doesn't deserve 2 reps when Mother (which is massively obscure to 90% of people who play this game) has 2 and Star Fox (which is hardly huge) has 3?!

AC is a huge series with loads of moveset potential. Why doesn't it deserve 2 reps? This is exactly why people didn't see Rosalina, Villager and WFT coming... All of these characters are far bigger names to a casual Smash fan than Shulk, Isaac, even Palutena. I tell the average casual fan I know WFT will be in the game, they think "that's pretty cool actually", if I told them Palutena was in 95% would say "Who?"...

 

[Substitution]

Returning to the Tom Nook discussion...

Does anybody think Smashboards is horrendously biased as a whole in thinking AC doesn't deserve 2 reps when Mother (which is massively obscure to 90% of people who play this game) has 2 and Star Fox (which is hardly huge) has 3?!

I can explain.
we don't care if they get two reps. Just not now.
For the most part (there we're a few exceptions, particularly in Melee. But mostly cause they're were quite a few all-stars missing), most franchises get one per game.
So it's very unlikely they'll pull two out two this time around. We can get a second one next game.

Edit: Just realized this:

AC is a huge series with loads of moveset potential. Why doesn't it deserve 2 reps? This is exactly why people didn't see Rosalina, Villager and WFT coming... All of these characters are far bigger names to a casual Smash fan than Shulk, Isaac, even Palutena. I tell the average casual fan I know WFT will be in the game, they think "that's pretty cool actually", if I told them Palutena was in 95% would say "Who?"...

Do I even need to mention the countless obscure characters we have?

 

[YoshiandToad]

Returning to the Tom Nook discussion...

Does anybody think Smashboards is horrendously biased as a whole in thinking AC doesn't deserve 2 reps when Mother (which is massively obscure to 90% of people who play this game) has 2 and Star Fox (which is hardly huge) has 3?!

AC is a huge series with loads of moveset potential. Why doesn't it deserve 2 reps? This is exactly why people didn't see Rosalina, Villager and WFT coming... All of these characters are far bigger names to a casual Smash fan than Shulk, Isaac, even Palutena. I tell the average casual fan I know WFT will be in the game, they think "that's pretty cool actually", if I told them Palutena was in 95% would say "Who?"...

If it ain't DK, Kid Icarus or Metroid no one wants a newcomer from an old series. That's the general vibe from Smashboards.

However in Smashboards defence it's due to fear of such a small roster of newcomers. If you got one character from a new series it probably seems difficult to support a second one from that same series with people guessing there's only going to be around 10-13 newcomers.

Nook has plenty of potential and I'm sure for the next Smash we'd see an increase in support. He's a fairly big name and Animal Crossing is hugely successful.
I wonder if Smash 5/6(if you count 3DS) will have arguments over the better AC secondary character; Tom Nook Vs. Isabelle similar to the Wolf Vs. Krystal arguments of Brawl...

 

[Arcadenik]

Wait, Mario had a wand and could make Lumas and rings?
News to me...

In the Galaxy games, Mario was accompanied by Lumas... those Lumas allowed Mario to spin... you had the blue star cursor that appeared on the screen whenever you pointed the Wiimote at the TV... that cursor allowed you to shoot Star Bits and pick up Star Bits (in Smash, Rosalina had Lumas shooting Star Bits and she has a gravity-based special move to pick up items)... and in Galaxy 2, the second player could control an orange Luma and the second player would use that Luma to attack enemies (in Smash, Rosalina can be separated from the Luma and that Luma would attack opponents).

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Returning to the Tom Nook discussion...

Does anybody think Smashboards is horrendously biased as a whole in thinking AC doesn't deserve 2 reps when Mother (which is massively obscure to 90% of people who play this game) has 2 and Star Fox (which is hardly huge) has 3?!

AC is a huge series with loads of moveset potential. Why doesn't it deserve 2 reps? This is exactly why people didn't see Rosalina, Villager and WFT coming... All of these characters are far bigger names to a casual Smash fan than Shulk, Isaac, even Palutena. I tell the average casual fan I know WFT will be in the game, they think "that's pretty cool actually", if I told them Palutena was in 95% would say "Who?"...

Thing is that Star Fox and Mother have gotten those reps gradually over time. This is the first time AC has gotten a playable character, so currently the AC representation seems to be taken care of. With the limited number of newcomer slots it's best to try and spread representation across as much as possible, instead of handing out two of the available slots to one franchise. It's the same reason people aren't expecting anymore Mario or Punch Out characters. It was different in Brawl when they had 18 newcomers to add onto 20 characters, there it was possible to give Pokémon and Kirby two new reps, but this time we're adding newcomers on top of 35 characters, so there's a **** ton more work to do in general, which means there'll be less available slots to hand out, and it's just best to not give out more than 1 to each franchise because of this.

Plus, if they want to suck in AC fans they've probably already done so with Villager, Tom Nook wouldn't really draw many more people towards the game at this stage, so him being more recognized than someone like Palutena doesn't really matter.

 

[Rockaphin]

I can explain.
we don't care if they get two reps. Just not now.
For the most part (there we're a few exceptions, particularly in Melee. But mostly cause they're were quite a few all-stars missing), most franchises get one per game.
So it's very unlikely they'll pull two out two this time around. We can get a second one next game.

Edit: Just realized this:


Do I even need to mention the countless obscure characters we have?

I didn't think it was fair that there was no Mario newcomer in Brawl, or at least someone replacing Dr. Mario. Kirby got 2 newcomers in Brawl due to Melee not introducing another Kirby character. Pokemon got 2 newcomers, but Mewtwo was missing. However, it does appear that there won't be as many newcomers this time around so I understand that most series will only get one newcomer. I agree with your second and third sentence however and I did read where you pointed out that most franchises only got one newcomer.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I remember a time when we got two characters in one new series, but I'd rather not open up that can of worms again.

*cough* roy *cough*​

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I remember a time when we got two characters in one new series, but I'd rather not open up that can of worms again.

*cough* roy *cough*​

I doubt Tom Nook would be a semi-clone, which is the only reason Roy was added to begin with.

 

[Deleted member]

Tom Nook could borrow some moves from Villager, but for the most part, he'd warrant a 'leech' playstyle.

Although not sure how it'd work exactly; irregular hitboxes and lent money?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

And I still think all info is made equal.
Sure, some will get more popularity. But there all still gain to the smaller knowledge (like stages, mechanics, eic.)


Let's just say we have different opinions and move on.

I agree that info can be hype inducing. I just think specific things produce more than others, obviously depending on the person.

Although honestly, I still think character news will outshine everything in a month. But news is news.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Returning to the Tom Nook discussion...

Does anybody think Smashboards is horrendously biased as a whole in thinking AC doesn't deserve 2 reps when Mother (which is massively obscure to 90% of people who play this game) has 2 and Star Fox (which is hardly huge) has 3?!

AC is a huge series with loads of moveset potential. Why doesn't it deserve 2 reps? This is exactly why people didn't see Rosalina, Villager and WFT coming... All of these characters are far bigger names to a casual Smash fan than Shulk, Isaac, even Palutena. I tell the average casual fan I know WFT will be in the game, they think "that's pretty cool actually", if I told them Palutena was in 95% would say "Who?"...

Yeah, I think it's biased, most series get the feel from fans here, except Animal Crossing. I think 2 reps for AC is a good thing and it provides lots of diversity with characters like Wii Fit Trainer coming about.

AC has alot of merits to get another character, it's maybe a new type of "Meta-Knight Dedede" this time around.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I doubt Tom Nook would be a semi-clone, which is the only reason Roy was added to begin with.

Hence the point that I doubt Tom Nook would be added this time around, if not only for the principle that he wouldn't be easy to add at the last minute but for the fact that Sakurai is putting special emphasis on unique characters this time around.

He lacks the easy appeal of Roy in other words. I wouldn't expect Tom Nook until SSB5, at which point expecting him to appear wouldn't seem like a stretch at all.

I swear to god, if one of you correct me on how SSB3DS is considered SSB5...

 

[YoshiandToad]

On the subject of all info being equal; Diddy Kong having a buff is definitely not equal to Rosalina's 'resting' face yesterday.

If the latter counts as info even.

 

[Deleted member]

Rosalina's "damaged" animation is new information but obviously so minuscule a detail no one cares. Although more people will see it than Diddy's neutral special explosion that Sakurai himself says you need to break the foe's shield to make work.

 

[UltimateWario]

I doubt Tom Nook would be a semi-clone, which is the only reason Roy was added to begin with.

Can Roy even be considered a semi-clone? Isn't he like, 90%+ the same as Marth? I don't think any of his attacks even use different animations (besides Flare Dance or whatever).

Also, I guess it's okay to keep buffing Diddy as long as said buffs are completely useless. Those ****ing bananas, though.

 

[Substitution]

In the Galaxy games, Mario was accompanied by Lumas... those Lumas allowed Mario to spin... you had the blue star cursor that appeared on the screen whenever you pointed the Wiimote at the TV... that cursor allowed you to shoot Star Bits and pick up Star Bits (in Smash, Rosalina had Lumas shooting Star Bits and she has a gravity-based special move to pick up items)... and in Galaxy 2, the second player could control an orange Luma and the second player would use that Luma to attack enemies (in Smash, Rosalina can be separated from the Luma and that Luma would attack opponents).

So, we have Lumas and Star Bits.
What about everything else I mentioned?

I didn't think it was fair that there was no Mario newcomer in Brawl, or at least someone replacing Dr. Mario. Kirby got 2 newcomers in Brawl due to Melee not introducing another Kirby character. Pokemon got 2 newcomers, but Mewtwo was missing. However, it does appear that there won't be as many newcomers this time around so I understand that most series will only get one newcomer. I agree with your second and third sentence however and I did read where you pointed out that most franchises only got one newcomer.

Well, to be fair.
Who really was there? We had the big four.
Why go anywhere else?

Heck, I still think Rosalina is pushing it.

 

[Deleted member]

Down+B.... ugh... where the hell did that move come from? Was there a pre-Brawl game or pre-Brawl microgame where Wario passed gas to launch himself?

It comes from Smooth Moves, where Wario's gaseous nature started to be emphasized.

There's also another microgame where Wario is on a wanted poster for "Air Pollution". ....yeah.

There's also the Gas Mask technique from Strikers Charged, but it's unknown which came first; Charged was revealed after Brawl, but released before it.

At this point though, the technique has gone full circle; the M&S Olympics incorporates it starting with the 2nd game. So even if it was original to Smash, it's here to stay.

Anyway, I wish that Wario would get some new moves from Wario Land: Shake It!... maybe that move where he shakes the opponent to make them drop items or to make them scatter their projectiles. For example, if Wario shakes Peach, vegetables are shot in many directions... if Wario shakes Link, bombs fly out... if Wario shakes Pikachu, lightning bolts shock nearby opponents... if Wario shakes Little Mac, nothing happens because he doesn't have projectiles.... if Wario shakes Marth, nothing happens because he doesn't have projectiles either...

While I understand where the idea comes from, it really wouldn't work that way. Particularly if explosives are involved....
It'd be best if it was just the shaking aspect and not the item drop. I can see it as the new Chomp if Sakurai wanted to incorporate some Shake It! into Wario.

Though one thing that would be inexcusable would be Earthshake Punch not being Wario's new Down Smash.

 

[Rockaphin]

Can Roy even be considered a semi-clone? Isn't he like, 90%+ the same as Marth?

Also, I guess it's okay to keep buffing Diddy as long as said buffs are completely useless. Those ****ing bananas, though.

Honestly I considered to be clones. The only semi-clone in Melee was
could probably go either way. . .

 

[Knight Dude]

Can Roy even be considered a semi-clone? Isn't he like, 90%+ the same as Marth? I don't think any of his attacks even use different animations (besides Flare Dance or whatever).

Also, I guess it's okay to keep buffing Diddy as long as said buffs are completely useless. Those ****ing bananas, though.

In Smash 4, you can feel the Potassium Nightmare once again. This time, it's in HD. Or 3D.....depending on which version you get.

 

[UltimateWario]

Honestly I considered to be clones. The only semi-clone in Melee was
could probably go either way. . .

is most certainly a semi-clone, but is most definitely a clone.

 

[Rockaphin]

So, we have Lumas and Star Bits.
What about everything else I mentioned?



Well, to be fair.
Who really was there? We had the big four.
Why go anywhere else?

Heck, I still think Rosalina is pushing it.

Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, and even Toad could've been considered during Brawl IMO

 

[Substitution]

Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, and even Toad could've been considered during Brawl IMO

But let me put it this way.
Could one consider them just as important as Mario, or Luigi?
Sure, they're popular. But are they just as iconic as the big four?

 

[BluePikmin11]

In the Galaxy games, Mario was accompanied by Lumas... those Lumas allowed Mario to spin... you had the blue star cursor that appeared on the screen whenever you pointed the Wiimote at the TV... that cursor allowed you to shoot Star Bits and pick up Star Bits (in Smash, Rosalina had Lumas shooting Star Bits and she has a gravity-based special move to pick up items)... and in Galaxy 2, the second player could control an orange Luma and the second player would use that Luma to attack enemies (in Smash, Rosalina can be separated from the Luma and that Luma would attack opponents).

Now I have a clear idea of how Rosalina got Luma tagged with her.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Can Roy even be considered a semi-clone? Isn't he like, 90%+ the same as Marth? I don't think any of his attacks even use different animations (besides Flare Dance or whatever).

I'm just used to discuss semi-clones, so I slipped on words. Yeah, Roy is a regular clone.

 

[Rockaphin]

But let me put it this way.
Could one consider them just as important as Mario, or Luigi?
Sure, they're popular. But are they just as iconic as the big four?

No, but since that's the big four they'll have to expand the franchise by adding in characters that aren't as popular. The franchise is big enough to include more characters in future installments. Toad is probably the 4th most popular.

 

[Substitution]

No, but since that's the big four they'll have to expand the franchise by adding in characters that aren't as popular.

So my point still stands.

The franchise is big enough to include more characters in future installments. Toad is probably the 4th most popular.

But how much is too much?
They can't just thrown in all these characters all at once.
It just doesn't make sense to have Mario, then Luigi, then Toad, then Bowser Jr., then Rosalina, then Waluigi, then Daisy, and have the roster keep balance within all of this.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Maybe Nintendog can have a playstyle that based on using the touch screen, you rub with the stylus on Nintendog to give him better stats.

 

[Deleted member]

So my point still stands.


But how much is too much?
They can't just thrown in all these characters all at once.
It just doesn't make sense to have Mario, then Luigi, then Toad, then Bowser Jr., then Rosalina, then Waluigi, then Daisy, and have the roster keep balance within all of this.

So, you propose to cut Peach and Bowser?

 

[Substitution]

Maybe Nintendog can have a playstyle that based on using the touch screen, you rub with the stylus on Nintendog to give him better stats.

Oh just how many way I can take this out of context.
It's quite staggering.

 

[UltimateWario]

It just depends on how big the roster is going to get.

If you ask me, each Smash should keep the core roster and trade out for new characters with the extra slots for each installment.

 

[Substitution]

So, you propose to cut Peach and Bowser?

Well, let's see.
2 reps + 2 reps = 5 reps
4 reps - 2 reps = 6.24 reps
And 2 * 2 = fish - 3 = burgers - potato = trumpet = first answer - second answer * 2 equals...
...
...Yeah, they should be cut.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

It just depends on how big the roster is going to get.

If you ask me, each Smash should keep the core roster and trade out for new characters with the extra slots for each installment.

Elaborate. You mean like, keep core members like Mario and Pit, but shift out Rosalina for Toad or something in the next game?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Well, let's see.
2 reps + 2 reps = 5 reps
4 reps - 2 reps = 6.24 reps
And 2 * 2 = fish - 3 = burgers - potato = trumpet = first answer - second answer * 2 equals...
...
...Yeah, they should be cut.

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