Character Discussion Thread

[Depressed Gengar]

So I have a question for you all, which newcomers do you think are essential for a roster?

Aside from Ridley, K. Rool, and Little Mac, no one, really. We already have most of the All-Stars, these three being the only big names excluded (and Mewtwo.)

 

[Kenith]

@ Kenith
Huh, that's the same layout I always use.
Nice too see I'm starting a trend.

Next thing you know, MorbidAltruism makes a roster with all the characters in a long line to counter-act our trend.

So I have a question for you all, which newcomers do you think are essential for a roster?

Mewtwo. But you guys already knew that...

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Mewtwo =/= Newcomer.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The butthurt is flowing through this thread. Sheesh

Let's chill bros. At least the thread isn't in a constant flame war.

 

[AncientTobacco]

So I have a question for you all, which newcomers do you think are essential for a roster?

Well, if less than three of the characters in my sig make it in then I'd be pretty disappointed. But I wouldn't really call anyone "essential".

 

[Kenith]

The butthurt is flowing through this thread. Sheesh

Let's chill bros. At least the thread isn't in a constant flame war.

Really it was just Xenoblaze setting of the Golden-bomb. It hasn't nearly escalated to RPDT-levels, though.
Let's hope it stays that way.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

At least the thread isn't in a constant flame war.

For now...
So, what do we want talk about now?

 

[Kenith]

For some reason I would be completely okay with Pacman if he's the PMP design. What is it with the Ghostly Adventures design that fills me with fear and hate?

 

[FlareHabanero]

What is it with the Ghostly Adventures design that fills me with fear and hate?

Because both the show and game are mediocre at best?

 

[Kenith]

Because both the show and game are mediocre at best?

I haven't played the game, and I've only seen one episode of the show.
It's something with the actual design, even though they seem identical.

 

[AncientTobacco]

For some reason I would be completely okay with Pacman if he's the PMP design. What is it with the Ghostly Adventures design that fills me with fear and hate?

It's something with the actual design, even though they seem identical.

It does have quite a few differences apart from just the teeth. (I'm not going to bother listing them all, though). But I think the main thing is that he looks more like a plastic toy than a living character.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I haven't played the game, and I've only seen one episode of the show.
It's something with the actual design, even though they seem identical.

The teeth.

That's the most notable problem.

It's not so much the added sclera or the more detailed sneakers and gloves, but rather the teeth.

Unless you're one of those people that can't tolerate change to begin with, then in that case everything will be bad about it.

 

[Kenith]

It does have quite a few differences apart from just the teeth. (I'm not going to bother listing them all, though). But I think the main thing is that he looks more like a plastic toy than a living character.

- Eyes are deep set and farther apart
- Mouth is huge and curved on the ends
- Tongue is larger and more pronounced
- Pinocchio nose
- Fingers
- Eyebrows are thicker and more prominent
- Eyes are a more noticeable shade of blue.

Those are all the differences, and in my opinion, they're all negative.

 

[Morbi]

So I have a question for you all, which newcomers do you think are essential for a roster?

I read the responses to your quote, it is quite laughable that most are laboring under the delusion that we have all of the essential characters. I suppose it is a very subjective notion. However, I would assert that we are missing a few blatantly necessary characters.

1. Meowth: The main antagonist of Pokemon. Obviously one of the most prominent franchises should include the spiritual rival of Pikachu (inverted Pokedex numbers alluding to the premise of cat and mouse) along with his iconic role as the most important villain in the popular anime series, the same anime series that has given Mewtwo global recognition.

2. Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh: As if the overt Smash relevance didn't make them seemingly necessary, F-Zero is the face of Smash when associated with Captain Falcon, one of the most popular characters. So much, that only the main antagonist of Legend of Zelda could possibly satisfy a role essential to Smash. One might argue that the series is not relevant to Nintendo, however, this is obviously fallacious, the series is relevant to Smash. In a Smash related context, nothing is more important.

3. Tom Nook: I don't know a lot about Animal Crossing, I do know that he is the face of the series though, so by default, he is essential. I don't care if Villager is "proper representation" that wasn't your question. You didn't ask who the most likely newcomers were, you asked which newcomers were essential. Animal Crossing isn't accurately portrayed without the most prominent character, does it have to be? Not necessarily. But is it? No.

4. Hades: He is one of the only Nintendo characters that represents more than his character in Kid Icarus, more than the franchise Kid Icarus, and MUCH more than a Nintendo character, MUCH more than Nintendo the company. He is the effigy of evil, global recognition doesn't even begin to satisfy what he represents. He is more important, iconic, and prevalent than even Mario himself. He is what Kid Icarus needs to be a main franchise on the roster, just Palutena won't cut it. That would just acknowledge Kid Icarus Uprising, we need something to make the series eternal. Something to make that IP valuable, something to make it akin to Mario and Zelda. Hades could be that character.

 

[Kenith]

Unless you're one of those people that can't tolerate change to begin with, then in that case everything will be bad about it.

I really dig the Pac-Man Party look, though, but that freaking Ghostly Adventures one is deeply unsettling. It's ugly.
And since I know they're going to use it, I don't want to have Pacman.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Meowth is the main antagonist of Pokemon?

Tom Nook is the face of Animal Crossing?

Hades being more important, iconic, and prevalent then Mario?

...

When did I step into Youtube?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah Hades does have potential to be a great marketable KI icon, the amount of personality has shines above all other villains.
I don't think Tom Nook is the face of the AC series, but I do think he was more advocated than the Villager.

 

[AncientTobacco]

- Eyes are deep set and farther apart
- Mouth is huge and curved on the ends
- Tongue is larger and more pronounced
- Pinocchio nose
- Fingers
- Eyebrows are thicker and more prominent
- Eyes are a more noticeable shade of blue.

Those are all the differences, and in my opinion, they're all negative.

Yeah, I completely agree.

The eyebrows are especially bad, because they're essentially cat ears now. As in they don't move. He now makes expressions with his eyelids instead, which looks much worse. Just compare these two:

Spoiler

 

[Morbi]

Meowth is the main antagonist of Pokemon?

Tom Nook is the face of Animal Crossing?

Hades being more important, iconic, and prevalent then Mario?

Yes, Meowth is the main antagonist of Pokemon. I am not necessarily sure if you have been living under a rock. Specifically the anime, which is what characters like Mewtwo and Pikachu are based on. Giovanni is probably the main antagonist of the game, but he isn't as recognizable.

I am not entirely sure, that was my assumption. Not only is he one of the most discussed characters, but he was the only character that I was entirely aware of, obviously he is more prevalent and prominent than every other character that the series has to offer. I didn't even know Villager existed until Smash 4.

Um... yes. Greek Mythology.

 

[Kenith]

I haven't played Uprising. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

We really should have gotten Meowth in SSB64 though.

 

[Morbi]

I haven't played Uprising. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

We really should have gotten Meowth in SSB64 though.

You don't know Hades? Really? Here is a link..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades

 

[Kenith]

You don't know Hades? Really? Here is a link..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades

Very funny.

 

[Louie G.]

So I have a question for you all, which newcomers do you think are essential for a roster?

Everyone says no one, but a roster doesn't look right to me if it is missing the following:
- Mewtwo
- Little Mac
- Palutena
- DK newcomer
- FE newcomer

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Meowth is the main antagonist of Pokemon?

Tom Nook is the face of Animal Crossing?

Hades being more important, iconic, and prevalent then Mario?

...

When did I step into Youtube?

We decided to change this place into YouTubeBoards. Expect everyone expecting Goku and Shadow in about 2 seconds.

 

[3Bismyname]

Very funny.

he's the main antagonist of Uprising. u dont really need to know much more than that.

 

[Morbi]

Meowth is the main antagonist of Pokemon?

Tom Nook is the face of Animal Crossing?

Hades being more important, iconic, and prevalent then Mario?

...

When did I step into Youtube?

Whatever, I apologize about Tom Nook swap him out for Ridley or K. Rool.

 

[Kenith]

Everyone says no one, but a roster doesn't look right to me if it is missing the following:
- Mewtwo
- Little Mac
- Palutena
- DK newcomer
- FE newcomer

Stop making me agree with you!

Whatever, I apologize about Tom Nook swap him out for Ridley or K. Rool.

Are you making a satirical statement...?

 

[Depressed Gengar]

We decided to change this place into YouTubeBoards. Expect everyone expecting Goku and Shadow in about 2 seconds.

Chi-Chi for Smash.

 

[3Bismyname]

Chi-Chi for Smash.

WRONG!!!! we all know Yamcha is the best character in the series

 

[FlareHabanero]

Yes, Meowth is the main antagonist of Pokemon. I am not necessarily sure if you have been living under a rock. Specifically the anime, which is what characters like Mewtwo and Pikachu are based on. Giovanni is probably the main antagonist of the game, but he isn't as recognizable.

Meowth is the main antagonist of jack squat. Meowth was never the big bad of any form of media. EVER. Especially not the video games.

I am not entirely sure, that was my assumption. Not only is he one of the most discussed characters, but he was the only character that I was entirely aware of, obviously he is more prevalent and prominent than every other character that the series has to offer. I didn't even know Villager existed until Smash 4.

How the hell did you not know about Villager, the BLOODY CHARACTER YOU PLAY AS?

Also, Animal Crossing doesn't have any mascot. The closest thing to a mascot would actually be K. K. Slider, but even then that's astretch.

Um... yes. Greek Mythology.

We're talking Hades here, not the character from Greek Mythology.

Also, going by logic, Palutena would be just as effective considering the character is based on Athena.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Yea...none of those characters are essential. Especially not Hades.

I would say that to meet fan demand, that a DK newcomer is closest to essential. Not that the game would be bad without one.

Imo, Villager is the face of Animal Crossing. Palutena will get in before Hades (especially assuming that leak was real)

I would classify Meowth as a rival. Not a main antagonist.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

WRONG!!!! we all know Yamcha is the best character in the series

Chi-Chi and Yamcha Duo for Smash.
Now do we have a deal?

 

[Morbi]

Stop making me agree with you!



Are you making a satirical statement...?

Not necessarily. I would assert that the main antagonist of Nintendo's most prominent franchise (that don't have Mario or Zelda in their names) are somewhat necessary. I fallaciously believed that Tom Nook was the face of the series utilizing empirical data, obviously something I am not an advocate of. Other than that, if one denies the prominence of Meowth, only mental decadence can be at work.

Hades is more of an opinion. I am alluding to more technical aspects of marketing and suggesting a transition in Nintendo's company. One where they don't throw new IP in the ocean to fend for themselves (Wonder Red, anyone?). One where they don't rely on 2 or 3 franchises. I personally believe that if they introduce a well-regarded character into an already popular series utilizing iconic symbolism that they can actually make the series more. They should represent the franchise to a greater extent than Kid Icarus Uprising, Palutena would only allude to the success of one game. Hades IS more iconic than Mario despite Xenoblaze's unfounded dismissal. It is difficult to fathom that your favorite video-game character isn't as iconic as something akin to religion, one that many are fascinated with, one that has been around for hundreds of years... nope. Mario is more important apparently.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think you're taking it the wrong way with Hades Morbid.

 

[Reila]

So I have a question for you all, which newcomers do you think are essential for a roster?

Ridley definitely.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

Opinions guys. Respect 'em.

Everyone has a different view of what characters are essential. I believe a new Pikmin character is essential, but I'm willing to bet 90% of the Smash fanbase disagrees.

 

[Kenith]

Not necessarily. I would assert that the main antagonist of Nintendo's most prominent franchise (that don't have Mario or Zelda in their names) are somewhat necessary. I fallaciously believed that Tom Nook was the face of the series utilizing empirical data, obviously something I am not an advocate of. Other than that, if one denies the prominence of Meowth, only mental decadence can be at work.
Hades is more of an opinion. I am alluding to more technical aspects of marketing and suggesting a transition in Nintendo's company. One where they don't throw new IP in the ocean to fend for themselves (Wonder Red, anyone?). One where they don't rely on 2 or 3 franchises. I personally believe that if they introduce a well-regarded character into an already popular series utilizing iconic symbolism that they can actually make the series more. They should represent the franchise to a greater extent than Kid Icarus Uprising, Palutena would only allude to the success of one game. Hades IS more iconic than Mario despite Xenoblaze's unfounded dismissal. It is difficult to fathom that your favorite video-game character isn't as iconic as something akin to religion, one that many are fascinated with, one that has been around for hundreds of years... nope. Mario is more important apparently.

There you go, you found an application of decadence.

What does a character named Hades very, very loosely based off of a mythological character in one video-game have to do with the mythological character? Hades is a legendary figure, but he isn't a mascot. he doesn't have a set personality or appearance. The Hades in Uprising shares only a name. Advocating the character from Uprising won't do the series any good.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Not necessarily. I would assert that the main antagonist of Nintendo's most prominent franchise (that don't have Mario or Zelda in their names) are somewhat necessary. I fallaciously believed that Tom Nook was the face of the series utilizing empirical data, obviously something I am not an advocate of. Other than that, if one denies the prominence of Meowth, only mental decadence can be at work.

Hades is more of an opinion. I am alluding to more technical aspects of marketing and suggesting a transition in Nintendo's company. One where they don't throw new IP in the ocean to fend for themselves (Wonder Red, anyone?). One where they don't rely on 2 or 3 franchises. I personally believe that if they introduce a well-regarded character into an already popular series utilizing iconic symbolism that they can actually make the series more. They should represent the franchise to a greater extent than Kid Icarus Uprising, Palutena would only allude to the success of one game. Hades IS more iconic than Mario despite Xenoblaze's unfounded dismissal. It is difficult to fathom that your favorite video-game character isn't as iconic as something akin to religion, one that many are fascinated with, one that has been around for hundreds of years... nope. Mario is more important apparently.

I don't get what you mean. Palutena has been in all 3 Kid Icarus games. Hades only shows up in Uprising.

Hades being an actual Greek God is just a flat out stupid reason. As Xenoblaze mentioned, Palutena was modeled after Athena. Not that either matters. Sakurai isn't simply going to choose Hades because people know the name from History class. Thats just asinine.

Meowth may be "villainous", but Mewtwo is far more fitting for the villain role. If he wasn't, why wasn't Meowth added instead? Meowth has had monumentous amounts of time to get in. He's been there the whole time. He is certainly not "essential".

 

[Arcanir]

Hades from KI and Hades from Greek Mythology are not entwined, the former draws from the latter in terms of basis but just like the aforementioned Palutena and Athena the relationship ends there. Hades in KI is not more well known or recognized just because his name's the same as a god, that's not going to carry him farther then any of the other KI characters and especially not Mario.

 

[Morbi]

Yea...none of those characters are essential. Especially not Hades.

I would say that to meet fan demand, that a DK newcomer is closest to essential. Not that the game would be bad without one.

Imo, Villager is the face of Animal Crossing. Palutena will get in before Hades (especially assuming that leak was real)

I would classify Meowth as a rival. Not a main antagonist.

I didn't assert that Palutena wouldn't get in before Hades. I don't expect Hades. I am just stating my opinion, again, this is entirely subjective.

Secondly, I don't mean to be crass, but I don't really care how you interpret Meowth. Meowth is an antagonist by definition, as he is the main character in regards to an antagonistic archetype, he is the main antagonist by definition. This is only in regards to the anime, this notion isn't applicable to the video-game franchise, to be more concise.

Meowth is the main antagonist of jack squat. Meowth was never the big bad of any form of media. EVER. Especially not the video games.


How the hell did you not know about Villager, the BLOODY CHARACTER YOU PLAY AS?

Also, Animal Crossing doesn't have any mascot. The closest thing to a mascot would actually be K. K. Slider, but even then that's astretch.


We're talking Hades here, not the character from Greek Mythology.

Also, going by logic, Palutena would be just as effective considering the character is based on Athena.

Again, by definition. He appears in almost every single episode of the anime. So he is the main antagonist of the anime, not the video-game. I never insinuated anything to that extent.

I have not played Animal Crossing. Tom Nook was always the character that was being discussed, Tom Nook is the only character that I was aware of. Again, it was a mistake, I am not entirely sure why you felt the compulsion to respond to this very notion yet again.

I am talking about Hades from Greek Mythology. I alluded to it in my post and I made it VERY CLEAR AND APPARENT. So if you didn't catch that, I question your reading competency. I am entirely aware that Hades from Kid Icarus isn't much unless you attach the symbolism to his character. Again, a non-Nintendo fan playing Smash 4, without any experience regarding Nintendo will recognize characters like Mario, Link, Pikachu... and Hades. That is why he is essential from my subjective perspective. If you don't agree, that is completely and utterly fine. There is no reason to berate me because I don't agree with you. I explained my reasoning with logic, so don't pretend as though this is some YouTube comment. Maybe it is a YouTube-esque sentiment, but I don't necessarily appreciate the implications.