Character Discussion Thread

[FlareHabanero]

...we need a super realistic, gritty character in Smash. I'm talking like, Generic CoD Soldier-tier grit. Even Snake would back up and be like "Holy ****, this dude's gritty as ****!" at this guy. Any suggestions?

Lip?

 

[UltimateWario]

Travis Touchdown?

Too much Suda 51.

Dunsparce?

Too much Normal-Type.

Lip?

Too much loli.

Waluigi.

"And Wario found that this character was juuuuuuuuuust right!"

At the risk of continuing this admittedly off-topic discussion, and, mentioning Waluigi, how would you guys feel about Assist Trophy characters being made playable through DLC? This is assuming that they are given the full newcomer treatment and are given new models and use no assets from their Assist Trophy appearance.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Marcus Fenix, Serious Sam, and Turok Trainer, where the Trainer is Duke Nukem.

Did I win?

 

[SuperBrawler]

Too much Suda 51.

Too much Normal-Type.

Too much loli.

"And Wario found that this character was juuuuuuuuuust right!"

At the risk of continuing this admittedly off-topic discussion, and, mentioning Waluigi, how would you guys feel about Assist Trophy characters being made playable through DLC? This is assuming that they are given the full newcomer treatment and are given new models and use no assets from their Assist Trophy appearance.

Waluigi and Samurai Goroh.

 

[Parmite]

Too much Suda 51.

Too much Normal-Type.

Too much loli.

"And Wario found that this character was juuuuuuuuuust right!"

At the risk of continuing this admittedly off-topic discussion, and, mentioning Waluigi, how would you guys feel about Assist Trophy characters being made playable through DLC? This is assuming that they are given the full newcomer treatment and are given new models and use no assets from their Assist Trophy appearance.

I don't like the idea of playing as an assist trophy through DLC. Not only do I not like DLC, but I feel assist trophies are assist trophies for a reason. I'm sure everyone will disagree with me though, seeing as both Waluigi and Ashley are assist trophies.

 

[BKupa666]

I used to think that Nintendo would just discontinue Smash whenever Sakurai left, which becomes an increasingly likely possibility the longer the series goes on, considering how Iwata confirmed that, if Sakurai said no to Brawl, Nintendo would have just ported Melee to the Wii with added online compatibility. However, I've now come to realize that Nintendo probably likes money. Money is probably something Nintendo likes. And, as such, they'll pick Smash back up eventually, Sakurai or no Sakurai. It may be revamped for sure, but it'll be continued.

 

[Pacack]

I'm almost positive that the very least they will do is port Smash 4 to new consoles. They'd have to be stupid to not do that.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't like the idea of playing as an assist trophy through DLC. Not only do I not like DLC, but I feel assist trophies are assist trophies for a reason. I'm sure everyone will disagree with me though, seeing as both Waluigi and Ashley are assist trophies.

Why? Are Waluigi and Ashley not meant to be Assist Trophies?

 

[JamesDNaux]

I can't even imagine what Smash would be like over twenty years from now. It'd probably be insane, with M$ not making consoles Nintendo would have Rare characters back, Nintendo could potentially merge with Sega and/or Capcom, adding more of those characters in, Nintendo might even try another partnership with Sony to make Super Smash All Stars Battle Extraordinaire.

Idiots would still be shouting for Goku though.

Too much loli.

That just isn't possible.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

All this talk about Smash in 20 years or more from now is tempting me to make an absolutely huge roster...

Come to think of it, I haven't re-downloaded the Roster Maker since I got my new computer up and running, which was around the first few days of last January. I'll probably try downloading it again tomorrow.

 

[Kenith]

I used to think that Nintendo would just discontinue Smash whenever Sakurai left, which becomes an increasingly likely possibility the longer the series goes on, considering how Iwata confirmed that, if Sakurai said no to Brawl, Nintendo would have just ported Melee to the Wii with added online compatibility. However, I've now come to realize that Nintendo probably likes money. Money is probably something Nintendo likes. And, as such, they'll pick Smash back up eventually, Sakurai or no Sakurai. It may be revamped for sure, but it'll be continued.

I'm imagining a revamped Smash Bros would prioritize characters with actual importance for Nintendo versus Smash relevance.
It could mean cutting characters like Jigglypuff, R.O.B., and Ice Climbers, but also Ness, Captain Falcon, and, obviously, Snake.

 

[AEMehr]

a revamped Smash Bros would prioritize characters with actual importance for Nintendo versus Smash relevance.

cutting characters like R.O.B.

Stop.

 

[MasterofMonster]

Cutting ROB would be stupid in so many ways.

1: Extremely important to Nintendo, and gaming in general
2: Pretty darn popular overall
3: compleyely unique and different moveset
4: only Robot character in Smash Bros. history

Cutting Fox, Falcon, Ness, etc, would in most ways make more sense than Cutting ROB.

I also don't get what people mean by 'WTF character', as in, they are some sort of special class of characters that Sakurai only put in to 'be silly', or something. People also seems to Think Sakurai has a limit to 'one WTF character' each game. No logic in any of Thos at all.

 

[Kenith]

Stop.

I meant now. He doesn't exactly have any relevance in today's games.

Cutting ROB would be stupid in so many ways.

1: Extremely important to Nintendo, and gaming in general
2: Pretty darn popular overall
3: compleyely unique and different moveset
4: only Robot character in Smash Bros. history

I never said I wanted him to be cut! I said that it could happen hypothetically in a game that doesn't exist...

 

[YoshiandToad]

4: only Robot character in Smash Bros. history

I agree with most of these points but the above point sort of isn't true anymore with the inclusion of Megaman.

 

[AEMehr]

I meant now. He doesn't exactly have any relevance in today's games.

You didn't mention Mr. Game & Watch and...

I'm imagining a revamped Smash Bros would prioritize characters with actual importance for Nintendo versus Smash relevance.

That contradicts what you said previously so.

 

[Kenith]

I agree with most of these points but the above point sort of isn't true anymore with the inclusion of Megaman.

I think he means stereotypical robot, ya, beep boop beep robots.

You didn't mention Mr. Game & Watch and...
That contradicts what you said previously so.

Who cares what I said? Do I have to list every example? I am tired, I thought I wrote that more clearly.

 

[MasterofMonster]

@ Kenith
Oh, don't worry, I didn't specifically mean you, you just reminded me of the massive amount of people that DO say it. ^^

@ YoshiandToad
Ah... well, I don't know that much about MegaMan, never played his games. I just assumed he was a normal boy that was made up mostly of robot parts now. :/

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I meant now. He doesn't exactly have any relevance in today's games.

He doesn't have recency, not relevance. He will always be more relevant to Nintendo than a vast majority of Nintendo characters simply due to the fact he saved Nintendo.

 

[Kenith]

Alright, I'm officially checking out of this conversation.

Who likes semi-clones.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I have no problem with semi-clones.

 

[Kenith]

I have no problem with semi-clones.

Everyone does for some reason. I like them. Or rather, there is currently no existing semi-clone that bothers me.

Wait.

Almost.

 

[josh bones]

Everyone does for some reason. I like them. Or rather, there is currently no existing semi-clone that bothers me.

Wait.

Almost.

Delfino Plaza is best Semi clone tho

 

[YoshiandToad]

Alright, I'm officially checking out of this conversation.

Who likes semi-clones.

Honestly I'd prefer our current set of semi-clones to get further decloning; Lucas, Toon Link(especially this guy, but it hasn't happened), Falco and Ganondorf in particular. Wolf I'm actually okay with his level of declonification since both specials AND standards are tweaked. Just need to alter that Final Smash and I'm absolutely fine with Wolf.

Yes I know declonification is not a real word. I don't care.

 

[Parmite]

I'm just gonna leave this here. I think ROB should have moves from Stack-Up. I don't exactly know what the moves would be, but I trust Sakurai with my heart and soul.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I'm just gonna leave this here. I think ROB should have moves from Stack-Up. I don't exactly know what the moves would be, but I trust Sakurai with my heart and soul.

I think stack up should have to do with the final smash


Oh yea insta change but I found out something about melee I did accure to me about sakurai considering Mach rider and balloon fighter but there music was in melee

(Balloon fighter was on the ice climber stage)

(And Mach rider on big blue)

 

[ChikoLad]

I didn't want to jump into this discussion, but I have to point out that none of your post is objective in the slightest and is just as much speculation and opinion as Wariofans.

Especially when your entire post is trying to convince him why you thought Sonic's portayal in Brawl was so great (which is completely 100% subjective) while Wariofan, while not providing objective evidence (which would be impossible) at least provided probable theories for the whole situation that Sonic last minute inclusion did indeed cut content from the game (don't forget, the game was delayed just to add Sonic in. If that isn't last minute then I don't know what is).

Sorry for the late reply but when people try to push their subjective views as objective I find it very annoying. We should be mindful that Sonic being the cause of possible cut content is pure speculation, but also pretty probable.


He's just another Legendary Pokemon? He's not only the most iconic legendary Pokemon, but one of the most iconic Pokemon period.

Mewtwo was terrible in Melee. And I am not that much of a Pokemon fan, nor was I a fan of Mewtwo. Still, if I am to believe that Smash Bros. is truly a Nintendo All-Star battle Royale then Mewtwo deserves his spot. In popularity and iconicness, he is leagues ahead of almost all other Pokemon, save for maybe the Kanto Starters and Pikachu himself.


As for Galacta Knight, while that would cool, I wouldn't get my hopes up for tons of alt costumes.

Actually, it was an objective post, because Wariofan had absolutely no evidence (as you just stated) that Sonic caused a delay, and I provided way more evidence that it was improbable (while still acknowledging the possibility) than he provided for it being probable. Wariofan even backed up my own point when providing me with the point about Mewtwo taking 700 hours to implement into Project M. As 700 hours is less then a month and because modders did that, it goes to show that adding a character into Smash takes less time than many people would believe. Sonic was most certainly not the cause of any huge delay, and we already know for a fact that Brawl was delayed because of SSE and the online play. I don't understand where this assumption is coming from either, because "last-minute" is a vague assertion. Are you guys seriously trying imply that Sonic was added right when the game was supposed to ship? Because Melee's development says Sakurai would not do that, as Sonic and Snake were both considered for Melee, but the game was too late in development for it. Which obviously implies Melee would have to be delayed by a month or so to add Sonic and Snake. So the much more likely assertion is that Sonic is "last-minute" in the sense that he was added to the roster when it was about to be finalised. However, roster finalisation actually takes place pretty early in development.

Also, it should be noted that Sonic was playable in the E For All demo for Brawl. Which is why I find it highly improbable that Sonic was the cause of a massive delay. His inclusion seemed very planned, due to him being on that poll on Nintendo's Japanese website pre-release.

 

[Louie G.]

Sakurai himself said that the game was delayed to add Sonic, since Sonic was the only character that was not planned from the get go.
Why does it even matter anyway? He's in the game, isn't that good enough?

 

[Parmite]

I don't like Sonic. He;s a boring character. I love the move where he curls up into a ball.

 

[ChikoLad]

Sakurai himself said that the game was delayed to add Sonic, since Sonic was the only character that was not planned from the get go.
Why does it even matter anyway? He's in the game, isn't that good enough?

Where has he said this? Even on any wiki or trivia page you look at about Sonic, it's says that "Sonic is speculated be a late addition due to him appearing at the very end of SSE". No matter where I look (even on Iwata Asks), there is no quote from Sakurai saying this.

And it matters because spreading false information about a game's development makes things harder when trying to keep an accurate account of it's development for future generations. I'm sure many people here like looking back at the development of old games, but hate finding false information. So I feel it's important to keep things accurate for people in the future. There's also the fact that many very significant features were announced after Brawl's delay.

 

[Shotguner159]

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/15390/sakurai-speaks-on-brawl-character-development
Apparently he said Sonic was a late addition at in a Game Developers Conference in 2008.

 

[ChikoLad]

It's obvious that he was a late addition, but that still doesn't say anything about delaying the game, and he was apparently added quickly.

If I had to make a guess, I'm pretty sure Sakurai had some documents prepared to show Sega whenever he first began negotiating Sonic's inclusion. Maybe he even had an early playable version to show them (as he would have to convince them he could create a good portrayal of the character). And he was probably planned early on too, but Sakurai simply didn't have the rights to officially add him until later on (because he was already considered for Melee, so the thought had to have been there).

So I think there must be some confusion regarding this. We know that he had difficulty making the negotiations with Sega. But adding a character to the roster constitutes having the rights to the character, as well as the playable build and franchise representation in place of that character. So I think some work on Sonic had been done before 2007, but it just took Sakurai a while to convince Sega, and he needed material to show off. He wasn't given the A-OK until later on, but he already had work done on Sonic and his representation at that point. I don't believe Sonic was part of the initial roster plan, but I don't think he was added so late that it caused a delay. That's not a thing Sakurai would do, considering Sonic and Snake didn't make it into Melee, but were considered.

 

[Starcutter]

I love the move where he curls up into a ball.

Oh so all of them

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Any thoughts from you guys? I kinda regret not changing the slots of Rosalina and Yoshi, but otherwise I'm pretty satisfied here with this.

 

[Opossum]

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Any thoughts from you guys? I kinda regret not changing the slots of Rosalina and Yoshi, but otherwise I'm pretty satisfied here with this.

Looking good, though I'd personally swap Roy for Chrom. Other than that, I'd be extremely happy with this roster.

 

[Sonic Poke]

There's no reason to bring Roy back since Sakurai almost ever prefer the latest main character of the latest game. Chrom, Lucina or Robin are more likely.
Dixie was featured in the last DK game, she could join the fray.
Snake could be back, but, it's not too likely... Pac-Man, since Nanco is in the smash's development team, and because of the E3 leak, is more likely. But personally I prefer Lloyd. Anyway, i'd be happy with Snake.

The roster is good.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Looking good, though I'd personally swap Roy for Chrom. Other than that, I'd be extremely happy with this roster.

My personal thoughts on this is that I'm pretty sure Roy will at least be Sakurai's initial thought before going to IS, and he may keep that choice.

There's no reason to bring Roy back since Sakurai almost ever prefer the latest main character of the latest game. Chrom, Lucina or Robin are more likely.
Dixie was featured in the last DK game, she could join the fray.
Snake could be back, but, it's not too likely... Pac-Man, since Nanco is in the smash's development team, and because of the E3 leak, is more likely. But personally I prefer Lloyd. Anyway, i'd be happy with Snake.

The roster is good.

Roy is essentially as popular as Mewtwo in Japan. That's a pretty good reason to bring him back, especially with his recent statements on cuts.

I think Dixie/K. Rool is a toss-up and could go either way

Snake is a character I feel pretty confident about. Popular in brawl, and Sakurai's comments about cuts apply to him especially. Pac-Man is really a toss up-ish character, unsure but he's probably a character I would choose if this was bigger.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

There's no reason to bring Roy back since Sakurai almost ever prefer the latest main character of the latest game. Chrom, Lucina or Robin are more likely.

Roy was still planned to be in, but got cut due to time constraints. Recency isn't everything, not even in franchises where the character in the spotlight changes, such as Fire Emblem, Golden Sun and Pokemon*

*Not that recency would remotely matter for franchises such as Donkey Kong Country and Metroid amongst others, roster-wise.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Alright, I'm officially checking out of this conversation.

Who likes semi-clones.

Only if Pichu counts as one because of new gimmick and Agility.

 

[MasterofMonster]

This is still my Most Wanted Roster (or at least the reasonable one I can make), with the four at the bottom being DLC characters. ^^

I like it. 50 Slots. 59 characters counting Sheik, Ganon, SS and the Pokeymans, as well as the DLC characters.