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Oniric Spriter

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You see, this is what I wouldn't like to see, other characters as costumes.
Dr. Mario and Dr. Luigi as costumes for Mario and Luigi? Sure, they're still Mario and Luigi after all.
Outset Island outfit for Toon Link? All of my yes.
Young Link costume for Toon Link? Hell no.
Lucina costume for Marth? Hell no.
Marth with Awakening's design? Perfect.
Shadow for Sonic? NO
Samus with different suits? YES
Galacta Knight for Meta Knight? What is wrong with you?
Protoman costume for Megaman? As a pallete swap only, no scarf, no glasses etc.

Just a few examples of how costumes should/shouldn't be.
 
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Want to know what alternate costume would make my life?

Samus with green hair, pink jumpsuit, and green blaster over Power Suit Samus. Would be an absolutely brilliant homage to the original Zero Suit Samus, who actually had an arm cannon and everything.
 
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Galacta Knight is never, ever gonna be playable, I'd like to have the option of playing as "him," and giving Meta Knight that option as a costume makes that possible?
And even then, Galacta Knight is so similar to Meta Knight that you could give him a similar costume without even making him a different character. I don't generally like the idea (because I have crazy OCD and I can't even stand nicknaming my Pokemon), but Galacta Meta Knight is something I've always thought would be pretty acceptable.

Want to know what alternate costume would make my life?

Samus with green hair, pink jumpsuit, and green blaster over normal Samus.
11/10 Great idea.
 
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I don't see what exactly is wrong here, same exact body shape, both have wings, they both even wear a mask and shoulder guards, and they both wield a similar weapon. Would make a really neat costume with it's own set of alt colours really.
 

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I guess one alternate costume that would make my day is Toon Link in his Outset Island clothing. (Extra points if the Conductor Outfit gets thrown along with it)
 

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Galacta Knight is never, ever gonna be playable, I'd like to have the option of playing as "him," and giving Meta Knight that option as a costume makes that possible?
Maybe wearing Galacta's mask and a palette swap would be ok, but the lance/shield/wings would take too much time and not even counting that using a lance as a sword would look odd.

Also the "What is wrong with you?" wasn't going for you, sorry if it looked like.
 

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And even then, Galacta Knight is so similar to Meta Knight that you could give him a similar costume without even making him a different character. I don't generally like the idea (because I have crazy OCD and I can't even stand nicknaming my Pokemon), but Galacta Meta Knight is something I've always thought would be pretty acceptable.
I would actually be beyond thrilled seeing a Meta Knight alt with white wings, pink body, and pink sword. An alternate costume isn't even necessary.

11/10 Great idea.
And if we can't have that, at least give Zero Suit Samus' pink alt green hair.
 
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You see, this is what I wouldn't like to see, other characters as costumes.
Dr. Mario and Dr. Luigi as costumes for Mario and Luigi? Sure, they're still Mario and Luigi after all.
Outset Island outfit for Toon Link? All of my yes.
Young Link costume for Toon Link? Hell no.
Lucina costume for Marth? Hell no.
Marth with Awakening's design? Perfect.
Shadow for Sonic? NO
Samus with different suits? YES
Galacta Knight for Meta Knight? What is wrong with you?
Protoman costume for Megaman? As a pallete swap only, no scarf, no glasses etc.

Just a few examples of how costumes should/shouldn't be.
Why though? It's a nice way of showing models of extra characters without programming a new moveset. I picked Protoman specifically because he has similar proportions to Mega Man. And I agree with the Galacta Knight choice too.
 

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Galacta Knight seems too drastic of an outfit swap for Meta Knight if you asked me. Maybe Meta Knight can get a recolor to reference Galacta Knight, but an alternate outfit won't exactly work, considering that Galacta Knight uses a lance and shield to fight.
 

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Maybe wearing Galacta's mask and a palette swap would be ok, but the lance/shield/wings would take too much time and not even counting that using a lance as a sword would look odd.
Edit: An example I found:

Also the "What is wrong with you?" wasn't going for you, sorry if it looked like.

Edit: Lmao this was supposed to be edited, my bad.
 
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Maybe wearing Galacta's mask and a palette swap would be ok, but the lance/shield/wings would take too much time and not even counting that using a lance as a sword would look odd.

Also the "What is wrong with you?" wasn't going for you, sorry if it looked like.
How would making a lance and slapping on smaller Pit wings take too much time? They wouldn't even need the shield since Meta Knight doesn't use one. That seems a little biased don't you think? You're ok with alt costumes of the same character but not of a different character, it would "take too much time" regardless.

Using a lance as a sword wouldn't be as weird as Ganondorf mimicking his favorite racecar driver or Rosalina throwin her own "children" as weapons.
 

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Meta Knight having a palette that would make him look similar to Galacta Knight in color seems like the most likely possibility, but a a costume making him look completely like Galacta Knight would make my day.

I'd really like an Outset Toon Link costume as well.
 

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Why though? It's a nice way of showing models of extra characters without programming a new moveset. I picked Protoman specifically because he has similar proportions to Mega Man. And I agree with the Galacta Knight choice too.
Because no man, smashing a character inside another one doesn't sound right (maybe it's just me). How would you feel if Luigi was a Mario costume? I would feel really bad, even if it were Smash 64.

How would making a lance and slapping on smaller Pit wings take too much time? They wouldn't even need the shield since Meta Knight doesn't use one. That seems a little biased don't you think? You're ok with alt costumes of the same character but not of a different character, it would "take too much time" regardless.

Using a lance as a sword wouldn't be as weird as Ganondorf mimicking his favorite racecar driver or Rosalina throwin her own "children" as weapons.
Where's the difference between that and having his own slot being a clone? You're taking the same amount of time anyway so...?

You're ok with alt costumes of the same character but not of a different character
Hint as to why they are called "costumes" and not "let's completely change this character too look like another one with similar body proportions".
 
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That's like saying Biker Wario, or MWFT isn't worth it, cause it would take too much time. I know Galacta Knight is a different character, but he is almost exactly the same.
 
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Hint as why they are called "costumes" and not "let's completely change this character too look like another one with similar body proportions".
Cosplay.

I mean seriously man, you put the word costume in quotations, that's exactly what a costume is, dressing up as something you're not.
 

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That's like saying Biker Wario, or MWFT isn't worth it, cause it would take too much time. I know Galacta Knight is a different character, but he is almost exactly the same.
Galacta Knight would have to play exactly like Meta Knight to even count as an alternate outfit. At least Wario is still Wario when he's wearing his WarioWare outfit.
 

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Cosplay.

I mean seriously man, you put the word costume in quotations, that's exactly what a costume is, dressing up as something you're not.
But when you cosplay someone you try to look like him not be him/her.

Anyway, prepared to be dissapointed guys if you're expecting this type of things.
 

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If it were a character like Dixie being used as a costume for Diddy, then I'd agree that it would be a terrible idea.

But a Galacta Knight costume for Meta Knight? There is no way that Galacta Knight is going to become playable, so I don't see why Meta Knight can't have a Galacta Knight costume.
 

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But when you cosplay someone you try to look like him not be him/her.

Anyway, prepared to be dissapointed guys if you're expecting this type of things.
Meta Knight trying to be Galacta Knight would be Meta Knight shooting lasers from his sword and performing a multiple of moves that cover the entire screen. Simply having a different outfit with the same moveset does not necessarily make it a different character entirely.

I wouldn't put my hopes any higher than as alternate colors rather than a full-on alt., though.
 

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My Two Cents:
Galacta Knight is a different character completely. I think an alternate reference palette ala MVC3's will be the most likely result for Meta Knight.

Nothing more (BWD), Nothing less.
 
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I made a (rather bad) mock up for Captain Falcon. Might improve it some other time, just a quick thing I did.

 

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Though not expecting it, I don't see anything wrong with a Galacta Knight model as an alt for Meta Knight. Aside from feathery wings and shield, everything else on Galacta Knight is almost like Meta Knight. The models are similar enough to have the exact same animations. From an animation standpoint, putting Galacta Knight as a Meta Knight alt is not a very complicated task. Both have the same body proportions, so not even the hitboxes would be affected.

Seriously, their differences are about as drastic as classic Wario and WarioWare Wario.
 

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Yeah, Galacta Knight over Meta Knight wouldn't be too far fetched, although it's not likely.
 

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No, they didn't.

Paraphrasing what was said-

Sega: We cannot confirm or deny whether he's coming back, but we think it'd be awesome if it happens. It's possible, but you should ask Nintendo instead of us.

Kojima: I want him back, but I don't think he is going to....Sakurai please bring him back!!!


The two statements are quite different.
Though as I stated in the Snake thread, I'm not saying it's for sure he's not coming back unlike shortie. Just that I have a negative vibe about Kojima's statement compared to the statement Takashi Iizuka gave.
I suppose they're different. Don't crush my hope Golden!:cry:

I will still argue that Kojima's response is vague. Like to the point where we can't make any assumptions. I for one don't think he's gone.

I hope not at least.
 

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I don't think the Snake comment really means anything. I think he's more likely than some think, although he could be cut. Probably around 75-80% I'd say.
 

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I suppose they're different. Don't crush my hope Golden!:cry:

I will still argue that Kojima's response is vague. Like to the point where we can't make any assumptions. I for one don't think he's gone.

I hope not at least.
Basically, what you're saying is that Kojima probably promised Sakurai to fake obliviousness just to leave us guessing if he was planning on Snake, just like he'd ask of SEGA about Sonic until he was announced, and keep the secret longer for further involvement of the Sonic franchise in Smash, like other players, stages, blah blah blah. Sure, Kojima and SEGA would most likely leave it to Sakurai to reveal the characters since it's Sakurai's game, it's only common sense.
 

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Not really, my main focus was how you're objectively wrong about Sonic being the result of a lot of cut content in Brawl, and that your pre-conceived distaste for his Brawl portrayal was the biased reason behind you making such a rash claim.
I didn't want to jump into this discussion, but I have to point out that none of your post is objective in the slightest and is just as much speculation and opinion as Wariofans.

Especially when your entire post is trying to convince him why you thought Sonic's portayal in Brawl was so great (which is completely 100% subjective) while Wariofan, while not providing objective evidence (which would be impossible) at least provided probable theories for the whole situation that Sonic last minute inclusion did indeed cut content from the game (don't forget, the game was delayed just to add Sonic in. If that isn't last minute then I don't know what is).

Sorry for the late reply but when people try to push their subjective views as objective I find it very annoying. We should be mindful that Sonic being the cause of possible cut content is pure speculation, but also pretty probable.

No, seriously, I don't understand why people desperately want Mewtwo back.

I find him extremely lackluster in Super Smash Bros., and he's just another legendary Pokemon.
He's just another Legendary Pokemon? He's not only the most iconic legendary Pokemon, but one of the most iconic Pokemon period.

Mewtwo was terrible in Melee. And I am not that much of a Pokemon fan, nor was I a fan of Mewtwo. Still, if I am to believe that Smash Bros. is truly a Nintendo All-Star battle Royale then Mewtwo deserves his spot. In popularity and iconicness, he is leagues ahead of almost all other Pokemon, save for maybe the Kanto Starters and Pikachu himself.


As for Galacta Knight, while that would cool, I wouldn't get my hopes up for tons of alt costumes.
 
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Basically, what you're saying is that Kojima probably promised Sakurai to fake obliviousness just to leave us guessing if he was planning on Snake, just like he'd ask of SEGA about Sonic until he was announced, and keep the secret longer for further involvement of the Sonic franchise in Smash, like other players, stages, blah blah blah. Sure, Kojima and SEGA would most likely leave it to Sakurai to reveal the characters since it's Sakurai's game, it's only common sense.
Well it goes without saying that Kojima cannot outright confirm or deny anything because of a non-disclosure agreement. This is assuming Snake is in. So really, he couldn't necessarily have had a different response.

I guess there's nothing else to discuss on it for now. But it doesn't outright confirm anything.
 

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No! I said Snake's definitely gone, m'kay????? That is that. *insert Tumblr GIF here*

No, but really. He may be in or out by now, but that interview certainly isn't indicative of which one.
 
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Jonesy, it's absolutely breaking my heart to read your posts. I can really feel your admiration for the character.

I'm beginning to want Snake even more just for your s(n)ake.
 
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Well, if Kojima was just sworn to silence, he could have said "no comment" or "I don't know" rather than "I don't think so". That's the thing. I wouldn't blink at it if he said something like that.
 

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No, but really. He may be in or out by now, but that interview certainly isn't indicative of which one.
He can't exactly say no, but he couldn't say yes if it was true. Even if it wasn't true and he was leading people on he'd be in hot water. So he had to question dodge, by misleading. I think the interview is moot. He can't really say no comment as it's on his own nature to not do so.
 
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Jonesy, it's absolutely breaking my heart to read your posts. I can really feel your admiration for the character.

I'm beginning to want Snake even more just for your s(n)ake.
Well if that's breaking your heart then let me tell you my love story for Snake. :awesome:

I never really cared that Snake was in Brawl, mainly because I had no idea who he was at the time of his inclusion. One day, at a party I was having, I decided to play as Snake to give my friends a handicap. That was because we all thought Snake sucked. Boy, were we wrong. I dominated.

I started playing as him consistently and got good with him. Playing as him made me decide to start playing the series. I looked for weeks for a local Gamestop to carry The Twin Snakes so I could begin, and on a cold winter night after a dinner at Pizza Hut with one of my bros, we set off on a trek of about a half hour to find a copy, and I bought it.

I played it, LOVED IT, then moved onto 2 and 3. I was upset that I had to play as Raiden, because Snake became my home boy. I liked his role in the game however. I actually played through Snake Eater before MGS 2 because I was so pissed at one part in it. I think 3 is my favorite, or at the very least is tied with MGS IV.

I moved onto 4. I actually bought a PS3 simply for it. That game...dear god. I love that game. I found it an incredible conclusion to Solid Snake's story, and I thought it was incredibly touching. My mind was blown at how everything was tied together by the end. All of the characters are memorable, and they all played a part in the story.

Fairly recently, I played through Peace Walker. While the gameplay was different, I definitely enjoyed it, and learned to like Big Boss even more than I already did. MGS IV and Snake Eater did quite a bit as well, but you know what I mean.

Even though it's short, I'm very much looking forward to Ground Zeroes, and the Phantom Pain.

If Snake doesn't make it, then I can't say how I'll react. I'll be sad, and I suppose that I'll always have Brawl to play as him, but I think the positive reaction to him was enough to merit another appearance, even if the agreement was a one time thing between friends, because it very well could have been.

While it may be a wasted effort, I will probably lead a push to make Snake DLC for Smash Wii U and 3DS. I understand how unlikely the premise of that would be, but people need to understand that there is reason for Kojima not to bring MGS to Wii U, and that is because of the lack of market. It will hardly sell. I would buy it, several other people might buy it, but that's tiny compared to the audience on Xbox and Playstation platforms.

My efforts may be in vain...but at least I will be able to say I tried. I hope I don't need to make the effort though.
 

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What's you folks' angle on secondary 3rd Party characters? NOT, second characters from Sonic/MGS/Megaman, but other characters from the same company. (Example: NiGHTS, Simon Belmont, Ryu) I'm nowhere near as opposed to this as I am to second characters from the pre-existing franchises, but I'm still on the fence for it being used on some basis (for example, DLC, or maybe instead of a Metal Gear Assist Trophy, we get a Simon Belmont Assist).
 
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