Character Discussion Thread

[POKEMANSPIKA]

The Japan-only characters usually get away with it since Nintendo is primarily Japanese. The only way to justify Little Mac is because of how his appearance would make the game look.

Which is why they should totally add Takamaru, Goku (Yuyuki), Donbe and Hikari, Lip, and Ayumi Tachibana in Smash Bros.

I don't personally know anybody that'd be more satisfied with a completely different character instead of somebody from the same series. It's all subjective.

And I say F-Zero because most know Goro isn't going to make it because he's an AT and/or "just a simple swordsman."

Its Goroh with an H at the end. Goro is Mortal Kombat's 4 armed dragon monster thing (yes he is part dragon). The simple swordsmen argument is pretty stupid. If they play differently, why should it matter if they are using a sword. No one complains about the abundance of characters who punch and kick in Smash.

 

[StormC]

With any luck, F-Zero will get a successful revival between now and 5mash and Goroh will be a hotly requested character.

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[POKEMANSPIKA]

With any luck, F-Zero will get a successful revival between now and 5mash and Goroh will be a hotly requested character.

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GOROH FOR SMASH!!!

 

[Champ Gold]

Little Mac is a different beast and a weird situation where on how he is.

Little Mac, despite being made by Japanese men, os a western based character. From his original design on how he was based off of Rocky from the movies to his recent redesign to give him more of a inner city Italian American look and his background.

His popularity hits America more than any other franchise that isn't the usual heavy hitters. Mac has more ties with the west than FE does with Japan despite being dormant there for over 10+ years.

His unpopularity in Japan is due to how his games were mostly exclusive to here or rarely released there. It's pretty much how Mother was.

Despite, Nintendo being Japanese company who usually appeals to the Japanese audience with Smash doesn't mean they'll ignore the west. Punch Out is a multi-million dollar franchise who has a big home in America and is the one franchise that is more memorable to the casual audience more so than even &. It was due to the love for Mike Tyson's Punch Out and even the sales of the Wii game which was the first game released as a Nintendo Selects title here and was the first downloadable Wii game on the Wii U e-shop. didn't get in by luck, he got in due to how he was more popular here than any other character in Japan that Sakurai COULDN'T ignore them

 

[Chandeelure]

Statistically speaking, people who like a less popular character from a franchise also like more popular characters in a franchise. Mario is probably the big exception, but other then that I'm seeing tons of overlap.

Never have I met a person who wanted a generic Waddle Dee over Bandana Dee.

And isn't just about every Kirby fan voting for Bandana Dee anyway because he's more popular, and thus the only one with a shot and basically doing the series combining thing anyway?

I only said Waddle Dee because that's Bandana Dee's other name.
I don't really undestand what you said, Bandana Dee is the most requested, but he is not the only requested Kirby character.
Not all the Kirby fans want Bandana Dee.
And that's with all the franchises, not only Kirby.
If I want Dixie, I will vote for her, and not for K.Rool only because he is more popular.

 

[MainJPW]

The simple swordsmen argument is pretty stupid. If they play differently, why should it matter if they are using a sword. No one complains about the abundance of characters who punch and kick in Smash.

I Think it's less to do with swords themselves and more the lack of variety when it comes to weapons.

Like for instance, "why have another swordsman when we could have one who uses the staff (Goku, Krystal) or axe, ect."- something along those lines.

 

[N3ON]

I suspect if F-Zero does get another iteration between now and the next Smash we will end up seeing Goroh playable in Smash 5.

Underrepresented series + popular character + recent title + continually decreasing bar for entry... I see no reason he wouldn't make it.

I suppose some might say Black Shadow would get in over Goroh... but I think it's pretty clear who Sakurai thinks is the secondary character of that series...


Now the trick is just getting another F-Zero... but at least the Criterion leak proves Nintendo has (or at least had) some interest in bringing it back...

 

[MainJPW]

Now the trick is just getting another F-Zero... but at least the Criterion leak proves Nintendo has (or at least had) some interest in bringing it back...

And if the all the F-Zero content in MK8 is any indication.

 

[N3ON]

And if the all the F-Zero content in MK8 is any indication.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they're releasing all that to gauge interest in the series.

And it's been pretty warmly received so here's hoping!~

 

[StormC]

Underrepresented series + popular character + recent title + continually decreasing bar for entry... I see no reason he wouldn't make it.

Actually having a way to fight puts him above like, 90% of the F-Zero roster, too.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Which is why they should totally add Takamaru, Goku (Yuyuki), Donbe and Hikari, Lip, and Ayumi Tachibana in Smash Bros.

Agreed. If anything, we Americans were lucky to even receive Little Mac at all since the character had more of a following in the West and he rarely had visibility in Japan (Thank you based Did You Know Gaming). Sakurai maybe needs to consider thinking outside of the box and realizing that not every character necessarily needs to be know on both sides of the planet.

But if he sticks with this type of mindset, we might as well say that these characters are forever stuck in Assist Trophy Hell or completely faded into obscurity. Takamaru was lucky to even be an Assist Trophy due to all the times Sakurai had considered him since Melee and the game would finally be bought to the West over any of the other obscure series (No love for a non-Yoshi/Pokemon Panel De Pon?). If he seriously thinks that a new game is needed in order for him to finally add that samurai in the roster, Kamiya might as well get to work and make a Nintendo NX Murasame Castle game in the future.

 

[LancerStaff]

Which is why they should totally add Takamaru, Goku (Yuyuki), Donbe and Hikari, Lip, and Ayumi Tachibana in Smash Bros.


Its Goroh with an H at the end. Goro is Mortal Kombat's 4 armed dragon monster thing (yes he is part dragon). The simple swordsmen argument is pretty stupid. If they play differently, why should it matter if they are using a sword. No one complains about the abundance of characters who punch and kick in Smash.

Whoops. Always forget the H when I drop the "Samurai."

People don't complain about punches and kicks because Sakurai's good at designing characters. They all have significantly different playstyles. Goroh doesn't present anything unique, much like Chrom. The whole dashing around swinging the sword shtick wouldn't work for obvious reasons.

I only said Waddle Dee because that's Bandana Dee's other name.
I don't really undestand what you said, Bandana Dee is the most requested, but he is not the only requested Kirby character.
Not all the Kirby fans want Bandana Dee.
And that's with all the franchises, not only Kirby.
If I want Dixie, I will vote for her, and not for K.Rool only because he is more popular.

Most fans of the other Kirby characters I have seen gave up votes for BD just because he's more popular.

I Think it's less to do with swords themselves and more the lack of variety when it comes to weapons.

Like for instance, "why have another swordsman when we could have one who uses the staff (Goku, Krystal) or axe, ect."- something along those lines.

Quite the opposite, for me at least. They could of gave Roy an axe or a knife and he'd be much the same character. It's that the character doesn't do anything else but use the sword. We have virtually every kind of character you could make out of a character that uses a sword, which is why both of the completely new sword users have pretty major gimmicks.

I suspect if F-Zero does get another iteration between now and the next Smash we will end up seeing Goroh playable in Smash 5.

Underrepresented series + popular character + recent title + continually decreasing bar for entry... I see no reason he wouldn't make it.

I suppose some might say Black Shadow would get in over Goroh... but I think it's pretty clear who Sakurai thinks is the secondary character of that series...


Now the trick is just getting another F-Zero... but at least the Criterion leak proves Nintendo has (or at least had) some interest in bringing it back...

Nintendo was approached for allowing them to make a new F-Zero and turned them down, not the other way around. And since that was so long ago we can conclude that it wasn't because Nintendo was planning on making one in-house, they just didn't want to be a part of a game like that.

 

[N3ON]

Nintendo was approached for allowing them to make a new F-Zero and turned them down, not the other way around. And since that was so long ago we can conclude that it wasn't because Nintendo was planning on making one in-house, they just didn't want to be a part of a game like that.

You sure about that?
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._u_f-zero_created_by_burnout_studio_criterion

Alex Ward, Criterion's founder, confirmed they were approached by NoE. Not the other way around.

 

[LancerStaff]

You sure about that?
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._u_f-zero_created_by_burnout_studio_criterion

Alex Ward, Criterion's founder, confirmed they were approached by NoE. Not the other way around.

Must of been thinking of something else...

But after seeing this: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...een_my_idea_of_fun_says_former_criterion_boss Combined with the previous article it looks like Nintendo wanted to just beat out another F-Zero instead of finding somebody who wants to do it. It would of been as soulless as YNI had it been made. That's not very... Nintendo-y.

 

[Kenith]

Quite the opposite, for me at least. They could of gave Roy an axe or a knife and he'd be much the same character. It's that the character doesn't do anything else but use the sword. We have virtually every kind of character you could make out of a character that uses a sword, which is why both of the completely new sword users have pretty major gimmicks.

I don't agree at all.
We're still missing a pretty prominent type of sword, a katana. Which would be unique by virtue of being a katana.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

You sure about that?
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._u_f-zero_created_by_burnout_studio_criterion

Alex Ward, Criterion's founder, confirmed they were approached by NoE. Not the other way around.

curse you Need for Speed: Most Wanted, curse you to.... British Traffic

 

[LancerStaff]

I don't agree at all.
We're still missing a pretty prominent type of sword, a katana. Which would be unique by virtue of being a katana.

Generic hitbox is generic. How are Pit's blades functionally different from Lucina's besides the fact he has two and spins them?

 

[Kenith]

Generic hitbox is generic. How are Pit's blades functionally different from Lucina's besides the fact he has two and spins them?

I'm sorry, but...your argument sorts of sounds like "everything is generic is because generic".
Like, really? You cannot tell the difference between Pit and Lucina's blades? How about that one of them is actually a bow?

 

[StormC]

Of all the reasons to have more swordfighters, "because a katana would be different than a broadsword" has never rung true to me. It wouldn't open up a whole new world of moveset options.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I don't agree at all.
We're still missing a pretty prominent type of sword, a katana. Which would be unique by virtue of being a katana.

Thank for saying that, but there's also the difference in how they use a katana. Takamaru is a traditional Japanese samurai who fights with honor, never really pulling any dirty tricks. Samurai Goroh on the other hand, is more physical and uses brute force with a mixture of katana use.

 

[MainJPW]

I'm sorry, but...your argument sorts of sounds like "everything is generic is because generic".
Like, really? You cannot tell the difference between Pit and Lucina's blades? How about that one of them is actually a bow?

This man will argue anything will he?

 

[Kenith]

Of all the reasons to have more swordfighters, "because a katana would be different than a broadsword" has never rung true to me. It wouldn't open up a whole new world of moveset options.

I'm not saying it's a reason to have more of them, but surely you can see the inherent differences between a katana and a broadsword?

 

[N3ON]

curse you Need for Speed: Most Wanted, curse you to.... British Traffic

On the other hand... if Nintendo was really serious about making an F-Zero... they could've still asked Criterion to make it afterwards... or contracted another dev with a history of racers...

Getting it announced with the Wii U reveal would've been great, but lord knows the fanbase would've still gone crazy over an F-Zero announcement a year later, two years later, or literally at any point in time.

 

[LancerStaff]

I'm sorry, but...your argument sorts of sounds like "everything is generic is because generic".
Like, really? You cannot tell the difference between Pit and Lucina's blades? How about that one of them is actually a bow?

There's zero gameplay difference. To the point where all the Mii swordfighter costumes have different swords, including a katana, with absolutely no gameplay difference.

This man will argue anything will he?

If I believe differently, yes.

 

[StormC]

I'm not saying it's a reason to have more of them, but surely you can see the inherent differences between a katana and a broadsword?

Sure, but I'm not sure how it would translate to anything inherently unique or interesting in Smash.

 

[Kenith]

Sure, but I'm not sure how it would translate to anything inherently unique or interesting in Smash.

That makes one of us.
A character revolving around using quick-draw moves with a katana would be pretty different from the ones we have.

There's zero gameplay difference. To the point where all the Mii swordfighter costumes have different swords, including a katana, with absolutely no gameplay difference.

That's not...No.
They are using the same moveset! Of course they have zero gameplay difference.
A dedicated user of the katana would fight completely different than that.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Generic hitbox is generic. How are Pit's blades functionally different from Lucina's besides the fact he has two and spins them?

CinemaSins: That's racist. *Ding*

 

[YoshiandToad]

I heard Toad being used as an example and the revival of Samurai Goroh as well as Meowth mentioned in the past 5 pages. Naturally I had to get here fast.

What I miss?

 

[Alph Aran]

CinemaSins: That's racist. *Ding*

Sentence:

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I heard Toad being used as an example and the revival of Samurai Goroh as well as Meowth mentioned in the past 5 pages. Naturally I had to get here fast.

What I miss?

Arguments. Me and Arcadenik were talking about Meowth. I like Samurai Goroh. Toad is most popular Mario newcomer but if he can't get in someone said that those fans would vote for other Mario characters (not necessarily true). That about sums it up.

 

[A Distant Demon]

If we're going to have a katana user i would rather have this character

Spoiler

Of course that will never happen based on a number of reasons including her constant decrease in relevancy

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

If we're going to have a katana user i would rather have this character

Spoiler

Of course that will never happen based on a number of reasons including her constant decrease in relevancy

I like Lyn too (one of the only FE characters I would want besides Chrom).

 

[Oasis Dealer]

I still think a F-Zero game is, at the most, being considered. Considering how there's been a cancelled Wii U game, and it appearing in other Nintendo titles, I feel like Nintendo is slowly gaining interest. Now would a new game guarantee a new character? Not likely, but it would possibly be considered.

Also, I find it funny even Sakurai is wondering when the next game would come out. I had a small chuckle when I saw the miiverse post showing him.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, if the new project David Wise is rumored to be working on is composing Smash tracks (it's either that or a new DK game, I'm positive), that's a sign we're getting not just a character, likely K. Rool if they're gonna compose old tracks instead of port TF ones, but a stage packaged in as well. That'll go a long way toward smoothing the DK fanbase's ruffled feathers, it would just need the other character, likely Dixie, and an AT to be all set.

Do we have any reason to believe why David Wise would be composing Smash tracks and we do know anything about when David Wise got hired? That would really help to indicate whenever or not composing Smash OSTs or OSTs for the new DK game is more likely.

Oh good Lord, the salt would be glorious.
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I don't even like salt water and I'll drink it because of that

I would be totally okay with Nintendo's Goku for that reason.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Arguments. Me and Arcadenik were talking about Meowth. I like Samurai Goroh. Toad is most popular Mario newcomer but if he can't get in someone said that those fans would vote for other Mario characters (not necessarily true). That about sums it up.

Busy day.

Wait, Toad's the most popular Mario newcomer? When did this happen? I'm sure Paper Mario and Waluigi have done consistantly better in popularity polls of the past and Tumblr seems to really want to push up the Daisy. (#triggered)
Not to mention the cult of Geno supporters. (#actuallytriggered)

If this is true this is fantastic for us Toad fans who are quiet (but loyal) compared to other fanbases, but I have a feeling even if you combine all the votes for Captain Toad, regular Toad and say...I dunno Toadette, they still would struggle to best ol' Papes.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Busy day.

Wait, Toad's the most popular Mario newcomer? When did this happen? I'm sure Paper Mario and Waluigi have done consistantly better in popularity polls of the past and Tumblr seems to really want to push up the Daisy. (#triggered)
Not to mention the cult of Geno supporters. (#actuallytriggered)

If this is true this is fantastic for us Toad fans who are quiet (but loyal) compared to other fanbases, but I have a feeling even if you combine all the votes for Captain Toad, regular Toad and say...I dunno Toadette, they still would struggle to best ol' Papes.

Well its not confirmed but Toad/Captain Toad is one of the most popular Mario newcomers. Paper Mario is still popular and Daisy is behind him. Waluigi is kind of gone since he's an AT but that won't stop them (just like how Samurai Goroh's AT won't stop me from voting for him).

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

If we're going to have a katana user i would rather have this character

Spoiler

Of course that will never happen based on a number of reasons including her constant decrease in relevancy

You could have Lyn use the katana somewhat grounded in reality (as much as a double-jumping game would allow) like how Marth is a very basic-but-appealing sword user, while having Samurai Goroh use his katana in an over-the-top cartoony unrealistic manner like how Captain Falcon uses hilariously overblown kicks and punches. I think it would differentiate the two while also giving each character their own appeal.

Of course we're talking about two characters that, due to not being A) recent and relevant, B) retro, or C) "lol so random" will sadly not get in anytime soon. I share your pain, liking both characters.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

You could have Lyn use the katana somewhat grounded in reality (as much as a double-jumping game would allow) like how Marth is a very basic-but-appealing sword user, while having Samurai Goroh use his katana in an over-the-top cartoony unrealistic manner like how Captain Falcon uses hilariously overblown kicks and punches. I think it would differentiate the two while also giving each character their own appeal.

Of course we're talking about two characters that, due to not being A) recent and relevant, B) retro, or C) "lol so random" will sadly not get in anytime soon. I share your pain, liking both characters.

*cough cough make another F-Zero Nintendo*

 

[Autumn ♫]

Who needs Samurai Goroh when you can have Vaati?

 

[YoshiandToad]

Who needs Samurai Goroh when you can have Vaati?

Can't I have both?

Prior to ATs and Pokeballs killing my dreams both were in my top 5.

(Vaati for Hyrule Warriors btw. Only way I'm buying the 3DS version after pouring so many man hours into the Wii U one)

Also to expand on that argument earlier; as much as I love the Mario series, it's Toad first and foremost for me, followed by Impa, Inklings, Dixie and Bandanna Dee, Meowth, Goroh and Vaati before we even get to a secondary Mario newcomer personally.

I like Nabbit, I like Daisy, I like Waluigi and I like Paper Mario, but I want Captain/Toad because of the influence he had on my childhood, how important he seemingly was to the Mario series, how much I enjoyed Wario's Woods, SMB2, NSMBWii, 3D World, Mario Kart and of course Captain Toad Treasure Tracker.

Also yes, I even enjoyed him in that ancient Super Mario Bros. Super Show cartoon. If K. Rool can get support for his role in the DK cartoon, I don't see why I can't count that.

Obviously I don't speak for all Mario fans, but I know many Daisy fans want Daisy first and foremost, many Waluigi fans in turn are not Captain Toad fans and Paper Mario fans want him due to their love of his series more than because he's a Mario character. Peculiar argument, hope it's not what actually happens.