Character Discussion Thread

[Champ Gold]

Who is this Starman wrestler guy?

A wrestler from the NES Wrestling game.

He's pretty much the most recognizable one in the game and he actually he exist in a wrestling promotion.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

No, but when have so little to work with, you often can't make anything out of it. See Chrom and almost Mac. Mac only got in because somebody told Sakurai a "white man can't jump" joke and he applied it to him, otherwise he'd still be an AT..

Excuse you Little Mac is Italian-American

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Wait...Nintendo has 4 different characters called Star Man? The Mario power up, the thing from Earthbound, the Kirby enemy and a wrestler. Damn

Star Man with a Starman facing against Star Man in Smash Run.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

He kinda looks like an anime character who fancies drills

He's based off of the Lucha style of wrestling, my location in my avatar is a reference to him.


If you want to know more, come on over to the Star Man thread.
http://smashboards.com/threads/a-wi...r-ssb4-dlc-thread-under-new-ownership.340005/


Shameless self plug.

 

[Pakky]

A wrestler from the NES Wrestling game.
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He's pretty much the most recognizable one in the game and he actually he exist in a wrestling promotion.

One of the playable characters from the NES game Pro Wrestling.

Starman tags in?

 

[Champ Gold]

Starman tags in?

SLAMS THE COMPETITION

 

[A Distant Demon]

Okay throwing things off the rails completely, Samurott is an ugly,ugly pokemon.

Yeah but it has swords and it isn't fire/fighting so it's cool.

He kinda looks like an anime character who fancies drills

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK HE IS

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

A wrestler from the NES Wrestling game.
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He's pretty much the most recognizable one in the game and he actually he exist in a wrestling promotion.

So does Little Mac.

 

[BKupa666]

Seems to me like they'd just do a Ctrl+F search for "Rool" (or whatever the Japanese equivalent is) and lump all the results together. What with all the people writing in about how K. Rool's aliases should be costumes, Nintendo would have to be blind to repeat the mistake localization made on Brawl's trophy, if they weren't already aware due to all the people complaining about it.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Wait...Nintendo has 4 different characters called Star Man? The Mario power up, the thing from Earthbound, the Kirby enemy and a wrestler. Damn

And Capcom also has a character called Star Man, which appeared in a NES game.

EDIT: My 500th post!

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

And Capcom also has a character called Star Man, whic appeared in a NES game.

I had to look up who he was. I'm stupid. Note to self, anyone with a noun in the first part of their name and has man as the second part and is also owned by Capcom is probably a Mega Man boss.

 

[LancerStaff]

Considering you are comparing multiple forums and one small Japanese magazine.

The forums.

Last I checked it was the other way around.

As much as I endorse people having their own ideas, some ideas just...aren't good.

I don't even know what this current discussion is about, but from the looks of things, there's lots of denial/bull****.

I really hope people can learn how to actually form logical reasoning and learn how to be taken seriously. I don't think we're there yet.

This is the freakin' Smash fanbase. Nobody takes anything but the "norm" seriously. Even when it's the truth.

The Smash fanbase gets wrapped-up in silly ideas like "Ridley isn't too big, Sakurai's implying he's a character" or "Gematsu still isn't wrong even though it is!" There's no convincing way to set any new idea unless Sakurai does forcibly. Ridley, Mewtwo's custom moves, Mewtwo in Brawl, "no more clones", "no more patches", Tower of Smash... Since when is the majority right?

Fair point. But...

That's the point I'm making. I have some basis. You have none.

My basis is that the Smash fanbase is often completely wrong and blind. Worked for all of the above.

HIs name is Baron K. Roolenstein, not Doctor K.

Considering Falkoopa just said that before I said what I said and apparently Kap'n is an acceptable nickname, one would think I know.

And I've even saved that Banana Bird from his sub.

Seems to me like they'd just do a Ctrl+F search for "Rool" (or whatever the Japanese equivalent is) and lump all the results together. What with all the people writing in about how K. Rool's aliases should be costumes, Nintendo would have to be blind to repeat the mistake localization made on Brawl's trophy, if they weren't already aware due to all the people complaining about it.

Thank you for proving my point that it's not insane for Sakurai to group different votes together.

 

[Champ Gold]

Last I checked it was the other way around.



This is the freakin' Smash fanbase. Nobody takes anything but the "norm" seriously. Even when it's the truth.

The Smash fanbase gets wrapped-up in silly ideas like "Ridley isn't too big, Sakurai's implying he's a character" or "Gematsu still isn't wrong even though it is!" There's no convincing way to set any new idea unless Sakurai does forcibly. Ridley, Mewtwo's custom moves, Mewtwo in Brawl, "no more clones", "no more patches", Tower of Smash... Since when is the majority right?



My basis is that the Smash fanbase is often completely wrong and blind. Worked for all of the above.



Considering Falkoopa just said that before I said what I said and apparently Kap'n is an acceptable nickname, one would think I know.

And I've even saved that Banana Bird from his sub.



Thank you for proving my point that it's not insane for Sakurai to group different votes together.

We're all human and make mistakes and misjudgment but you gotta realize this what comes to a territory of character speculation over a franchise of Nintendo characters fighting each other. It's just endless speculation and arguments of gets in or not.

I see where you're coming from but calm do n and remember what you're discussing here

 

[BKupa666]

Context is key. If it's the same character under different names (or little kids misspelling stuff...Issac, Crystal, etc.), it makes sense to lump together the findings. When it comes to lumping together every character from different series as Frankensteins' monsters and tossing in characters based on which series get more cumulative votes? That's silly and would skew the results in a way that shafts the legitimate more popular choices. There are more random Mario characters probably getting votes than anyone else, but adding them all together, you'd get the false impression "Eighth Mario Rep" was a massive request.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

There are more random Mario characters probably getting votes than anyone else, but adding them all together, you'd get the false impression "Eighth Mario Rep" was a massive request.

Man, Eighth Mario Rep is my favorite Mario character.

 

[LancerStaff]

We're all human and make mistakes and misjudgment but you gotta realize this what comes to a territory of character speculation over a franchise of Nintendo characters fighting each other. It's just endless speculation and arguments of gets in or not.

I see where you're coming from but calm do n and remember what you're discussing here

It's not anger that makes me say the Smash fanbase is stupid, it's experience, if that's what you're asking.

And I'm not angry, this is how I normally am. Nobody listens unless you're at least slightly crazy anyhow.

Context is key. If it's the same character under different names (or little kids misspelling stuff...Issac, Crystal, etc.), it makes sense to lump together the findings. When it comes to lumping together every character from different series as Frankensteins' monsters and tossing in characters based on which series get more cumulative votes? That's silly and would skew the results in a way that shafts the legitimate more popular choices. There are more random Mario characters probably getting votes than anyone else, but adding them all together, you'd get the false impression "Eighth Mario Rep" was a massive request.

Wrong. If 1000 people vote for a Mario character and 700 vote for K. Rool, then 300 more people explicitly wanted a Mario character. 1000 votes across all potential Mario characters is still 1000 votes not for K. Rool. Sakurai isn't a mind-reader, he doesn't know if everybody who voted for Tails wants K. Rool. Especially if it's close, but 2nd and 3rd were from the same series.

And the DK fanbase is split between K. Rool and Dixie. You almost never see the both of them rank highly.

 

[BKupa666]

Thing is, "Mario Character" isn't a character. We play as characters, not as reps, and we vote for characters, not for reps. From a money standpoint, it's silly to exclude the most popular standalone character because that character is overridden by the votes of a dozen or so others, especially when there's no guarantee that any of the people voting for one of the dozen characters like the other eleven. Is everyone voting for a Pokemon going to swarm the eShop in droves to buy Pichu? Or all the Zelda fans for Young Link?

 

[Arcanir]

Wrong. If 1000 people vote for a Mario character and 700 vote for K. Rool, then 300 more people explicitly wanted a Mario character. 1000 votes across all potential Mario characters is still 1000 votes not for K. Rool. Sakurai isn't a mind-reader, he doesn't know if everybody who voted for Tails wants K. Rool. Especially if it's close, but 2nd and 3rd were from the same series.

And the DK fanbase is split between K. Rool and Dixie. You almost never see the both of them rank highly.

As has been said many times before, we don't play as "reps," we play as characters. When people ask for Toad, they're not asking for "generic Mario rep #8," they're asking for Toad, the little mushroom guy that has been playable in many different Mario games. Grouping their votes together with other Mario characters is doing a great disservice to them as they're not getting the character they wanted, they're getting a random character just to satisfy the misguided need for a "Mario rep." There's a reason why with franchises like Metroid, many are still pushing for Ridley and not switching over to someone like Rundas, they care for the character and want to see him playable, not to get him included just to fill a "slot."

As for your second point, I'd like to see your receipts on that.

Actually, Dark Pit wasn't as popular as we thought, he was the most requested in 1 magazine, pretty sure forums and all with more voters had different results

If you're talking about the magazine I think you're talking about (Nintendo Dream?), then it wasn't for Smash, it was just a generic popularity poll ran by the magazine each year. Said poll also tends to be guided by the most recent games as Dark Pit did well one year and then dropped off the next.

 

[StormC]

Seems to me like they'd just do a Ctrl+F search for "Rool" (or whatever the Japanese equivalent is) and lump all the results together. What with all the people writing in about how K. Rool's aliases should be costumes, Nintendo would have to be blind to repeat the mistake localization made on Brawl's trophy, if they weren't already aware due to all the people complaining about it.

I hope there aren't a lot of votes spelled K. Rule...

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Man, Eighth Mario Rep is my favorite Mario character.

Man, Brash the Bear is my favorite Mario character. Did you see how cool he was in that new Mario Kart 8 DLC trailer? Awesome.

 

[BKupa666]

I hope there aren't a lot of votes spelled K.Rule...

Or "Roll," "Rook," and "Took," if phones' autocorrects are any indication.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Man, Brash the Bear is my favorite Mario character. Did you see how cool he was in that new Mario Kart 8 DLC trailer? Awesome.

I didn't know Brash's symbol was Freddy Fazbear.

Five Nights at Brash's. This time, it isn't a misleading title and the game is actually five days. All you do is sit there. No jumpscares. Just sitting. Donkey Kong visits sometimes.

 

[LancerStaff]

Thing is, "Mario Character" isn't a character. We play as characters, not as reps, and we vote for characters, not for reps. From a money standpoint, it's silly to exclude the most popular standalone character because that character is overridden by the votes of a dozen or so others, especially when there's no guarantee that any of the people voting for one of the dozen characters like the other eleven. Is everyone voting for a Pokemon going to swarm the eShop in droves to buy Pichu? Or all the Zelda fans for Young Link?

Obviously there are exceptions, but realistically speaking people who voted for one series will want a character from that series over a completely unrelated character. When it comes to major Sonic characters (besides Shadow for both in and out of Smash reasons) people don't really care which one it is as long as they're fun. DK fans especially seem to be hooked on the idea that if K. Rool weren't possible they'd take Dixie. Metroid fans just want another character not named Adam or Galactic Federation Trooper 47529. Animal Crossing fans would take anybody decently popular, as would Kid Icarus, F-Zero, Fire Emblem, Punch-Out, and Warioware.

As has been said many times before, we don't play as "reps," we play as characters. When people ask for Toad, they're not asking for "generic Mario rep #8," they're asking for Toad, the little mushroom guy that has been playable in many different Mario games. Grouping their votes together with other Mario characters is doing a great disservice to them as they're not getting the character they wanted, they're getting a random character just to satisfy the misguided need for a "Mario rep." There's a reason why with franchises like Metroid, many are still pushing for Ridley and not switching over to someone like Rundas, they care for the character and want to see him playable, not to get him included just to fill a "slot."

As for your second point, I'd like to see your receipts on that.

If you're talking about the magazine I think you're talking about (Nintendo Dream?), then it wasn't for Smash, it was just a generic popularity poll ran by the magazine each year. Said poll also tends to be guided by the most recent games as Dark Pit did well one year and then dropped off the next.

If Toad's popular enough to be the most popular Mario character, it'd be for good reason. Never once did I say that they'd pick a random Mario character after combining the votes, they'd pick the most popular one. So rather then, say, Birdo's votes being wasted, they'd go to a greater cause by being another, more popular, Mario character.

Likewise, if DK had the most combined series votes but were spread thin between K. Rool and Dixie, wouldn't you feel like you voted for the wrong character if you voted for either? How satisfied would DK fans be if a completely unrelated character was added even though the fans of the series outnumbered all the others?

 

[Troykv]

I don't like the "vote because reps" ;w; , I vote characters because I like these characters

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Obviously there are exceptions, but realistically speaking people who voted for one series will want a character from that series over a completely unrelated character. When it comes to major Sonic characters (besides Shadow for both in and out of Smash reasons) people don't really care which one it is as long as they're fun. DK fans especially seem to be hooked on the idea that if K. Rool weren't possible they'd take Dixie. Metroid fans just want another character not named Adam or Galactic Federation Trooper 47529. Animal Crossing fans would take anybody decently popular, as would Kid Icarus, F-Zero, Fire Emblem, Punch-Out, and Warioware.

My friend voted for Kamui/Corrin for Smash. He didn't really vote for anyone else. If he can't get Kamui, he'll settle for K. Rool and Isaac.

Hell, I voted for K. Rool and I want tons of characters from different series more than anyone else from Donkey Kong unless its K. Rool (sorry Dixie fans).

People vote for characters that they like, not because it'll represent the series they like. For example, I want Samurai Goroh in Smash. I strongly dislike the idea of Black Shadow or anyone else taking his spot. I will only accept other F-Zero characters after Samurai Goroh is added.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Inb4 Goku winds up winning the Smash Ballot because weebs and crazy DBZ fanboys.

Spoiler

Only for Sakurai to laugh at their faces and say that he will never be DLC.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Inb4 Goku winds up winning the Smash Ballot because weebs and crazy DBZ fanboys.

Spoiler

Only for Sakurai to laugh at their faces and say that he will never be DLC.

Um, what bout Goku from Yuyuki.

 

[Arcanir]

If Toad's popular enough to be the most popular Mario character, it'd be for good reason. Never once did I say that they'd pick a random Mario character after combining the votes, they'd pick the most popular one. So rather then, say, Birdo's votes being wasted, they'd go to a greater cause by being another, more popular, Mario character.

Likewise, if DK had the most combined series votes but were spread thin between K. Rool and Dixie, wouldn't you feel like you voted for the wrong character if you voted for either? How satisfied would DK fans be if a completely unrelated character was added even though the fans of the series outnumbered all the others?

But what if they don't want another Mario character? That's the flaw in your reasoning, you're assuming that everyone would be just fine with having a random new Mario character when the reality is the majority are not voting that way. They all have their specific favorites and they're not going to be happy just because another character in the same series got in ahead of them. In fact, it'd be more disappointing in that case since their votes were stripped of their original meanings to help another character that they don't personally care about. If they voted for Toad, that's who they want, not Birdo, not Daisy, not anyone else, just Toad.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Um, what bout Goku from Yuyuki.

He'll probably say the same thing he said about Takamaru and Ayumi.

"Sorry fans, but that other Goku will not be a DLC character because he lacks familiarity among the Western fans. Please understand. *laughs*"

 

[MainJPW]

He'll probably say the same thing he said about Takamaru and Ayumi.

"Sorry fans, but that other Goku will not be a DLC character because he lacks familiarity among the Western fans. Please understand. *laughs*"

And the sad thing is DB Goku has more votes.

 

[Chandeelure]

People are voting for Bandana Dee, Waddle Dee, Magolor, Prince Fluff, Adeleine and Galacta Knight.
So many Kirby rep votes!

Bandana Dee confirmed.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

He'll probably say the same thing he said about Takamaru and Ayumi.

"Sorry fans, but that other Goku will not be a DLC character because he lacks familiarity among the Western fans. Please understand. *laughs*"

Who breaks this rule:
Little Mac for Japan
Marth, Roy, Lucas for America
Hell, Ness was niche and not many people knew about Earthbound in the west until SSB

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Um, what bout Goku from Yuyuki.

I was hoping he would be an Assist Trophy so Sakuari could say this.
"Pic of the day, here we have Goku from the Japanese only game, 'Yuyuki', as an Assist Trophy. A lot of people wanted him as a playable character, not sure why."

 

[StormC]

Who breaks this rule:
Little Mac for Japan
Marth, Roy, Lucas for America
Hell, Ness was niche and not many people knew about Earthbound in the west until SSB

Little Mac still has the games released in Japan, they're just not popular there. And Smash 64 was gonna be Japan-only at first.

 

[Champ Gold]

I was hoping he would be an Assist Trophy so Sakuari could say this.
"Pic of the day, here we have Goku from the Japanese only game, 'Yuyuki', as an Assist Trophy. A lot of people wanted him as a playable character, not sure why."

Oh good Lord, the salt would be glorious.

I don't even like salt water and I'll drink it because of that

 

[Kenith]

I want to throw in a ballot vote for "Goku (any Goku)"
His game would be
"Dragon Ball Z games / Yūyūki (either one)"

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Little Mac still has the games released in Japan, they're just not popular there. And Smash 64 was gonna be Japan-only at first.

True, but like no one there knew who he was.

I was hoping he would be an Assist Trophy so Sakuari could say this.
"Pic of the day, here we have Goku from the Japanese only game, 'Yuyuki', as an Assist Trophy. A lot of people wanted him as a playable character, not sure why."

I'd rather have a pic of the day reveal go this way, but as Goku being a playable character.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I'd like the next big match up to be Takamaru VS Mike Jones

 

[LancerStaff]

My friend voted for Kamui/Corrin for Smash. He didn't really vote for anyone else. If he can't get Kamui, he'll settle for K. Rool and Isaac.

Hell, I voted for K. Rool and I want tons of characters from different series more than anyone else from Donkey Kong unless its K. Rool (sorry Dixie fans).

People vote for characters that they like, not because it'll represent the series they like. For example, I want Samurai Goroh in Smash. I strongly dislike the idea of Black Shadow or anyone else taking his spot. I will only accept other F-Zero characters after Samurai Goroh is added.

I don't personally know anybody that'd be more satisfied with a completely different character instead of somebody from the same series. It's all subjective.

And I say F-Zero because most know Goro isn't going to make it because he's an AT and/or "just a simple swordsman."

But what if they don't want another Mario character? That's the flaw in your reasoning, you're assuming that everyone would be just fine with having a random new Mario character when the reality is the majority are not voting that way. They all have their specific favorites and they're not going to be happy just because another character in the same series got in ahead of them. In fact, it'd be more disappointing in that case since their votes were stripped of their original meanings to help another character that they don't personally care about. If they voted for Toad, that's who they want, not Birdo, not Daisy, not anyone else, just Toad.

Statistically speaking, people who like a less popular character from a franchise also like more popular characters in a franchise. Mario is probably the big exception, but other then that I'm seeing tons of overlap.

People are voting for Bandana Dee, Waddle Dee, Magolor, Prince Fluff, Adeleine and Galacta Knight.
So many Kirby rep votes!

Bandana Dee confirmed.

Never have I met a person who wanted a generic Waddle Dee over Bandana Dee.

And isn't just about every Kirby fan voting for Bandana Dee anyway because he's more popular, and thus the only one with a shot and basically doing the series combining thing anyway?

 

[Alph Aran]

Who breaks this rule:
Little Mac for Japan
Marth, Roy, Lucas for America
Hell, Ness was niche and not many people knew about Earthbound in the west until SSB

The Japan-only characters usually get away with it since Nintendo is primarily Japanese. The only way to justify Little Mac is because of how his appearance would make the game look.