Character Discussion Thread

[N3ON]

I think we should ignore the hypocrite who says "THIS CHARACTER WOULD BE BLAND BECAUSE I SAID SO!" and then says "Wario being small and heavy is his gimmick"
Because weight is only a gimmick for playable characters amiright?

I was done the moment he said Simon was tantamount to Chrom when it came to moveset potential.

 

[FalKoopa]

That's the only selling factor I'm willing to fall for when it comes to him. Would have to wait on his moveset just to make sure.

and 's faces and the tagline always kill me. Why Internet Why.

 

[Morbi]

Back to the 'characters need gimmicks' argument. are the newcomers. Bowser Jr's gimmick is the Koopa Clown Car. It makes damage work differently, remove that, unique fighter without gimmick. DHD's gimmick is being campy, which is a reference to the Zapper. Greninja has no gimmick. Little Mac's gimmick is being great on the ground but **** in the air. Actually reflects boxing. Mega Man has no gimmick, but was given a moveset which you can tell it's a tribute to the games. Mii's gimmicks are customizable. Palutena has different moves as customs, not really a gimmick. Pac-Man has no gimmick. Robin's gimmick is weapon durability, the spells are fitting for Robin's class and work as attacks. Rosalina's gimmick is Luma. Ryu's gimmick is command inputs and different attacks based on button presses. Shulk's gimmick is the Monado Arts, something hedoesn't really need. Villager has no gimmick. WFT slighty heals during some attacks as a gimmick.

Mega Mans "gimmick" is that he does not have a unique neutral air or forward tilt. Those are his jab, just implemented in a cohesive way so that you can move while fire his pellets, as you stated, in reference to his game. He also as the projectile forward Smash, down-air and up-air. So when you really think about it, his gimmick is being a projectile character. That is hardly new in the Smash series, but it is a gimmick nevertheless.

Edit- Ha ha, I should have skimmed through the rest of the page. This was already addressed. Let me think of something original!

But Wolf isn't a clone.

The only thing that's "cloned" is his Final Smash (and if that's your reasoning, then Zelda and Sheik are clones).

All of his other moves have unique animations and properties.

I tried to find a reliable source, but I believe that even his Final Smash has unique properties. If I recall correctly, his lasts less time, but it is adept at both lasers and hovering.

http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl/Wolf

 

[Alph Aran]

I tried to find a reliable source, but I believe that even his Final Smash has unique properties. If I recall correctly, his lasts less time, but it is adept at both lasers and hovering.

The same thing can be said about all "clone" characters, semi or not, having different properties. Even so, a modified Final Smash shouldn't even be considered a factor to labeling a character as a "clone". Anyone still saying Wolf is a "clone" is just being a goof. He got treated better than Ganondorf if I dare say so.

 

[Pakky]

So... as for other fighting game communities that use the term "semi-clone"


http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Clone

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Clone conversations always bother me because they assume the word "clone" only applies to one type, when really it's a term with multiple categories.

People say Lucas and Wolf aren't clones, but they ARE quasi-clones. Both are still in the overall category of "characters that are based on a pre-existing character's moveset," but that's a mouthful. Can't we just use the word "clone" as a shorthand term to describe the clones of all categories?

And here are the categories for reference, as they apply to every installment of Smash, in order of least different to most:

Tiny Differences Clones (new category introduced in Smash 4)

These fighters have very little different compared their bases. It might be slightly changed specials or slightly changed normals, but never a huge amount of both at the same time. They even have incredibly similar speed and weight.

(base: )
(base: )

Regular Clones

The ones we're most familiar with. They provide several subtle-but-important differences on both normals and specials. Their animations stay similar to their base but their attacks are otherwise very different from them in properties. Their speed and weight may differ pretty heavily. They stopped appearing after Melee.

Super Smash Bros.:

(base: )

Super Smash Bros. Melee:

(base: ) (leans towards TDC in Melee but is overall in this category)
(base: )
(base: , bewilderingly)
(base: )
(base: )
(base: )

Half-Clones

While they do share plenty of several subtle-but-important differences with their bases, these characters also have plenty of completely unique attack animations, and thus different hitboxes. Some of them even have a completely different special move that isn't a mere change in the base attack's properties. Essentially a regular clone but differentiated further a little. Currently the most common kind of clone.

Super Smash Bros. Melee:

(base: )

Super Smash Bros. Brawl:

(base: )
(base: , sadly)
(base: )

Super Smash Bros. 4:

(base: )
(base: )
(base: , if it's 3 times in a row then it's time to stop hoping for complete differences. Oh well *sad violin*)
(base: )
(base: )

Quasi-Clones

These fighters share a vast amount of differences from their bases, much more than even half-clones. The reason they're still clones is that, despite their differences, they can still be identified as being built with a certain character as a base for moveset concepts, especially their special attacks which are very-but-not-totally different. They usually share almost no normal attacks in common otherwise. All 3 of these are most likely to be insisted that they are in actuality a non-clone:

Super Smash Bros. Brawl:

(base: , only shares 2 specials but plenty of normal attacks as well, unlike the following characters, putting him here)
(base: )
(base: )

Super Smash Bros. 4:

(base: , Brawl explanation still stands)
(base: )

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So there you have it, 4 whole categories. As you can see, the word "clone" suggests a multitude of qualifiers depending on which category you want to place them in. So when I say both Dr. Mario and Lucas are clones, I do not mean both are regular or half-clones, just that they both fit into the family of "clone" fighters in the Smash roster but in different categories.

Furthermore, there is no need to be defensive or accusatory when I say Luigi, Wolf, or Lucas are clones. I mean no harm by that, I merely state what they are.

It really isn't that hard to grasp if you just play these characters.

 

[Morbi]

The same thing can be said about all "clone" characters, semi or not, having different properties. Even so, a modified Final Smash shouldn't even be considered a factor to labeling a character as a "clone". Anyone still saying Wolf is a "clone" is just being a goof. He got treated better than Ganondorf if I dare say so.

That has been my point for a very long time. If you have to put the word "clone" in quotation marks, the character is not a clone. The properties of a move are just as, if not more, important than the animation. Fox v Falco from Melee is a PERFECT analogy. They shared the same animations, but their moves were nothing alike and therefore their play-styles were entirely different. However, Brawl changed some of Falco's animations (and, to be fair, properties) of moves and most everyone believed that he was luigified. Honestly, it is just a matter of perception. If similarities are apparent, people will perceive those similarities more often than not.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait. Apparently there were Geno soldiers in MGS. Welp, time for fans of dead puppets to weep

 

[Schnee117]

Wait. Apparently there were Geno soldiers in MGS. Welp, time for fans of dead puppets to weep

They were actually Genome Soldiers.
Or Next-Generation Special Forces depending on your preference.

 

[LancerStaff]

Sakurai said he WANTED an XY pokemon! He also said he CHOSE Greninja, as GF only suggests pokemon.
MARIO'S GIMMICK IS PUNCHING PEOPLE BECAUSE REASONS
I only argued about Palutena, and Mewtwo totally wasn't in Melee. They don't share moves OR playstyles. At all. Case and point, everyone who plays a good Mewtwo would be good with Palutena
Yes because 2 moves equals gimmick. Do some research kid

Game Freak came to Sakurai, telling him to include a gen 6 mon, not the other way around. Try looking at the interview where Sakurai talks about him.
Mario's gimmick is balance.
Palutena and Mewtwo don't share playstyles but people who play one would be good as the other? Huh?
Three, and yes. Try again. How aren't Pac's traps a gimmick?

Because this time a fighter ballot is involved..

They may not be 100% accurate, but you can't simply dismiss them. The polls aren't just from SmashBoards, people have polled Reddit, Tumblr and (maybe) 4Chan as well, and taken together these do comprise almost all the online Smash Bros. fanbase, and the ones that actually cares about the ballot.

The ballot is the difference. It's the only time in Smash history where is roster isn't subjected to Sakurai's whims. Before the ballot, we were predicting and hoping that we were right. Now, however, we've been given an opportunity to actually choose who gets in.

In any case, I'm done arguing. Good day to you.

Sakurai actually has a pretty good idea of what the Smash fanbase as a whole wants. Characters like Marth and Ness became popular because of their moveset in Smash, remember? If we get one decently popular character with more moveset potential then K. Rool then Sakurai is going to go with them.

Who said Sakurai has any say in this, you ask? Who said he didn't? Who said there'll even be a proper winner? Last I checked, Sakurai called the votes mere suggestions in the Roy and Ryu interview.

But Wolf isn't a clone.

The only thing that's "cloned" is his Final Smash (and if that's your reasoning, then Zelda and Sheik are clones).

All of his other moves have unique animations and properties.

Clone: Similar in appearance, style, flavor, ect. In video games, it applies to characters made off of others. Wolf still has Fox's animations in his data...

The only reason people use semi-clone in the Smash fanbase is as a defense mechanism in attempt to push off some of the hate TL, Lucas, and Wolf got when Brawl released.

Support from Sonic fanbase is split between three or four characters: Tails, Knuckles, Eggman and maybe Shadow(he's an assist). Even if they outnumber King K. Rool all together, Sakurai needs a single name. And I've never seen a poll anywhere on the internet where a single Sonic character outnumbered K. Rool, or even Isaac and Bandana Dee. Don't even get me started on Pokemon, there are more than 600 characters without already a role in the game, and everybody is pushing for their personal favourite. How can you expect a single Pokemon winning the ballot?

And yes, he does have to add K. Rool if he takes first place(or even second and third if there are going to be multiple characters from ballot). Otherwise the whole concept of a characters ballot and even his own words from a few week ago "it's all going to be fanservice" are going to be complete bull****.

Because all the people who want Eggman would rather have K. Rool instead of Tails, right? No, Sakurai would pick from the most popular series. You're asked which series the character is from, remember?

Because second or third totally wouldn't be a fanservice...

So... as for other fighting game communities that use the term "semi-clone"


http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Clone

And the article puts semi-clones under the clones article, implying that calling them clones isn't as insane as the Smash fanbase would lead you to believe.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

They were actually Genome Soldiers.
Or Next-Generation Special Forces depending on your preference.

DAMN YOU EARS FOR NOT HEARING CADDY'S BEAUTIFUL VOICE WELL ENOUGH! Time to make like Takamaru and commit sudoku

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Because all the people who want Eggman would rather have K. Rool instead of Tails, right? No, Sakurai would pick from the most popular series. You're asked which series the character is from, remember?

Because second or third totally wouldn't be a fanservice...

But the ballot specifically asks you to tell your character suggestion. Not series suggestion.

 

[Morbi]

Clone conversations always bother me because they assume the word "clone" only applies to one type, when really it's a term with multiple categories.

People say Lucas and Wolf aren't clones, but they ARE quasi-clones. Both are still in the overall category of "characters that are based on a pre-existing character's moveset," but that's a mouthful. Can't we just use the word "clone" as a shorthand term to describe the clones of all categories?

And here are the categories for reference, as they apply to every installment of Smash, in order of least different to most:

Tiny Differences Clones (new category introduced in Smash 4)

These fighters have very little different compared their bases. It might be slightly changed specials or slightly changed normals, but never a huge amount of both at the same time. They even have incredibly similar speed and weight.

(base: )
(base: )

Regular Clones

The ones we're most familiar with. They provide several subtle-but-important differences on both normals and specials. Their animations stay similar to their bass but their attacks are otherwise very different from them in properties. Their speed and weight may differ pretty heavily. They stopped appearing after Melee.

Super Smash Bros.:

(base: )

Super Smash Bros. Melee:

(base: ) (leans towards TDC in Melee but is overall in this category)
(base: )
(base: , bewilderingly)
(base: )
(base: )
(base: )

Half-Clones

While they do share plenty of several subtle-but-important differences with their bases, these characters also have plenty of completely unique attack animations, and thus different hitboxes. Some of them even have a completely different special move that isn't a mere change in the base attack's properties. Essentially a regular clone but differentiated further a little. Currently the most common kind of clone.

Super Smash Bros. Melee:

(base: )

Super Smash Bros. Brawl:

(base: )
(base: , sadly)
(base: )

Super Smash Bros. 4:

(base: )
(base: )
(base: , if it's 3 times in a row then it's time to stop hoping for complete differences. Oh well *sad violin*)
(base: )
(base: )

Quasi-Clones

These fighters share a vast amount of differences from their bases, much more than even half-clones. The reason they're still clones is that, despite their differences, they can still be identified as being built with a certain character as a base for moveset concepts, especially their special attacks which are very-but-not-totally different. They usually share almost no normal attacks in common otherwise. All 3 of these are most likely to be insisted that they are in actuality a non-clone:

Super Smash Bros. Brawl:

(base: , only shares 2 specials but plenty of normal attacks as well, unlike the following characters, putting him here)
(base: )
(base: )

Super Smash Bros. 4:

(base: , Brawl explanation still stands)
(base: )

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So there you have it, 4 whole categories. As you can see, the word "clone" suggests a multitude of qualifiers depending on which category you want to place them in. So when I say both Dr. Mario and Lucas are clones, I do not mean both are regular or half-clones, just that they both fit into the family of "clone" fighters in the Smash roster but in different categories.

Furthermore, there is no need to be defensive or accusatory when I say Luigi, Wolf, or Lucas are clones. I mean no harm by that, I merely state what they are.

It really isn't that hard to grasp if you just play these characters.

Honestly, categorizing ANYTHING is utterly fallacious unless you have a category to represent every single item. Otherwise, you are subject to admit a faulty generalization. For instance, Ganondorf and Captain Falcon do not share a jab. So he is not a "clone." However, you are correct with the rest of the vague and arbitrary qualifiers. That being said, he is not a "semi-clone" either as that would imply that half of his animations would be the same. I am not sure if any character shares literally half of their move-set. So you need a group that indicates clones that share a portion of moves, but not all moves, or half moves. Hence, your "quasi-clone" category.

See the problem? It becomes utterly convoluted and it is not universally agreed upon. To avoid confusion, I use the term "pseudo-clone" as that definition can literally apply to any and all characters perceived to be a clone unless they are actually a clone. In which case, I will call them a clone. That is also why I become defensive when characters such as Luigi, Wolf, or Lucas are asserted to be clones. It is not fact, it is opinion. Here, we debate opinions.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

But the ballot specifically asks you to tell your character suggestion. Not series suggestion.

sh...Don't feed the troll, just look away and Ignore it.
Calling it right now, if the ballot asked what franchise should have a better amount of representation, DK would score at least 60% of the votes

 

[LancerStaff]

But the ballot specifically asks you to tell your character suggestion. Not series suggestion.

So Sonic fans would rather have another DK character?

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

So Sonic fans would rather have another DK character?

I would.

 

[Schnee117]

sh...Don't feed the troll, just look away and Ignore it.
Calling it right now, if the ballot asked what franchise should have a better amount of representation, DK would score at least 60% of the votes

It's between that and Metroid.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Game Freak came to Sakurai, telling him to include a gen 6 mon, not the other way around. Try looking at the interview where Sakurai talks about him.
.

Incorrect.

Game Freak actually said they didn't tell Sakurai what to do.

HE wanted one.

http://www.gamnesia.com/news/game-f...-pokemon-make-it-into-smash-bros#.VaF6iPlVhBc

Stop spouting nonsense.

 

[Morbi]

It's between that and Metroid.

So Metroid would acquire the other 40%?

I am not sure about that though, people would probably just vote for the series that they wanted more characters from.

 

[StormC]

It's a good thing this guy isn't in charge of an actual video game, let alone Smash Bros.

 

[FalKoopa]

Sakurai actually has a pretty good idea of what the Smash fanbase as a whole wants. Characters like Marth and Ness became popular because of their moveset in Smash, remember? If we get one decently popular character with more moveset potential then K. Rool then Sakurai is going to go with them.

I agree about Marth and Ness, buuut I really don't see the relation with K. Rool. If you don't like him or find him bland, it's fine, really. You are free to think that. The thing which grates people here is that you're assuming Sakurai will find him bland too, which is something we simply don't know

Who said Sakurai has any say in this, you ask? Who said he didn't? Who said there'll even be a proper winner? Last I checked, Sakurai called the votes mere suggestions in the Roy and Ryu interview.

Sakurai has the final word. Yes, that's true. But ignoring the ballot is not a good idea for PR or for making money, you know. Sakurai won't stand to lose anything from adding a popular character.

And really, the ballot is a big deal. Consider this - the ballot has separate sites for UK, USA and Australia (although a single one would have sufficed, especially as UK and Australia both use PAL), and a translated page for all major European countries, even for the very new ones like Russia. If the Ballot wasn't that important, why go through all that trouble?

 

[DJ3DS]

The people who frequent these sorts of dedicated forums have 1000 different words like clone, semi-clone, luigification and so on to describe in varying degrees how similar one character is to another.

Ultimately this doesnt matter. You're all pretty much arguing semantics. To the majority of players (who don't visit sites like these) their reaction upon unlocking Wolf in Brawl and seeing his specials was "Great, a third Fox".

 

[Aetheri]

So Sonic fans would rather have another DK character?

Are you that daft?

 

[Morbi]

Incorrect.

Game Freak actually said they didn't tell Sakurai what to do.

HE wanted one.

http://www.gamnesia.com/news/game-f...-pokemon-make-it-into-smash-bros#.VaF6iPlVhBc

Stop spouting nonsense.

At the same time though, I could be incorrect; however, was there not some sort of article (it could have just been speculation conspiracy) that indicates that Sakurai has to negotiate with Game Freak? This article insinuates that they just leave Sakurai to his devices.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

At the same time though, I could be incorrect; however, was there not some sort of article (it could have just been speculation conspiracy) that indicates that Sakurai has to negotiate with Game Freak? This article insinuates that they just leave Sakurai to his devices.

Sakurai likes going to the companies themselves, it's how Roy and I believe Ike became playable aswell, as IS suggested them

 

[Swamp Sensei]

At the same time though, I could be incorrect; however, was there not some sort of article (it could have just been speculation conspiracy) that indicates that Sakurai has to negotiate with Game Freak? This article insinuates that they just leave Sakurai to his devices.

He negotiates to get the rights to use the Pokemon.

But he doesn't let them pick.

Does that make sense?

 

[Morbi]

The people who frequent these sorts of dedicated forums have 1000 different words like clone, semi-clone, luigification and so on to describe in varying degrees how similar one character is to another.

Ultimately this doesnt matter. You're all pretty much arguing semantics. To the majority of players (who don't visit sites like these) their reaction upon unlocking Wolf in Brawl and seeing his specials was "Great, a third Fox".

Precisely, that is what MOST players believe. That is why, here, where we have a higher-understanding of the game and character selection as a whole, we should not misconstrue information. The majority of players also believe that Ike replaced Roy or that Lucario replaced Mewtwo. It does not make them correct.

 

[Troykv]

Clone conversations always bother me because they assume the word "clone" only applies to one type, when really it's a term with multiple categories.

People say Lucas and Wolf aren't clones, but they ARE quasi-clones. Both are still in the overall category of "characters that are based on a pre-existing character's moveset," but that's a mouthful. Can't we just use the word "clone" as a shorthand term to describe the clones of all categories?

And here are the categories for reference, as they apply to every installment of Smash, in order of least different to most:

Tiny Differences Clones (new category introduced in Smash 4)

These fighters have very little different compared their bases. It might be slightly changed specials or slightly changed normals, but never a huge amount of both at the same time. They even have incredibly similar speed and weight.

(base: )
(base: )

Regular Clones

The ones we're most familiar with. They provide several subtle-but-important differences on both normals and specials. Their animations stay similar to their bass but their attacks are otherwise very different from them in properties. Their speed and weight may differ pretty heavily. They stopped appearing after Melee.

Super Smash Bros.:

(base: )

Super Smash Bros. Melee:

(base: ) (leans towards TDC in Melee but is overall in this category)
(base: )
(base: , bewilderingly)
(base: )
(base: )
(base: )

Half-Clones

While they do share plenty of several subtle-but-important differences with their bases, these characters also have plenty of completely unique attack animations, and thus different hitboxes. Some of them even have a completely different special move that isn't a mere change in the base attack's properties. Essentially a regular clone but differentiated further a little. Currently the most common kind of clone.

Super Smash Bros. Melee:

(base: )

Super Smash Bros. Brawl:

(base: )
(base: , sadly)
(base: )

Super Smash Bros. 4:

(base: )
(base: )
(base: , if it's 3 times in a row then it's time to stop hoping for complete differences. Oh well *sad violin*)
(base: )
(base: )

Quasi-Clones

These fighters share a vast amount of differences from their bases, much more than even half-clones. The reason they're still clones is that, despite their differences, they can still be identified as being built with a certain character as a base for moveset concepts, especially their special attacks which are very-but-not-totally different. They usually share almost no normal attacks in common otherwise. All 3 of these are most likely to be insisted that they are in actuality a non-clone:

Super Smash Bros. Brawl:

(base: , only shares 2 specials but plenty of normal attacks as well, unlike the following characters, putting him here)
(base: )
(base: )

Super Smash Bros. 4:

(base: , Brawl explanation still stands)
(base: )

----------

So there you have it, 4 whole categories. As you can see, the word "clone" suggests a multitude of qualifiers depending on which category you want to place them in. So when I say both Dr. Mario and Lucas are clones, I do not mean both are regular or half-clones, just that they both fit into the family of "clone" fighters in the Smash roster but in different categories.

Furthermore, there is no need to be defensive or accusatory when I say Luigi, Wolf, or Lucas are clones. I mean no harm by that, I merely state what they are.

It really isn't that hard to grasp if you just play these characters.

I like these clones type description.

GJ

 

[MainJPW]

So Sonic fans would rather have another DK character?

Hell yeah I would.

 

[LancerStaff]

I would.

All of them? I don't think so.

It's between that and Metroid.

And more popular series like AC, Sonic, Pokemon, Mario, Zelda...

Incorrect.

Game Freak actually said they didn't tell Sakurai what to do.

HE wanted one.

http://www.gamnesia.com/news/game-f...-pokemon-make-it-into-smash-bros#.VaF6iPlVhBc

Stop spouting nonsense.

Wrong interview. Doesn't say anything about GF wanting to include a gen 6 mon, just says that they typically go with what Sakurai wants. The title was made up by the writer.

I agree about Marth and Ness, buuut I really don't see the relation with K. Rool. If you don't like him or find him bland, it's fine, really. You are free to think that. The thing which grates people here is that you're assuming Sakurai will find him bland too, which is something we simply don't know


Sakurai has the final word. Yes, that's true. But ignoring the ballot is not a good idea for PR or for making money, you know. Sakurai won't stand to lose anything from adding a popular character.

And really, the ballot is a big deal. Consider this - the ballot has separate sites for UK, USA and Australia (although a single one would have sufficed, especially as UK and Australia are both use PAL), and a translated page for all major European countries, even for the very new ones like Russia. If the Ballot wasn't that important, why go through all that trouble?

How many years has Sakurai ignored K. Rool? Since Melee, arguably. He's never been anything but a trophy. You often see characters Sakurai considers like Villager and Mac as stages and ATs before they're characters, or at least specifically calls them out like Ryu before adding them.

Didn't say it wasn't important, but they don't even bother to limit votes outside of Japan. If they really wanted people to vote, they'd at the very least put it in the still completely unused information ticker on the top of the main menu of SSBU or a notification. But they haven't.

Sakurai can just go "X is the ballot winner and will be available on YZ!" and not post the results whatsoever. Nothing's stopping him, and most wouldn't question him if he did. If anything, posting the results would make people more upset that their beloved little whocares didn't get any votes. Sakurai probably won't for the same reason GSP ranks from the bottom up and how for Glory rankings aren't visible.

Are you that daft?

Answer the question.

Hell yeah I would.

Again, does every Sonic fan? Does Sakurai have any way of knowing this? Especially in Japan where you only get one vote.

 

[DJ3DS]

Precisely, that is what MOST players believe. That is why, here, where we have a higher-understanding of the game and character selection as a whole, we should not misconstrue information. The majority of players also believe that Ike replaced Roy or that Lucario replaced Mewtwo. It does not make them correct.

Honestly this reads as elitist and slightly obnoxious to me. The fact some people have come up with several different terms to obfuscate the matter of similarity doesn't to me imply they necessarily know better.

At the end of the day, I think you guys are being a bit harsh on some of the posters in this thread. If we all got off our high horse we'd realise a lot of the stuff LancerStaff is saying are perfectly valid points and apart from his seeming dislike of every character popular here, doesn't come across as a troll.

Like the idea that if a series overall gets more votes even though no individual character scores highly, it could get a DLC character. That's absolutely reasonable and he's made the argument fine from what I've read. People have jumped up in arms about it but those same people are the ones who will say "Sakurai may just decide to put in Dixie over K Rool as an easier choice despite Rool being more popular". This is literally exactly the same thing; Sakurai choosing to represent a popular series rather than a specific ballot newcomer. Abandon one or the other argument, you can't have it both ways.

And this is coming from someone who desperately cannot understand the majority of his personal dislikes and several of his opinions, especially K Rool.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wrong interview. Doesn't say anything about GF wanting to include a gen 6 mon, just says that they typically go with what Sakurai wants. The title was made up by the writer.

http://www.nintendo-insider.com/201...-how-pokemon-are-chosen-for-super-smash-bros/

This one?

He says he goes to them for RESEARCH.

Nothing more.

 

[Pakky]

Relative I guess

 

[Aetheri]

Answer the question.

No.

 

[Morbi]

Honestly this reads as elitist and slightly obnoxious to me. The fact some people have come up with several different terms to obfuscate the matter of similarity doesn't to me imply they necessarily know better.

At the end of the day, I think you guys are being a bit harsh on some of the posters in this thread. If we all got off our high horse we'd realise a lot of the stuff LancerStaff is saying are perfectly valid points and apart from his seeming dislike of every character popular here, doesn't come across as a troll.

Like the idea that if a series overall gets more votes even though no individual character scores highly. That's absolutely reasonable and he's made the argument fine from what I've read. People have jumped up in arms about it but those same people are the ones who will say "Sakurai may just decide to put in Dixie over K Rool as an easier choice despite Rool being more popular". This is literally exactly the same thing; Sakurai choosing to represent a popular series rather than a specific ballot newcomer. Abandon one or the other argument, you can't have it both ways.

And this is coming from someone who desperately cannot understand the majority of his personal dislikes and several of his opinions, especially K Rool.

That is fine, but when it comes down to it misinformation is misinformation. There is nothing inherently wrong with it, but I personally take offense when people represent that information as fact. If that makes me elitist, cool.

I have no problem with LancerStaff, I did not state anything in regard to his post. I even implied that I thought that perhaps their was a grain of truth to his assertions.

I use neither of those arguments.

 

[FalKoopa]

How many years has Sakurai ignored K. Rool? Since Melee, arguably. He's never been anything but a trophy. You often see characters Sakurai considers like Villager and Mac as stages and ATs before they're characters, or at least specifically calls them out like Ryu before adding them.

This is not an ironclad rule. Diddy didn't have anything in Melee, yet he was playable in Brawl.

Didn't say it wasn't important, but they don't even bother to limit votes outside of Japan. If they really wanted people to vote, they'd at the very least put it in the still completely unused information ticker on the top of the main menu of SSBU or a notification. But they haven't.

They haven't limted te votes in Japan either, sorry. Do your research.

Sakurai can just go "X is the ballot winner and will be available on YZ!" and not post the results whatsoever. Nothing's stopping him, and most wouldn't question him if he did. If anything, posting the results would make people more upset that their beloved little whocares didn't get any votes. Sakurai probably won't for the same reason GSP ranks from the bottom up and how for Glory rankings aren't visible.

Just because he can doesn't mean he will. Stop that, seriously. That seems to the entire base of your reasoning.

 

[Schnee117]

And more popular series like AC, Sonic, Pokemon, Mario, Zelda...

Except no one is whining about wanting more Mario characters in SSB4.
No one is whining about the lack of Sonic characters.
No one has complained that Animal Crossing is "under represented"
We have People saying Pokemon has "enough reps"
I don't see people constantly saying Zelda must absolutely have more than 5 characters on the roster.

Yet Donkey Kong and Metroid have loads of people complaining about how there aren't enough characters on the roster for them.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to watching that Batman vs Superman trailer again.

 

[Morbi]

Except no one is whining about wanting more Mario characters in SSB4.
No one is whining about the lack of Sonic characters.
No one has complained that Animal Crossing is "under represented"
We have People saying Pokemon has "enough reps"
I don't see people constantly saying Zelda must absolutely have more than 5 characters on the roster.

Yet Donkey Kong and Metroid have loads of people complaining about how there aren't enough characters on the roster for them.

I complain about Animal Crossing being "under-represented." I also believe that Legend of Zelda must absolutely have more than five characters on the roster; albeit, I do not say that constantly.

 

[N3ON]

http://www.nintendo-insider.com/201...-how-pokemon-are-chosen-for-super-smash-bros/

This one?

He says he goes to them for RESEARCH.

Nothing more.

This sounds very much to me like PR speak for they choose ones that will be used heavily in promotion. Not to say it isn't a joint decision between the Pokemon Company and Sakurai's opinions on who and what will work best in Smash, but to say promotion doesn't play a role seems to be a bit of a misconception. It's no coincidence the "hot" Pokemon, the ones used in movies and heavily on the show (which is stated to be of notable importance in that article) are also typically the ones marketed the most.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

LancerStaff still hasn't given up?