Character Discussion Thread

[Schnee117]

"Swears in every comment even though it can't be seen and doesn't understand why she's called immature"~TehEpicRyuga 2015

That's too bad because clones are going to happen. Get real.

I did counter, look up.

"From the anime, Black Shadow has numerous powers that would allow both he AND Ganondorf to not be semi-clones of Captain Falcon, namely the ability to fly, teleport, telepathic powers (mind control, memory wipes, and nerve attacks), black magic rituals and shadow manipulation on top of physical strength and durability. In the games, he is not without power as well, and is one of the few to actually show supernatural ability within the games themselves (not even Captain Falcon does), by creating dark clones of characters out of thin air and creating energy chains to bind people, as well as a few telekinetic abilities."

Black Shadow support thread which @GoldenYuiitusin made.

So who's up for a Roided Batman with Telekinetic abilities?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

For the love of all that is good and holy, would you two please cut it out? Open a PM or something, it's honestly incredibly degrading to have to come into one of my favourite threads and see it reduced to a hair-pulling contest.

I'm going to report this if it carries on. It's just ridiculous at this stage.

Siiiigh.

Carry on~ :3

Oh don't worry, this time I'm not unblocking him, and I apologize for making people have to witness that (****ing heatwave pisses me off today). Any characters that people want to talk about?

 

[Pakky]

Fun fact! In the Netherlands, it's stupidly rare to find people who don't swear, children included! No stop talking to me unless you can provide LOGIC in your arguments

So you don't have etiquette? I responded to your argument look on the page.

For the love of all that is good and holy, would you two please cut it out? Open a PM or something, it's honestly incredibly degrading to have to come into one of my favourite threads and see it reduced to a hair-pulling contest.

I'm going to report this if it carries on. It's just ridiculous at this stage.

Siiiigh.

Carry on~ :3

She's the one being a overationary child but, when you're 17, that happens so its not her fault.

 

[Schnee117]

I responded to your argument look on the page.

To be fair that was in an edit which she didn't see.
Now let's drop it.

Oh don't worry, this time I'm not unblocking him, and I apologize for making people have to witness that (****ing heatwave pisses me off today). Any characters that people want to talk about?

How about a look at some Xenoblade characters like Melia, Seven, Egil and Dunban (if he weren't a part of Shulk's chain attack)?
Can't have a rainbow without Reyn baby either.

 

[Pakky]

To be fair that was in an edit which she didn't see.
Now let's drop it.

Well she can easily look up when I tell her I responded, but you know.

Thank you for that black Shadow info, didn't know that. See that's providing evidence not rambling off like a jerk saying "nuh uh it could happen because I'm creative" or whatever.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

If Bowser Jr. would have been cut from Smash, do you think he would have got in as a DLC character? Personally I prefer the air think he would, because limited time was the only reason why he was nearly cut.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

To be fair that was in an edit which she didn't see.
Now let's drop it.



How about a look at some Xenoblade characters?

Honestly, every Xenoblade character has enough potential, and then we have X, I don't know what these characters do differently because 'muh spoilers' but I'm certain they are different

Also, this is fun, I'm apparently Lady Falcon
http://www.dorkly.com/post/74603/the-greek-zodiac-as-your-favorite-nintendo-characters

 

[Schnee117]

Honestly, every Xenoblade character has enough potential, and then we have X, I don't know what these characters do differently because 'muh spoilers' but I'm certain they are different

Also, this is fun, I'm apparently Lady Falcon
http://www.dorkly.com/post/74603/the-greek-zodiac-as-your-favorite-nintendo-characters

X Characters can use their Dolls for the Final Smash and switch between Ranged and Melee combat.

I'm Link. Appropriate description (minus patience).

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Also, this is fun, I'm apparently Lady Falcon
http://www.dorkly.com/post/74603/the-greek-zodiac-as-your-favorite-nintendo-characters

I'm Ice Climbers. I got cut.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

X Characters can use their Dolls for the Final Smash and switch between Ranged and Melee combat.

I'm Link. Appropriate description (minus patience).

If we were to get a character from X, I'd choose Elma personally

 

[Schnee117]

If we were to get a character from X, I'd choose Elma personally

Spoiler

From what I've heard she's the main character of the game and is closely related to the plot. You're just an avatar that goes with her.

 

[Pakky]

I'm captain Falcon, that's ironic.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Here's a topic, do you think there was another character planned who was going to have Bowser Jr. like alts in the game, but got cut.

 

[Champ Gold]

Honestly, every Xenoblade character has enough potential, and then we have X, I don't know what these characters do differently because 'muh spoilers' but I'm certain they are different

Also, this is fun, I'm apparently Lady Falcon
http://www.dorkly.com/post/74603/the-greek-zodiac-as-your-favorite-nintendo-characters

I'm Falcon as well

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Here's a topic, do you think there was another character planned who was going to have Bowser Jr. like alts in the game, but got cut.

The only person I could think of having Alts like that is

 

[Kenith]

Here's a topic, do you think there was another character planned who was going to have Bowser Jr. like alts in the game, but got cut.

Wait...what are you asking? Are you asking if there's a character who had different characters for each costume?

 

[StormC]

If Bowser Jr. would have been cut from Smash, do you think he would have got in as a DLC character? Personally I prefer the air think he would, because limited time was the only reason why he was nearly cut.

Definitely. No reason he wouldn't be.

 

[Deleted member]

It sounds like Blue is asking if there was a character who was meant to have a set of alts instead of palettes that didn't make the cut, not cut alts for pre-existing characters.

I highly doubt it.
Jr. seems to be a special case considering the Koopalings existed and the concept of swapping out the pilot of the Clown Car between him and the Koopalings is a very simple one in theory.

 

[Kenith]

I can't think of any other character that has other characters instead of palettes. At least not all 8 of them.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

In my opinion, i think that both Pokemon and Fire Emblem will always get newcomers every Smash game. Why? Because they have an ever-changing cast of characters, and a lot of potential for unique play (even though it isn't the case with Fire Emblem as is in Smash, with the three Marths).

 

[Wintropy]

I'm convinced Fire Emblem in Smash will one day succumb to the inevitable physical process of Annatropy.

To wit: as Fire Emblem's cast continues to rotate as the series progresses, Anna's role continues to expand, until the only recurring feature in the series is Anna, thus critical mass of Anna ensures she remains the most viable candidate for Smash.

This is science.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Xenoblade could have changing protagonists in Smash too, based on the transition from Shulk to Cross in Xenoblade X. Monolift Soft does seem like they want to create original stories in each game they make. You go from two colossal Titans to an alien invasion on a new planet.

 

[Kenith]

I'd think (and hope) Shulk becomes the Marth of Xenoblade.

 

[Champ Gold]

I'd think (and hope) Shulk becomes the Marth of Xenoblade.

Nope the Ness of Xenoblade he'll be on the chopping block for two straight games for another Xenoblade protagonist and won't ever get cut and will only have two reps.


Or be the Captain Falcon of Xenoblade

 

[Chandeelure]

Who are the 5 most likely newcomers in your opinion? and why?

1. K. Rool: He is the most requested newcomer, and unlike other characters, he is first party and important to his franchise.
Has a lot of moveset potential.

2. Bandana Dee: Important to his franchise and popular in both continents. He would add something new to the game thanks to his spear, his model would be easy to make and his moveset is obvious.
Also, IMO, the lack of Bandana Dee or normal Waddle Dee trophies, is suspicious because characters like Magolor and the Lor Starcutter have trophies and normal Waddle Dees appear in Smash Run, Dedede's entrance animation and victory animation.
I would also like to know what do you think about the lack of trophy.

3. Paper Mario: Popular in both continents, but has competition and many people think he is just another unecessary Mario, however, we know that Sakurai doesn't care so much about "reps" or other versions of existent characters.

4. Isaac: Really popular, but personally I think the fact that he is a removed AT and is not a pre-ballot character means that Sakurai thinks Isaac and his franchise are irrelevant. I remember that in an interview Sakurai said that characters of dead franchises or without a good future are low priority. That also can be the reason why he doesn't have a trophy.
Also, the Golden Sun music sounds in random stages, like the Rhythm Heaven music, I personally think that's something negative for both Isaac and RH characters.

5. Dixie Kong: One of the most iconic Nintendo characters who is not in the game, but lacks popularity in the ballot and K.Rool is serious competition.

 

[Wintropy]

Who are the 5 most likely newcomers in your opinion? and why?

1. Wonder Red, because he's won-stoppable.

2. Wonder Red, because he's won-beatable.

3. Wonder Red, because he's won-destructible.

4. Wonder Red, because he's wonderful.

5. Anna, because bae.

Totally on the mark, no doubt.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Who are the 5 most likely newcomers in your opinion? and why?

1. K. Rool: He is the most requested newcomer, and unlike other characters, he is first party and important to his franchise.
Has a lot of moveset potential.

2. Bandana Dee: Important to his franchise and popular in both continents. He would add something new to the game thanks to his spear, his model would be easy to make and his moveset is obvious.
Also, IMO, the lack of Bandana Dee or normal Waddle Dee trophies, is suspicious because characters like Magolor and the Lor Starcutter have trophies and normal Waddle Dees appear in Smash Run, Dedede's entrance animation and victory animation.
I would also like to know what do you think about the lack of trophy.

3. Paper Mario: Popular in both continents, but has competition and many people think he is just another unecessary Mario, however, we know that Sakurai doesn't care so much about "reps" or other versions of existent characters.

4. Isaac: Really popular, but personally I think the fact that he is a removed AT and is not a pre-ballot character means that Sakurai thinks Isaac and his franchise are irrelevant. I remember that in an interview Sakurai said that characters of dead franchises or without a good future are low priority. That also can be the reason why he doesn't have a trophy.
Also, the Golden Sun music sounds in random stages, like the Rhythm Heaven music, I personally think that's something negative for both Isaac and RH characters.

5. Dixie Kong: One of the most iconic Nintendo characters who is not in the game, but lacks popularity in the ballot and K.Rool is serious competition.

Lessee:

1. K. Rool is a no brainer. Everyone loves him it seems.

2. Isaac. Popular in places albeit not to K. Rool's extent.

3. Inklings. I still see them as somewhat possible.

4. Wolf. Japan loves a veteran. Missing vet is missed.

5. Wonder Red because Reddit.

Probably my top bets with Paper Mario as an outlier.

 

[A Distant Demon]

1. Wonder Red, because he's won-stoppable.

2. Wonder Red, because he's won-beatable.

3. Wonder Red, because he's won-destructible.

4. Wonder Red, because he's wonderful.

5. Anna, because bae.

Totally on the mark, no doubt.

I still cry at night because that song isn't in the game.

Who are the 5 most likely newcomers in your opinion? and why?

1. K. Rool: He is the most requested newcomer, and unlike other characters, he is first party and important to his franchise.
Has a lot of moveset potential.

2. Bandana Dee: Important to his franchise and popular in both continents. He would add something new to the game thanks to his spear, his model would be easy to make and his moveset is obvious.
Also, IMO, the lack of Bandana Dee or normal Waddle Dee trophies, is suspicious because characters like Magolor and the Lor Starcutter have trophies and normal Waddle Dees appear in Smash Run, Dedede's entrance animation and victory animation.
I would also like to know what do you think about the lack of trophy.

3. Paper Mario: Popular in both continents, but has competition and many people think he is just another unecessary Mario, however, we know that Sakurai doesn't care so much about "reps" or other versions of existent characters.

4. Isaac: Really popular, but personally I think the fact that he is a removed AT and is not a pre-ballot character means that Sakurai thinks Isaac and his franchise are irrelevant. I remember that in an interview Sakurai said that characters of dead franchises or without a good future are low priority. That also can be the reason why he doesn't have a trophy.
Also, the Golden Sun music sounds in random stages, like the Rhythm Heaven music, I personally think that's something negative for both Isaac and RH characters.

5. Dixie Kong: One of the most iconic Nintendo characters who is not in the game, but lacks popularity in the ballot and K.Rool is serious competition.

I would reply but I pretty much agree with everything here.

The lack of trophy is weird but I honestly dont see Sakurai thinking waddle dees and bandana dee are the same person/thing. Coincednce I guess.

 

[mark welford]

Honestly, every Xenoblade character has enough potential, and then we have X, I don't know what these characters do differently because 'muh spoilers' but I'm certain they are different

Also, this is fun, I'm apparently Lady Falcon
http://www.dorkly.com/post/74603/the-greek-zodiac-as-your-favorite-nintendo-characters

Well I'm cooking mama because I am Leo oh my birthday is the 15th of this month.

 

[N3ON]

I think the lack of trophy really means nothing considering Mewtwo and Lucas got trophies.

If anything the lack of trophy and the all of what, like three trophies from post-Sakurai Kirby content indicate he doesn't much care for what happened in his series after his departure.

I mean popularity is basically what Bandana Dee has to bank on since his "importance" to the series seems rather non-existent to Sakurai. Plus the whole "adding something new to the game" while true, is hardly limited to just Bandana Dee.

 

[StormC]

Who are the 5 most likely newcomers in your opinion? and why?

1. K. Rool: He is the most requested newcomer, and unlike other characters, he is first party and important to his franchise.
Has a lot of moveset potential.

2. Bandana Dee: Important to his franchise and popular in both continents. He would add something new to the game thanks to his spear, his model would be easy to make and his moveset is obvious.
Also, IMO, the lack of Bandana Dee or normal Waddle Dee trophies, is suspicious because characters like Magolor and the Lor Starcutter have trophies and normal Waddle Dees appear in Smash Run, Dedede's entrance animation and victory animation.
I would also like to know what do you think about the lack of trophy.

3. Paper Mario: Popular in both continents, but has competition and many people think he is just another unecessary Mario, however, we know that Sakurai doesn't care so much about "reps" or other versions of existent characters.

4. Isaac: Really popular, but personally I think the fact that he is a removed AT and is not a pre-ballot character means that Sakurai thinks Isaac and his franchise are irrelevant. I remember that in an interview Sakurai said that characters of dead franchises or without a good future are low priority. That also can be the reason why he doesn't have a trophy.
Also, the Golden Sun music sounds in random stages, like the Rhythm Heaven music, I personally think that's something negative for both Isaac and RH characters.

5. Dixie Kong: One of the most iconic Nintendo characters who is not in the game, but lacks popularity in the ballot and K.Rool is serious competition.

1. K. Rool: Most popular newcomer on both sides of the world, top 5 in the west, top 10 in Japan.
2. Isaac: Top 5 in the west, middling in Japan, but Sakurai could definitely throw a bone to westerners.
3. Bandana Dee: Probably the newcomer after K. Rool with the most internationally balanced popularity.
4. Dixie Kong: A pretty popular choice overall that can reuse assets from Diddy easily.
5. Paper Mario: New M&L game plus strong support that's been going on since Brawl.

So... same as yours, just with some switched around.

I think Inklings might be deemed better for 5mash, along with them getting a trophy for DLC, but who can say for sure.

As for lack of a trophy... yeah, just totally flew under the radar. During Smash 4's development, BDee was just filler space in RTDL's playable roster, not quite the fleshed out character he is now thanks to Triple Deluxe and Rainbow Curse.

 

[Champ Gold]

Who are the 5 most likely newcomers in your opinion? and why?

1. K. Rool: He is the most requested newcomer, and unlike other characters, he is first party and important to his franchise.
Has a lot of moveset potential.

2. Bandana Dee: Important to his franchise and popular in both continents. He would add something new to the game thanks to his spear, his model would be easy to make and his moveset is obvious.
Also, IMO, the lack of Bandana Dee or normal Waddle Dee trophies, is suspicious because characters like Magolor and the Lor Starcutter have trophies and normal Waddle Dees appear in Smash Run, Dedede's entrance animation and victory animation.
I would also like to know what do you think about the lack of trophy.

3. Paper Mario: Popular in both continents, but has competition and many people think he is just another unecessary Mario, however, we know that Sakurai doesn't care so much about "reps" or other versions of existent characters.

4. Isaac: Really popular, but personally I think the fact that he is a removed AT and is not a pre-ballot character means that Sakurai thinks Isaac and his franchise are irrelevant. I remember that in an interview Sakurai said that characters of dead franchises or without a good future are low priority. That also can be the reason why he doesn't have a trophy.
Also, the Golden Sun music sounds in random stages, like the Rhythm Heaven music, I personally think that's something negative for both Isaac and RH characters.

5. Dixie Kong: One of the most iconic Nintendo characters who is not in the game, but lacks popularity in the ballot and K.Rool is serious competition.

K. Rool
Dixie Kong
Issac
Wonder Red
Impa

My best choices. Sorry but is the last 3rd Party character and I can't see anyone else getting through

 

[StormC]

Also, if we're talking ballot characters, not just newcomers, Wolf/K. Rool/Isaac/Bandana Dee/Dixie Kong.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I just realised within the question it was NEWCOMERS.

Replace Wolf on my list for Paper Mario, and we're good.

 

[josh bones]

Bandanna Dee
K. Rool
Isaac

Inkling

 

[Chandeelure]

Did I miss something?
Because last time I checked, Wonder Red is not really that popular here, he is not popular in Japan at all, and his game sold very poorly :/

Also, I think Impa's chances are pretty overrated, she is decently popular here, but not in Japan.

Personally, I think that popularity in Japan is the most important factor.
I would love to see a more recent poll with the requested characters in Japan, like the one @PushDustIn made some time ago.

And yeah, if we include veterans, Wolf would be first or second, probably.

 

[StormC]

Wonder Red fans don't want the dream to die.

 

[Zerp]

King K. Rool, far and away the most popular Nintendo based newcomer. He's a Dk rep, a villain, and a heavyweight with projectiles, literally everything fans have been asking for.

Isaac, he seems to be leading many ballot surveys, even though he's only popular in the west, I think he still has more than enough support for a overall safe number 2.

Bandana Dee, has the whole missing trophy everyone's already mentioned, is very popular and is in a arguably underrepped series.

Dixie Kong

Paper Mario

Also, do we have any rough estimates of how large Japan's impact on the ballot is? Like does Japan get special priority or is it just flat out numbers that would be considered into "winning" the ballot?

 

[ZecaOMestre]

1- King K. Rool
It looks like he's the most popular character overall, being heavily requested both in Japan and overseas

2- Chorus Kid
It all indicates that Sakurai had began working on them and they got cancelled. Depending on how far they've been worked, I could see them making it

3- Dixie Kong
Also a popular choice, her only problem right now is competition with K. Rool for a spot

4- Isaac
Very popular too, and since he's not an Assist Trophy anymore there's nothing really holding him back

5- Toad (or Captain Toad)
Toad is long overdue. Now that he's got his own gam, I could see Sakurai putting him in Smash

 

[StormC]

Also, do we have any rough estimates of how large Japan's impact on the ballot is? Like does Japan get special priority or is it just flat out numbers that would be considered into "winning" the ballot?

We have no idea. I would guess Sakurai looks at the Japanese requests first, though.