Character Discussion Thread

[Diddy Kong]

And he had the body of a man in his prime.

In TP, he had the body of an aging man past his prime.

That's why he does only 1/4th a heart of damage with each of his attacks in Twilight Princess.

 

[Chandeelure]

Think he means Lloyd Irving

"We almost had one", yeah, if he thought Lloyd Irving had a chance, I don't know what to say.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I want Ganondorf to change his jab to a cape flip kind of thing but it still does the same thing.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

"We almost had one", yeah, if he thought Lloyd Irving had a chance, I don't know what to say.

Sakurai had to use the cartoon design for Pacman, we'd likely see Lloyd instead

 

[CyberWolfBia]

To me, as being something really stamped to the Smash series, it's too late to change Ganondorf at all... he could get changes slowly through the games to be something very unique in Smash 7 or so... but it's like giving a English voice for Marth by this point. Probably by the technical viewpoint, his moveset is accommodated and will stay that way while Sakurai is in charge. :\/

 

[Chandeelure]

Sakurai had to use the cartoon design for Pacman, we'd likely see Lloyd instead

Hmm... or maybe no Namco character at all.
I'm pretty sure Sakurai didn't want Pac-Man's new design, because it's incredibly ugly not iconic compared to the older design.
Lloyd is not iconic.

 

[Kenith]

"We almost had one", yeah, if he thought Lloyd Irving had a chance, I don't know what to say.

I wasn't.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hmm... or maybe no Namco character at all.
I'm pretty sure Sakurai didn't want Pac-Man's new design, because it's incredibly ugly not iconic compared to the older design.
Lloyd is not iconic.

He flatout said he might not have made Pac-Man playable if he had to use that design
He kinda is, I'm not a Tales fan and even I know who he is

 

[Kenith]

Don't think Lloyd is particularly iconic, no. He's cool, I would like him. Share's TT Robin's voice so that is automatically a plus.

 

[Arcadenik]

>Captain N

You rang?

I also want Simon Belmont.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I used to despise the idea of Simon Belmont. Then I learned how to Git Gud and beat Dracula, I'm okay with him now

 

[Chandeelure]

I wasn't.

So... who is the character?

He flatout said he might not have made Pac-Man playable if he had to use that design
He kinda is, I'm not a Tales fan and even I know who he is

And I said that Pac-Man's new design is not iconic compared to his old design, it would be like adding Sonic Boom Sonic or Box Art Mega Man IMO.
That's not really a reason to say Lloyd is iconic, we are "hardcore" fans, I know about Shovel Knight, Shantae, Lloyd, Klonoa and all those characters, that doesn't make them iconic.
I'm talking about Mario/Sonic/Ryu levels of iconic.

EDIT: ICONIC!!!!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

You know who I think could be fun? E.Gadd.

Give him the Poltergust (or his own personal custom build). Give him ice and fire attacks, as well as some sort of mechanic involving blowing and sucking air to control movement.

The more I think about it, it sounds crazy awesome!

EDIT: If we're talking about "iconic status" there are different levels of that. Just because a character is iconic doesn't mean they're on par with Sonic or the rest. That's silly.

I love Lloyd and his game. But I would certainly say he's not THAT iconic.

 

[Kenith]

You know who I think could be fun? E.Gadd.
Give him the Poltergust (or his own personal custom build). Give him ice and fire attacks, as well as some sort of mechanic involving blowing and sucking air to control movement.
The more I think about it, it sounds crazy awesome!
EDIT: If we're talking about "iconic status" there are different levels of that. Just because a character is iconic doesn't mean they're on par with Sonic or the rest. That's silly.
I love Lloyd and his game. But I would certainly say he's not THAT iconic.

Exactly. Link is iconic, but he's not Pac-Man iconic. Snake is iconic, but he's not Zelda iconic.
Also, E Gadd would be very cool!

 

[Arcadenik]

So... who is the character?

And I said that Pac-Man's new design is not iconic compared to his old design, it would be like adding Sonic Boom Sonic or Box Art Mega Man IMO.
That's not really a reason to say Lloyd is iconic, we are "hardcore" fans, I know about Shovel Knight, Shantae, Lloyd, Klonoa and all those characters, that doesn't make them iconic.
I'm talking about Mario/Sonic/Ryu levels of iconic.

EDIT: ICONIC!!!!

Simon Belmont is iconic. He should be in Smash too. The world of Castlevania would be a fantastic addition to Smash.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Simon Belmont is iconic. He should be in Smash too. The world of Castlevania would be a fantastic addition to Smash.

I want Nintendo to buy a bunch of Konami franchises like Castlevania so I can play as Belmont and Dracula.

 

[Arcadenik]

I want Nintendo to buy a bunch of Konami franchises like Castlevania so I can play as Belmont and Dracula.

Yes! And Goemon the Mystical Ninja too!

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Yes! And Goemon the Mystical Ninja too!

Bomberman as well. Someone else can take care of MGS and Silent Hill (Nintendo doesn't seem to be the type of developer to make these games).

 

[Arcadenik]

Bomberman as well. Someone else can take care of MGS and Silent Hill (Nintendo doesn't seem to be the type of developer to make these games).

Silent Hill... err, how about that Eternal Darkness game? It's a shame Nintendo doesn't have a flagship horror survival game series.

I agree with Bomberman. I haven't played many Bomberman games other than the 1993 game for TurboGrafx-16 (I have it on Wii Virtual Console) and my brother and I actually enjoyed it. I acknowledge it has a large fanbase and it's been on many Nintendo consoles. I think he would be a fantastic addition to Smash...

Metal Gear games on Nintendo consoles would be really nice... plus fans would be happy to have Snake back in Smash (even though I prefer Simon Belmont more).

Ooh, and Contra too! Bill Rizer would be pretty cool... especially if he comes with Lance Bean alt. And even if he uses real life guns, so what? The bullets don't even look realistic anyway... they look like energy balls like the Super Scope item anyway.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Silent Hill... err, how about that Eternal Darkness game? It's a shame Nintendo doesn't have a flagship horror survival game series.

I agree with Bomberman. I haven't played many Bomberman games other than the 1993 game for TurboGrafx-16 (I have it on Wii Virtual Console) and my brother and I actually enjoyed it. I acknowledge it has a large fanbase and it's been on many Nintendo consoles. I think he would be a fantastic addition to Smash...

Metal Gear games on Nintendo consoles would be really nice... plus fans would be happy to have Snake back in Smash (even though I prefer Simon Belmont more).

Ooh, and Contra too! Bill Rizer would be pretty cool... especially if he comes with Lance Bean alt. And even if he uses real life guns, so what? The bullets don't even look realistic anyway... they look like energy balls like the Super Scope item anyway.

Yeah, but Silent Hill is more like a normal horror game while Eternal Darkness is more psychological (pulls some nasty tricks on you making you think you're game crashed).
Contra would be cool.

 

[Ura]

A little bit late on the clone subject but here's my opinion on the whole subject.

Tier 0 (Full Clone)



Might as well be an alt for their originators.

Tier 1 (Borderline Full Clone)



Hardly any differences in comparison to their originators.

Tier 2 (Mostly a Clone)



Posses very similar movesets to originator but has distinguishable moveset differences.


Tier 3 (Semi-Clone)



Differentiated enough from their originators where they feel like their own unique characters.

Tier 4 (2/5ths of a Clone)



Like the above only one step beyond.

Tier 5 (Quasi Clone)



Character has unique characteristics were theirs hardly any similarities in playstyle to the originator.

Tier 6 (Characters with one cloned move)



Calling these characters a clone is flat out wrong. They only share 1 move from another character.

 

[Kenith]

Yeah, but Silent Hill is more like a normal horror game while Eternal Darkness is more psychological (pulls some nasty tricks on you making you think you're game crashed).
Contra would be cool.

Silent Hill and normal don't fit into a sentence together. Silent Hill is usually psychological.

 

[Wintropy]

A little bit late on the clone subject but here's my opinion on the whole subject.

Tier 0 (Full Clone)



Might as well be an alt for their originators.

Tier 1 (Borderline Full Clone)



Hardly any differences in comparison to their originators.

Tier 2 (Mostly a Clone)



Posses very similar movesets to originator but has distinguishable moveset differences.

Tier 3 (Semi-Clone)



Differentiated enough from their originators where they feel like their own unique characters.

Tier 4 (2/5ths of a Clone)



Like the above only one step beyond.

Tier 5 (Quasi Clone)



Character has unique characteristics were theirs hardly any similarities in playstyle to the originator.

Tier 6 (Characters with one cloned move)



Calling these characters a clone is flat out wrong. They only share 1 move from another character.

Wolf is...

I'm sorry, Wolf is in no way less of a clone than Luigi is.

That's just plain incorrect.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Silent Hill and normal don't fit into a sentence together. Silent Hill is usually psychological.

Okay. I don't like their nurses. ****ing creepy. 2crepey4me.

 

[Ura]

Wolf is...

I'm sorry, Wolf is in no way less of a clone than Luigi is.

That's just plain incorrect.

I haven't played Brawl in a while but how is that the case? Isn't Wolf different from Fox/Falco to the point where he only shares the same Down B?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Silent Hill and normal don't fit into a sentence together. Silent Hill is usually psychological.

There are 3 kinds of horror games. The one wear you're in a dark room and a monster goes 'abloogywoogywoo'. The one wear the same happens but in a well light room and the one wear you know the monster's there, you can't see it and you're aware it'll go 'abloogywoogywoo' but it doesn't go 'abloogywoogywoo' so you piss yourself in fear when he does go 'abloogywoogywoo'. Silent Hill is the third kind

 

[Kenith]

I believe a few of his standard moves are similar in animation. That's it though. It honestly could be argued he didn't even use Fox and Falco as a basis.

 

[Wintropy]

I haven't played Brawl in a while but how is that the case? Isn't Wolf different from Fox/Falco to the point where he only shares the same Down B?

- All specials are derivatives of Fox's
- Shares a number of normals
- Same Final Smash
- Fighting style is very close to Fox's

He's definitely one of the furthest from the source material, though he still retains similar elements; much more so than Luigi does, which is what I'm mentioning.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I believe a few of his standard moves are similar in animation. That's it though. It honestly could be argued he didn't even use Fox and Falco as a basis.

I only remember Pummel, Bair and arguably specials having similar animations

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Nintendo should also buy Mega Man and a couple other Capcom franchises.

There are 3 kinds of horror games. The one wear you're in a dark room and a monster goes 'abloogywoogywoo'. The one wear the same happens but in a well light room and the one wear you know the monster's there, you can't see it and you're aware it'll go 'abloogywoogywoo' but it doesn't go 'abloogywoogywoo' so you piss yourself in fear when he does go 'abloogywoogywoo'. Silent Hill is the third kind

Spoiler

abloogywoogywoo! I scared you didn't I.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I haven't played Brawl in a while but how is that the case? Isn't Wolf different from Fox/Falco to the point where he only shares the same Down B?

- All specials are derivatives of Fox's
- Shares a number of normals
- Same Final Smash
- Fighting style is very close to Fox's

He's definitely one of the furthest from the source material, though he still retains similar elements; much more so than Luigi does, which is what I'm mentioning.

Just to clarify, when Wintropy says "derivatives," the specials look similar to Fox's, though they act a lot different. I definitely consider Wolf's specials to be derived from Fox's, though, not one of them is completely original.

 

[Roaring Salsa]

Would everyone be ok if Ganondorf's B special was changed to Dead Man's Volley and his Warlock Punch was changed to be his new forward smash?

@ POKEMANSPIKA Imagine if Nintendo suddenly bought Capcom... now there are only two 3rd parties in the game.

 

[Kenith]

Would everyone be ok if Ganondorf's B special was changed to Dead Man's Volley and his Warlock Punch was changed to be his new forward smash?

Nope. That's the first thing I'd do if I retooled Ganondorf's moveset.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's a shame Nintendo doesn't have a flagship horror survival game series.

Except Luigi's Mansion wasn't supposed to be scary. They even took out a boss because they thought it would be "too scary".

Box Art Mega Man IMO.

What's a box art Mega Man? There was no box art Mega Man! What are you talking about? (Denial)

- All specials are derivatives of Fox's
- Shares a number of normals
- Same Final Smash
- Fighting style is very close to Fox's

He's definitely one of the furthest from the source material, though he still retains similar elements; much more so than Luigi does, which is what I'm mentioning.

Um... no. Very few of his attacks are shared with Fox, and there is no way they play the same way.
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax5SRRc_Bi8 A little confusing with how close together they are, but it works. (They also compared the taunts. lol)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Would everyone be ok if Ganondorf's B special was changed to Dead Man's Volley and his Warlock Punch was changed to be his new forward smash?

@ POKEMANSPIKA Imagine if Nintendo suddenly bought Capcom... now there are only two 3rd parties in the game.

Almost everyone would be happy. The only sad people are the ones who liked using for Teh sk1lz dat k1lz

 

[False Sense]

Hyrule Warriors Ganon reminds me, I also want a dual wielding character in Smash one day.
We almost had one, but...you know what happened to him.

Would everyone be ok if Ganondorf's B special was changed to Dead Man's Volley and his Warlock Punch was changed to be his new forward smash?

I might miss the cool sword custom he has for that move, but otherwise I'd be quite content with that change.

 

[Baskerville]

- All specials are derivatives of Fox's
- Shares a number of normals
- Same Final Smash
- Fighting style is very close to Fox's

He's definitely one of the furthest from the source material, though he still retains similar elements; much more so than Luigi does, which is what I'm mentioning.

Not really. A lot of Wolf's normal attacks focus a lot more on claw slashes rather then the kick based moves Fox has.

 

[Kenith]

When does Robin...?

Oh right.
Well, I can't get my dual sword-wielding, white-haired magician...guess I'll settle for the OTHER dual-sword wielding, white-haired magician.

 

[Ura]

- All specials are derivatives of Fox's
- Shares a number of normals
- Same Final Smash
- Fighting style is very close to Fox's

He's definitely one of the furthest from the source material, though he still retains similar elements; much more so than Luigi does, which is what I'm mentioning.

They might be similar but the way they function is really different. Roy's Blazer is similar looking to Marth's Dolphin Slash even though the 2 attacks operate in 2 very different manners.

Luigi is more similar to Mario than Wolf is to Fox IMO.

 

[kylexv]

Except Luigi's Mansion wasn't supposed to be scary. They even took out a boss because they thought it would be "too scary".

What's a box art Mega Man? There was no box art Mega Man! What are you talking about? (Denial)

Um... no. Very few of his attacks are shared with Fox, and there is no way they play the same way.
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax5SRRc_Bi8 A little confusing with how close together they are, but it works. (They also compared the taunts. lol)

If anything, Wolf is just as similar to Fox as Lucas is to Ness. Almost every tilt, aerial, and smash are different, and their specials are similar to that character they are "cloned" from, but definitely not the exact same.