Character Discussion Thread

[EdgeTheLucas]

I'd rather have Daisy as an assist trophy than a Peach alternative costume to be honest. I think it would look strange to see Daisy using a Toad to shield herself, or floating, or using a butt attack. The parasol might fit but that that's all, really. Instead for Peach she should have an elaborate dress and earrings that resemble Daisy like Melee had, but even more elaborate and detailed.

As for her being an assist trophy, she can either use some sports shenanigans to attack like basketballs and baseballs and stuff, or grow some power up items for the other fighters to use. Because, uh, Daisy is a flower, and her dress is yellow, and so is the sun, and the sun helps plants grow...Just a really weird idea I had for Daisy considering that outside of playing sports we don't know what else she can do. Basically she'd grow food power ups like Super Mushrooms or Maxim Tomatoes.

I might want Daisy as a playable character if she showed up in more mainline Mario games besides Super Mario Land 1. Otherwise, assist trophy or bust.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Daisy really needs her own Toad/Luma species to rule over already.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Daisy really needs her own Toad/Luma species to rule over already.

Maybe she could rule Whittles (the wooden creatures from SMG2) or Crazee Dayzees (although they're enemies).

 

[Kenith]

Maybe she could rule Whittles (the wooden creatures from SMG2)

Yes please. Whittles. I love. Please in more games put them.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Well I found the perfect Second Sega rep.


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Sega: "What's a Skies of Arcadia? Is it one of the many wonderful fanfictions written by our loving Sonic fanbase?"

Sad, but true.

 

[memoryman3]

Why does everyone treat the Mario spin offs as if they don't matter? No other franchise has ones with as much variety as Nintendo's No. 1 franchise. We have Dr.Mario represented with....Dr. Mario. No one seems to look down on Paper Mario. Or Wario, who originated from a "spinoff"

Plus we have untapped potential with large varieties of spin-offs Mario offers.

 

[DJ3DS]

Why does everyone treat the Mario spin offs as if they don't matter? No other franchise has ones with as much variety as Nintendo's No. 1 franchise. We have Dr.Mario represented with....Dr. Mario. No one seems to look down on Paper Mario. Or Wario, who originated from a "spinoff"

Plus we have untapped potential with large varieties of spin-offs Mario offers.

Wario has spawned a couple of series of his own as well as appearing in every Mario spin-off. Daisy and Waluigi have not appeared outside of spin-offs since their first appearance. That's the difference.

(Dr Mario caused a fair amount of salt when revealed so I don't think that's a great comparison to use)

 

[FalKoopa]

Why does everyone treat the Mario spin offs as if they don't matter? No other franchise has ones with as much variety as Nintendo's No. 1 franchise. We have Dr.Mario represented with....Dr. Mario. No one seems to look down on Paper Mario. Or Wario, who originated from a "spinoff"

Plus we have untapped potential with large varieties of spin-offs Mario offers.

Because we hardly get any content from them. The entire spin-off content in Brawl was one song from Partners in Time and one from Mario Tennis/Golf.

If you count out the RPGs, the amount of content they have is practically nil.

 

[YoshiandToad]

We have so many spinoffs of Mario now I'm not entirely sure what and what isn't a spinoff character.

Is Captain Toad Treasure Tracker considered a spinoff despite it's ties with Super Mario 3D World? Is he therefore considered a spinoff character or does his roots in Mario Galaxy and 3D World prevent him from such a lumping with Waluigi and Daisy? What of Toadette?

Is Nabbit a spinoff character having appeared in New Luigi U. Is New Luigi U a spinoff even?

 

[memoryman3]

Because we hardly get any content from them. The entire spin-off content in Brawl was one song from Partners in Time and one from Mario Tennis/Golf.

If you count out the RPGs, the amount of content they have is practically nil.

The Mario Kart songs, there are a ton of them. But it's not really about the characters....

EDIT: Two stages dedicated to Mario Kart.

Wario has spawned a couple of series of his own as well as appearing in every Mario spin-off. Daisy and Waluigi have not appeared outside of spin-offs since their first appearance. That's the difference.

(Dr Mario caused a fair amount of salt when revealed so I don't think that's a great comparison to use)

They could have them represent the spin-offs fully in their moves, and since Waluigi is an AT....

 

[FalKoopa]

The Mario Kart songs, there are a ton of them. But it's not really about the characters....

EDIT: Two stages dedicated to Mario Kart.

I forgot about Mario Kart, sorry.

Kart and the RPGs have some representation. The others (Party, Tennis, Football, Golf, Itadaki Street, Hoops 3-on-3, what have you) don't have nearly anything.

 

[memoryman3]

I forgot about Mario Kart, sorry.

Kart and the RPGs have some representation. The others (Party, Tennis, Football, Golf, Itadaki Street, Hoops 3-on-3, what have you) don't have nearly anything.

Only one Mario Party song. ONE MARIO PARTY SONG! And it's not even the good one.

 

[FalKoopa]

We have so many spinoffs of Mario now I'm not entirely sure what and what isn't a spinoff character.

Is Captain Toad Treasure Tracker considered a spinoff despite it's ties with Super Mario 3D World? Is he therefore considered a spinoff character or does his roots in Mario Galaxy and 3D World prevent him from such a lumping with Waluigi and Daisy? What of Toadette?

Is Nabbit a spinoff character having appeared in New Luigi U. Is New Luigi U a spinoff even?

To be considered a core Mario game, it should be a platformer (2D or 3D).

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm gonna make a list of characters from their respective franchises, and rate their chances. I will not put up 3rd party franchises, or franchises that only had or have one major character. :3 (Don't get mad at me if I miss someone. In a spoiler because it includes everyone, so it is long.)

Spoiler

Paper Mario: Paper Mario has about a 5/10 chance I think. He has the potential to be very unique, using various stickers, and partners to attack. And that moveset potential is even greater in ssb5, with Mario & Luigi Paper Jam coming out later.
Daisy: 1/10. I think Daisy needs to appear in a mainseries Mario game for her to be included.
King Boo: King Boo's chances are about a 1/10. He is a ghost, and has control over most of the Boo we have encountered over the years along with many of his own abilities. However, he is going to need more screen time to make a name for himself before getting considered for the game. More likely in Smash 5.
Fawfull: 1/10. He is the fan favorite of the Mario & Luigi series, but he hasn't appeared since Bowser's Inside Story sooo...

Kamek: Kamek is kinda pushing it, but it's possible. He has the moveset potential though. His chances? 1/10.

Captain Syrup: 1/10. There isn't really a push for another WarioWare Inc./Wario Land character, just more game inspired moves for Wario.

King K. Rool: 9/10. He is one of the most likely character to join smash. If he doesn't, Nintendo will have made a grave mistake. (And this is coming from someone who doesn't support him.)
Dixie Kong: 5/10. Dixie Kong isn't the most requested character mostly because everyone thinks she would be a semi-clone of Diddy Kong at best. I'm not so sure, but you never know.

Impa: 3/10. Impa needs more main series roles at the moment, but she is a good pick for a series that doesn't really hang on to any characters.
Giraham: 1/10. He has to prove he is more than just a one-off (but still highly liked) character. If he gets a good roll in Zelda U, he might be a good choice.
Gannon: 1/10. People are pushing for him as well because they want a better moveset for Ganondorf. He could get in, but he needs support first.
Wolf Link & Midna: 1/10. The heroes of Twilight Princess. Probably not happening because he doesn't have enough support. Why because they involve "another Link".
Young Link: 4/10: For Young Link, it's now or never. It might happen, it might not. It all depends on how much Sakurai wants to bring back characters.
Tingle: 10/10. It's obious why he is a shoo-in. Ok not really. 1/10. His inclusion would be funny though.

Ridley: His situation is weird. Half the people want him with a passion. The other half wants to burn him alive. And Sakurai doesn't think his inclusion would work either, so that doesn't help things. His chances? Um.......3/10?
Sylux: 2/10. He is growing in popularity slowly, but most people don't want him.
Dark Samus: 1/10. The evil clone of Samus doesn't really have much going for her at the moment. And honestly, I don't think adding Samus a third time will appease fans.

Medusa: 1/10. Medusa is dead, so I don't see her appearing again. (Unless Hades decides it would be a good idea to bring her back.)
Hades: 1/10. With how many people that liked him, I don't think Hades is gone for good. That is, if the series gets picked up by someone.
Viridi: 1/10. Could happen if there is another Uprising, but right now, not really.

Anna: Anna is the fan favorite character to join at the moment. I don't know enough about her to rate her chances accurately though. Maybe 4/10?
Chrom: 1/10. Many people wanted Chrom, but Sakurai had other plans. Robin's Final Smash.

Bandana Dee: 6/10. As one of the main four, he has pretty good chances.
Magolor: 2/10. The only other recurring character at the moment. If it stays that way, then he would have good chances for later.

Wolf: 9/10. I don't really have to say anything on this subject.
Krystal: 4/10. Krystal's popularity has dwindled, especially since they thought it was a good idea to bring back everyone but her in Star Fox Zero.

Squirtle: 5/10. See Young Link.
Ivysaur: 5/10. See Young Link.
Pichu: 3/10. See Young Link.
Zoruark: 4/10. Zoruark pretty much missed her only shot in Brawl.

Porkey: 1/10. I don't see him working without his giant spider mech.
Kumatora: 1/10. Don't think it will happen, but she would probably be the one put in the game if there was another Earthbound (Mother) character.

Black Shadow: 1/10. Only wanted to take Ganondorf's moveset.
Samurai Gorouh: 1/10. This fighter with very botched spelling will probably stay as an assist trophy.

Isabelle: 2/10. She isn't very likely, but it could happen if enough people want her.
K. K. Slider: 1/10. It would be hilarious to have a pacifist in smash. But that probably makes him less likely.

Plasm Wraith: 1/10. Not enough people pushing for him. If it appears again, it might happen.

Ryn: 1/10. Shulk will probably be the only character from Xenoblade Chronicles. (The first game, not the series.)
Fiora: 1/10. See Shulk and add spoilers.
Melia: 1/10. See Shulk.
Dunban: 1/10. See Shulk.
Riki: 1/10. See Shulk and add awesomeness.

Maybe she could rule Whittles (the wooden creatures from SMG2) or Crazee Dayzees (although they're enemies).

Yes! I love Whittles! :3

 

[aldelaro5]

Why does everyone treat the Mario spin offs as if they don't matter? No other franchise has ones with as much variety as Nintendo's No. 1 franchise. We have Dr.Mario represented with....Dr. Mario. No one seems to look down on Paper Mario. Or Wario, who originated from a "spinoff"

Plus we have untapped potential with large varieties of spin-offs Mario offers.

Paper Mario I can tell from personal experience is really underrated.

At least Paper Jam helps, but I really still think he;s underrated.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I'm gonna make a list of characters from their respective franchises, and rate their chances. I will not put up 3rd party franchises, or franchises that only had or have one major character. :3 (Don't get mad at me if I miss someone. In a spoiler because it includes everyone, so it is long.)

Spoiler

Paper Mario: Paper Mario has about a 5/10 chance I think. He has the potential to be very unique, using various stickers, and partners to attack. And that moveset potential is even greater in ssb5, with Mario & Luigi Paper Jam coming out later.
Daisy: 1/10. I think Daisy needs to appear in a mainseries Mario game for her to be included.
King Boo: King Boo's chances are about a 1/10. He is a ghost, and has control over most of the Boo we have encountered over the years along with many of his own abilities. However, he is going to need more screen time to make a name for himself before getting considered for the game. More likely in Smash 5.
Fawfull: 1/10. He is the fan favorite of the Mario & Luigi series, but he hasn't appeared since Bowser's Inside Story sooo...

Kamek: Kamek is kinda pushing it, but it's possible. He has the moveset potential though. His chances? 1/10.

Captain Syrup: 1/10. There isn't really a push for another WarioWare Inc./Wario Land character, just more game inspired moves for Wario.

King K. Rool: 9/10. He is one of the most likely character to join smash. If he doesn't, Nintendo will have made a grave mistake. (And this is coming from someone who doesn't support him.)
Dixie Kong: 5/10. Dixie Kong isn't the most requested character mostly because everyone thinks she would be a semi-clone of Diddy Kong at best. I'm not so sure, but you never know.

Impa: 3/10. Impa needs more main series roles at the moment, but she is a good pick for a series that doesn't really hang on to any characters.
Giraham: 1/10. He has to prove he is more than just a one-off (but still highly liked) character. If he gets a good roll in Zelda U, he might be a good choice.
Gannon: 1/10. People are pushing for him as well because they want a better moveset for Ganondorf. He could get in, but he needs support first.
Wolf Link & Midna: 1/10. The heroes of Twilight Princess. Probably not happening because he doesn't have enough support. Why because they involve "another Link".
Young Link: 4/10: For Young Link, it's now or never. It might happen, it might not. It all depends on how much Sakurai wants to bring back characters.
Tingle: 10/10. It's obious why he is a shoo-in. Ok not really. 1/10. His inclusion would be funny though.

Ridley: His situation is weird. Half the people want him with a passion. The other half wants to burn him alive. And Sakurai doesn't think his inclusion would work either, so that doesn't help things. His chances? Um.......3/10?
Sylux: 2/10. He is growing in popularity slowly, but most people don't want him.
Dark Samus: 1/10. The evil clone of Samus doesn't really have much going for her at the moment. And honestly, I don't think adding Samus a third time will appease fans.

Medusa: 1/10. Medusa is dead, so I don't see her appearing again. (Unless Hades decides it would be a good idea to bring her back.)
Hades: 1/10. With how many people that liked him, I don't think Hades is gone for good. That is, if the series gets picked up by someone.
Viridi: 1/10. Could happen if there is another Uprising, but right now, not really.

Anna: Anna is the fan favorite character to join at the moment. I don't know enough about her to rate her chances accurately though. Maybe 4/10?
Chrom: 1/10. Many people wanted Chrom, but Sakurai had other plans. Robin's Final Smash.

Bandana Dee: 6/10. As one of the main four, he has pretty good chances.
Magolor: 2/10. The only other recurring character at the moment. If it stays that way, then he would have good chances for later.

Wolf: 9/10. I don't really have to say anything on this subject.
Krystal: 4/10. Krystal's popularity has dwindled, especially since they thought it was a good idea to bring back everyone but her in Star Fox Zero.

Squirtle: 5/10. See Young Link.
Ivysaur: 5/10. See Young Link.
Pichu: 3/10. See Young Link.
Zoruark: 4/10. Zoruark pretty much missed her only shot in Brawl.

Porkey: 1/10. I don't see him working without his giant spider mech.
Kumatora: 1/10. Don't think it will happen, but she would probably be the one put in the game if there was another Earthbound (Mother) character.

Black Shadow: 1/10. Only wanted to take Ganondorf's moveset.
Samurai Gorouh: 1/10. This fighter with very botched spelling will probably stay as an assist trophy.

Isabelle: 2/10. She isn't very likely, but it could happen if enough people want her.
K. K. Slider: 1/10. It would be hilarious to have a pacifist in smash. But that probably makes him less likely.

Plasm Wraith: 1/10. Not enough people pushing for him. If it appears again, it might happen.

Ryn: 1/10. Shulk will probably be the only character from Xenoblade Chronicles. (The first game, not the series.)
Fiora: 1/10. See Shulk and add spoilers.
Melia: 1/10. See Shulk.
Dunban: 1/10. See Shulk.
Riki: 1/10. See Shulk and add awesomeness.

Yes! I love Whittles! :3

There is a thread for that BTW. it is literally called

rate their chances

why not join in on the fun there

 

[AncientTobacco]

So apparently Yacht Club Games is a publisher now... I guess this means that Shovel Knight can't be the "indie rep" anymore!

/s

Spoiler

Seriously though, we're not getting any "indie reps".

 

[Schnee117]

So apparently Yacht Club Games is a publisher now... I guess this means that Shovel Knight can't be the "indie rep" anymore!

/s

Spoiler

Seriously though, we're not getting any "indie reps".

I'm just waiting for Shovel Knight's support to surge up because of Physical Copies, The Nintendo content and the DLC.

Probably won't be enough and I doubt he'd be in anyway.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I swear Shovel Knight would be the most stupid thing they could do I never even gave the character serious thoughts, but now I do, it frustrates me how he ever became so popular.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I swear Shovel Knight would be the most stupid thing they could do I never even gave the character serious thoughts, but now I do, it frustrates me how he ever became so popular.

I thought the same, until I actually played the game on Wii U. It's probably the best retro game I've played since Cave Story. There's reasons why he's so popular and it's not just bandwagoning.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Shovel Knight is the new Quote.

One good game --> X for SSB!!!

 

[Diddy Kong]

I thought the same, until I actually played the game on Wii U. It's probably the best retro game I've played since Cave Story. There's reasons why he's so popular and it's not just bandwagoning.

Yeah sure, the game itself is fullfilling a gerne that everyone basically grew up with and has seemed to be long forgotten. I didn't play the game, but I can appriciate it for what it is. Yet, a character like Shovel Knight shouldn't be chosen over someone as King K.Rool. If Sakurai does this, I swear I'll flip my ****.

And you all know how cool, calm and collected I always am

 

[BluePikmin11]

I seriously suggest playing the game.
Playing the game will give you a good understanding on the support. Personally, I don't see having one game being a very negative factor to his chances, we've had plenty of characters who appeared in one game and got in as playable.

Yeah sure, the game itself is fullfilling a gerne that everyone basically grew up with and has seemed to be long forgotten. I didn't play the game, but I can appriciate it for what it is. Yet, a character like Shovel Knight shouldn't be chosen over someone as King K.Rool. If Sakurai does this, I swear I'll flip my ****.

And you all know how cool, calm and collected I always am

Don't think it that way. That's a pretty unhealthy mindset, it's as much of an argument as the slot argument.

 

[False Sense]

I seriously suggest playing the game.
Playing the game will give you a good understanding on the support. Personally, I don't see having one game being a very negative factor to his chances, we've had plenty of characters who appeared in one game and got in as playable.

Those characters weren't Third Party, mind you.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Doesn't mean that one factor detriments his chances completely, that's more of a minor factor than anything IMO.

 

[DJ3DS]

Doesn't mean that one factor detriments his chances completely, that's more of a minor factor than anything IMO.

You're right. The fact that he's unknown in Japan is probably what's really screwing him over.

 

[False Sense]

Doesn't mean that one factor detriments his chances completely, that's more of a minor factor than anything IMO.

We clearly have very different opinions on Third Party characters.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yes, the game is going to be released in Japan soon though. If Sakurai were to be in a agreement with Yacht Club Games, they would certainly mention his Japanese release and think about his inclusion from there if it's worth it.

 

[False Sense]

Yes, the game is going to be released in Japan soon though. If Sakurai were to be in a agreement with Yacht Club Games, they would certainly mention his Japanese release and think about his inclusion from there if it's worth it.

That's a pretty big if, isn't it?

 

[DJ3DS]

Yes, the game is going to be released in Japan soon though. If Sakurai were to be in a agreement with Yacht Club Games, they would certainly mention his Japanese release and think about his inclusion from there if it's worth it.

Really?

"Hey, we set up thus ballot for you guys in April. However, we've decided that we'll include this character none of you here in Japan have ever heard of, but don't worry as his game comes out here soon!"

Sakurai didn't include Takamaru in the base game as playable because he didn't think enough people would know him. No way he's going to include a character half his audience don't know when the name of the game is fanservice.

As far as I'm concerned, Shovel Knight is the Geno of Smash 4. And we've been over Geno enough times to know what I mean by that.

 

[Chandeelure]

Everybody is likely because... it can happen, guys!

Best argument ever.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Probably way more riskier than Yokai Watch getting an international release and getting a character in Smash. They way I see it, I think Sakurai could get really get the approval is if he somehow managed to play the Japanese version game during his free time. Shovel Knight really shines in game merit like Xenoblade and Mother and I think that's what is going to really sell him. But that's pretty unlikely to happen.

As far as I'm concerned, Shovel Knight is the Geno of Smash 4. And we've been over Geno enough times to know what I mean by that.

He's not an obscure character from many years ago though. Unlike Geno, he's likely going to be used in future sequels for Yacht Club Games with his decent amount of success (700 K copies as of recent news). He's basically the guy who started the studio in the first place.

Everybody is likely because... it can happen, guys!

Best argument ever.

Did I ever say he's likely. Again with assuming that I think he's likely.

 

[DJ3DS]

He's not an obscure character from many years ago though. Unlike Geno, he's likely going to be used in future sequels for Yacht Club Games with his decent amount of success (700 K copies as of recent news). He's basically the guy who started the studio in the first place.

I compare him to Geno merely in terms of both being characters wildly popular with niche parts of the fanbase, but whom half the fanbase wouldn't recognise. He certainly does have a much brighter future though and I could see it happening further down the road; just not this game.

I personally wouldn't choose to compare him to Mother / Xenoblade. Ness was added in Smash 64 when an international release wasn't even confirmed. Xenoblade had the likes of Operation Rainfall (that was Xenoblade, right?) so he was obviously a popular character both sides of the ocean.

Moreover I would say that these were added in base games, not as DLC. Niche choices such as Shovel Knight is at the moment are much easier to justify there.

(As an aside I have nothing against Shovel Knight as a character; having not played his game I'm entirely indifferent.)

 

[BluePikmin11]

I compare him to Geno merely in terms of both being characters wildly popular with niche parts of the fanbase, but whom half the fanbase wouldn't recognise.

There's at least going to be some parts of the world whom doesn't know the character. I see that as irrelevant really. Besides, even if he's not recognizable at first glance, there other appealing factors that would have people buy him as DLC.

I personally wouldn't choose to compare him to Mother / Xenoblade. Ness was added in Smash 64 when an international release wasn't even confirmed. Xenoblade had the likes of Operation Rainfall (that was Xenoblade, right?) so he was obviously a popular character both sides of the ocean.

Similarly, there was a Kickstarter for this game to complete it's development. A lot of attention was given to the game before it's release in the west and still gets a good amount of attention today. That's a bit noteworthy IMO.

 

[BKupa666]

For Shovel Knight or any other indie character, whether or not they have staying power can be put to the test by not adding them this time around, and watching what happens with their fans. If they remain constant, maybe they're worth revisiting down the road, but if not, then they'll know they made the right call, just like with Geno during Brawl.

 

[Cool Typhlosion]

I really don't care about Shovel Knight so............
Kamek

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Shovel Knight is one of the best games I've played in a while.

Still not worthy for Smash in my eyes.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I really don't care about Shovel Knight so............
Kamek

Kamek might be important in Yoshi games but in Mario games it's a generic enemy and I don't see it happening personally

 

[AEMehr]

Shovel Knight is the new Quote.

One good game --> X for SSB!!!

Ouch.
I find Quote a worthy Smash candidate because of how iconic the character is in the indie scene, Cave Story really being one of the, if not the first, "full" game experience made by an independent game developer. It kind of serves as an inspiration to many indie developers and is a pretty revolutionary video game for being solely developed by one person.

Shovel Knight is a good game that was funded by people on Kickstarter. He's got great moveset potential, but iunno if he really has that iconic aspect as a character.
I mean Quote isn't nearly as iconic as the third-parties that have appeared in Smash, but as far as indies go he's definitely one of, if not the most notable.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Aw we're dissing Shovel Knight now?

As for the whole "He's only been in one game guys" argument, it's a damn good game. One that oozes Nintendo influence. One that I'll remember as really really fun for years to come. Aren't you guys the Smash fans that are always going on and on and on about how representation doesn't matter that much anyway? I mean I see you guys usually dismiss representation reasons for characters precisely because whether or not they stand in for some random game isn't strong enough of a reason to support them, right? I thought you guys knew that what REALLY mattered was whether that character stuck with you, how awesome they were, how much of a lasting impression they make on the player, and how cool they would be to play in Smash.

Why is the whole "Only one game" argument coming up again?

And are we seriously so scared that indies like Quote or Shantae or Shovel Knight might cut into other characters we want like K. Rool (because I really, truly want him as well)? Guys, lemme level with you--K. Rool's chances have never burned brighter than they are now with him regularly dominating recorded ballot votes on the Internet. So have Isaac's, the other super-requested old character that's not from the NES days and before that. Characters like them will get into Smash just fine because of the ballot. What's one indie character to join the roster alongside characters like them? And I am confident when I say "alongside." Those elephants that have been in the room for years now have a very high chance of formally being in Smash now, with Sakurai's "several more fighters on the way" comment indicating more to join them.

Aside from that, there's the whole "Are indie characters timeless / iconic enough to join Smash despite being so recent?" question. While I personally think he is, the "iconic" label is sometimes used semantically in my experience, as in, "Man, I and lots of other people really REALLY like Shovel Knight and for the past year or so we haven't gotten it out of our minds because of how great it is, and it would be so cool if Shovel Knight was in Smash," being met with "Well, you have a point, but it's just that he's not ICONIC enough for Smash." After all the immense love for the warrior with the silly weapon, does it really matter if they meet some random guy's definition of "iconic"? Like I said, it's a semantics thing that can gloss over the love some other characters have.

I won't say anything about his chances, however. I'm not sure just how likely he is, though I do see him pretty heavily requested every now and then. My only concern is IF he makes it into Smash, then people here should try not to get too upset over it and enjoy him. I know I would.

/first time EdgeTheLucas has gotten a little upset here, sorry if he irritated anyone