Character Discussion Thread

[Bowserlick]

Your laughter will turn into rage tears. KING K. ROOL!

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Lucina's Lack of major differences are a major disappointment for me, I'm fine with her being a Marth clone but she could've had a few more differences, Her own Dash attack,her own A combo, hell at least ONE move to herself, it could've just been one of Marth's customs as her Default and I would be way more on board with having her, even her Final Smash is the same, not even an Awakening spin on it, it's just so... aaargh, y'know

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Your laughter will turn into rage tears. KING K. ROOL!

That's implying that K.Rool will be the only character for the rest of the franchise and it's also implying I don't want K.Rool, both of which are false

 

[Bowserlick]

No, I just like him.

But are there any main characters (main protagonist) of FE that does not use a sword? That is popular?

DK franchise is popular and I think will get at least one character. Even the Zelda series (after Hyrule Warriors 3DS) may see a boost in the ballots.

But I think we can be looking at two third-party. Smash is at a point where companies are begging for their characters to be added.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

No, I just like him.

But are there any main characters (main protagonist) of FE that does not use a sword? That is popular?

DK franchise is popular and I think will get at least one character. Even the Zelda series (after Hyrule Warriors 3DS) may see a boost in the ballots.

But I think we can be looking at two third-party. Smash is at a point where companies are begging for their characters to be added.

Ephraim's got a lance, Sigurd's got one, Hector has an axe, Miciah has tomes, Kamui has a Dragon Stone. And Anna's one of the most popular and uses everything but axes.
To get things straight, are we talking about DLC or future installments?

 

[Deleted member]

It always bugged that there's always one character who got way much privileges about swap colors, for Brawl having 10 iirc and for 4 having 16.

While besides you have who are still limited to 8 in total for each, 4 for each gender...

 

[Kenith]

It always bugged that there's always one character who got way much privileges about swap colors, for Brawl having 10 iirc and for 4 having 16.

While besides you have who are still limited to 8 in total for each...

I absolutely hate this.
And another thing. Why the wireframe mac? Wouldn't it have made more sense to make the hoodie alt have eight colors instead of that one?

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

It always bugged that there's always one character who got way much privileges about swap colors, for Brawl having 10 iirc and for 4 having 16.

Agreed, were all those wire-frame palette swaps really necessary?

EDIT: And if Mac can have 16 costumes why some of Wario's costumes had to be cut?

 

[GunGunW]

I feel like Little Mac could have had three regular colors, one regular jumpsuit, three wire frame colors, one wireframe jumpsuit.

 

[Bowserlick]

Ephraim's got a lance, Sigurd's got one, Hector has an axe, Miciah has tomes, Kamui has a Dragon Stone. And Anna's one of the most popular and uses everything but axes.
To get things straight, are we talking about DLC or future installments?

Only DLC. I am sure FE will get more in future installments. In fact, Mario, Pokemon, and FE really could get a Smash (at least on 3DS) that only includes their franchise.

 

[StormC]

I feel like Zelda would be more likely to get a DLC character if fans weren't so split on who it should be.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Only DLC. I am sure FE will get more in future installments. In fact, Mario, Pokemon, and FE really could get a Smash (at least on 3DS) that only includes their franchise.

NEVER MIND MY ARGUMENTS THEN!

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

They can always flesh out Lucina in the next game like Falco and Ganondorf were in Brawl while not sucking like the latter did. Both Roy and Lucina have a place in Smash in my opinion.

If anyone wants, you can read an idea I had to flesh her out very dynamically while still controlling similar to Marth. It even involves Chrom so his fans might like it too.

Spoiler: long read, sorry it lacks any fancy GIFs or drawings to liven it up since I'm bad at drawing

So I was juggling an idea earlier today, having recently beat Fire Emblem: Awakening. It strikes me as unsatisfactory that Sakurai went halfsies with the Awakening characters by including both Robin AND Lucina, but leaving Chrom out of a playable role (or is that twothirdsies?). I understand people think Chrom would be a boring addition, but if it were me, my choice with Awakening in Smash would be to either only have Robin, or to have all 3 main characters be playable in some way, because I think those choices would be the only fair options.

So here's a scenario that Chrom fans might like, or not: imagine if Lucina and Chrom were a single character, paired up like the Fire Emblem: Awakening mechanic. This is not to say they would be an Ice Climbers concept done again with someone different, but rather you can switch between the characters via palette swaps on the character select screen, with the character you didn't choose being in the background of the stage a la Pokémon Trainer in Brawl. At the start of the match both characters appear and the Awakening graphical effect for support units magically providing a buff to the dominant unit plays out, while either Chrom or Lucina says one of their Dual Support quotes.

Chrom: "Are you ready?" "It's alright." "As one!" "Stay with us." "On my mark!" "Stay focused." "I've gotcha!" "You can do this." "My strength is yours!" "I've got your back."

Lucina: "You're all right." "Seize the chance." "It's all right." "Together!" "Have faith." "I'm by your side." "Be ready." "I'm right here." "Now!"

In this scenario Lucina is still a Marth clone, however she's been differentiated a bit by having many more of her Awakening animations (and thus some more visual flair and hitbox differences), and some attacks use lances, like Shield Breaker (it's still a thrust like Marth's, but goes much further and does more non-shield damage, at the cost of big endlag or something).

Chrom would actually share her moveset completely, and thus also be a stylized Marth clone, but I justify this move for a number of reasons:

1. Sakurai's decision to make Lucina a Marth clone is somewhat disappointing, but not irrational. However she likes Marth, though, the most important thing is that she values and loves her father much, MUCH more than she idolizes the Hero-King. For those who've played Awakening I don't think this needs very much elaboration, so I'll simply say that pairing up Chrom with Lucina would be a great way to flesh out her Smash self in a way that's serviceable if not outright heartwarming.
2. Both Lucina and Chrom's signature weapons are the Falchion. The Falchion also belonged to Marth, and it's no stretch to believe that both Lucina AND Chrom would find some part of their swordplay derivative from how Marth would have used it thousands of years ago. This is why I believe Chrom sharing his moveset with Lucina wouldn't be that jarring and could make some sense.
3. Following from point #2, I would find it weird if Chrom didn't have more traditional swordplay as his moveset rather than taking inspiration from Ike and having heavy sword swings, or ignoring his Falchion completely and having a moveset where he uses lances exclusively instead. Pairing him up with Lucina while buffing and differentiating both of them from Marth is a much more natural implementation of Chrom in Smash, because not seeing Chrom use the Falchion like Lucina does would look off.

Furthermore, in this scenario Lucina and Chrom would have attack animations from each other from Awakening as well as their own Awakening animations, referencing Lucina and Chrom's support conversations where they duel each other so they could learn from each other. Again, I think this would lend a heartwarming element to the pair of them in Smash by referencing their relationship, while also allowing this paired up character to again differentiate themselves from Marth.

One final idea I have is that, if your Smash attacks connect, pressing the button again would have the other unit that was standing in the background Pokémon Trainer-style come where you are and deliver a second blow, like the Dual Strikes in Awakening.

Chrom: "Have another!" "We're not done yet!" "My turn!" "Come on!" "Face me!"

Lucina: "You're mine!" "Allow me!" "Take this!" "Forget about me?" "My turn!"

Of course, their Final Smash would be like Robin's current one where they team up and slash away, eventually sending the enemy flying. In this scenario, Robin's Final Smash would be different, either using Morgan instead of Chrom or doing something else.

All of that flair and they would still be tipper-less to balance it all out. They could also have at least one special move be completely unique from Marth.

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I'd like to know what Chrom fans would think of this idea. Would it still be bad to not have Chrom be a separate, unique character? Does this scenario feel satisfying or dumb? I personally would like it if this happened since it would solve plenty of problems, but that won't be the case for everyone.

I wish I could talk to the director of the next Smash and suggest this idea to them, they might find it appealing how economical this solution could be, especially since I highly doubt Lucina being buffed or Chrom being in Smash would happen in this specific a way.

Forgive me if posting this here broke any rules, if it did let me know so I don't do it again.

Copied and pasted from my post in the Chrom support thread.

 

[FalKoopa]

Agreed, were all those wire-frame palette swaps really necessary?

EDIT: And if Mac can have 16 costumes why some of Wario's costumes had to be cut?

Miyamoto bias? The Wireframe Mac was originally his idea, after all.

 

[Kenith]

I feel like Zelda would be more likely to get a DLC character if fans weren't so split on who it should be.

Yeah no kidding.
Which is why they should collectively agree on the obvious best choice, Wolf Link and Midna.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I have a feeling that FE is done in terms of characters.

I think DLC are probably going to center around third-party and other franchises that have a popular character, but have not received one in this edition.

Third-party? Lol. I don't think we'll get ANY more third-parties at this point (as DLC). And I can only really see one new franchise get added at this point, though I'd love to see more.

I feel like Zelda would be more likely to get a DLC character if fans weren't so split on who it should be.

Fans wouldn't be so split if there were more major recurring characters throughout the series. There just... aren't. That's something Nintendo would have to start doing. Another problem is there's some characters a lot of people want to see, but the other half (or more) don't want to see them because they don't want the Zelda franchise represented entirely by different versions of Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf.

 

[Arcanir]

Only DLC. I am sure FE will get more in future installments. In fact, Mario, Pokemon, and FE really could get a Smash (at least on 3DS) that only includes their franchise.

Mario I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, it has more then enough popularity to do it, but I guess it's just an area the series is not interested in touching. Pokémon definitely has more then enough, and that's probably one of the reasons why we're getting Pokken, but even that's barely tapping the number of potentials the series has (6 confirmed, 7 at best with Blaziken, while it seems to be releasing in July).

Fire Emblem I would love to see, and with its popularity rising (Fates is set to outsell Awakening in Japan), I think it could get it sometime in the future. It'd still probably follow Smash's model of only using lords, but that would allow for those like Celica, Lyn, Micaiah, Kamui and Sigurd to be options outside of Smash.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Mario I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, it has more then enough popularity to do it, but I guess it's just an area the series is not interested in touching. Pokémon definitely has more then enough, and that's probably one of the reasons why we're getting Pokken, but even that's barely tapping the number of potentials the series has (6 confirmed, 7 at best with Blaziken, while it seems to be releasing in July).

Fire Emblem I would love to see, and with its popularity rising (Fates is set to outsell Awakening in Japan), I think it could get it sometime in the future. It'd still probably follow Smash's model of only using lords, but that would allow for those like Celica, Lyn, Micaiah, Kamui and Sigurd to be options outside of Smash.

I think there will be about 15 characters in Pokken, they're just holding them back.


Fire Emblem I think is likely to get a Warriors crossover later on.

 

[Chandeelure]

What do you think about Daisy?
I think she is popular, but when you look at the roster:

Spoiler

You only see protagonists, antagonists and protagonist's or antagonist's sidekicks, a.k.a. important characters.
Daisy is just... I don't know, a filler in spin-offs.

Protagonists:


Antagonists:


Daisy is not the protagonist of Mario sports/party games, she is just one of the characters you can choose. Honey Queen, Spike and Baby Rosalina are not protagonists.
She is not an antagonist.
And no, she is not Peach's sidekick.

Even Toadette is a protagonist/sidekick character now, thanks to Treasure Tracker.

What do you think?
I personally think they will not add her, even if she is popular.

 

[Burruni]

What do you think about Daisy?
I think she is popular, but when you look at the roster:

Spoiler

You only see protagonists, antagonists and protagonist's or antagonist's sidekicks, a.k.a. important characters.
Daisy is just... I don't know, a filler in spin-offs.

Protagonists:


Antagonists:


Daisy is not the protagonist of Mario sports/party games, she is just one of the characters you can choose. Honey Queen, Spike and Baby Rosalina are not protagonists.
She is not an antagonist.
And no, she is not Peach's sidekick.

Even Toadette is a protagonist/sidekick character now, thanks to Treasure Tracker.

What do you think?
I personally think they will not add her, even if she is popular.

Daisy is perfect Alt material but not as her own character. Like how I feel Dry Bowser should have been.
Waluigi would do a far better job encompassing the sports and party games and has more popularity.

 

[Schnee117]

What do you think about Daisy?
I think she is popular, but when you look at the roster:

Spoiler

You only see protagonists, antagonists and protagonist's or antagonist's sidekicks, a.k.a. important characters.
Daisy is just... I don't know, a filler in spin-offs.

Protagonists:


Antagonists:


Daisy is not the protagonist of Mario sports/party games, she is just one of the characters you can choose. Honey Queen, Spike and Baby Rosalina are not protagonists.
She is not an antagonist.
And no, she is not Peach's sidekick.

Even Toadette is a protagonist/sidekick character now, thanks to Treasure Tracker.

What do you think?
I personally think they will not add her, even if she is popular.

Best Daisy can hope for is a proper alt costume for Peach with a flower motif instead of hearts.
Why that wasn't done for this game I don't know.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

I think there will be about 15 characters in Pokken, they're just holding them back.

That would be disappointing, there are so many Pokemon with potential to be playable, and Charizard, Mewtwo and Greninja will probably be playable, meaning that there would be only five slots left.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

I'm adamant that we need another Metroid character before a new Zelda character, personally. At least with Zelda, Link and Ganon we have a thematic idea to sort of look at (the Triforce). Metroid doesn't have that overarching plot element that needs to be showcased, but it does have one of the darkest relationships in Nintendo's library; that between Samus and Ridley. A glorified pinata boss does not adequately show the animosity the two have for each other, and it's one of the biggest plot points for the series that Samus and Ridley have a bloody rivalry that stems from Ridley's actions, and an even bigger part of Samus' backstory is trying to overcome her crippling fear of Ridley in order to stay alive. Not to mention how Ridley is the leader of a military group, the brains behind the Space Pirate's operations and one of Samus' most persistent foes.

Ridley is also dangerously intelligent and highly sadistic, taking thrill in murdering other sentient beings. He's a prominent villain in both the lore and the games, so he's the optimal choice for a new Metroid character; even Rundas and Sylux, as popular as they are, only have one released game to their name. Ridley's been in almost all of the games in the series, only missing out on Metroid II: Return of Samus and Metroid Prime 2: Echoes.

There's really no competetion for Metroid characters without Sakurai in charge. Ridley just sort of is the optimal new Metroid fighter.

 

[Chandeelure]

Best Daisy can hope for is a proper alt costume for Peach with a flower motif instead of hearts.
Why that wasn't done for this game I don't know.

Because Daisy having Peach's poses, personality and Final Smash would not work.
There is a reason why Dark Pit and Lucina are not alts.

 

[Burruni]

Because Daisy having Peach's poses, personality and Final Smash would not work.
There is a reason why Dark Pit and Lucina are not alts.

I think fans would be happier with Daisy having a tier alt work than having nothing but the damn color pallette.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I'm adamant that we need another Metroid character before a new Zelda character, personally. At least with Zelda, Link and Ganon we have a thematic idea to sort of look at (the Triforce). Metroid doesn't have that overarching plot element that needs to be showcased, but it does have one of the darkest relationships in Nintendo's library; that between Samus and Ridley. A glorified pinata boss does not adequately show the animosity the two have for each other, and it's one of the biggest plot points for the series that Samus and Ridley have a bloody rivalry that stems from Ridley's actions, and an even bigger part of Samus' backstory is trying to overcome her crippling fear of Ridley in order to stay alive. Not to mention how Ridley is the leader of a military group, the brains behind the Space Pirate's operations and one of Samus' most persistent foes.

Ridley is also dangerously intelligent and highly sadistic, taking thrill in murdering other sentient beings. He's a prominent villain in both the lore and the games, so he's the optimal choice for a new Metroid character; even Rundas and Sylux, as popular as they are, only have one released game to their name. Ridley's been in almost all of the games in the series, only missing out on Metroid II: Return of Samus and Metroid Prime 2: Echoes.

There's really no competetion for Metroid characters without Sakurai in charge. Ridley just sort of is the optimal new Metroid fighter.

Without Ridley, there is NO other option that works well for Metroid. That said, Zelda is in a good position right now without them changing the status quo in future installments of the franchise.

Because Daisy having Peach's poses, personality and Final Smash would not work.
There is a reason why Dark Pit and Lucina are not alts.

Yes. The reason Dark Pit and Lucina aren't alts is because they decided they had a little extra time to change them up a tiny bit.

 

[FalKoopa]

Without Ridley, there is NO other option that works well for Metroid. That said, Zelda is in a good position right now without them changing the status quo in future installments of the franchise.

Yes. The reason Dark Pit and Lucina aren't alts is because they decided they had a little extra time to change them up a tiny bit.

Sylux seems to be rising, slowly. Especially after being hinted at in Fed. Forces.

 

[Deleted member]

Because Daisy having Peach's poses, personality and Final Smash would not work.
There is a reason why Dark Pit and Lucina are not alts.

How about with andthen, or with ?

All of them don't share the same personalities nor they use the same FS in their canon-universes.

Though I would be for alts having different idle poses and victory poses for the next Smash.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Sylux seems to be rising, slowly. Especially after being hinted at in Fed. Forces.

He's not been hinted at in Fed. Forces, he was hinted at by Tanabe in a discussion about a prospective Metroid Prime 4 in an interview about Federation Forces. But yes, I was going to add Sylux as a note, but at this point in time, Ridley is still the only prospective candidate.

 

[StormC]

Dark Samus would be a decent option for Brawl or 4 but its time has passed, pretty much.

I don't really understand Daisy's merit as a character and think she needs to be in a non-spinoff like Waluigi to be eligible.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He's not been hinted at in Fed. Forces, he was hinted at by Tanabe in a discussion about a prospective Metroid Prime 4 in an interview about Federation Forces.

False. Both happened

 

[Schnee117]

Because Daisy having Peach's poses, personality and Final Smash would not work.
There is a reason why Dark Pit and Lucina are not alts.

Didn't stop the Koopalings from being alts for Bowser Jr.
None of them have been seen in their own Clown Car. None of them have been Shadow Mario. They have their own personalities and poses. They even have different body shapes and sizes.
As @ Burruni said an alt like the Koopalings would be far better than nothing but a colouration.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

What do you think about Daisy?
I think she is popular, but when you look at the roster:

Spoiler

You only see protagonists, antagonists and protagonist's or antagonist's sidekicks, a.k.a. important characters.
Daisy is just... I don't know, a filler in spin-offs.

Protagonists:


Antagonists:

DK (Donkey Kong, Mario vs Donkey Kong), (maybe) R.O.B. (Subspace Emissary) and (maybe) Mario (Donkey Kong Jr.) should be in both protagonists and antagonists.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You know what? I want the Ultimate Chimera return

 

[Schnee117]

You know what? I want the Ultimate Chimera return

New Pork City dlc or I go on a Putsch.
Baffled it didn't return despite being made for 8 player Smash.

 

[Kenith]

What do you think about Daisy?
I think she is popular, but when you look at the roster:

Spoiler

You only see protagonists, antagonists and protagonist's or antagonist's sidekicks, a.k.a. important characters.
Daisy is just... I don't know, a filler in spin-offs.

Protagonists:


Antagonists:


Daisy is not the protagonist of Mario sports/party games, she is just one of the characters you can choose. Honey Queen, Spike and Baby Rosalina are not protagonists.
She is not an antagonist.
And no, she is not Peach's sidekick.

Even Toadette is a protagonist/sidekick character now, thanks to Treasure Tracker.

What do you think?
I personally think they will not add her, even if she is popular.

Daisy is a "sidekick" in one of the Mario games.

 

[Arcanir]

I think there will be about 15 characters in Pokken, they're just holding them back.


Fire Emblem I think is likely to get a Warriors crossover later on.

Maybe, but that depends, how does Tekken typically reveal their character before arcade release? Do they hide some, or do they reveal them all?

Fire Emblem, a Warriors crossover would be awesome.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Daisy is a "sidekick" in one of the Mario games.

There's your problem.

 

[Chandeelure]

Bowser Jr. is not really a good example.
The fighter is the Koopa Clown Car, they don't show their personalities in their moveset because they are 99% of the time inside the vehicle, they just show some personality with their voices.
Olimar has zero personality in Smash, he doesn't even talk, it doesn't affect Alph at all.
And the Koopalings transforming into Shadow Mario thanks to the brush makes much more sense than Daisy using an attack named "Peach Blossom" with some giant Peach things in the screen. The Koopalings and Bowser Jr. are brothers/friends/whatever, they can just share the magic paint brush. I think there is a difference between using just a weapon and using a character's ability.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[Kenith]

I see no problem with a Daisy alt reskinning or renaming Peach's moves.
Don't find it especially likely, but, not impossible.