Character Discussion Thread

[Burruni]

This one gets it~ :3

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but they're the only non-protagonist characters to appear in an important (i.e. in the story itself / not as bonus content) role in more than one game that is not itself a sequel to another game.

In a series like Fire Emblem, that's pretty huge.

Basically.
Because Gaiden is the only game in FE history to happen around the same time as another in the series but hold different characters and be unrelated (and namely had the Whitewings appear as recruitables).
1-3 (1+3 and their remakes 11+12 being Marth's games) take place in what BECOME the continents Ylisse and Valm.
4 & 5 are basically tales within two generations in a massive war.
6 is the... sequel to 7.
8 is unrelated.
9 & 10 are Ike's duology of games.
Awakening... yeah.
And 14 appears completely unrelated with a few character callbacks with incarnations.
Tiki had her long lifespan to thank.
Anna by being part of an identical family that spans the eons of time.

 

[False Sense]

There's more, actually.

Peach's AAA combo, the slaps, is also lifted from there. And so is her heart power.

Furthermore, I believe that some of Mario and Bowser's standard attacks are also borrowed from SMRPG.

 

[Kenith]

Are there any Fire Emblem characters that could work as alts for the existing ones?

 

[False Sense]

Are there any Fire Emblem characters that could work as alts for the existing ones?

Morgan alt for Robin.

Chrom alt for Ike.

Eliwood alt for Roy.

 

[Burruni]

Are there any Fire Emblem characters that could work as alts for the existing ones?

While Hector/Chrom could pretty well work for Ike or Eirika for Lucina, ROY'S FATHER SHOULD BE AN ALT FOR HIS SON.

Edit: HERE ARE THEIR PORTRAITS SIDE BY SIDE

 

[Wolfie557]

This one gets it~ :3

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but they're the only non-protagonist characters to appear in an important (i.e. in the story itself / not as bonus content) role in more than one game that is not itself a sequel to another game.

In a series like Fire Emblem, that's pretty huge.

EDIT: Oh yeah and they're not blue-haired swordfighters and all that jazzmatazz, which, in Fire Emblem, is also pretty huge~

of course.

 

[Wintropy]

Morgan alt for Robin.

Chrom alt for Ike.

Eliwood alt for Roy.

I think Chrom would work better on Roy, to be honest.

Though if that clashed with Eliwood, then yeah, Ike is also a good choice. :3

 

[Kenith]

What about other characters? Like, Leif, or Alm?

 

[False Sense]

I think Chrom would work better on Roy, to be honest.

Though if that clashed with Eliwood, then yeah, Ike is also a good choice. :3

I just went with Ike since I think he has the closest build to Chrom.

I mean, just the Chrom palette swap he has is already very similar to Chrom's actual design (he's got the cape, gloves, even the shoulder-pad on his left arm and the exposed right arm), so making an alt out of him would be relatively simple.

 

[Burruni]

What about other characters? Like, Leif, or Alm?

Leif honestly would be better for an alt to Anna or such because he was someone who used his sword backhanded and fought like a rogue.
Sigurd? More iconic for his spear and namely being on a horse for 90% of the game. Similar case for Ephiram.
Micaiah is pure magic, same situation for Celica, Ellina, or Katarina.
Seliph... is too much of a Samurai styled fighter to work with one of them. Same for Lyn.
Alm... Roy would ironically be the best fit. He was a pretty slender aggressive two handed user.

 

[Champ Gold]

This should be Robin's alt

 

[LightheartedBum]

Now, I don't play much Fire Emblem, so feel free to yell at me for being dumb. The series isn't very close to my heart, and it may be for you guys. I don't want to start a flame war, and want to maintain that I'm being respectful and all that.
I personally feel like we have a perfect amount of FE reps. They all play very differently, and they all flesh out three great archetypes in gameplay. They feel different from one another, but they also feel similar enough that you can tell they're all from the same series. In Sm4sh, I feel like everyone has a fire emblem character they enjoy playing, whether it's the precise Marth, heavy hitting Ike, MAJIKK stage control Robin, or (My personal favorite) da fire sword dude Roy. (Ah yeah, there's Lucina. Love that girl.)
Would these new fire emblem characters bring new enough stuff to the table without feeling too similar to the above?
Maybe this goes to my thought process where I feel the Ballot slot should belong to any fighter that brings something interesting in their playstyle to the table, but how do you guys feel about this? For example, (Now I've only played a few hours of Awakening, so correct me if I'm wrong) wouldn't Chrom just be sort of exactly like Lucina/Marth? If so, I wouldn't support him getting in.

Again, who do you feel from the FE series would be a deserved added rep? Would they play interestingly but still be similar to the other fighters?

Once again, feel free to disagree and stomp me into the ground. I don't want to start anything. Just curious.

EDIT: Seems like someoene 'd me and brought up a thief class above. Sorry, guys. :/

 

[Wintropy]

I just went with Ike since I think he has the closest build to Chrom.

I mean, just the Chrom palette swap he has is already very similar to Chrom's actual design (he's got the cape, gloves, even the shoulder-pad on his left arm and the exposed right arm), so making an alt out of him would be relatively simple.

Oh, of course. Design wise it's perfect.

I'm more so referring to gameplay. Though I think as an alt, he'd fit Ike better aesthetically.

Now, I don't play much Fire Emblem, so feel free to yell at me for being dumb. The series isn't very close to my heart, and it may be for you guys. I don't want to start a flame war, and want to maintain that I'm being respectful and all that.
I personally feel like we have a perfect amount of FE reps. They all play very differently, and they all flesh out three great archetypes in gameplay. They feel different from one another, but they also feel similar enough that you can tell they're all from the same series. In Sm4sh, I feel like everyone has a fire emblem character they enjoy playing, whether it's the precise Marth, heavy hitting Ike, MAJIKK stage control Robin, or (My personal favorite) da fire sword dude Roy. (Ah yeah, there's Lucina. Love that girl.)
Would these new fire emblem characters bring new enough stuff to the table without feeling too similar to the above?
Maybe this goes to my thought process where I feel the Ballot slot should belong to any fighter that brings something interesting in their playstyle to the table, but how do you guys feel about this? For example, (Now I've only played a few hours of Awakening, so correct me if I'm wrong) wouldn't Chrom just be sort of exactly like Lucina/Marth? If so, I wouldn't support him getting in.

Again, who do you feel from the FE series would be a deserved added rep? Would they play interestingly but still be similar to the other fighters?

Once again, feel free to disagree and stomp me into the ground. I don't want to start anything. Just curious.

EDIT: Seems like someoene 'd me and brought up a thief class above. Sorry, guys. :/

I'm glad you asked!

Go ahead and educate yourself!

 

[Kenith]

Leif honestly would be better for an alt to Anna or such because he was someone who used his sword backhanded.
Sigurd? More iconic for his spear and namely being on a horse for 90% of the game. Similar case for Ephiram.
Micaiah is pure magic, same situation for Selica.
Seliph... is too much of a Samurai styled fighter to work with one of them. Same for Lyn.
Alm... Roy would ironically be the best fit.

Which is Alm being a good fit for Roy ironic?

 

[Burruni]

Now, I don't play much Fire Emblem, so feel free to yell at me for being dumb. The series isn't very close to my heart, and it may be for you guys. I don't want to start a flame war, and want to maintain that I'm being respectful and all that.
I personally feel like we have a perfect amount of FE reps. They all play very differently, and they all flesh out three great archetypes in gameplay. They feel different from one another, but they also feel similar enough that you can tell they're all from the same series. In Sm4sh, I feel like everyone has a fire emblem character they enjoy playing, whether it's the precise Marth, heavy hitting Ike, MAJIKK stage control Robin, or (My personal favorite) da fire sword dude Roy. (Ah yeah, there's Lucina. Love that girl.)
Would these new fire emblem characters bring new enough stuff to the table without feeling too similar to the above?
Maybe this goes to my thought process where I feel the Ballot slot should belong to any fighter that brings something interesting in their playstyle to the table, but how do you guys feel about this? For example, (Now I've only played a few hours of Awakening, so correct me if I'm wrong) wouldn't Chrom just be sort of exactly like Lucina/Marth? If so, I wouldn't support him getting in.

Again, who do you feel from the FE series would be a deserved added rep? Would they play interestingly but still be similar to the other fighters?

Once again, feel free to disagree and stomp me into the ground. I don't want to start anything. Just curious.

Here's the issue.

Fire Emblem has 6 prime weapons. Swords , Axes, Spears, Staves, Bows, and Tomes .
Then you go for the "feral" fighters for Manaketes and Taguel/Laguz using dragon breath and beast claws/talons, and occasionally thieves being limited to using small knives.
The issue is that we have 5 characters, 3 of them with the same base moveset, and only one of them using more than a sword. Do Marth, Ike, and Robin play entirely differently? Yes.
But Anna having toted Swords, Spears, Bows, Tomes, Staves, and the new "Hidden Weapons" which are basically Ninja tools would have such an arsenal for diversity better doing it for the series. Being a developper favorite who has missed only one title and has been used heavily in Awakening and with a confirmed playable role in Fates is one of our best options.

Which is Alm being a good fit for Roy ironic?

Because Alm fits ROY's usage of the fighting style but Marth or Lucina would be off in my eyes.

 

[LightheartedBum]

Oh, of course. Design wise it's perfect.

Go ahead and educate yourself!

I shall indeed. x)

Here's the issue.

Fire Emblem has 6 prime weapons. Swords , Axes, Spears, Staves, Bows, and Tomes .
Then you go for the "feral" fighters for Manaketes and Taguel/Laguz using dragon breath and beast claws/talons, and occasionally thieves being limited to using small knives.
But Anna having toted Swords, Spears, Bows, Tomes, Staves, and the new "Hidden Weapons" which are basically Ninja tools would have such an arsenal for diversity better doing it for the series. Being a deveopper favorite who has missed only one title and has been used heavily in Awakening and with a confirmed playable role in Fates is one of our best options.
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You make a compelling argument. Now that I read about it, I can understand how some people would be a bit miffed at the lack of variety in the current reps. Thanks for sharing, I feel like I understand much more now. There's probably some diehard fans of FE who are upset about how even though Fire Emblem has a pretty prominent amount of characters in the Smash games in general, the multitude of fighting styles and potential that's glossed over in favor of more sword wielding characters.
Thanks for the reply.

edit: Agh! I meant to edit my last post to add this! Dx Dx Dx can someone remove the above post? Sorry, guys.

 

[Burruni]

You make a compelling argument. Now that I read about it, I can understand how some people would be a bit miffed at the lack of variety in the current reps. Thanks for sharing, I feel like I understand much more now. There's probably some diehard fans of FE who are upset about how even though Fire Emblem has a pretty prominent amount of characters in the Smash games in general, the multitude of fighting styles and potential that's glossed over in favor of more sword wielding characters.
Thanks for the reply.

edit: Agh! I meant to edit my last post to add this! Dx Dx Dx can someone remove the above post? Sorry, guys.

You edit, copy paste one message into the other, and then report whicever one you copied as a double post

 

[LightheartedBum]

You edit, copy paste one message into the other, and then report whicever one you copied as a double post

Thanks. Still the new kid on the block.

 

[FalKoopa]

Thanks. Still the new kid on the block.

Or simply report one of them. I can merge posts.

 

[Champ Gold]

Well I found the perfect Second Sega rep.

 

[Burruni]

Well I found the perfect Second Sega rep.


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Yo.
Skies of Arcadia was pretty sweet.
But there's a better option.

DUDE STARRED IN A VIRTUAL BOY GAME FOR GOD'S SAKE.

Edit: "In total, 22 Virtual Boy games were released; only 14 made it to North America."
JACK BROS IS ONE OF THOSE 14.
IF THAT ISN'T A PLACE IN NINTENDO HISTORY I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS

 

[Bowserlick]

I am surprised there has not been a Birdo (Yoshi clone) in the series yet.

 

[Kenith]

Well I found the perfect Second Sega rep.
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Dude looks cool.
Personally though...that chick on the right has my attention.

If SEGA got a second character my hope is for it to be Blaze the Cat or a PSO character though.

 

[LightheartedBum]

Well I found the perfect Second Sega rep.

YOOOOOO this guy. My favorite turn based RPG of all time.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I am surprised there has not been a Birdo (Yoshi clone) in the series yet.

What so Yoshi's Neutral B but done with Dedede's Inhale?

 

[Champ Gold]

Yo.
Skies of Arcadia was pretty sweet.
But there's a better option.

DUDE STARRED IN A VIRTUAL BOY GAME FOR GOD'S SAKE.

Edit: "In total, 22 Virtual Boy games were released; only 14 made it to North America."
JACK BROS IS ONE OF THOSE 14.
IF THAT ISN'T A PLACE IN NINTENDO HISTORY I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS

I seriously want this game to be remastered and ported. And also I'm cool with Jack Frost in Smash plus we can get Persona music in Smash

Dude looks cool.
Personally though...that chick on the right has my attention.

If SEGA got a second character my hope is for it to be Blaze the Cat or a PSO character though.

Which one? Blondie or Sticks the Badge...er I mean Aika

 

[DustyPumpkin]

http://dustypumpkin.tumblr.com/image/122862369657

Lot of Gems on Tumblr

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yo.
Skies of Arcadia was pretty sweet.
But there's a better option.

DUDE STARRED IN A VIRTUAL BOY GAME FOR GOD'S SAKE.

Edit: "In total, 22 Virtual Boy games were released; only 14 made it to North America."
JACK BROS IS ONE OF THOSE 14.
IF THAT ISN'T A PLACE IN NINTENDO HISTORY I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS

Jack Frost is not only an iconic mascot but also had his own game. Suck it Geno. I want Geno to die out. Oh wait, SE already did that for me.

Can I have a summary of thing Jack Frost can do? He already looks nifty enough but I don't know much about him

 

[Deleted member]

I think the only second Sega character that might be acceptable to me is Jack Frost from the Megami Tensei series since he's the mascot of that franchise. Even then, that's a stretch since that's more like representing Atlus and there are better third-party choices out there to go after.

Are there any Fire Emblem characters that could work as alts for the existing ones?

Lucina should be an alt for Marth. Isn't the only difference Lucina has is a lack of a sweetstop on her sword? She's totally redundant now with Roy being in.

 

[Schnee117]

Jack Frost is not only an iconic mascot but also had his own game. Suck it Geno. I want Geno to die out. Oh wait, SE already did that for me.

Can I have a summary of thing Jack Frost can do? He already looks nifty enough but I don't know much about him

Ice based attacks. Lots of them.
Plus some stat boosters and an insta death attack (Final Smash material).
Pretty cool demon if you ask me.

 

[Burruni]

Jack Frost is not only an iconic mascot but also had his own game. Suck it Geno. I want Geno to die out. Oh wait, SE already did that for me.

Can I have a summary of thing Jack Frost can do? He already looks nifty enough but I don't know much about him

Well.
Jack Frost as a basis has, of course, the variants of what you want to do with Ice Magic (Bufu).
Hell, Atlus giving ArcSys the rights to this did an interesting job with Mitsuru's moveset in P4 Arena as is.

But given the way that demon fusion and what not happens to CREATE your stronger units in SMT as a whole, you then have the fact of him getting easy access to elemental power to Thunder (Zio) and Wind (Garu) easily... I think even Hama & Mudo (Light & Dark, basically limited to the Instant Kills of the series)

Off the basis of Jack Bros., you have the two other major Jacks to pool out some tools from. Pyro Jack with his lantern of eternal flame (And the slaptstick comedy routine often done as a special move WITH Jack Frost which was one of the few dual persoa skills in Persona 3) and Jack Skeleton with his killer knife. (sometimes given the naming of Jack the Ripper)

Spoiler

And ontop of that, you have the... "Special Frosts" that have been made across the series.

King Frost whose fights are often associated with HORDES of Jacks to be fought (could be replaced with the "Petit Frosts" from the Devil Kid series)

Spoiler

A Super Sentai styled hero alter ego of Frost Ace which was basically a more powerful version with a couple smoke bombs to help create dynamic entries

Spoiler

The Full Metal Shell super soilder of the Demonee-Ho.

The Fusion of Jack Frost and one of the series most iconic figures in general mythos and SMT lore, Lucifrost

And lastly, "Raiho" basically Jack Frost taking the appearance of the protagonist from the Devil Survivor subseries and SMT 3 who could then be as simple method of him summoning iconic demons from the SMT verse like Duck Hunt with the Wild Gunmen.

Spoiler

In short, you have a Cosplay Pikachu with less popularity but semi-canonical ability to a wide spread of elemental abilities and summoning.

 

[Kenith]

Lucina should be an alt for Marth. Isn't the only difference Lucina has is a lack of a sweetstop on her sword? She's totally redundant now with Roy being in.

Yeah I kinda wish she had a tipper.
But I don't agree she's redundant with Roy coming back at all. Lucina has far more merit as a character, Roy's comes entirely from Melee nostalgia.

 

[FalKoopa]

Yeah I kinda wish she had a tipper.
But I don't agree she's redundant with Roy coming back at all. Lucina has far more merit as a character, Roy's comes entirely from Melee nostalgia.

Thing is, she's less original than Roy right now.

I don't see a whole lot of difference though, being Marth expies from their own games.

 

[Kenith]

Thing is, she's less original than Roy right now.
I don't see a whole lot of difference though, being Marth expies from their own games.

Saying Roy is what makes her redundant is backwards.
It's not Lucina is getting demoted to an alt because Roy was DLC, and there's no guarantee either are in the next game.

 

[Burruni]

Thing is, she's less original than Roy right now.

I don't see a whole lot of difference though, being Marth expies from their own games.

Roy's a super popular character due to mainly (I'd say 70/30) Melee while his game is was a high-selling rebirth onto the series on the GBA which every friggin' map was rout the enemy where he stops a dark dragon from being revived when his father is killed who got Marth's moveset because he's a last minute clone.

Lucina's a super popular character where she came in halfway into her game which was a high-selling rebirth for the series on the 3DS which almost every friggin' map was rout the enemy where she TRAVELS BACK IN TIME to stop a dark dragon from being revived FROM A FUTURE when her father is killed who got Marth's movset because she's a last minute clone.

What's there not to get!

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah I kinda wish she had a tipper.
But I don't agree she's redundant with Roy coming back at all. Lucina has far more merit as a character, Roy's comes entirely from Melee nostalgia.

Roy's merit doesn't just come from Smash. His game (Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword) IIRC was the third best selling Fire Emblem game and it was highly critically acclaimed. Lucina is probably the most superfluous character on the roster after perhaps Dark Pit. Fire Emblem: Awakening does not need two characters nor does it need five characters.

 

[Kenith]

Roy's merit doesn't just come from Smash. His game (Fire Emblem: Blazing Sword) IIRC was the third best selling Fire Emblem game and it was highly critically acclaimed. Lucina is probably the most superfluous character on the roster after perhaps Dark Pit. Fire Emblem: Awakening does not need two characters nor does it need five characters.

Read above. Saying she's redundant because of Roy is completely backwards. I'm talking about DLC anyway.
Besides that...look at who you're talking to mate.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Yo.
Skies of Arcadia was pretty sweet.
But there's a better option.

DUDE STARRED IN A VIRTUAL BOY GAME FOR GOD'S SAKE.

Edit: "In total, 22 Virtual Boy games were released; only 14 made it to North America."
JACK BROS IS ONE OF THOSE 14.
IF THAT ISN'T A PLACE IN NINTENDO HISTORY I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS

Jack Frost is one of the few 3rd parties I'd be okay with, along with Black Mage.

 

[Bowserlick]

I have a feeling that FE is done in terms of characters.

I think DLC are probably going to center around third-party and other franchises that have a popular character, but have not received one in this edition.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I have a feeling that FE is done in terms of characters.

I think DLC are probably going to center around third-party and other franchises that have a popular character, but have not received one in this edition.

>Literally only 2 of the many weapon classes represented
>Long lasting franchise that's been very successful lately
Unless you were talking about DLC, I shall laugh at your point
Also, Jack Frost looks neat! No ice themed fighters yet (RIP IC)