Character Discussion Thread

[NonSpecificGuy]

Adding paper Mario and fawful before Geno is like adding Yooka-laylee before banjo-kazooie nothing beat the original also I have seen a lot of people that have been voting for Geno

Except for the fact that Nintendo actually owns Paper Mario and Fawful and/or the companies that own them. Nostalgia is great, but money is better. People would much rather pay for a beloved character fresh in their minds than for a one-off side character in a game that came out nearly 20 years ago. The a lot of people you are referring to do not, in anyway, come close to the amount of votes other characters are receiving. I can think of 5 characters right off the top of my head that I'm positive are receiving more votes than Geno. Isaac, K. Rool, Shauntae, Krystal, Rayman, so on, and so forth.

It's absolutely awesome that you are so dedicated to your favorite character! Don't let the nostalgia and bias over shadow fair judgement, though. I'm sure you have some great arguments and ideas for why Geno should join.

 

[FalKoopa]

Adding paper Mario and fawful before Geno is like adding Yooka-laylee before banjo-kazooie nothing beat the original also I have seen a lot of people that have been voting for Geno

That's like saying Pokémon from later generations shouldn't be added because Gen I was the original. Paper Mario and Fawful have much longer histories than Geno, and are quite fresh, to boot.

 

[Schnee117]

Adding paper Mario and fawful before Geno is like adding Yooka-laylee before banjo-kazooie nothing beat the original

Yooka Laylee hasn't even come out yet. The only reason they're more likely than Banjo is simple. Microsoft, one of Nintendo's direct (huehue) competitors, owns Banjo.

Paper Mario is the titular character of the series with the same name. Not to mention he's been in 5 games (if we include Paper Jam).

Fawful has 3 appearances in the M&L series. His first one was as Cackletta's lackey in SSS before being a shopkeeper for the babies in PiT. Then he was the main antagonist of BIS.
And they belong to Nintendo.

Maybe if Geno had more significant appearances and actually was a Nintendo property.

 

[Geno Boost]

Yooka Laylee hasn't even come out yet. The only reason they're more likely than Banjo is simple. Microsoft, one of Nintendo's direct (huehue) competitors, owns Banjo.

Paper Mario is the titular character of the series with the same name. Not to mention he's been in 5 games (if we include Paper Jam).

Fawful has 3 appearances in the M&L series. His first one was as Cackletta's lackey in SSS before being a shopkeeper for the babies in PiT. Then he was the main antagonist of BIS.
And they belong to Nintendo.

Maybe if Geno had more significant appearances and actually was a Nintendo property.

Smash can give Geno a future he can't appear in another Mario game because of the copyright issue but it will be fixed if smash at least did give him a trophy so yeah he is in the same situation as banjo but not very complicated as banjo

 

[Kenith]

Adding Paper Mario before adding Geno is more like adding Knuckles the Echidna before Mighty the Armadillo.
One may have appeared before the other, but his incredibly minor appearances don't hold a candle to a character that is well reknown with far more appearances.

This.
Paper Mario is Mario. That automatically makes him infinitely more iconic than Geno. He also has his own series...

 

[Deleted member]

ITT European players don't exist.

 

[Geno Boost]

Adding Paper Mario before adding Geno is more like adding Knuckles the Echidna before Mighty the Armadillo.

One may have appeared before the other, but his incredibly minor appearances don't hold a candle to a character that is well reknown with far more appearances.

Not even close SMRPG was more important to Nintendo than Mario paper seires. paper Mario wasn't even going to exist without SMRPG

 

[Kenith]

ITT European players don't exist.

I really want some data on characters EU fans want...

 

[Deleted member]

I really want some data on characters EU fans want...

Like for US and Japan, Isaac and K. Rool are among the most wanted.

Krystal's possibilities is also much more appreciated in Europe... until SF Zero happened.

And, as unreleased games such as Super Mario RPG and Mother 3 are only known by the most devoted fans, characters like Geno have next to zero consideration.

 

[Geno Boost]

Like for US and Japan, Isaac and K. Rool are among the most wanted.

Krystal's possibilities is also much more appreciated in Europe... until SF Zero happened.

And, as unreleased games such as Super Mario RPG and Mother 3 are only known by the most devoted fans, characters like Geno have next to zero consideration.

SMRPG was released worldwide in wii eshop

 

[YoshiandToad]

Not even close SMRPG was more important to Nintendo than Mario paper seires. paper Mario wasn't even going to exist without SMRPG

It's really not anymore though. Hence why Geno and Mallow aren't owned by Nintendo.

SMRPG was released worldwide in wii eshop

The eShop releases don't really get a big advertising boost by Nintendo though, so unless people knew to look for SMRPG before, chances are they haven't heard of it.

I really want some data on characters EU fans want...

I noticed a lot of the Captain Toad thread seems to consist of UK residents,. I'd like to see some proper EU results though. I have a feeling we'd be surprised by the differences between US and EU fans opinions if only going by their different opinions on Tingle.

 

[Deleted member]

SMRPG was released worldwide in wii eshop

I do know that, but its release on the original Wii was quite inconspicuous, not like with the current releases on eShop.

 

[Geno Boost]

It's really not anymore though. Hence why Geno and Mallow aren't owned by Nintendo.



The eShop releases don't really get a big advertising boost by Nintendo though, so unless people knew to look for SMRPG before, chances are they haven't heard of it.



I noticed a lot of the Captain Toad thread seems to consist of UK residents,. I'd like to see some proper EU results though. I have a feeling we'd be surprised by the differences between US and EU fans opinions if only going by their different opinions on Tingle.

It's not Anymore huh? Then we should forget about those If your saying anymore
Most people who did buy it on the wii eshop are from Europe even a youtuber from Europe did make a video about Geno history

 

[Diddy Kong]

I don't think the EU is that much different from the US in terms of which characters we like. I was of the opinion, that before Isaac got all this attention, Golden Sun's strongest fanbase was in the EU, rather than US. But guess it's about even. All I knew beforehands is that Mega Man was never a strongly requested character in EU. Ridley also never hit the point of obsession in Europe either. Guess most popular characters here would be King K.Rool, Isaac, Dixie Kong, (Captain) Toad and other first / second party characters.

 

[Schnee117]

It's not Anymore huh? Then we should forget about those If your saying anymore
Most people who did buy it on the wii eshop are from Europe even a youtuber from Europe did make a video about Geno history

Yes let's forget about because the NES Zapper totally wasn't a thing.
Let's forget about because it's not like he's named after a series of handhelds.
Let's forget about who was an accessory for the NES.

Geno has nothing on those 3.

 

[FalKoopa]

even a youtuber from Europe did make a video about Geno history

You make it sound like it's something huge...

 

[Geno Boost]

Yes let's forget about because the NES Zapper totally wasn't a thing.
Let's forget about because it's not like he's named after a series of handhelds.
Let's forget about who was an accessory for the NES..

That's what am I saying because we shouldn't use the word "not important anymore"

You make it sound like it's something huge...

Not really huge but that at least shows Europe that they care about him and make the character reconizable more

EDIT: sorry double post

 

[FalKoopa]

Not really huge but that at least shows Europe that they care about him and make the character reconizable more

But it's just one guy among the millions of fans. You can't really have literally one person speak for the entire continent.

 

[Schnee117]

That's what am I saying because we shouldn't use the word "not important anymore"

But they are. They have been important and will continue to be important to Nintendo for a very long time.

- Light Gun series. Quite the influence considering Time Crisis, House of the Dead and Resident Evil Umbrella/Darkside Chronicles. There was also the Wii Zapper accessory. Duck Hunt also appears in Warioware a fair bit.
- An entire series of handhelds and constant appearances afterwards in the Game and Watch galleries with cameos here and there.
- An accessory for the NES in case it didn't sort out the crash and constant appearances in Wario, Pikmin 2, Star Fox, F-Zero and he was even playable in Mario Kart DS.

We're constantly reminded of these characters through their constant appearances in other games. They don't need to be important now. They need to be important to Nintendo in general.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not really huge but that at least shows Europe that they care about him and make the character reconizable more

EDIT: sorry double post

Be assured that about 80% of Mario fans in Europe have missed out on Super Mario RPG though.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

We're discussing Geno again? Geno really can't be compared with DHD, R.O.B. and Mr. G & W, because they represent something important in Nintendo's history (more important than SMRPG) plus they're completely owned by Nintendo.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Not even close SMRPG was more important to Nintendo than Mario paper seires. paper Mario wasn't even going to exist without SMRPG

But which of the two series got three sequels?
Not Geno.

That's what am I saying because we shouldn't use the word "not important anymore"

Let's use the words "Third Party" instead.

What grinds my gears about Geno is the notion that he should be used to "represent" Super Mario RPG.
Now I disagree.

If we'd have characters to represent each substantial game in Nintendo's history, we'd have Baby Wario/Baby Donkey Kong to represent Yoshi's Island DS.

While Yoshi and potentionally Baby Mario could do that fine on their own.

And that's where my doubt lies.
We already have a few Super Mario RPG reps.

Mario, the protagonist and party members Peach and Bowser already appear in Smash Bros., with Peach using moves pulled directly from SMRPG.

Don't apply everything about SMRPG on Geno, because he wasn't the protagonist, Mario was.
SMRPG isn't his game, Paper Mario and all other Mario RPG's would've existed fine without Geno.

Geno isn't the grandpappy of the Mario RPGs, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars is.
Geno just appears in it.

 

[Diddy Kong]

We're discussing Geno again? Geno really can't be compared with DHD, R.O.B. and Mr. G & W, because they represent something important in Nintendo's history (more important than SMRPG) plus they're completely owned by Nintendo.

Has someone really made this comparison?

 

[Schnee117]

Has someone really made this comparison?

No prizes for guessing who:

Spoiler

 

[WeirdChillFever]

This whole rep thing makes me wanna support Toy Mario to represent Mario vs DK, despite both Mario and DK appearing in Smash already.

But that would be an unfair comparison.

Mario vs DK has multiple games.

 

[Geno Boost]

But which of the two series got three sequels?
Not Geno.



Let's use the words "Third Party" instead.

What grinds my gears about Geno is the notion that he should be used to "represent" Super Mario RPG.
Now I disagree.

If we'd have characters to represent each substantial game in Nintendo's history, we'd have Baby Wario/Baby Donkey Kong to represent Yoshi's Island DS.

While Yoshi and potentionally Baby Mario could do that fine on their own.

And that's where my doubt lies.
We already have a few Super Mario RPG reps.

Mario, the protagonist and party members Peach and Bowser already appear in Smash Bros., with Peach using moves pulled directly from SMRPG.

Don't apply everything about SMRPG on Geno, because he wasn't the protagonist, Mario was.
SMRPG isn't his game, Paper Mario and all other Mario RPG's would've existed fine without Geno.

Geno isn't the grandpappy of the Mario RPGs, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars is.
Geno just appears in it.

But Mario and peach and bowser weren't "originally" from SMRPG a character that's "new" to the game is the one that "represent" the game if the character was playable and I didn't say paper Mario and Mario and luigi wouldn't exist without Geno

 

[YoshiandToad]

I wonder if fans of Mallow ever get annoyed no one bothers to speak about him...

 

[Schnee117]

But Mario and peach and bowser weren't "originally" from SMRPG a character that's "new" to the game is the one that "represent" the game and I didn't say paper Mario and Mario and luigi wouldn't exist without Geno

Not even close SMRPG was more important to Nintendo than Mario paper seires. paper Mario wasn't even going to exist without SMRPG

You may as well be saying that considering the logic you're going with.

Guess we need the Dark Key thing from Super Pokemon Rumble to represent that game then.

 

[Geno Boost]

You may as well be saying that considering the logic you're going with.

Guess we need the Dark Key thing from Super Pokemon Rumble to represent that game then.

I said SMRPG but not Geno

 

[Schnee117]

I said SMRPG but not Geno

"You may as well be saying that considering the logic you're going with"

But Mario and peach and bowser weren't "originally" from SMRPG a character that's "new" to the game is the one that "represent" the game if the character was playable

 

[Wolfie557]

Objectio pics are overrated.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Thank god he didn't say that, because it'd be totally illogical.

The only way Paper Mario would be created due to the existence of Geno is if Gaz's puppet was thrown into a wood chipper and Paper Mario was pulped from his remains.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

My thoughts on Geno are:
It won't happen for DLC especially because they would have to go through two legal hoops instead of one just to make fans happy. If just Geno got in a lot of fans would be mad because it isn't Slime, Black Mage, or Sora...Though mostly Black Mage and Sora.
Personally I think Paper Mario stands on it's own, but the Mario & Luigi series was made because they can't make another Super Mario RPG. (Though this is coming from the person who thought Super Mario RPG was a real time strategy game.)

I'd kinda like to see a game where you can play as anyone you want. (No not 3D World. Though I think that's a close as we are going to get.)

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Hah, isn't that gif in your signature from Alpharad? That moment made me laugh so hard. Immediately sent the clip to a few friends.

EDIT: To the K Rool picture: gross

It sure is.Really funny moment

 

[Geno Boost]

My thoughts on Geno are:
It won't happen for DLC especially because they would have to go through two legal hoops instead of one just to make fans happy. If just Geno got in a lot of fans would be mad because it isn't Slime, Black Mage, or Sora...Though mostly Black Mage and Sora.
Personally I think Paper Mario stands on it's own, but the Mario & Luigi series was made because they can't make another Super Mario RPG. (Though this is coming from the person who thought Super Mario RPG was a real time strategy game.)

I'd kinda like to see a game where you can play as anyone you want. (No not 3D World. Though I think that's a close as we are going to get.)

Nobody knows if it's going to happen or not
Mario paper original name was super Mario RPG 2 it was going to be a squel to the first game but... Square

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Deeming a character more likely because of a hypothetical situation doesn't work.

And again, that Super Mario RPG was semi-important doesn't mean Geno is.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I really want some data on characters EU fans want...

Being from the only UK country with a Dragon on it's Flag I can definitly say,
We want a more dragons,
Specifically those of the space variety.
....
.....
By which I mean Ridley, Vote Ridley

 

[YoshiandToad]

Being from the only UK country with a Dragon on it's Flag I can definitly say,
We want a more dragons,
Specifically those of the space variety.
....
.....
By which I mean Ridley, Vote Ridley

Ridley red recolour required.

 

[Geno Boost]

Deeming a character more likely because of a hypothetical situation doesn't work.

And again, that Super Mario RPG was semi-important doesn't mean Geno is.

Yeah but at least he was important in the game and did a great job there just like shiek

 

[Wolfie557]

Ridley red recolour required.

I want a Green one.