Character Discussion Thread

[Cutie Gwen]

It's speculated to be his up smash.

That would be awesome, but I do find it suspicious that the character who almost Lucas's entire moveset is inspired by isnt referenced in an alt but his other party members are.

The ****ing cute as hell dino baby got on his shirt. Kumatora didn't

 

[A Distant Demon]

I still don't know what SFM means
Lucas uses Rope Snake, and after research, Kumatora can dig enemies. What's Lucas' Dthrow animation again?

Source Film Maker. Gmod but better for making quality stuff.

Prettys sure Lucas never used Rope snake. It was Duster.

I think people say it is PK ground. ( he fake buries enemies) one of Kumatora's moves

Also PM liked Wess's dance enough

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Source Film Maker. Gmod but better for making quality stuff.

Prettys sure Lucas never used Rope snake. It was Duster.

I think people say it is PK ground. ( he fake buries enemies) one of Kumatora's moves

Also PM liked Wess's dance enough

I meant to write other things but cut out Duster.
I'd actually pay for a Kumatora alt now, full on alt instead of a costume
This alone boosted my interest in the franchise. That dance 3sexy5meh

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I think the reason Kumatora wasn't referenced as an alternative color for Lucas was simply because she's a girl and Lucas is a boy. Robin's alternative colors for both genders only reference other characters that share their gender with them, for instance.

Edit: the closest exception is Captain Falcon's pink alternative color, referencing Jody Summer. To my knowledge he's the only one referencing someone with the opposite gender however.

On the topic of Mother, it bothers me whenever people say the series is "dead." The word I use is "finished." This is because despite how there will no longer be any sequels the fanbase is still alive and celebrating the series constantly, and as a part of that fanbase I can reassure you it's out of genuine love and not some sort of desperate wishes for continuation of the series. The closest equivalent to that is asking Nintendo (nicely, believe it or not) to please release the remaining Mother games worldwide. And we think it's working too, with EarthBound Beginnings finally coming out recently. Patience and a mature, professional attitude really pays off.

#NintenOrPorkyForSmashEvenIfItMayNeverHappenLol

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think the reason Kumatora wasn't referenced as an alternative color for Lucas was simply because she's a girl and Lucas is a boy. Robin's alternative colors for both genders only reference other characters that share their gender with them, for instance.

On the topic of Mother, it bothers me whenever people say the series is "dead." The word I use is "finished." This is because despite how there will no longer be any sequels the fanbase is still alive and celebrating the series constantly, and as a part of that fanbase I can reassure you its out of genuine love and not some sort of desperate wishes for continuation of the series. The closest equivalent to that is asking Nintendo (nicely, believe it or not) to please release the remaining Mother games worldwide. And we think it's working too, with EarthBound Beginnings finally coming out recently. Patience and a mature, professional attitude really pays off.

#NintenOrPorkyForSmashEvenIfItMayNeverHappenLol

That's discriminating to heterosexuals /s
Kumatora is without a doubt manlier than Lucas, popularity, I'm not certain though Smash helps Lucas. I feel like it's a dumb reason, especially as how similar they look to begin with, only difference is Kumatora wears some dress, though a pallete swap with pink hair wouldn't hurt

 

[MainJPW]

#NintenOrPorkyForSmashEvenIfItMayNeverHappenLol

I would love if either of these characters get included.
Ninten to complete the main protagonist trio and Porky to have a non Psi move set and villian.

 

[FalKoopa]

I think the reason Kumatora wasn't referenced as an alternative color for Lucas was simply because she's a girl and Lucas is a boy. Robin's alternative colors for both genders only reference other characters that share their gender with them, for instance.

Edit: the closest exception is Captain Falcon's pink alternative color, referencing Jody Summer. To my knowledge he's the only one referencing someone with the opposite gender however.

On the topic of Mother, it bothers me whenever people say the series is "dead." The word I use is "finished." This is because despite how there will no longer be any sequels the fanbase is still alive and celebrating the series constantly, and as a part of that fanbase I can reassure you its out of genuine love and not some sort of desperate wishes for continuation of the series. The closest equivalent to that is asking Nintendo (nicely, believe it or not) to please release the remaining Mother games worldwide. And we think it's working too, with EarthBound Beginnings finally coming out recently. Patience and a mature, professional attitude really pays off.

#NintenOrPorkyForSmashEvenIfItMayNeverHappenLol

I'd love to see Porky.

His boss fight in the SSE was imo, the ultimate Mother series fanservice in Smash Bros till date. Ness and Lucas up against their arch-nemesis with Porky's Theme playing... nothing can really top that, unless Porky is playable of course.

 

[MainJPW]

only difference is Kumatora wears some dress, though a pallete swap with pink hair wouldn't hurt

It's a hooded jacket btw, and she's a bit taller too, though it probably wouldn't matter.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I would love if either of these characters get included.
Ninten to complete the main protagonist trio and Porky to have a non Psi move set and villian.

I'd love to see Porky.

His boss fight in the SSE was imo, the ultimate Mother series fanservice in Smash Bros till date. Ness and Lucas up against their arch-nemesis with Porky's Theme playing... nothing can really top that, unless Porky is playable of course.

Yep, haha. Now that Beginnings is here in America some kids might like to see the first protagonist in Smash, though I imagine not many people unfortunately. Porky might be more likely and he'd be different compared to the PSI kids, being a mech character kind of like Bowser Jr.

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I believe people were also discussing possible Square Enix characters in Smash. It's pretty hard to say which non-Cloud SE character is a "gaming icon" but if we ignore that qualifier there's plenty of fun choices.

• If we want to reference the very first Final Fantasy and thus a Warrior of Light, the Black Mage could be chosen simply because he's the most readily remembered class due to usefulness and neat design. If the Black Mage is too general of a pick for some (he's reoccurring in Final Fantasy, but not always and people might rather see a proper character than a vague stand-in) then the two most popular Nintendo Final Fantasies could offer their protagonists, Cecil from IV or Terra from VI. I'd be happy with Terra more but people like Cecil as well, but the point is both are very fondly remembered and each could offer something unique to Smash. Cecil could have a kind of high risk and reward thing where his attacks do plenty of damage but he does damage to himself over time, and Terra could briefly become a more powerful version of herself while in Esper form whIle also possibly standing in for Black Mage by using offensive Final Fantasy magic spells. Either thing could be cool.
• I'm sad that Dragon Quest isn't all that well played here in America (lots know about it but few have given the series a chance) because either Erdrick from the first game or Slime as the series mascot would be cool choices. I'm not so sure about unique gameplay mechanics, but as a big fan of the series just putting them in Smash as general fighters would be enough for me personally. Plus, Dragon Quest is more closely related to Nintendo than Final Fantasy has been in recent years, with only 2 of its main games on Playstation (and even then they're getting 3DS remakes in Japan). I'd be more excited for them over a Final Fantasy character to be honest, but I guess that's a view only I hold.
• Like with the Dragon Quest characters, Crono from Chrono Trigger would be amazing but unfortunately I don't see it happening. Again he'd be more of a general fighter but I'd love to see him anyway. He's who I voted for on the Smash Ballot, even if he isn't likely, just because I love him so <3
• As for more recent characters, there's Neku from The World Ends With You and a character from Bravely Default. The former is very memorable coming from one of the best and most unique games Square Enix has put out and the latter would be from a series that is currently enjoying good success recently on the Nintendo 3DS. Both are good choices, the latter moreso mostly since Bravely Default is currently on a lot of people's minds at the moment, being a very recent series. Fun fact--the series came about as a spiritual successor to a Final Fantasy spin off called Final Fantasy: The Four Warriors of Light, a little known gem on the Nintendo DS. They share a similar art style and everything.

Sora wasn't discussed because he's owned by Disney, not Square Enix, from what I've heard.

Despite all the elaboration above, I'm sad to say none of those characters are the "gaming icon" that the other third-parties here in Smash are . Again, Square Enix's only real gaming icon worldwide is Cloud from Final Fantasy VII, but since that game has never been on Nintendo systems (Unlike Snake who's had a number of Metal Gear games on Nintendo systems) and since he isn't popular among my fellow Nintendo fans for his recent portrayals rather than being true to his well-designed original FF VII self, he's probably not going to happen.

All of this is to say that despite the prospect being fun, a Square Enix character probably will not happen. It makes me kind of sad, as some of their games have been a part of my childhood growing up and would love to see them in Smash, but oh well.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

PK Love is in smash?
What will happen is that Mother 3 gets remade on NX and Kumatora is in Smash 5 with an original moveset and the Wess dance in her victory screen

PK Love is all the PK Lucas uses for regular Attacks, at least that's what's commonly accepted

 

[JaidynReiman]

I believe people were also discussing possible Square Enix characters in Smash. It's pretty hard to say which non-Cloud SE character is a "gaming icon" but if we ignore that qualifier there's plenty of fun choices.

I don't even consider Cloud a gaming icon. All the other "gaming icons" you've listed are the stars of massively long franchises. Cloud is the star of... one game and one movie. One extremely POPULAR game, but I don't see how that magically makes him a "gaming icon."


If any FF character were to get in I'd like to see Terra, personally (at least her original title was on SNES). Though most would probably just say Black Mage, which can't really be counted as a character, really. Its a class in the series.

 

[False Sense]

I think the reason Kumatora wasn't referenced as an alternative color for Lucas was simply because she's a girl and Lucas is a boy. Robin's alternative colors for both genders only reference other characters that share their gender with them, for instance.

Edit: the closest exception is Captain Falcon's pink alternative color, referencing Jody Summer. To my knowledge he's the only one referencing someone with the opposite gender however.

Well, there's also Shulk.

 

[Wolfie557]

As much as I like slime and what not.
Square Enix has been so bold to say Dragon Quest is dead in the west.
Final Fantasy has always been the more dominant, more iconic series.
And let's face it...
Black Mage despite "just being a class," is still a very iconic design for the series no matter how they alter it game to game.
And given that we got classic & and most based on SF2, I feel like Nintendo would push a FF character from 1-6 (who has appeared in two Mario sports games at this point) than, say, Cloud.
I just feel like of Square Enix's series, Final Fantasy really can't be argued to be anything less than the single largest one.
Of them, Black Mage has been used if not as a direct class, then by giving the classic design a cameo in the game or hell even DLC costumes in the case of one of 13's sequels.
Bravely Default, aka "We don't want to CALL this Final Fantasy but it's Final Fantasy" even uses this as a staple.
A long-running, iconic FF character/design going back to the NES days and being used up to FF14 and Bravely Second (hell, Nobou Uematsu NAMED HIS BAND AFTER THEM) and had a playable role in some Mario titles? Seems like a good pick to me.

I consider Final Fantasy more of a Sony franchise right now.

 

[Bowserlick]

A Moogle that attacks with dances would be awesome.

 

[Kenith]

I consider Final Fantasy more of a Sony franchise right now.

I consider Metal Gear more of a Sony franchise too. That's why Snake wasn't in Brawl.

 

[Wolfie557]

Yep, haha. Now that Beginnings is here in America some kids might like to see the first protagonist in Smash, though I imagine not many people unfortunately. Porky might be more likely and he'd be different compared to the PSI kids, being a mech character kind of like Bowser Jr.

---

I believe people were also discussing possible Square Enix characters in Smash. It's pretty hard to say which non-Cloud SE character is a "gaming icon" but if we ignore that qualifier there's plenty of fun choices.

• If we want to reference the very first Final Fantasy and thus a Warrior of Light, the Black Mage could be chosen simply because he's the most readily remembered class due to usefulness and neat design. If the Black Mage is too general of a pick for some (he's reoccurring in Final Fantasy, but not always and people might rather see a proper character than a vague stand-in) then the two most popular Nintendo Final Fantasies could offer their protagonists, Cecil from IV or Terra from VI. I'd be happy with Terra more but people like Cecil as well, but the point is both are very fondly remembered and each could offer something unique to Smash. Cecil could have a kind of high risk and reward thing where his attacks do plenty of damage but he does damage to himself over time, and Terra could briefly become a more powerful version of herself while in Esper form whIle also possibly standing in for Black Mage by using offensive Final Fantasy magic spells. Either thing could be cool.
• I'm sad that Dragon Quest isn't all that well played here in America (lots know about it but few have given the series a chance) because either Erdrick from the first game or Slime as the series mascot would be cool choices. I'm not so sure about unique gameplay mechanics, but as a big fan of the series just putting them in Smash as general fighters would be enough for me personally. Plus, Dragon Quest is more closely related to Nintendo than Final Fantasy has been in recent years, with only 2 of its main games on Playstation (and even then they're getting 3DS remakes in Japan). I'd be more excited for them over a Final Fantasy character to be honest, but I guess that's a view only I hold.
• Like with the Dragon Quest characters, Crono from Chrono Trigger would be amazing but unfortunately I don't see it happening. Again he'd be more of a general fighter but I'd love to see him anyway. He's who I voted for on the Smash Ballot, even if he isn't likely, just because I love him so <3
• As for more recent characters, there's Neku from The World Ends With You and a character from Bravely Default. The former is very memorable coming from one of the best and most unique games Square Enix has put out and the latter would be from a series that is currently enjoying good success recently on the Nintendo 3DS. Both are good choices, the latter moreso mostly since Bravely Default is currently on a lot of people's minds at the moment, being a very recent series. Fun fact--the series came about as a spiritual successor to a Final Fantasy spin off called Final Fantasy: The Four Warriors of Light, a little known gem on the Nintendo DS. They share a similar art style and everything.

Sora wasn't discussed because he's owned by Disney, not Square Enix, from what I've heard.

Despite all the elaboration above, I'm sad to say none of those characters are the "gaming icon" that the other third-parties here in Smash are . Again, Square Enix's only real gaming icon worldwide is Cloud from Final Fantasy VII, but since that game has never been on Nintendo systems (Unlike Snake who's had a number of Metal Gear games on Nintendo systems) and since he isn't popular among my fellow Nintendo fans for his recent portrayals rather than being true to his well-designed original FF VII self, he's probably not going to happen.

All of this is to say that despite the prospect being fun, a Square Enix character probably will not happen. It makes me kind of sad, as some of their games have been a part of my childhood growing up and would love to see them in Smash, but oh well.

The gaming icon thing I don't understand. It varies anyway, as long as the character is recognizable enough, I'm fine with.
For SE I'll always support Lara Croft or someone from DQ. No one else.
Platinum Games/second SEGA Bayonetta, Ubisoft is obviously Rayman and
For Tecmo Koei, Yukimura Sanda. The icon of the Samurai Warriors series which is right behind Dynasty
Warriors in popularity/known-ness, but Sam Wrs has been on Nintendo a lot more than Dyn Wrs.

 

[Kenith]

If Square Enix got a character in Smash it would be from Final Fantasy, no questions asked.
Also, I'm surprised someone mentioned Koei Tecmo and not Ryu Hayabusa or Kasumi.

 

[Pakky]

Also, I'm surprised someone mentioned Koei Tecmo and not Ryu Hayabusa or Kasumi.

Kasumi is too sexy isn't she?...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If Square Enix got a character in Smash it would be from Final Fantasy, no questions asked.
Also, I'm surprised someone mentioned Koei Tecmo and not Ryu Hayabusa or Kasumi.

We need a Warriors rep and a DOA rep. Takamaru and Ridley count, right?

 

[Kenith]

We need a Warriors rep and a DOA rep. Takamaru and Ridley count, right?

Heh.
The cool thing about Ryu Hayabusa is that he doubles as a Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive rep.

 

[Pakky]

Heh.
The cool thing about Ryu Hayabusa is that he doubles as a Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive rep.

Doesn't fall he under the whole "too mature" argument? Also lol 2 Ryus and 2 Roys

 

[Kenith]

Doesn't fall he under the whole "too mature" argument? Also lol 2 Ryus and 2 Roys

No more than Snake does.

 

[Wolfie557]

We need a Warriors rep and a DOA rep. Takamaru and Ridley count, right?

Not Takamaru, really.

 

[FalKoopa]

If any FF character were to get in I'd like to see Terra, personally (at least her original title was on SNES). Though most would probably just say Black Mage, which can't really be counted as a character, really. Its a class in the series.

Well, I think a class can indeed be playable.
(Then again I'm very biased towards Black Mage.)

 

[Pakky]

No more than Snake does.

Only reason why I ask is because Metal Gear has a level of campiness along with being very serious, Ninja Gaiden on the other hand is all serious, all the time. That being said however Ryu H is a gaming icon.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I don't even consider Cloud a gaming icon. All the other "gaming icons" you've listed are the stars of massively long franchises. Cloud is the star of... one game and one movie. One extremely POPULAR game, but I don't see how that magically makes him a "gaming icon."

All I meant by that was that Final Fantasy VII is the most well-known and remembered Final Fantasy game by and large, and as a result Cloud, its protagonist, is really really really well-known. If you came up to some random person and asked them if they played any Final Fantasy game, a lot of them would say VII or include VII as one of them if they played more than one. Final Fantasy is one of gaming's biggest franchises and the seventh game is pretty synonymous with the Final Fantasy name in most circles, and has sold the most copies worldwide if we ignore the MMO Final Fantasies. That simple observation was the crux of what I was saying. However you want to look at it, merely famous or a "gaming icon," Cloud is pretty well-known.

...But like I said, for reasons I previously detailed, he's probably not gonna be in Smash anyways, so it's a moot point admittedly.

Well, there's also Shulk.

How could I forget?

takes 10 points off EdgeTheLucas' Smash cred

 

[Bowserlick]

Cloud makes sense as a Final Fantasy Representative for the most popular character (although was he on a Nintendo console?).

Outside of Cloud, Black Mage and a Moogle and a Cactuar make sense as a more generic representative of the whole series. I would choose Moogle out of those three.

 

[Schnee117]

Cloud makes sense as a Final Fantasy Representative for the most popular character (although was he on a Nintendo console?).

Outside of Cloud, Black Mage and a Moogle and a Cactuar make sense as a more generic representative of the whole series. I would choose Moogle out of those three.

He was in Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded on the DS.
Not exactly what he's famed for though.
Theatre rhythm Final Fantasy too.

 

[Kenith]

Only reason why I ask is because Metal Gear has a level of campiness along with being very serious, Ninja Gaiden on the other hand is all serious, all the time. That being said however Ryu H is a gaming icon.

Doesn't really matter how serious a series is. Metroid is arguably the most serious series in Smash because there's no levity.
Whereas even Metal Gear has comic relief.
The difference here is that Ryu Hayabusa is not known for using realistic firearms.

 

[Bowserlick]

Some of the Metroid data entries from Prime are horrifying.

Like when the Space Pirates tried to replicate the morph ball, but ended up twisting and mangling the bodies of the subjects.

 

[Pakky]

Doesn't really matter how serious a series is. Metroid is arguably the most serious series in Smash because there's no levity.
Whereas even Metal Gear has comic relief.
The difference here is that Ryu Hayabusa is not known for using realistic firearms.

Metroid is a Nintendo proper so that doesn't matter. However I get you.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

http://gonintendo.com/stories/23723...ulled-pac-man-from-smash-if-he-had-to-use-the

 

[Kenith]

Metroid is a Nintendo proper so that doesn't matter. However I get you.

Uh, if we're going to argue against a third-party series because it's too serious then yeah it does matter.
We're probably not going to see a horrific Eternal Darkness rep vs. Snake just because they're owned by Nintendo.

http://gonintendo.com/stories/23723...ulled-pac-man-from-smash-if-he-had-to-use-the

If this is true, I love Sakurai even more.

 

[Ura]

What do you guys think of this scenario for both pre-ballot and ballot DLC?

- 2 more characters before the ballot ends that have been determined before the ballot like Lucas/Roy/Ryu

- 3 characters from the ballot.

1. 1 ballot character that has solid fan backing in Japan
2. 1 ballot character that has solid fan backing in the West
3. 1 ballot character that has solid fan backing around the World

For the 2 pre-ballot characters, I would personally want Wolf and Snake to be the last pre-ballot characters as their the most popular and sensible veterans to put in the game (not counting the IC's of course who can't be in the game because of 3DS limitations).

For the ballot characters, I thought it would be a good idea to implement a character based on how popular they are in a specific region.

i.e. Bandana Dee or Chibi Robo would fall under 1. Isaac would fall under 2. and K. Rool would fall under 3.

 

[Wolfie557]

so what characters are you baised towards?

Be honest. Mine are: Medusa, Hades, Viridi (tho I don't think she would ever happen until KI becomes big), Bayonetta, Vince, Rayman and Impa.

 

[Wintropy]

so what characters are you baised towards?

Be honest. Mine are: Medusa, Hades, Viridi (tho I don't think she would ever happen until KI becomes big), Bayonetta, Vince, Rayman and Impa.

Wonder Red, Tiki and Anna.

That's about it, really.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

so what characters are you baised towards?

The ones in my signature.

 

[Pakky]

Uh, if we're going to argue against a third-party series because it's too serious then yeah it does matter.
We're probably not going to see a horrific Eternal Darkness rep vs. Snake just because they're owned by Nintendo.

I said I understood you...

http://gonintendo.com/stories/23723...ulled-pac-man-from-smash-if-he-had-to-use-the

That's dumb... Like really dumb...

so what characters are you baised towards?

Be honest. Mine are: Medusa, Hades, Viridi (tho I don't think she would ever happen until KI becomes big), Bayonetta, Vince, Rayman and Impa.

None really. Everyone who I think should get in smash actually should. Despite arbitrary reasoning why they shouldn't.

 

[Schnee117]

so what characters are you baised towards?

Be honest. Mine are: Medusa, Hades, Viridi (tho I don't think she would ever happen until KI becomes big), Bayonetta, Vince, Rayman and Impa.

*insert Wonderful 101 character here*, Seven, Nightmare, Fawful, Zelgius, Kefka, K Rool and Isaac.
Anna's rapidly ascending to that position ty @ Cutie Gwen

 

[Cutie Gwen]

*insert Wonderful 101 character here*, Seven, Nightmare, Fawful, Zelgius, Kefka, K Rool and Isaac.
Anna's rapidly ascending to that position ty @ Cutie Gwen

This means that mora Anna means more Moolah!

I should stop posting this gif