Character Discussion Thread

[Geno Boost]

Pit is still first party and you said not to compare Geno with first party characters.
We've been over the comics and the minor cameo already.
Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI.

Yet all third party characters so far have been gaming icons. Geno is far from being an icon.
And you're already saying it's good despite not seeing any proper footage.
Nor are the polls you mentioned for SSB4.

With Geno any recent appearance would help him (he doesn't need a big, dramatic return) and the spin-offs SE made were his best chances. They were squandered in favour for FF and DQ characters instead.

How's final fantasy vi and chrono trigger are more important in Nintendo history than SMRPG? Nintendo didn't even work at making those 2 games
Still sakurai didn't say it must be gaming icon
In my opinion I feel it's going to be good
That poll just shows that japan still care about Geno and get supported so people could stop saying nobody cares about him
So you think putting crono in small sport game after 20 years of disappearing will be something good instead of putting him in a huge game? No same goes for Geno this is not a good way to bring a character to life again

 

[Burruni]

FE: Fates question: What are hidden weapons?

"Hidden" weapons are a new weapon type added for the game.
It's technically part of the "Range" layer to the weapon triangle which trumps bows (and swords, I believe) but loses to Magic (and axes, I believe)

They're basically Ninja weapons such as Kunai and shuriken, from what I gather.

Edit: Between her appearances in Awakening and Fates, Anna has used Swords, Lances, Bows, Staves, Tomes, and Hidden Weapons.

The only kinds she has lacked are Axes and the "race exclusive" Dragonstone/Breath attacks of Manaketes and Beaststone/claws of Taguel/Laguz.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

FE: Fates question: What are hidden weapons?

Kunai, Shuriken and puppets like what Rosalina is supposed to be
inb4 "Anna would be a Rosalina clone"

 

[YoshiandToad]

First of all, screw the 'muh swords' argument
Second, Anna also wields bows, staves, tomes, concealed weapons(ninjutsu) and I think she still has lances

Well, I mean, that is why I said "another swordsman(doesn't really matter)". Because it doesn't.

Because 'muh swords' is as dumb as 'muh brawlers' or 'muh waifus' or 'muh anime' or '2big' or 'can't jump' or 'Geno'.

Hopefully Anna gets a larger role within Fates so she gets considered.

 

[Wintropy]

Knives are also hidden weapons.

Anna demonstrates time and again that she is the archetypal rogue par excellence~

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm completely okay with Anna not being DLC, I don't expect it to happen. Smash 5 on the other hand...

 

[Wintropy]

She's not gonna be DLC. I'd bet my sweet brown Feroxi arse fluffy ears on it.

Doesn't meant we can't support her now. The more exposure the better~

 

[Cutie Gwen]

She's not gonna be DLC. I'd bet my sweet brown Feroxi arse fluffy ears on it.

Doesn't meant we can't support her now. The more exposure the better~

Take notes Ridley supporters! That'll be 50 gold for the advice!

Spoiler

 

[memoryman3]

And with SEGA's mobile games there are advertisements all over the place.
"Watch this ad if you want to revive"

The new Sonic Runners game is stuffed with microtransaction fluff, from the Energy System to constant advertisements to a required internet connection to daily spins and everything you could think about that steals your money.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The new Sonic Runners game is stuffed with microtransaction fluff, from the Energy System to constant advertisements to a required internet connection to daily spins and everything you could think about that steals your money.

It also showed Charmy when talking about Knuckles

 

[Burruni]

A fair bit off-topic, I know.
But I just wanna say this.

I wish there was a mode where you chose different characters for each stock like Smash Tour ends up doing for the final round.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

A fair bit off-topic, I know.
But I just wanna say this.

I wish there was a mode where you chose different characters for each stock like Smash Tour ends up doing for the final round.

Project M did that iirc. Absolutely love the Wess Dance, I want the Earthbound franchise badly just because of the dance

 

[Burruni]

Project M did that iirc. Absolutely love the Wess Dance, I want the Earthbound franchise badly just because of the dance

I think that's a thing that's coming in 3.6 or something.
I'm not updating my Project M beyond the version I have because I don't want changed Ganondorf.

 

[PushDustIn]

Btw, there's been a ballot with every Smash game. This is just the first time it's available in English. In 64, he even released the results, which was completed one month before the project plan for Melee was finished. Sakurai has constantly tried to measure support, but having high support alone doesn't warrant inclusion as Sakurai does consider representation, playstyle and individuality of that character.

 

[Burruni]

Btw, there's been a ballot with every Smash game. This is just the first time it's available in English. In 64, he even released the results, which was completed one month before the project plan for Melee was finished. Sakurai has constantly tried to measure support, but having high support alone doesn't warrant inclusion as Sakurai does consider representation, playstyle and individuality of that character.

If popularity alone mattered, Wario would've been in been in Melee instead of Marth, Ridley would've gotten into Brawl, and we would probably never see a retro character. =/

 

[Chandeelure]

Actually, going by the "Kirby Master" cutscenes in KRtD and Triple Deluxe, he is alive and well...

In Triple Deluxe, he sits next to Magolor in the audience (and in KRtD Magolor implies a connection between the two).

Well, if we count the Kirby Master cutscenes and the minigames a lot of characters are alive for some reason.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If popularity alone mattered, Wario would've been in been in Melee instead of Marth, Ridley would've gotten into Brawl, and we would probably never see a retro character. =/

Wait, wasn't Marth a popular request back then? I do remember hearing people were bummed out Meta Knight wasn't in Melee...And then people were outraged Meta Knight became playable...Then everyone mocked Meta Knight here

 

[PushDustIn]

If popularity alone mattered, Wario would've been in been in Melee instead of Marth, Ridley would've gotten into Brawl, and we would probably never see a retro character. =/

Yeah. Sakurai talks a lot about the need to appeal to a wide range of fans--both in terms of gameplay and character choices. He's all about including everyone, which ironically probably turns some people away from him.

Also, didn't mention this in my previous post but game balance is also taken into consideration. Can't make characters that will just be OP (on purpose).

 

[MainJPW]

Project M did that iirc. Absolutely love the Wess Dance, I want the Earthbound franchise badly just because of the dance

I'm sure you've seen Kuma perform the dance, it's the best.

 

[Burruni]

Wait, wasn't Marth a popular request back then? I do remember hearing people were bummed out Meta Knight wasn't in Melee...And then people were outraged Meta Knight became playable...Then everyone mocked Meta Knight here

Marth was popular.
Like #11th requested.
But Wario was #3.
And that was BEFORE ANY WARIOWARE GAME HAPPENED
SO WHY DOES HE HAVE NEXT TO NO REFERENCES TO THE GAMES THAT MADE HIM #3 REQUESTED IN MELEE

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm sure you've seen Kuma perform the dance, it's the best.

Kumatora best Earthbound character

Marth was popular.
Like #11th requested.
But Wario was #3.
And that was BEFORE ANY WARIOWARE GAME HAPPENED
SO WHY DOES HE HAVE NEXT TO NO REFERENCES TO THE GAMES THAT MADE HIM #3 REQUESTED IN MELEE

BECAUSE SAKURAI IS A DOLT

 

[Bowserlick]

Do you think Sakurai will divide the favorite characters on the ballot into two groups: characters that have appeared on consoles and characters that are handheld exclusive since Smash is on Wii U and 3DS?

And what characters are mostly at home at the 3DS?

 

[MainJPW]

Marth was popular.
Like #11th requested.
But Wario was #3.
And that was BEFORE ANY WARIOWARE GAME HAPPENED
SO WHY DOES HE HAVE NEXT TO NO REFERENCES TO THE GAMES THAT MADE HIM #3 REQUESTED IN MELEE

I just replayed Wario Lands 1-4 the other day and got sad knowing absolutely nothing from those games got any acknowledgement in Sm4sh.

 

[PushDustIn]

Marth was popular.
Like #11th requested.
But Wario was #3.
And that was BEFORE ANY WARIOWARE GAME HAPPENED
SO WHY DOES HE HAVE NEXT TO NO REFERENCES TO THE GAMES THAT MADE HIM #3 REQUESTED IN MELEE

I don't think he would have Wario Land inspired moveset even if he debut in Melee. His current moveset doesn't really reflect WarioWare either. Sakurai just made up a moveset for him.

 

[Burruni]

Do you think Sakurai will divide the favorite characters on the ballot into two groups: characters that have appeared on consoles and characters that are handheld exclusive since Smash is on Wii U and 3DS?

And what characters are mostly at home at the 3DS?

GOD. NO.
END OF DISCUSSION.
A character is going to be judged on popularity, importance, and moveset potential. Just like the main ballot but with a more direct input.
There's NO reason to put it into random and unneeded groups, especially if you're meaning that they'll be exclusive to one game or another because Sakurai was adamant about that with Icies.

I don't think he would have Wario Land inspired moveset even if he debut in Melee. His current moveset doesn't really reflect WarioWare either. Sakurai just made up a moveset for him.

With the Biker outfit being the default, the existance of at least one Warioware specific attack, all trophies, stages, and all but one music track being based on WarioWare instead of Land+World, THAT is what I was more meaning. Wario's only thing specifically from a Land or World game now is his Final Smash (and a single music track). In moveset, it's been almost fully crafted up for thin air, and arguably around equal for content specifically from WarioWare where wario is only in cutscenes vs games where he is the protagonist in an action platformer.
But all the other kinds of content for Wario is DROWNED in Ware.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Do you think Sakurai will divide the favorite characters on the ballot into two groups: characters that have appeared on consoles and characters that are handheld exclusive since Smash is on Wii U and 3DS?

And what characters are mostly at home at the 3DS?

Sakurai cut IC despite them being fine on the Wii U, remember?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Maybe there should be a second Pikmin character...

Or at the very least, add the rest of the captains as costumes for olimar!

I'm waaaaaaaaay too late but.
I think that there should be a new Pikmin character when there are five more types of Pikmin. That way it wouldn't just be another Olimar/Alph, and there would be different effects.
Say we had Brittany., and she had new Pikmin, so they functioned different like:
Rock Pikmin act like purples.
(Making up Pikmin types now) Stickey Pikmin stay attached longer, and are more durable.
Carry Pikmin can KO with their throws, while other Pikmin can't.
Spy Pikmin stun the opponent slightly, allowing for combos.
Bomb Pikmin explode upon death.
Ghost Pikmin are invincible when inactive.
It's probably not that game changing, but it would still be cool, especially if the Captain can find other ways of attacking with the Pikmin.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Your Sticky Pikmin is a custom set

I'm waaaaaaaaay too late but.
I think that there should be a new Pikmin character when there are five more types of Pikmin. That way it wouldn't just be another Olimar/Alph, and there would be different effects.
Say we had Brittany., and she had new Pikmin, so they functioned different like:
Rock Pikmin act like purples.
(Making up Pikmin types now) Stickey Pikmin stay attached longer, and are more durable.
Carry Pikmin can KO with their throws, while other Pikmin can't.
Spy Pikmin stun the opponent slightly, allowing for combos.
Bomb Pikmin explode upon death.
Ghost Pikmin are invincible when inactive.
It's probably not that game changing, but it would still be cool, especially if the Captain can find other ways of attacking with the Pikmin.

 

[PushDustIn]

GOD. NO.
END OF DISCUSSION.
A character is going to be judged on popularity, importance, and moveset potential. Just like the main ballot but with a more direct input.
There's NO reason to put it into random and unneeded groups, especially if you're meaning that they'll be exclusive to one game or another because Sakurai was adamant about that with Icies.



With the Biker outfit being the default, the existance of at least one Warioware specific attack, all trophies, stages, and all but one music track being based on WarioWare instead of Land+World, THAT is what I was more meaning. Wario's only thing specifically from a Land or World game now is his Final Smash. In moveset, it's been almost fully crafted up for thin air, and arguably around equal for content specifically from WarioWare where wario is only in cutscenes vs games where he is the protagonist in an action platformer.
But all the other kinds of content for Wario is DROWNED in Ware.

I see what you mean! Yes even the non-moveset references to Wario Land are severely lacking. I wish Captain Syrup had a trophy at least (though I would be much happier if she was an assist trophy).

Remember, Sakurai talks
with the original character creator when making characters for Smash. In Warios case Ko Takeuchi (Warioware) and Hiroji Kiyotake (Wario's original creator) were consulted.I'm guessing they figured Wario's future was the Ware series so they/ Sakurai decided to focus on that?

But yeah, as a Wario fan myself, I do wish there was more Land content.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Your Sticky Pikmin is a custom set

(Shrugs) I was just making them up on the spot. This probably won't happen until Pikmin 5 becomes a thing anyway.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I thought of the idea of a second Wario with a 100% Wario Lad moveset. Not sure if that's practical or not

 

[Burruni]

I thought of the idea of a second Wario with a 100% Wario Lad moveset. Not sure if that's practical or not

Someone actually made a thread for that. By the name "Treasure Hunter Wario" or something like that.
Don't think it's happening ANY time soon and I'd rather see Waluigi/Ashley by a long shot.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Kumatora best Earthbound character

. . . I originally had a post to put here but with how long it took me to make this gif I forgot what it was

Kumaatora would probably be one of my favorite additoins mostly because Chuggaconroy made me like her. At least she got referenced that she taught Lucas PK starstorm. (I think)

 

[MainJPW]

. . . I originally had a post to put here but with how long it took me to make this gif I forgot what it was

Kumaatora would probably be one of my favorite additoins mostly because Chuggaconroy made me like her. At least she got referenced that she taught Lucas PK starstorm. (I think)

Im kinda bummed Lucas didn't get a Kumatora inspired costume.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

. . . I originally had a post to put here but with how long it took me to make this gif I forgot what it was

Kumaatora would probably be one of my favorite additoins mostly because Chuggaconroy made me like her. At least she got referenced that she taught Lucas PK starstorm. (I think)

Something that I like about BearTiger is how unlike HI IM DAISY she's actually a tomboy and shows it. Though that's because RPG and what not. I'm curious t why she didn't get referenced in Lucas' alts

 

[A Distant Demon]

Im kinda bummed Lucas didn't get a Kumatora inspired costume.

Honestly kumatora could easily be an alt (or a clone based on sakurai's ideals of different stats=clone)

all of his PK moves (freeze fire, thunder, starstorm) are kumatora's while Lucas was the support character. . . She can't use the Stick or PK love but still . . .

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly kumatora could easily be an alt (or a clone based on sakurai's ideals of different stats=clone)

all of his PK moves (freeze fire, thunder, starstorm) are kumatora's while Lucas was the support character. . . She can't use the Stick or PK love but still . . .

PK Love is in smash?
What will happen is that Mother 3 gets remade on NX and Kumatora is in Smash 5 with an original moveset and the Wess dance in her victory screen

 

[A Distant Demon]

PK Love is in smash?

I think the general assumption is that all of his PK moves with energy (like up and down smashes) are PK love. Or at least I hope they are because if PK love has never been in game then Sakurai has failed us all.

What will happen is that Mother 3 gets remade on NX and Kumatora is in Smash 5 with an original moveset and the Wess dance in her victory screen

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[Cutie Gwen]

I think the general assumption is that all of his PK moves with energy (like up and down smashes) are PK love. Or at least I hope they are because if PK love has never been in game then Sakurai has failed us all.

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I still don't know what SFM means
Lucas uses Rope Snake, and after research, Kumatora can dig enemies. What's Lucas' Dthrow animation again?

 

[MainJPW]

PK Love is in smash?

It's speculated to be his up smash.

What will happen is that Mother 3 gets remade on NX and Kumatora is in Smash 5 with an original moveset and the Wess dance in her victory screen

That would be awesome, but I do find it suspicious that the character who almost Lucas's entire moveset is inspired by isnt referenced in an alt but his other party members are.