Character Discussion Thread

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah but I people told me later that he is still square Enix so I agreed after they gave me a clear answer

Alphadream are interested on doing something for geno in the future
Banjo and conker were a part of Nintendo before Microsoft
Nope I didn't see a lot of people there who says something like no chance you are just talking about a few people
Becuause they created him so they own him just like when rare created banjo and conker in diddy kong racing
No they aren't because geno is originally Mario character black Mage and others aren't
Cloud is the most popular because most people played ff7

i said don't mix 3rd party with 1st party because they are not the same
I know geno is not "very very" popular but he has a popularity he is not like king k. Rool level he is like ray MK level of popularity

I'm interested in making the roster for an official Smash game. Am I suddenly the owner or developer?
True, but they aren't anymore
Those characters are owned by Microsoft and got used a bit by them! SE did nothing with Geno, that's the only difference!
Diddy, K.Rool and Dixie were made by Rare. Nintendo owns them. SE made Geno. SE owns Geno. Geno is an SE character
Doesn't change the fact people think Cloud is overrated these days

 

[DJ3DS]

Keep geno away from them because he is a 3rd party don't mix a 3rd party character with 1st party character

Thank you for completely ignoring the point. I'm well aware Geno is 3rd party. That's pretty much the entire point. Why would Sakurai bother jumping through the hoops associated with implementing a 3rd party character when that 3rd party character is noticeably less popular than a number of 1st party characters? Please answer instead of deflecting my question.

 

[Wolfie557]

This is my support diamond. The higher they are, the more I support them.I tried to include as many as I could think of.
TBH, apart from Yukimura & Phosphora & Magnus, I don't even WANT any below tier 5.

 

[Geno Boost]

I'm interested in making the roster for an official Smash game. Am I suddenly the owner or developer?
True, but they aren't anymore
Those characters are owned by Microsoft and got used a bit by them! SE did nothing with Geno, that's the only difference!
Diddy, K.Rool and Dixie were made by Rare. Nintendo owns them. SE made Geno. SE owns Geno. Geno is an SE character
Doesn't change the fact people think Cloud is overrated these days

Alphadream were able to have him in MLSSS so this is won't be a big problem if they asked for Geno again
Yeah but that's just an example of a character who's a part of Nintendo if we are going back in 2001 Geno is still a part of Nintendo to this day
But rare did give DKC characters to Nintendo
FF7 remake is going to save him anyway

Thank you for completely ignoring the point. I'm well aware Geno is 3rd party. That's pretty much the entire point. Why would Sakurai bother jumping through the hoops associated with implementing a 3rd party character when that 3rd party character is noticeably less popular than a number of 1st party characters? Please answer instead of deflecting my question.

Nintendo characters are always most of them popular than 3rd party characters but also popularity is not everything about a 3rd party character also remember when Geno tied with Megaman in sakurai brawl poll I know your going to say "but this 7 years ago" but he is still popular but not "requested" as much as he was in brawl we can't say Geno lost popularity because anyone who has seen Geno once means they know they remember him from "somewhere" if you showed Geno again

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Alphadream were able to have him in MLSSS so this is won't be a big problem if they asked for Geno again
Yeah but that's just an example of a character who's a part of Nintendo if we are going back in 2001 Geno is still a part of Nintendo to this day
But rare did give DKC characters to Nintendo
FF7 remake is going to save him anyway

Nintendo characters are always most of them popular than 3rd party characters but also popularity is not everything about a 3rd party character also remember when Geno tied with Megaman in sakurai brawl poll I know your going to say "but this 7 years ago" but he is still popular but not "requested" as much as he was in brawl we can't say Geno lost popularity because anyone who has seen Geno once means they know they remember him from "somewhere" if you showed Geno again

SE is more stingy than they used to be.
****ing lies and you know it. Starfy is a Mario character because Wario was in Starfy 3, Starfy should be promoted amiright
No. Rare didn't give Nintendo the characters. To give something, you need to own it in the first place
Here's an old video

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Alphadream were able to have him in MLSSS so this is won't be a big problem if they asked for Geno again
Yeah but that's just an example of a character who's a part of Nintendo if we are going back in 2001 Geno is still a part of Nintendo to this day
But rare did give DKC characters to Nintendo
FF7 remake is going to save him anyway

Nintendo characters are always most of them popular than 3rd party characters but also popularity is not everything about a 3rd party character also remember when Geno tied with Megaman in sakurai brawl poll I know your going to say "but this 7 years ago" but he is still popular but not "requested" as much as he was in brawl we can't say Geno lost popularity because anyone who has seen Geno once means they know they remember him from "somewhere" if you showed Geno again

1. I don't think at all that having Geno in SSS was a matter of asking nicely, but okay, not impossible.
2.But popularity is everything about Geno. Seeing the sentence next to it and the fact appearing in a single Mario spin-off 20 years ago is his gaming legacy.
Btw, that Brawl Poll you referring to was more Sakurai compiling a few requests he saw instead of an official poll.
As "tieing with Mega Man" meant having three mentions. Not a feat at all.
3. And that's how the memory works. It depends on how many people know Geno, not about how humans have brains that allow them to recognise something.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The fact Geno fans are pisspoor at spreading their propaganda also hurts them, makes new fans less likely to know him and then they think "Who is this? An outdated character from a 20 year old game? Why would I want that?"

 

[Geno Boost]

SE is more stingy than they used to be.
****ing lies and you know it. Starfy is a Mario character because Wario was in Starfy 3, Starfy should be promoted amiright
No. Rare didn't give Nintendo the characters. To give something, you need to own it in the first place
Here's an old video

most people who worked on SMRPG are now working at alphadream so why do you think square Enix would likley say no? They aren't giving a random company a character square Enix already allowed alphadream to use him in MLSSS
No this is not a lie he is still a part of Nintendo because he didn't go outside of Nintendo games and starfy is not the same because he started in his own game and not a Mario game
Then what happend?
A lot of people wanted a remake so they got it and it made a lot of people hyped

 

[Wintropy]

I think Tiki ought to be considered more when discussing possible Fire Emblem characters.

While her popularity will always be niche at best and her chances are right below Anna (herself a distinguished "yeah maybe"), she's arguably the most recurring and important non-protagonist (again, that isn't Anna), and even counting Lucina as a representation of Marth, one of a very small handful of characters to appear in multiple generations / series in an actual story-based role.

She'd also be Smash's only Manakete, an integral feature of the series since the earliest days of the Akaneia saga, and would help eliminate the notion that "Fire Emblem is just a bunch of weaboo swordsmen". The transforming mechanic isn't even in an issue if you adopt a fighting style wherein Tiki summons her Manakete form as an extension of her character (akin to Rosalina and her Luma or a Stand in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, albeit one that never detaches from the main body - her Smash 4 trophy demonstrates a precedence) to augment her power and offer her new moves. That or she could just have cool Manakete powers without the need to actually transform (again, the map sprites in the classic games serve to demonstrate a precedence here).

Her chances of actually being considered in the first place are honestly slim to none, and her actual chances of appearing in the main roster are almost non-existent unless she returns as a narrative-central character again, and yet she's still one of a very select few individuals from the series that would be at all eligible.

All we are saying is give Manaketes a chance.

 

[Wolfie557]

This is why I will never ever forever support Geno in any way:

• Don't like his moveset potential
• Too old and too irrelevant
• Owned by SE;
• meaning there's plenty of better SE characters, such as Slime/Dragon Quest Hero(ine) or even Lara Croft
• SE doesn't even use Geno anymore
• Looks like a stupid wooden puppet.
• I don't like it.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

This is why I will never ever forever support Geno in any way:

• Don't like his moveset potential
• Too old and too irrelevant
• Owned by SE;
• meaning there's plenty of better SE characters, such as Slime/Dragon Quest Hero(ine) or even Lara Croft
• Looks like a stupid wooden puppet.

The biggest kick in the nuts for anyone who likes Mario.

 

[Wolfie557]

The biggest kick in the nuts for anyone who likes Mario.

*RPG's.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

most people who worked on SMRPG are now working at alphadream so why do you think square Enix would likley say no? They aren't giving a random company a character square Enix already allowed alphadream to use him in MLSSS
No this is not a lie he is still a part of Nintendo because he didn't go outside of Nintendo games and starfy is not the same because he started in his own game and not a Mario game
Then what happend?
A lot of people wanted a remake so they got it and it made a lot of people hyped

Because they aren't with the company anymore, the current leader of Konami thinks gambling is a better investment than Kojima for instance
Geno has no game. Geno has 0 chance in reality. Geno has 1 game as his legacy. Geno's popularity is no where near as strong as other characters
Nintendo said "Design Donkey Kong Characters" to Rare. Nintendo said "Please design some characters we will able to use in this game that you own".
People wanted a new Metroid game. Look at FF

 

[WeirdChillFever]

*RPG's.

Both.

 

[Wolfie557]

Both.

Anyone who likes Mario including his RPG's. Probably the best way to say it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think Tiki ought to be considered more when discussing possible Fire Emblem characters.

While her popularity will always be niche at best and her chances are right below Anna (herself a distinguished "yeah maybe"), she's arguably the most recurring and important non-protagonist (again, that isn't Anna), and even counting Lucina as a representation of Marth, one of a very small handful of characters to appear in multiple generations / series in an actual story-based role.

She'd also be Smash's only Manakete, an integral feature of the series since the earliest days of the Akaneia saga, and would help eliminate the notion that "Fire Emblem is just a bunch of weaboo swordsmen". The transforming mechanic isn't even in an issue if you adopt a fighting style wherein Tiki summons her Manakete form as an extension of her character (akin to Rosalina and her Luma or a Stand in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, albeit one that never detaches from the main body - her Smash 4 trophy demonstrates a precedence) to augment her power and offer her new moves. That or she could just have cool Manakete powers without the need to actually transform (again, the map sprites in the classic games serve to demonstrate a precedence here).

Her chances of actually being considered in the first place are honestly slim to none, and her actual chances of appearing in the main roster are almost non-existent unless she returns as a narrative-central character again, and yet she's still one of a very select few individuals from the series that would be at all eligible.

All we are saying is give Manaketes a chance.

Though I believe she's not very likely, I do believe she at least deserves a shot

 

[DJ3DS]

Alphadream were able to have him in MLSSS so this is won't be a big problem if they asked for Geno again
Yeah but that's just an example of a character who's a part of Nintendo if we are going back in 2001 Geno is still a part of Nintendo to this day
But rare did give DKC characters to Nintendo
FF7 remake is going to save him anyway

Nintendo characters are always most of them popular than 3rd party characters but also popularity is not everything about a 3rd party character also remember when Geno tied with Megaman in sakurai brawl poll I know your going to say "but this 7 years ago" but he is still popular but not "requested" as much as he was in brawl we can't say Geno lost popularity because anyone who has seen Geno once means they know they remember him from "somewhere" if you showed Geno again

Please, do me a favour. Answer the question. I have asked you it twice now. Why would someone include Geno over the dearth of equally popular characters who would be easier to include?

Just a remark though - you claim "popularity isn't everything about a 3rd party character". Are you ignoring the fact that all 5 of the third party characters Smash Bros has had have been genre defining icons that are significantly more recognisable than Geno will ever be? Your claim is completely unsubstantiated.

 

[Schnee117]

You want an RPG icon from SE?
Black Mage.

Spoiler

 

[Wolfie557]

You want an RPG icon from SE?
Black Mage.

Take your pick.

 

[PK_Knee]

This is my support diamond. The higher they are, the more I support them.I tried to include as many as I could think of.
TBH, apart from Yukimura & Phosphora & Magnus, I don't even WANT any below tier 5.

I agree with this mostly, except Banjo-Kazooie. Should be higher in my opinion.

 

[Burruni]

Take your pick.

As much as I like slime and what not.
Square Enix has been so bold to say Dragon Quest is dead in the west.
Final Fantasy has always been the more dominant, more iconic series.
And let's face it...
Black Mage despite "just being a class," is still a very iconic design for the series no matter how they alter it game to game.
And given that we got classic & and most based on SF2, I feel like Nintendo would push a FF character from 1-6 (who has appeared in two Mario sports games at this point) than, say, Cloud.
I just feel like of Square Enix's series, Final Fantasy really can't be argued to be anything less than the single largest one.
Of them, Black Mage has been used if not as a direct class, then by giving the classic design a cameo in the game or hell even DLC costumes in the case of one of 13's sequels.
Bravely Default, aka "We don't want to CALL this Final Fantasy but it's Final Fantasy" even uses this as a staple.
A long-running, iconic FF character/design going back to the NES days and being used up to FF14 and Bravely Second (hell, Nobou Uematsu NAMED HIS BAND AFTER THEM) and had a playable role in some Mario titles? Seems like a good pick to me.

 

[Schnee117]

Take your pick.

Neither have had any where near as many appearances as the Black Mage to my knowledge plus everything Burruni said.

 

[90007000]

I wonder where Diddy is on the tier list now...

 

[Burruni]

I wonder where Diddy is on the tier list now...

Not the place for this.
Go to the competitive boards.

 

[PK_Knee]

I wonder where Diddy is on the tier list now...

What's a Diddy? (Obvious sarcasam)

 

[Aetheri]

Geno discussions how fun....

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Geno discussions how fun....

Yes yes it Was, now let's move on to More talking about how the excuses Ridley are entirely bull
I mean uh, Chibi Robo

 

[Burruni]

Chibi-Robo's an underdog.

I could easily see him being the (or ) of Smash 5, DLC hopes low.

 

[Geno Boost]

Please, do me a favour. Answer the question. I have asked you it twice now. Why would someone include Geno over the dearth of equally popular characters who would be easier to include?

Just a remark though - you claim "popularity isn't everything about a 3rd party character". Are you ignoring the fact that all 5 of the third party characters Smash Bros has had have been genre defining icons that are significantly more recognisable than Geno will ever be? Your claim is completely unsubstantiated.

This question should be asked to every 3rd party who isn't in smash if your saying Nintendo characters are the only character that should be picked because they are easier to include

Yes popularity wasn't just everything, relationship between companies are also a reason of getting 3rd party for example Kojima is friend of sakurai and Megaman was in captian n with Nintendo characters sonic and pac-man were in crossover game with Mario, and Ryu was in every capcom crossover game

Because they aren't with the company anymore, the current leader of Konami thinks gambling is a better investment than Kojima for instance
Geno has no game. Geno has 0 chance in reality. Geno has 1 game as his legacy. Geno's popularity is no where near as strong as other characters
Nintendo said "Design Donkey Kong Characters" to Rare. Nintendo said "Please design some characters we will able to use in this game that you own".
People wanted a new Metroid game. Look at FF

But they still let alphadream use Geno so nothing has changed
The characters that has no chance are
-non video game characters
-characters that didn't appear in Nintendo console
-a character that didn't make any important role from its game
So stop saying Geno is impossible because he isn't
1 game doesn't matter and he is still popular, most of the very popular Nintendo characters are already in smash
FF7 looks great what's the problem with this?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This question should be asked to every 3rd party who isn't in smash if your saying Nintendo characters are the only character that should be picked because they are easier to include

Yes popularity wasn't just everything, relationship between companies are also a reason of getting 3rd party for example Kojima is friend of sakurai and Megaman was in captian n with Nintendo characters sonic and pac-man were in crossover game with Mario, and Ryu was in every capcom crossover game

But they still let alphadream use Geno so nothing has changed
The characters that has no chance are
-non video game characters
-characters that didn't appear in Nintendo console
-a character that didn't make any important role from its game
So stop saying Geno is impossible because he isn't
1 game doesn't matter and he is still popular, most of the very popular Nintendo characters are already in smash
FF7 looks great what's the problem with this?

SE NEVER GAVE ALPHADREAM THE RIGHTS TO GENO. TBE DIRECTOR HAS WORKED WITH GENO IN THE PAST AND SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO USE THEM AGAIN.
Geno is impossible BECAUSE HE'S ****ING DEAD! NO MAJOR VIDEO GAME APPEARANCE IN ALMOST 20 YEARS, NO LEGACY AND NOT THAT POPULAR!
Ridley, Toad, Waluigi, K.Rool, Dixie, Isaac, Ghirahim, Impa, etc. There are still loads of popular NPCs
FF7 doesn't look great. It's just CGI. You can't say it looks great when we haven't seen any actual gameplay. I want Geno's support to die out again if not only so people like you can finally shut up now

 

[Schnee117]

This question should be asked to every 3rd party who isn't in smash if your saying Nintendo characters are the only character that should be picked because they are easier to include

Yes popularity wasn't just everything, relationship between companies are also a reason of getting 3rd party for example Kojima is friend of sakurai and Megaman was in captian n with Nintendo characters sonic and pac-man were in crossover game with Mario, and Ryu was in every capcom crossover game

Snake is also a Stealth Game icon and MGS revolutionised story telling in games.
Mega Man is a platforming icon from the NES era.
Sonic was Mario's old rival. Also a gaming icon.
Pac-Man is a gaming icon dating back to the arcades.
Ryu is a fighting game icon. SSF2 was crazy popular on the SNES.

Geno is a character that has appeared as a party member and later a cameo. In terms of SE characters Cloud, Kefka, Sephiroth, Slime, Black Mage, Cid, Moogles and Chocobos are far more well known.

But they still let alphadream use Geno so nothing has changed
The characters that has no chance are
-non video game characters
-characters that didn't appear in Nintendo console
-a character that didn't make any important role from its game
So stop saying Geno is impossible because he isn't
1 game doesn't matter and he is still popular, most of the very popular Nintendo characters are already in smash
FF7 looks great what's the problem with this?

They let Alphadream use Geno in an extremely minor cameo. Since then they've denied PSASBR from using their icons like Cloud and Lara Croft.
Geno's popularity is a mere shadow of it's former self.
FF7 was just CGI. It won't look that good unless it takes 10 years to make.

SE NEVER GAVE ALPHADREAM THE RIGHTS TO GENO. TBE DIRECTOR HAS WORKED WITH GENO IN THE PAST AND SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO USE THEM AGAIN.
Geno is impossible BECAUSE HE'S ****ING DEAD! NO MAJOR VIDEO GAME APPEARANCE IN ALMOST 20 YEARS, NO LEGACY AND NOT THAT POPULAR!
Ridley, Toad, Waluigi, K.Rool, Dixie, Isaac, Ghirahim, Impa, etc. There are still loads of popular NPCs
FF7 doesn't look great. It's just CGI. You can't say it looks great when we haven't seen any actual gameplay. I want Geno's support to die out again if not only so people like you can finally shut up now

 

[Burruni]

This question should be asked to every 3rd party who isn't in smash if your saying Nintendo characters are the only character that should be picked because they are easier to include

Yes popularity wasn't just everything, relationship between companies are also a reason of getting 3rd party for example Kojima is friend of sakurai and Megaman was in captian n with Nintendo characters sonic and pac-man were in crossover game with Mario, and Ryu was in every capcom crossover game

But they still let alphadream use Geno so nothing has changed
The characters that has no chance are
-non video game characters
-characters that didn't appear in Nintendo console
-a character that didn't make any important role from its game
So stop saying Geno is impossible because he isn't
1 game doesn't matter and he is still popular, most of the very popular Nintendo characters are already in smash
FF7 looks great what's the problem with this?

1) got in because he was requested back in Melee by a very close friend to Sakurai but he's still a gaming icon.

2) was chosen at the earliest parts of Brawl's development, before cross-overs with Mario were established, becuase he was a gaming icon, one of the single most requested character internationally, and Mario's old rival from the first ages of Console Wars.

3) was chosen because he's a gaming icon who for gods sake has the term "Megaman-styled respawning enemies," and was one of the single most requested characters internationally.

4) is a gaming icon who made a few cameos in some Mario titles. But he's arguably the single biggest gaming icon and the only character that could give a run for his money for being recognized. Miyamoto shoved for his inclusion back in Brawl but it wasn't done then.

5) is a gaming icon from THE arcade fighter series that defined the genre and some of the earliest cases of head-to-head competition for gaming. SF2 has 3 releases that make marks in the top 20 for SNES sales period, 2 make up the top 7 and one is #4 only being Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country, and Super Mario Kart and had a recent release on 3DS with SF4. While not requested, he was part of a company already in legally for Smash 4. (SMRPG was #28, just to note).

Geno's popularity has decreased, significantly.
Square Enix has become MORE reserved about having assets used since Superstar Saga.
Geno HASN'T been seen since that cameo over a decade ago.
When Square Enix made Mario Spinoffs, they put in Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest character but not Geno.

That is what has changed between Brawl and now, and Sakurai's affirmation about 3rd Parties having to be icons is still the biggest wall for Geno. No matter what argument you want to construe, he is not an icon and does not have the popularity on level that got the two icons chosen with popularity cited as reasoning for why they are in.

Impossible? No. But his now middling support is the only real point in his favor.

 

[Geno Boost]

SE NEVER GAVE ALPHADREAM THE RIGHTS TO GENO. TBE DIRECTOR HAS WORKED WITH GENO IN THE PAST AND SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO USE THEM AGAIN.
Geno is impossible BECAUSE HE'S ****ING DEAD! NO MAJOR VIDEO GAME APPEARANCE IN ALMOST 20 YEARS, NO LEGACY AND NOT THAT POPULAR!
Ridley, Toad, Waluigi, K.Rool, Dixie, Isaac, Ghirahim, Impa, etc. There are still loads of popular NPCs
FF7 doesn't look great. It's just CGI. You can't say it looks great when we haven't seen any actual gameplay. I want Geno's support to die out again if not only so people like you can finally shut up now

I didn't say they gave them Geno I said they did let alphadream use Geno in MLSSS
Smash bros does brings forgotten characters Back to life again And ice climbers weren't popular before melee
Half of them are deconfirmed for now
Then why a lot of people aren't disappointed about the remake
Just because you don't want Geno doesn't mean everybody else shouldn't

Snake is also a Stealth Game icon and MGS revolutionised story telling in games.
Mega Man is a platforming icon from the NES era.
Sonic was Mario's old rival. Also a gaming icon.
Pac-Man is a gaming icon dating back to the arcades.
Ryu is a fighting game icon. SSF2 was crazy popular on the SNES.

Geno is a character that has appeared as a party member and later a cameo. In terms of SE characters Cloud, Kefka, Sephiroth, Slime, Black Mage, Cid Moogles and Chocobos are far more well known.

The thing is a lot of people doesn't really care about requesting a final fantasy or dragon quest character I don't see other square Enix characters that's close to geno level of support and make a bigger hype than him (exept sora and crono) because a lot of people have been waiting him to appear in a game again since 19 years also he is the easiest square character to get the right to use him because he is a part of Nintendo and a Mario character

 

[Burruni]

I didn't say they gave them Geno I said they did let alphadream use Geno in MLSSS
Smash bros does brings forgotten characters Back to life again And ice climbers weren't popular before melee
Half of them are deconfirmed for now
Then why a lot of people aren't disappointed about the remake
Just because you don't want Geno doesn't mean everybody else shouldn't

The thing is a lot of people doesn't really care about requesting a final fantasy or dragon quest character I don't see other square Enix characters that's close to geno level of support and make a bigger hype than him (exept sora and crono) because a lot of people have been waiting him to appear in a game again since 19 years also he is the easiest square character to get the right to use him because he is a part of Nintendo and a Mario character

Those "dead" or "forgotten" characters are SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN as quirky retro characters to embody a gimmick or moveset. And all but embody Nintendo HARDWARE. & by the products of the same name and with the Zapper.
It isn't comparable. Period.
And there's nothing that makes him "easiest to use" because he's part Mario.
If anything. a character in Mario Sports Mix would be because the rights to use them has been fairly recent, and a REPEATED usage in a Mario game. Slime from Fortune Street, the FF characters from 3 on 3.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I didn't say they gave them Geno I said they did let alphadream use Geno in MLSSS
Smash bros does brings forgotten characters Back to life again And ice climbers weren't popular before melee
Half of them are deconfirmed for now
Then why a lot of people aren't disappointed about the remake
Just because you don't want Geno doesn't mean everybody else shouldn't

The thing is a lot of people doesn't really care about requesting a final fantasy or dragon quest character I don't see other square Enix characters that's close to geno level of support and make a bigger hype than him (exept sora and crono) because a lot of people have been waiting him to appear in a game again since 19 years also he is the easiest square character to get the right to use him because he is a part of Nintendo and a Mario character

If a third party character is forgotten then that means it's not an icon. Therefore it doesn't apply to Sakurai's criteria.
Because I'm cynical and people were hyped at the announcement, so hyped they didn't realize there was no gameplay, SE does this all the time
Just because you want Geno doesn't mean the rest of the world wants him. I've only seen him do well recently in 1 popularity poll. Your blind ignorance has made me, and many others, go from 'meh' to 'I want this character erased from existence'

 

[Burruni]

If a third party character is forgotten then that means it's not an icon. Therefore it doesn't apply to Sakurai's criteria.
Because I'm cynical and people were hyped at the announcement, so hyped they didn't realize there was no gameplay, SE does this all the time
Just because you want Geno doesn't mean the rest of the world wants him. I've only seen him do well recently in 1 popularity poll. Your blind ignorance has made me, and many others, go from 'meh' to 'I want this character erased from existence'

Arrogance, not ignorance.
Ignorance is not knowing something.
Arrogance is acting like someting doesn't matter.
AND THIS IS FROM SOMEONE WHO PUT GENO ON THEIR EARLIER SMASH 4 WISH/PREDICTION ROSTERS.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Arrogance, not ignorance.
Ignorance is not knowing something.
Arrogance is acting like someting doesn't matter.
AND THIS IS FROM SOMEONE WHO PUT GENO ON THEIR EARLIER SMASH 4 WISH/PREDICTION ROSTERS.

I haven't lived in England for 7 years, it rubs off a bit sadly
Ignorance technically applies here too as Geno Boost is blissfully unaware of the fact Geno is dead in the gaming industry

 

[AncientTobacco]

I can't believe there's still people who've deluded themselves into thinking Geno stands a chance.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I can't believe there's still people who've deluded themselves into thinking Geno stands a chance.

Considering your profile says you're living in the past, those are strong words

 

[Schnee117]

The thing is a lot of people doesn't really care about requesting a final fantasy or dragon quest character I don't see other square Enix characters that's close to geno level of support and make a bigger hype than him (exept sora and crono) because a lot of people have been waiting him to appear in a game again since 19 years also he is the easiest square character to get the right to use him because he is a part of Nintendo and a Mario character

Because when most people think SE these days they assume the following:
A. Crappy modern FF games like 13.
B. MS and Sony associations (which has never been a problem )
C. Kingdom Hearts, Tomb Raider and Deus Ex.
Not many take into account the SNES era (which mattered with who was an icon from the time unlike Geno) or the sports spin-offs SE made or the Dragon Quest games.

Geno's support is from SMRPG. That's it. And it's been decaying since Brawl. The fact he hasn't made a major appearance since then as a third party is really damning for him.

If he were the easiest Square character to get he would have been in the Mario spin-offs Square made wouldn't he? Instead we get DQ and FF characters like Slimes, Black Mages, Ninjas, Moogles, White Mages and Cactuar.