Character Discussion Thread

[Chandeelure]

it isnt worth arguing with someone who will purposely misconstrue a statement for their own benefit.

Yeah, he always does that, his ability to make good arguments is just like Geno's chances.

 

[Burruni]

So, post E3 and what not.
Guess it's time for me to update my brief, Chronobound-esque "Future characters by series," leaning more towards Smash 5 but DLC certainly being able to pick from any active characters on the lists.
This is SOLELY going to be talking about Newcomers.

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Honestly, the series has all-but been tapped for the major series, so we namely go down to sub series.

Captain Toad: The "more distinct" version of the fairly iconic character/race dating back to even Melee fake leaks. Dating back to Super Mario Galaxy, he's had a repeating but very minor role in those two games before being occasional palette cleanser levels in Super Mario 3D World which sprung up his own Spin-Off game. His odds HEAVILY rely on how major he is used in the series moving on and how big his support is kept.

Waluigi: The character made FOR the Mario Spin-Offs as early as Tennis on the N64. A very quirky character with a significant fanbase and odd arsenal in his specials alone in the spin-offs that could be constructed into a fighter. Sakurai is at least aware that he's fairly well requested (by the PotD reveal of his Assist Trophy).

Daisy: While sharing as many roles as Waluigi in spin-offs and starting in a "true" Mario game, her popularity has always been lesser, and she has not struck out as much as a character who MANY see more fitting as an alternate costume for Peach (not just the poor color swap that has been present since Melee).

Paper Mario: The major and distinct RPG incarnate of Mario officially sealed with being his own identity with Mario & Luigi RPG 5 - Paper Jam. Could still retain a near-entirely unique moveset despite being a version of Mario. His fairly significant popularity internationally could really make him a contender.

Geno: The hyper-popular 3rd Party character in the age of Brawl Speculation who lost most of his popularity by the time of Smash 4. His lack of a second major appearance, even with his rights claimed to be given to Alphadream (citation needed because I've not seen official saying on it, just that they'd like to bring Geno & Mallow back in a game). His demand seems to have crested around 2010 and has fallen out of favor.

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This series is too minor with no major or demanded character to note. The closest is Kamek, who is just a normal Magikoopa in Japan's terminology.

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K. Rool: A MASSIVELY requested and "deserving" character off of credentials. The only thing against him is lack of a major recent appearance but the constant demand for him to return for the next DKC: Returns game shows heavy support has not truly wavered.

Dixie Kong: The third protagonist for the Donkey Kong series with a major role for Tropical Freeze and was planned to some extent in Brawl as a tag partner for Diddy Kong. Has significant demand and noticable demand.

Cranky Kong: The third partner in Tropical Freeze and significant NPC for the Donkey Kong series as a whole, mainly played as the rival to K. Rool with some kind of history between them. The only other DK character worth noting but lack of high demand and little usage in an active role keeps things in heavy question in comparison to his competition for the minor amount of content drawn for the series.

(Wario Land & World)

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Captain Syrup: The only major character of the series to note. Not in particular high demand, and with the series neglect present, the only real hopes for her is it Sakurai is adamant on her being the embodiment to fill a pirate niche.

(WarioWare)

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Ashley: She's one of very few characters of the series to have noticeable demand, and one of fewer with major potential visible for a moveset. She was able to become an assist trophy in Smash 4 but odds are that is as major as her role will be.

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There's no explicit contender that can be pointed to right now.

I do not see a character from current generations getting a new character, and like with Smash 4, Smash 5 will introduce a single new Pokemon character and it will be a significant one from Generation 7 or 8, most likely a Starter but may be a situation of being highlighted by GameFreak in games and Nintendo by films.

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Bandana Dee: The single most likely newcomer for the series. Noticably significant demand, series importance with 3 up played roles in the recent titles in a series where characters are normally dropped after a game or two, and the potential for a moveset inherently.

Dark Matter: The most lasting major villain for the series who gets references in most final bosses. The only other character with enough of a role in the series to be noted.

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Ganon: The main overarching villain for the series and the more dominant form of Ganondorf for the series. Given how Link and Zelda have had two distinct identities as fighters, it is no stretch to say that Ganondorf could receive one as well. His magic and trident of power pack the potential as a fighter, and his usage for the NintendoLand attraction and Link Between Worlds gives hope that he may become a final boss in a number of upcoming future games as well. Lacks a heavy amount of support.

Toon Zelda: Was worked on in Brawl to some capacity. Has middling support. Given the most interesting aspect of her was moved to Zelda as a new Down Special, there is little that appears major for her.

Tetra: Hyrule Warriors - Legends brought her back and has raised support temporarily. Her having a significant role in Wind Waker and a Japan-exclusive GameCube title makes her another form of Zelda with the potential of a pirate like Sheik to a Ninja. Her support is noticable, but likely not enough to overcome her lack of influence on the series as a whole.

Impa: A historically minor side character with highlighting in Skyward Sword for her first major usage and Hyrule Warriors as one more predominant fighter. Her hopes lie in how much the series will use her moving forward. However, Link Between Worlds gives the impression that she will return more to her role as an elderly sage of nurse rather than the Sheikah Ninja.

Tingle: The weirdly infectous character significantly loved in Japan to warrant 3 spin-off games as a protagonist while hated overseas. His limited popularity and embodiment as an Assist Trophy likely means that he will keep his role in future assignments.

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Krystal: One of two characters worth noting. Noticeably strong in support internationally, but with each game and each year her staff which many clamor to for the source of her moveset becomes less relevant and her lack of a known role so far in Star Fox: Zero is not an optimistic one for her.

Slippy Toad: While often suggested as a joke, is the kind of a joke that fits the Sakurai charm for being a very tech-heavy arsenal fighter akin to Snake. Has some support but not enough to really make a splash, more likely to croak.

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Ridley: The Elephant in the Room. High Demand. Very significant credentials. Everything K. Rool has and arguably more but with the issue that Sakurai has, for two games straight, been adamant about his grounds that Ridley would not work well as a fighter and far better as a boss as he has been now. If there is another director for Smash 5 or a new design for Ridley in a Metroid title that works more adaptably in Metroid, his chances are significant. Otherwise, it is one plagued with doubt. Especially with his popularity taking a strong hit after Smash 4.

Dark Samus: The Metroid Villain who is most easily transitionable as a fighter, but lacks importance to the series as a whole and likely will reprise her role for Smash 5.

Sylux & Rundas: The problems of Dark Samus with less popularity of significance.

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With the series as it is, the most likely situation is it keeping the two characters it has now. Nobody is significant enough to note in spite of the series being by all means dead.

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Black Shadow: The only F-Zero racer with a notable amount of support. His hopes have and continue to lie with Ganondorf being overhauled and Black Shadow taking the Falcondorf Moveset. At this point, it seems like it will never occur and there is little else for the character to run with.

Samurai Goroh: Captain Falcon's rival and current Assist Trophy who will most likely reprise his role. The lack of strong popularity only reaffirms this stance.
The series situation dwarfs the impact of other racers.

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Anna: The only non-protagonist to be worth mentioning. Appearing in all but one game and being a developer-favorite used in a very versatile way while being hidden away as a character to be found by the player in Awakening and Fates.

Beyond this, Fates will be too late for Smash 4 and too early for Smash 5, a protagonist from FE15/16 being far more likely, and the series likely to see only a single newcomer.

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With Pikmin being such a small series and Olimar, with an Alph alt, encompassing all gameplay functions for a player and the series as a whole it is HIGHLY doubtful the series will see another fighter.

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Medusa: The villain of the original, first arc of Uprising, and unsure of her role for Myths & Monsters. The only Kid Icarus character worth mentioning though it is doubtful it will even retain all three characters it even has now. While Hades & Viridi are major for Uprising, they lack massive support and the importance that Medusa holds.

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Isabelle: The heartwarming assistant who has been more and more up-played with everything revolving around Animal Crossing since New Leaf. Her popularity out of cuteness making her the most likely newcomer for the series if it is to get one.

Tom Nook: The only other major Animal Crossing character. Less popular, less promoted, but one who has been a staple since the N64 title.

... MOVING ON!

.... MOVING ON!

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I do not see a third Xenoblade happening before Smash 5.
I don't see any character from Xenoblade Chronicles happening.

Of Xenoblade Chronicles X, Cross is a "passive" My Unit instead of an active one like , in that the plot happens around him instead of helping to drive it.

Elma, however, has... some support and seems to appear to be the most significant character out of the Xenoblade Chronicles X cast.

Other Misc. Series

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Rhythm Heaven - The most controversy-sparking series for Smash discussion after the Gematsu leaks, emblem in the WiiU unused data, and music on the Miiverse stage. One of the most likely to get a character come Smash 5 is The Best + and likely another game before Smash 5 hold well for sells and popularity.

Golden Sun (Isaac) - While a fairly dormant series, it is one with major demand to come back, and Isaac was one of the biggest requested characters for Brawl and remains one to this time. If popularity does not significantly drop and especially if a Golden Sun 4 is confirmed with adult Isaac as the protagonist, he is a certain mark for the roster.

Chibi-Robo: A middling series that appears to be getting more highlight by Nintendo that has a certain quirkiness that makes him a "zany" fighter for Smash 5 akin to Game & Watch or Wii Fit Trainer.

Advance Wars: The less popular sister series to Fire Emblem is worth notifying if Intelligent Systems makes a significant sequel between Fire Emblem and a probable Paper Mario title between our Smash titles. Has had mild support and was noticeable enough for an Assist Trophy.

Fossil Fighters: A Pokemon-like monster raising game that has gained much traction after its beginning on the DS that may gain a fighter if subsequent titles gain significantly more popularity.

Retro

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Arguably the hardest "region" of fighters to try to guess. The only major character I can note is Takamaru, who Sakurai considered and wanted for Smash 4, but claimed lacked international popularity and knowledge. His role in Smash 4 as an assist trophy can easily be the nail in the coffin for this argument.

3rd Party

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Your guess is as good as mine.
Black Mage with Final Fantasy is a Megaman tier character and series to draw out for Smash Bros. 5.

Rayman has fairly significant support and is a notable character but not quite an icon.

Shantae is the most likely Indie character, if they're even on the radar. Going off the point that indies may be seen under a different light than "hard seller" 3rd Parties.

And, just to note. I think we may see an expansion to ... like a "Miigician" or "Mii Mage" hell, even a "Mii Thief."

God my hands hurt from doing all that. Probably missed some things I should've mentioned.

 

[Doompatron3000]

Rundas > Sylux > Dark Samus > Adam Malkovich

Considering the possible Metroid Prime 4 plot, Sylux actually stands the most chance.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/17/e3-2015-what-metroid-primes-producer-wants-in-the-next-sequel

 

[EmceeEspio]

Edit: Wrong Thread. I feel like an idiot.

While I'm here, I'd like to say that Ridley is the #1 deserving Metroid rep. Behind him is Dark Samus.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

@ Burruni Dude, seriously, when you gonna get that Donbe and Hikari thread up. I've been really wanting to show my support for them and I don't want to or have the knowledge to make a thread of theirs.


btw someone should totally start a Goku thread. Now I know what you're thinking
"Goku! He's an anime character. He can't be in Smash!"

I'm not talking about that Goku, I'm talking about the one from Yuyuki on the Famicom. I just have really gotten into the idea of seeing the three Japan Famicom only group in Smash (Takamaru, Donbe and Hikari, and Goku).

btw here's what he looks like if any of you want to know

 

[MainJPW]

@ Burruni Dude, seriously, when you gonna get that Donbe and Hikari thread up. I've been really wanting to show my support for them and I don't want to or have the knowledge to make a thread of theirs.


btw someone should totally start a Goku thread. Now I know what you're thinking
"Goku! He's an anime character. He can't be in Smash!"

I'm not talking about that Goku, I'm talking about the one from Yuyuki on the Famicom. I just have really gotten into the idea of seeing the three Japan Famicom only group in Smash (Takamaru, Donbe and Hikari, and Goku).

btw here's what he looks like if any of you want to know

Off topic but mentioning both these Gokus reminds me of these pieces of art from Toriyama.

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[StormC]

When you're talking about series where each game has a self contained narrative that likely will not effect future games, such as Xenoblade (and Fire Emblem, to an extent,) they kind of do.

It's not like we'll likely see Shulk in the future.

There's a big big big difference in a one-off main character that's playable versus a one-off villain/boss, though. At that point you might as well just call them "villain reps."

If there isn't a villain from the series that makes sense to be added, perhaps then they shouldn't get one just for the sake of having one.

 

[Geno Boost]

Alright, there's a few questions that I've been genuinely interested in getting a Geno fan to explain to me, so I'd appreciate it if you could take your time to explain these to me:

1. Why do you think Smash Bros. is the place to try and get him to return to the Mario series rather than asking for him to be included in Mario Kart?

Considering that series seems desperate for new characters to include(evidenced by having to create some in Pink Gold Peach, Baby Rosalina/Daisy, and now even guest characters from other series to pad it out) surely this would be a superior platform to reintroduce Geno and Mallow as Mario staples, where they only have to compete with other Mario characters for a placement rather than the entirety of Nintendo's creations?

2. I keep hearing Geno is different from other Mario characters thus why he's liked so much. May I ask how he is different?

Self explanatory.

Side note: a RPG allows for better narrative flow than a sports game or a platformer in all fairness since there's plenty of dialogue.

Even so; this is Daisy's backstory:
Daisy is the tomboyish and energetic princess from Sarasaland. Her kingdom is invaded by the alien Tatanga who hypnotises her people causing them to become violent, before the alien kidnaps her to marry her and become the new ruler of the four lands that make up Daisy's kingdom.
It is implied in Super Mario Land 2 that Tatanga was actually hired by Wario in order to keep Mario busy long enough for him to take over Mario Land. Daisy was a pawn in Wario's grand scheme.

I mean, I don't think that's a bad backstory for someone who is considered a spinoff character 90% of the time. Good for you Daisy.

Nintendo doesn't add RPG characters in party/kart/tennis games because they are too lazy to make a 3D model of them also Also smash bros is a place where a lot of character gets revived back to life for example And you can count some of the assist trophy too

SNES RPG story is way better than a story that was on the gameboy and has no feelings I didn't see anybody who did care about daisy backstory like rosalina and bowser jr.

False! SSS SPECIFICALLY says SE owns Geno! Why didn't SE use Geno before that game? Metroid went 8 years without a proper game and is still waiting for one, Nintendo does bad choices with old stuff all the time, Geno isn't an exception if Nintendo truly owns him.

I've been on Youtube. You were one of the only 5 Geno supporters I saw there. Everyone else said he was impossible and that they didn't care, his popularity isn't as much as it was 8 years ago! Top 15 for Japan? That's not good enough as 5 more characters are the maximum people expect, especially as there is a much smaller budget! And SE would have to say yes, but they've copyrighted a video about Final Fantasy before because Cloud's hair was used without permission. I can bring evidence, Jim Sterling made a video on it

Square Enix can't put Geno in a final fantasy game because he is a Mario character they need to ask for permission first to have him in their games and also I already explained why they didn't use him in Mario sport mix and fortune street also Geno is part of Nintendo so he is only can be used between square Enix and Nintendo games

5 Geno supports WHAT?! I have seen a lot of other people that were supporting Geno

Square Enix did put final fantasy characters and dragon quest characters in Mario games they didn't say no and they did allow Nintendo to use geno in super Mario-kun comics and MLSSS so no problem if we asked for a square Enix character to be in smash

 

[aldelaro5]

I think someone should do a francis thread, but because it would require too much work, i don;t have much time to do it

Seriously, francis needs support

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I think someone should do a francis thread, but because it would require too much work, i don;t have much time to do it

Seriously, francis needs support

Lol, had to look up who Francis was, but no.

 

[aldelaro5]

Lol, had to look up who Francis was, but no.

only people who played spm will understand the point.....

But basically, it's a joke, but there;s a good reasons why

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

only people who played spm will understand the point.....

But basically, it's a joke, but there;s a good reasons why

I actually knew who he was, just forgot the name. To my knowledge, he's a creep/nerd who does this choice picking game and captures Tippi (that's her name right).

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Can I ask something? Where is all this Dark Matter stuff coming from?

Like, I want Bandana Dee a lot, he is my most wanted character tied with Inklings, but did Magolor become chop liver?

I mean, for one he is alive. Two, he has been in multiple recent Kirby stuff. Three, he even has a trophy. Dark matter and the Dreamland games meanwhile got nothing, except a pop star song on Dreamland 64. (And thats saying a lot since Return to Dreamland barely got anything itself.) Heck, throw in C-R-O-W-N-E-D as a song HAL loves to keep throwing into the games, (a song heavily associated with Magolor), and yeah.

I mean really, I feel the only two possibilities are Bandana Dee and Magolor. I am generally curious why is Dark Matter being considered?

 

[aldelaro5]

I actually knew who he was, just forgot the name. To my knowledge, he's a creep/nerd who does this choice picking game and captures Tippi (that's her name right).

yeah, but it's more than this.

going to spoiler this because....if you haven;t palyed spm you need to not know this until you do play it:

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He really is like the embodiment of fanboyism. Seriously, the text writting was so freaking hilarious, it;s just I think the best ch of the game 3-4. You just can't forget swwon.exe, it;s the most hialrious scene of the whole series imo. What made this character so awesome is that it;s a huge elaborated parody on fanboyism, it's really clever and it is filled with TTYD and pm64 references.

The whole point of the thread is a joke, but you could get that joke so far that it just needs to be done

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Can I ask something? Where is all this Dark Matter stuff coming from?

Like, I want Bandana Dee a lot, he is my most wanted character tied with Inklings, but did Magolor become chop liver?

I mean, for one he is alive. Two, he has been in multiple recent Kirby stuff. Three, he even has a trophy. Dark matter and the Dreamland games meanwhile got nothing, except a pop star song on Dreamland 64. (And thats saying a lot since Return to Dreamland barely got anything itself.) Heck, throw in C-R-O-W-N-E-D as a song HAL loves to keep throwing into the games, (a song heavily associated with Magolor), and yeah.

I mean really, I feel the only two possibilities are Bandana Dee and Magolor. I am generally curious why is Dark Matter being considered?

I believe he's reoccurring and is somewhat important.

 

[Chandeelure]

Can I ask something? Where is all this Dark Matter stuff coming from?

Like, I want Bandana Dee a lot, he is my most wanted character tied with Inklings, but did Magolor become chop liver?

I mean, for one he is alive. Two, he has been in multiple recent Kirby stuff. Three, he even has a trophy. Dark matter and the Dreamland games meanwhile got nothing, except a pop star song on Dreamland 64. (And thats saying a lot since Return to Dreamland barely got anything itself.) Heck, throw in C-R-O-W-N-E-D as a song HAL loves to keep throwing into the games, (a song heavily associated with Magolor), and yeah.

I mean really, I feel the only two possibilities are Bandana Dee and Magolor. I am generally curious why is Dark Matter being considered?

Because muh villains and muh nostalgia.
People don't really know Magolor, he is pretty unpopular here sadly, unlike in Japan.

He is not a super popular character there, but he is at least considered a possibility.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I want to first clarify that I mean in terms of a chance of Dark Matter getting in, and not "I want this character."

So with that said

I believe he's reoccurring and is somewhat important.

I disagree with this. His main roles were the dreamland games, (counting 64), and thats it. Thats about 3 games and a couple of cameos here and there, and a minigame boss fight in mass attack.

The main problem with the idea of him of having a reasonable chance, is that he has nothing going for him NOW, nothing to have tons of people go to the the smash ballot for people to vote for. Bandana Dee is currently the highest rated Kirby character as well. We basically have a Robin, Rosalina, etc type deal. Sure, you might be able to prove Dark matter is popular, but Bandana Dee and Magolor are more so and have more recent stuff for people to gravitate towards.

In fact, funnily enough, the most recent thing involving Dark Matter would be the anniversary collection...which also heavily featured Magolor.

Honestly, Bandana Dee and Magolor are already characters that are scrapping by for a spot, Dark Matter has nothing. Especially when Sakurai wants fanservice.

Because muh villains and muh nostalgia.
People don't really know Magolor, he is pretty unpopular here sadly, unlike in Japan.

He is not a super popular character there, but he is at least considered a possibility.

Didn't know Banjo Kazooie was popular in japan. Interesting.

 

[StormC]

Dark Matter has been the main villain of several games, represents the "evil eldritch" side of Kirby, and would be an unexpected but interesting choice. I'm not saying his chances are great, but that's why I'm interested in him at least.

Don't be so dismissive @ Chandeelure .

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

So anyone wanna make that Goku thread. The one from Yuyuki of course.

 

[StormC]

What's the deal with Magolor though? Why are so many Japanese fans suddenly gravitating towards him? I'm pretty confused myself.

 

[Chandeelure]

I just found this in the japanese Miiverse XD

What's the deal with Magolor though? Why are so many Japanese fans suddenly gravitating towards him? I'm pretty confused myself.

Probably because he is like Marx (one of the most popular Kirby characters), but with a better design, recency and more appearances. Also, Magolor can actually attack without the help of the master crown, Marx is just useless without the power of Nova... and he is dead.

Also, his design is really cute, Japan loves "kawaii" things.

Dark Matter sounds really cool, but even as a Kirby fan I think it's a bit random.

But yeah, like I said, Magolor is not a super popular character in Japan, he is just there, as a possibility.

 

[YoshiandToad]

First; thanks for getting back to me. I feel like you skipped point 2 completely though.

Nintendo doesn't add RPG characters in party/kart/tennis games because they are too lazy to make a 3D model of them also

Granted whilst this appears true, Geno and Mallow mean more to the Mario series than Nintendo as a whole. Perhaps it's time for people to start telling Nintendo they want RPG characters and the likes of E.Gadd in Kart.

Also smash bros is a place where a lot of character gets revived back to life for example And you can count some of the assist trophy too

Arguable. Very arguable.

Revived game series:
got a game per console after his Melee debut.
/ getting a singular new game in their series and mostly because Sakurai was the one who showed an interest(time will tell if we get a new one)

Non revived:
inclusion didn't even manage to get a western release for Mother 3.
inclusion only got Earthbound shipped to Europe 13 years after his debut in Smash.
got a single cameo in Donkey Kong Returns. His game series stopped releasing a year after his Melee debut.
A handful of cameos at best in the Warioware series.

Too early to tell:
I love Duck Hunt, but I doubt we'll get a Duck Hunt Uprising ever.

Also being in Smash did wonders to keep 's series strong. was struggling for a while there too and 's series would of been killed off had it not been for the sudden success of Awakening.

SNES RPG story is way better than a story that was on the gameboy and has no feelings I didn't see anybody who did care about daisy backstory like rosalina and bowser jr.

I'll give you that Geno obviously has a better backstory than Daisy. Mario isn't exactly known for it's diverse tragic backstories after all; A princess gets kidnapped, go jump on turtles, leap over lava pits and defeat Bowser to save her as a portly plumber.

But does backstory really matter in a game where the goal is to beat the stuffing out of one another? Most of the Smash cast don't have much backstory to speak of.

 

[PushDustIn]

gonna do a little research.Not really a geno hater just hate when people get there facts wrong

Let me know if you find anything. Working on translating that post into Japanese with the other translators at SG, so it should see a refresh in the near future. We don't want to miss anything.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Nintendo doesn't add RPG characters in party/kart/tennis games because they are too lazy to make a 3D model of them also Also smash bros is a place where a lot of character gets revived back to life for example And you can count some of the assist trophy too

SNES RPG story is way better than a story that was on the gameboy and has no feelings I didn't see anybody who did care about daisy backstory like rosalina and bowser jr.

Square Enix can't put Geno in a final fantasy game because he is a Mario character they need to ask for permission first to have him in their games and also I already explained why they didn't use him in Mario sport mix and fortune street also Geno is part of Nintendo so he is only can be used between square Enix and Nintendo games

5 Geno supports WHAT?! I have seen a lot of other people that were supporting Geno

Square Enix did put final fantasy characters and dragon quest characters in Mario games they didn't say no and they did allow Nintendo to use geno in super Mario-kun comics and MLSSS so no problem if we asked for a square Enix character to be in smash

Nintendo too lazy to put them in? Citation needed.
Palutena came in AFTER Uprising, and Mother3 was a recent game by the time Lucas was playable back in Brawl, hell, Lucas was planned in Melee but Mother 3 got delayed.
Story here means nothing, besides, it's opinion based. I prefer th M&L stories personally because they have more charm, not to mention the fact that just because you don't care doesn't mean no body else does.
SE couldn't use Geno between SMRPG and SSS because Nintendo owned him then despite SSS credits providing evidence is what you're telling me. Not to mention, CITATION NEEDED
How is Geno a part of Nintendo? If you say 'mario game' then explain how Bomberman isn't more of a Nintendo character and why Nintendo NEVER used Geno in anything.
You have seen lots of Geno support...On the Geno thread. Everywhere else people agree that he's not happening.
SE has changed over the years and again, has become super stingy with their IP, if the are willing to strike a copyright claim on a youtube video because it has Cloud's HAIR! Why would they suddenly say 'okay' not to mention there are other SE characters more fitting with Nintendo. Agnes, Terra, Black Mage, even Sora and Lara Croft have more notable Nintendo roles than Geno. I understand you're young and want Geno badly. But for ****s sake grow some realism. I'm still pissed Ridley's likely never going to be playable but hey! I still support him! And I acknowledge the fact he has to wait at least 1 game before being playable! Loads of people around also seem bitter at Geno fans for saying that Geno is likely and possible to the point where even the anti Ridley think Geno fans are in the most denial. Geno scores about top 15 in polls apparently, unless we get 15 ballot characters, we aren't getting Geno. Get that through your skull and grow up unless you want to be mocked

 

[Schnee117]

Square Enix can't put Geno in a final fantasy game because he is a Mario character they need to ask for permission first to have him in their games and also I already explained why they didn't use him in Mario sport mix and fortune street also Geno is part of Nintendo so he is only can be used between square Enix and Nintendo games

5 Geno supports WHAT?! I have seen a lot of other people that were supporting Geno

Square Enix did put final fantasy characters and dragon quest characters in Mario games they didn't say no and they did allow Nintendo to use geno in super Mario-kun comics and MLSSS so no problem if we asked for a square Enix character to be in smash

Yay comics and a small cameo...
SE made those Mario games you mentioned like Fortune Street, Sports Mix and Hoops 3 on 3. There's a difference between making a game and being asked to have an obscure nobody (heyo puns!) in a Crossover that SE won't make.
And those characters have more video game appearances in Mario alone than Geno plus they aren't nobodies.
Black Mage is one of the first things to think of when someone says Final Fantasy alongside Cid, Chocobos and Moogles.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hoops 3 on 3.

Goddamn, I forgot this exists. If SE workedon it and had SE characters and Mario characters, the fact Geno isn't in the game is pretty damn important

 

[AncientTobacco]

Marx is just useless without the power of Nova... and he is dead.

Actually, going by the "Kirby Master" cutscenes in KRtD and Triple Deluxe, he is alive and well...

In Triple Deluxe, he sits next to Magolor in the audience (and in KRtD Magolor implies a connection between the two).

 

[DJ3DS]

To @ Geno Boost and any others adamantly defending him:

1) Wolf
2) King K Rool
3) Dixie Kong
4) Krystal
5) Bandana Dee
6) Isaac
7) Paper Mario
8) Inkling

Here's a list of 8 characters who are of noticeable popularity in the ballot (and in many cases, significantly more so than Geno by any indication we have) who are definitively owned by Nintendo and who have all appeared more recently than Geno (and that's including his SSS cameo). Why would Nintendo jump through the hoops and costs of licensing him for this game over these equally requested characters, who would be easier to implement?

 

[Geno Boost]

First; thanks for getting back to me. I feel like you skipped point 2 completely though.



Granted whilst this appears true, Geno and Mallow mean more to the Mario series than Nintendo as a whole. Perhaps it's time for people to start telling Nintendo they want RPG characters and the likes of E.Gadd in Kart.



Arguable. Very arguable.

Revived game series:
got a game per console after his Melee debut.
/ getting a singular new game in their series and mostly because Sakurai was the one who showed an interest(time will tell if we get a new one)

Non revived:
inclusion didn't even manage to get a western release for Mother 3.
inclusion only got Earthbound shipped to Europe 13 years after his debut in Smash.
got a single cameo in Donkey Kong Returns. His game series stopped releasing a year after his Melee debut.
A handful of cameos at best in the Warioware series.

Too early to tell:
I love Duck Hunt, but I doubt we'll get a Duck Hunt Uprising ever.

Also being in Smash did wonders to keep 's series strong. was struggling for a while there too and 's series would of been killed off had it not been for the sudden success of Awakening.



I'll give you that Geno obviously has a better backstory than Daisy. Mario isn't exactly known for it's diverse tragic backstories after all; A princess gets kidnapped, go jump on turtles, leap over lava pits and defeat Bowser to save her as a portly plumber.

But does backstory really matter in a game where the goal is to beat the stuffing out of one another? Most of the Smash cast don't have much backstory to speak of.

I called ness and Lucas revived characters because they have no future the franchise is dead and it won't come back

I know Mario isn't about back stories

Nintendo too lazy to put them in? Citation needed.
Palutena came in AFTER Uprising, and Mother3 was a recent game by the time Lucas was playable back in Brawl, hell, Lucas was planned in Melee but Mother 3 got delayed.
Story here means nothing, besides, it's opinion based. I prefer th M&L stories personally because they have more charm, not to mention the fact that just because you don't care doesn't mean no body else does.
SE couldn't use Geno between SMRPG and SSS because Nintendo owned him then despite SSS credits providing evidence is what you're telling me. Not to mention, CITATION NEEDED
How is Geno a part of Nintendo? If you say 'mario game' then explain how Bomberman isn't more of a Nintendo character and why Nintendo NEVER used Geno in anything.
You have seen lots of Geno support...On the Geno thread. Everywhere else people agree that he's not happening.
SE has changed over the years and again, has become super stingy with their IP, if the are willing to strike a copyright claim on a youtube video because it has Cloud's HAIR! Why would they suddenly say 'okay' not to mention there are other SE characters more fitting with Nintendo. Agnes, Terra, Black Mage, even Sora and Lara Croft have more notable Nintendo roles than Geno. I understand you're young and want Geno badly. But for ****s sake grow some realism. I'm still pissed Ridley's likely never going to be playable but hey! I still support him! And I acknowledge the fact he has to wait at least 1 game before being playable! Loads of people around also seem bitter at Geno fans for saying that Geno is likely and possible to the point where even the anti Ridley think Geno fans are in the most denial. Geno scores about top 15 in polls apparently, unless we get 15 ballot characters, we aren't getting Geno. Get that through your skull and grow up unless you want to be mocked

I know the story means nothing but I prefer a character who has a story over someone who doesn't because I feel they did something special
I didn't say geno is owned by Nintendo I said square Enix can't use Geno in thier games because he is a Mario character unless if he ended up by getting his own game so he can turn like banjo after diddy kong racing
A part of Nintendo means a character who's created in a Nintendo game like banjo and conker
Not on the Geno thread I saw a lot more on tumblr and YouTube and Twitter and deivenart
That's just your opinion if your telling me if he is happening or not
SE are not "always" like this
Square Enix might have black Mage and other stuff but a character who's a part of Nintendo is better if it's about smash also getting the right to geno would be easier than any other SE characters because he is a Mario character
Nobody said geno is likley because nobody knows his real chances but he is possible
This wasn't the official ballout poll it's just shows what most japaness has voted so you know that he is still requested a lot
Also why you did bring the word "Grow up" here it has nothing to in smashboards because it's just about a video game

Yay comics and a small cameo...
SE made those Mario games you mentioned like Fortune Street, Sports Mix and Hoops 3 on 3. There's a difference between making a game and being asked to have an obscure nobody (heyo puns!) in a Crossover that SE won't make.
And those characters have more video game appearances in Mario alone than Geno plus they aren't nobodies.
Black Mage is one of the first things to think of when someone says Final Fantasy alongside Cid, Chocobos and Moogles.

None other square Enix got history ONLY with Nintendo other than Geno also most people I have seen doesn't really care about requesting for a final fantasy character and dragon quest character, geno is the most requested square Enix character since brawl because he is a part of Nintendo and he can represent the relationship between Nintendo and square Enix when they teamed up for the first time in SMRPG and was the beginning before Mario sport mix and fortune street
people think first cloud not black Mage because he is The most popular one

 

[Geno Boost]

To @ Geno Boost and any others adamantly defending him:

1) Wolf
2) King K Rool
3) Dixie Kong
4) Krystal
5) Bandana Dee
6) Isaac
7) Paper Mario
8) Inkling

Here's a list of 8 characters who are of noticeable popularity in the ballot (and in many cases, significantly more so than Geno by any indication we have) who are definitively owned by Nintendo and who have all appeared more recently than Geno (and that's including his SSS cameo). Why would Nintendo jump through the hoops and costs of licensing him for this game over these equally requested characters, who would be easier to implement?

Keep geno away from them because he is a 3rd party don't mix a 3rd party character with 1st party character

 

[TallT]

To @ Geno Boost and any others adamantly defending him:

1) Wolf
2) King K Rool
3) Dixie Kong
4) Krystal
5) Bandana Dee
6) Isaac
7) Paper Mario
8) Inkling

Here's a list of 8 characters who are of noticeable popularity in the ballot (and in many cases, significantly more so than Geno by any indication we have) who are definitively owned by Nintendo and who have all appeared more recently than Geno (and that's including his SSS cameo). Why would Nintendo jump through the hoops and costs of licensing him for this game over these equally requested characters, who would be easier to implement?

This is exactly how I feel about all third parties that aren't heavily requested worldwide.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I called ness and Lucas revived characters because they have no future the franchise is dead and it won't come back

I know Mario isn't about back stories but look at the Mario characters that we got in smash they all have fun and party and stuff like that we need a serious character that isn't a type of fun Geno is the only playable character in Mario universe that hasn't been in something like party or some stuff like that, zelda seires playable character are all serious characters but they have at least 1 character that actually have fun toon link so why not Mario get at least 1 serious character

I know the story means nothing but I prefer a character who has a story over someone who doesn't because I feel they did something special
I didn't say geno is owned by Nintendo I said square Enix can't use Geno in thier games because he is a Mario character unless if he ended up by getting his own game so he can turn like banjo after diddy kong racing
A part of Nintendo means a character who's created in a Nintendo game like banjo and conker
Not on the Geno thread I saw a lot more on tumblr and YouTube and Twitter and deivenart
That's just your opinion if your telling me if he is happening or not
SE are not "always" like this
Square Enix might have black Mage and other stuff but a character who's a part of Nintendo is better if it's about smash also getting the right to geno would be easier than any other SE characters because he is a Mario character
Nobody said geno is likley because nobody knows his real chances but he is possible
This wasn't the official ballout poll it's just shows what most japaness has voted so you know that he is still requested a lot
Also why you did bring the word "Grow up" here it has nothing to in smashboards because it's just about a video game

None other square Enix got history ONLY with Nintendo other than Geno also most people I have seen doesn't really care about requesting for a final fantasy character and dragon quest character, geno is the most requested square Enix character since brawl because he is a part of Nintendo and he can represent the relationship between Nintendo and square Enix when they teamed up for the first time in SMRPG and was the beginning before Mario sport mix and fortune street
people think first cloud not black Mage because he is The most popular one

Lucas' game was released shortly before Brawl, had Awakening flopped, it'd be the same
Mario isn't a serious franchise by nature, so we don't need a serious character
Toon Link stabbed a human in the head, Link stabbed a piggy in the head
Majority disagrees
Why would a third party own a Mario character? SE had to approve the game being on VC, and I'm sure as hell it's not just Culex that they needed to ask for, not to mention both parties have nothing for Geno
No one considers Conker part of Nintendo and everyone would say 'microsoft character' about them
Majority of people there think Geno has no chance and would rather have other characters
I'm doing something that you are unable to. See past bias and use evidence and logic. I'd be glad to see Geno playable. Oh wait, because I think he has 0 chance, I'm just an ignorant hater and my statements are merely opinions.
IF HE WAS A MARIO CHARACTER HE WOULDN'T BE OWNED BY SE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
having a miminum chance is also possible. Thing is, why choose a significantly less popular character who is third party?
Ridley was the third most wanted newcomer for Japan in February or so

I said grow up as you clearly think nothing but GENOGENOGENOGENO
Neku was exclusive to Nintendo systems wasn't he?
You aren't looking at the right places
These characters are more related to Mario than if Geno married him in SMRPG
Black Mage is the most iconic, that's the argument, not to mention lots of people hate Cloud since he became emo

 

[StormC]

Geno will never ever ever ever get into Smash.

Sorry.

 

[TallT]

Keep geno away from them because he is a 3rd party don't mix a 3rd party character with 1st party character

Weren't you the guy earlier claiming Geno to be 2nd party, or was that somebody else? You said alphadream owned him or something. Now he is 3rd party? I'm confused.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

We're pretty optimistic huh?
A character disseapears after debut: "Nintendo Only!"

No character should ever get in to "represent" a relationship between companies.
Especially if that relationship is meh at best.

And don't say Mario Sports Mix because Geno doesn't even appear in that one.

Tl;dr
Geno wil never ever be important to Mario, Nintendo or gaming as a whole

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Keep geno away from them because he is a 3rd party don't mix a 3rd party character with 1st party character

"Don't mix my character with the most popular requests"
Mega Man and Sonic were mixed with first party choices. Therefore, it's allowed. Accept that Geno isn't that popular. Hell, I've never even seen Geno propaganda on Miiverse, even the likes of Bandana Dee have that **** covered. Now do the Wess Dance or I'm not forgiving you

 

[Wolfie557]

To @ Geno Boost and any others adamantly defending him:

1) Wolf
2) King K Rool
3) Dixie Kong
4) Krystal
5) Bandana Dee
6) Isaac
7) Paper Mario
8) Inkling

Here's a list of 8 characters who are of noticeable popularity in the ballot (and in many cases, significantly more so than Geno by any indication we have) who are definitively owned by Nintendo and who have all appeared more recently than Geno (and that's including his SSS cameo). Why would Nintendo jump through the hoops and costs of licensing him for this game over these equally requested characters, who would be easier to implement?

This basically approves the list if you take out the 3rd parties/ indies.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Goddamn. I just heard the Wess Dance music

Can we get a Mother 3 remake instead of a VC version? And if so, Kumatora with the dance as het taunts?

 

[Geno Boost]

Weren't you the guy earlier claiming Geno to be 2nd party, or was that somebody else? You said alphdream owned him or something. Now he is 3rd party.

Yeah but I people told me later that he is still square Enix so I agreed after they gave me a clear answer

Lucas' game was released shortly before Brawl, had Awakening flopped, it'd be the same
Mario isn't a serious franchise by nature, so we don't need a serious character
Toon Link stabbed a human in the head, Link stabbed a piggy in the head
Majority disagrees
Why would a third party own a Mario character? SE had to approve the game being on VC, and I'm sure as hell it's not just Culex that they needed to ask for, not to mention both parties have nothing for Geno
No one considers Conker part of Nintendo and everyone would say 'microsoft character' about them
Majority of people there think Geno has no chance and would rather have other characters
I'm doing something that you are unable to. See past bias and use evidence and logic. I'd be glad to see Geno playable. Oh wait, because I think he has 0 chance, I'm just an ignorant hater and my statements are merely opinions.
IF HE WAS A MARIO CHARACTER HE WOULDN'T BE OWNED BY SE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
having a miminum chance is also possible. Thing is, why choose a significantly less popular character who is third party?
Ridley was the third most wanted newcomer for Japan in February or so

I said grow up as you clearly think nothing but GENOGENOGENOGENO
Neku was exclusive to Nintendo systems wasn't he?
You aren't looking at the right places
These characters are more related to Mario than if Geno married him in SMRPG
Black Mage is the most iconic, that's the argument, not to mention lots of people hate Cloud since he became emo

Alphadream are interested on doing something for geno in the future
Banjo and conker were a part of Nintendo before Microsoft
Nope I didn't see a lot of people there who says something like no chance you are just talking about a few people
Becuause they created him so they own him just like when rare created banjo and conker in diddy kong racing
No they aren't because geno is originally Mario character black Mage and others aren't
Cloud is the most popular because most people played ff7

"Don't mix my character with the most popular requests"
Mega Man and Sonic were mixed with first party choices. Therefore, it's allowed. Accept that Geno isn't that popular. Hell, I've never even seen Geno propaganda on Miiverse, even the likes of Bandana Dee have that **** covered. Now do the Wess Dance or I'm not forgiving you

i said don't mix 3rd party with 1st party because they are not the same
I know geno is not "very very" popular but he has a popularity he is not like king k. Rool level he is like ray MK level of popularity

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Geno's time was Brawl, evident by the use of the argument that Geno was popular with Brawl.
Even this many years later.

"What's the matter, scared?"

Geno's popularity has declined a lot but Geno fans still make their propaganda as if it is 2008.
Worst part of that is that the propaganda includes some supporters thinking he's likely (and I don't mean this as "having a chance" likely, I think Geno isn't outright impossible, but I mean direct competition to Paper Mario likely)

Also, acting like SMRPG is the most important Mario game ever doesn't make the fanbase any jollier.

But okay, I'm done with potentially offending entire fanbases and not making sense, all peace and that stuff.

EDIT: I do think Geno has a fair shot at appearing in the Paper Jam, if people campaign hard.
Geno fans are shown to have the people to push something so they might push their way back in the Mario RPGs.
I've seen a campaign for him to appear in Paper Ham and while I'm not supportive of every boon Geno might have, it would be a perfect chance for Geno to get back on track while making the game a solid cross-over of everything Mario RPG.

Goddamn. I just heard the Wess Dance music

Can we get a Mother 3 remake instead of a VC version? And if so, Kumatora with the dance as het taunts?

Sounds like a theme for a Mario minigame, like the Purple Coin rooms in SMG.