Character Discussion Thread

[Burruni]

Maybe there should be a second Pikmin character...

Or at the very least, add the rest of the captains as costumes for olimar!

There's an issue with that.

and basically share this condition that they're characters for series where they encompass all function the player has with them. Especially since Pikmin ACTUALLY CARRY ITEMS BACK TO YOU NOW, UNLIKE BRAWL.

There /could/ be something done, but other than "We need a second Pikmin character" there's little reason to do it.

 

[Wolfie557]

Maybe I'm just still annoyed they did not include the Rock Pikmin type in his moveset.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Guys, here's the REAL DLC Shoo-in

FOR ****'S SAKE LET ME HAVE 1 LIKEABLE METROID CHARACTER! Q.Q

 

[Wolfie557]

Rundas > Sylux > Dark Samus > Adam Malkovich

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Rundas > Sylux > Dark Samus > Adam Malkovich

I'd rather have that flying bug that looks like a Crossaint than ****ing Adam. "You aren't authorized to do that" "YOU AREN'T AUTHORIZED FOR SUDDENLY CHANGING FROM DECENT CHARACTER TO ABSOLUTE SCUM!"

 

[Burruni]

Maybe I'm just still annoyed they did not include the Rock Pikmin type in his moveset.

Oh.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm upset about it too.
But not enough to say we should get Alph as a clone BUT WITH ROCK PIKMIN INSTEAD OF PURPLES or something like that.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm upset about it too.
But not enough to say we should get Alph as a clone BUT WITH ROCK PIKMIN INSTEAD OF PURPLES or something like that.

No. Even better
Rock Pikmin as playable characters. Could they work I'm too tired to give a damn. It's an idea. I'm off to bed, I need to regain sanity

 

[Burruni]

No. Even better
Rock Pikmin as playable characters. Could they work I'm too tired to give a damn. It's an idea. I'm off to bed, I need to regain sanity

Ryugie, no.
Also it's like 2am for you.
Go to sleep.

 

[Chandeelure]

So you're saying that the entire Smash community's thoughts are summed up in a few posts? I notice you didn't bring up the 3400 page Geno support thread, which, I believe, is one of the largest ones on this site.

Yeah, a "few" posts.
You can go to all the big threads and ask for Geno, you will have the same reactions.
And about the Geno thread a.k.a. Double and Triple Posts: The Thread.
First, the amount of posts means nothing, and second it's not that big (I mean, you think Geno is super likely thanks to his "extreme" popularity... but he doesn't even have a big thread in the most popular Smash website), like 90% of the posts it has are thanks to 3 or 4 guys like Raheem the Dream and Geno Boost who post over and over again.

Geno is only popular in the same sites where people think characters like Shovel Knight are a shoo-in.

And before you say something like "blah blah, you are biased", I'm a huge Mario fan, I like Geno and I know about his situation and it's not good. But yeah, whatever, don't lose hope, lol.

I'd rather have that flying bug that looks like a Crossaint than ****ing Adam. "You aren't authorized to do that" "YOU AREN'T AUTHORIZED FOR SUDDENLY CHANGING FROM DECENT CHARACTER TO ABSOLUTE SCUM!"

The flying bug that looks like a crossaint XDD

 

[RayStrYke]

Yeah, a "few" posts.
You can go to all the big threads and ask for Geno, you will have the same reactions.
And about the Geno thread a.k.a. Double and Triple Posts: The Thread.
First, the amount of posts means nothing, and second it's not that big (I mean, you think Geno is super likely thanks to his "extreme" popularity... but he doesn't even have a big thread in the most popular Smash website), like 90% of the posts it has are thanks to 3 or 4 guys like Raheem the Dream and Geno Boost who post over and over again.

Geno is only popular in the same sites where people think characters like Shovel Knight are a shoo-in.

And before you say something like "blah blah, you are biased", I'm a huge Mario fan, I like Geno and I know about his situation and it's not good. But yeah, whatever, don't lose hope, lol.

The flying bug that looks like a crossaint XDD

The whole we know it isn't going to happen thing

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Well sylux is almost very likely for smash 5 in his defense

I mean metroid prime 4 is a story of sylux and samus

And plus the director of metroid prime came clean on the prime 3 secret ending.

Spoiler

It was sylux's ship on that ending.

 

[MarioMeteor]

Yeah, a "few" posts.
You can go to all the big threads and ask for Geno, you will have the same reactions.
And about the Geno thread a.k.a. Double and Triple Posts: The Thread.
First, the amount of posts means nothing, and second it's not that big (I mean, you think Geno is super likely thanks to his "extreme" popularity... but he doesn't even have a big thread in the most popular Smash website), like 90% of the posts it has are thanks to 3 or 4 guys like Raheem the Dream and Geno Boost who post over and over again.

Geno is only popular in the same sites where people think characters like Shovel Knight are a shoo-in.

"Geno is only popular in the same sites..." That sentence sounds pretty damn biased to me. Either that or plain old ignorance. I'm leaning towards the latter. People have been asking for Geno since Brawl, and Sakurai even acknowledged it with somewhat of an answer. The fact that Geno's popularity reached Sakurai's ears definitely says something, it's only you who swears up and down that Geno isn't popular for no other reason than because you think so.

 

[aldelaro5]

Your just looking at smashboards but your not looking at the people who are outside of this site like tumblr and twitter and YouTube you will find a huge amount of Geno supporters plus there was a poll In japan shows what's the most people have for and Geno was in the top 15 wich means he is still strong

Ok, i will be very disappointed if I do this, but I think you ought to explain me one thing.

If i summarize the whole discussion, I can logically say that you claim geno is more important than paper mario, diasy and waluigi. i can also say that you claim he;s far more important due to stuff like backstory and you also claim he is unique unlike other mario character. You also claim he's very popular.

I have been checking a lot of polls and one thing I can assure you is that almost none of them put Paper Mario under Geno.

Ok, now, let me talk about importance then. Nothing actually tells that nintendo cares about bringing back geno....currently. They didn't do so for years which means he's mostly absent now.....currently. There was no reference told what so ever in games since superstar saga was released so, still absent.....currently.

....There;s an awful lot of currently in this paragraph because one thing you just seem to not get is that no matter how you scale his fanbase, these are FACTS. i don;t know why they would do it so suddenly after around 2 decades, but one thing that is quite obvious is if they really wanted that in the first place, we wouldn;t be having this discussion now. And no, superstar saga is not doing it.....we are still talking about a cameo for a minigame (and I know that minigame is actually mandatory, but if you claim that this improves his importance by that much, I doubt it).

Which also apply to himself, no matter how you scale his backstory and anything related to his subset, it doesn't change how nothing was done and nothign even indicate it would be done. if you think he is more important as a character in mario franchise history, that's your opinion, but you cannot tell me that nintendo currently even care for him. Remember, I said CURRENTLY, but I also say it because nothing looks forward to change.

IF it changes, then it changes everything but again, it would be pointless to do this post if it did happened so for now, it;s not something that is provable and tbh, not much something hat can be deduced.

As for uniqueness.....your opinion, but doesn't change what i said about importance.

If you go back to the beginning of this post, I said it was typical for paper Mario to happen above geno.

Now, let me make this clear: this shows that at least on the people that was polled (you could include the reddit poll, the mega poll and even the JP poll made by push on source gaming), paper mario is more wanted than geno. In fact, i usually see him in top 10 raw so if geno is usually in top 15 raw, that still means the same conclusion.

Why?

Considering how you explained its importance, it is not believable. You told on another thread that Geno would actually sell more than paper mario, me and you probably saw the same poll, conclusion: there;s a flaw in this logic.

Actually, let me tell you a realistic theory: geno lacks more recognition than you think. Sure, fans may know him, but what I see on these polls is that if you take relative comparison, Geno is less wanted and the real expalnation is that he is simply not that much known. However, you still claim he is important to nintendo to revive him, but they never gave any sign and it is still the case currently which makes you go back to my previous point: he lacks recognition.

Do you see how weird this circle is? No matter where I start, I cannot complete the logic without looping back to where I was before therefore it is a dead end.

He isn't as much popular because he lacks recognition which means he isn;t as much important which means that his chances are way lower than what you pretended them to be.

That literally solves everything. I really see no way of explaining it.

As a last reminder, the ONLY thing I told on this huge post is that geno chances are probably way lower than what you might think. Are they impossible? no. Are they very low? yes. Is it comparable to the other mario character you named? mostly, no and it doesn't help to be third party.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Geno isnt popular anymore. WAS popular but after brawl most people jumped ship. Hence why in pretty much all sites he is very quiet.

Ridley>>DarkSamus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rundas>>> Sylux who for the most part is being bandwagoned on :/ >times infinity Anthony=Adam malkovich

 

[BluePikmin11]

There's still activity in his support thread though. I still see him pretty high up there, noticeably with TerminalMontage's Geno vote video.

 

[Chandeelure]

"Geno is only popular in the same sites..." That sentence sounds pretty damn biased to me. Either that or plain old ignorance. I'm leaning towards the latter. People have been asking for Geno since Brawl, and Sakurai even acknowledged it with somewhat of an answer. The fact that Geno's popularity reached Sakurai's ears definitely says something, it's only you who swears up and down that Geno isn't popular for no other reason than because you think so.

And why are you talking about the past?
We are in the Smash 4 forums, not the Brawl ones.

 

[MarioMeteor]

And why are you talking about the past?
We are in the Smash 4 forums, not the Brawl ones.

Your point is? Support is support, fans are fans. Your precious Bandanna Dee's origin game was Super Star Ultra, which came out several years ago. I guess we should stop talking about that, too, huh?

 

[aldelaro5]

There's still activity in his support thread though. I still see him pretty high up there, noticeably with TerminalMontage's Geno vote video.

one thing I will never understand is there;s no corelation between view and replies and idk why.

Like, the paper mario thread has 94k views, but a bit more than 2k replioes while the geno one has 90k views and a bit more than 3k replies.

i do refresh the thread, but I don't think I ever did it 5k times.....

Also, I'm weird, because I freak out when I receive OP likes

 

[Burruni]

Your point is? Support is support, fans are fans. Your precious Bandanna Dee's origin game was Super Star Ultra, which came out several years ago. I guess we should stop talking about that, too, huh?

Bandana Dee's origin game was Super Star, back on the SNES and I think around the same year as SMRPG.
The thing is, that's one minor part that we discuss for him, most of it is in actual spear usage based on RtD on the Wii.
The only real "SNES character" that keeps being brought up is K. Rool because of his boss fights being most iconic from that era in the original DKC trilogy.

Edit: And even then, K. Rool had a MAJOR role on the N64, and the same main villain role in lesser impressive titles from GBC through DS for handhelds and his role on the Wii in Super Sluggers.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

"Geno is only popular in the same sites..." That sentence sounds pretty damn biased to me. Either that or plain old ignorance. I'm leaning towards the latter. People have been asking for Geno since Brawl, and Sakurai even acknowledged it with somewhat of an answer. The fact that Geno's popularity reached Sakurai's ears definitely says something, it's only you who swears up and down that Geno isn't popular for no other reason than because you think so.

Man sakurai has never talked about geno.The only characters i know he talked about where villager,ridley,and takamaru.If he talked about geno post a link to this

 

[Chandeelure]

Your point is? Support is support, fans are fans. Your precious Bandanna Dee's origin game was Super Star Ultra, which came out several years ago. I guess we should stop talking about that, too, huh?

Did you read oni's post?
Geno lost A LOT of his popularity.
He was like the Ridley of Brawl, now he is just... there.
And stop acting like popularity is everything, Geno has more problems than just lack of popularity, a lot of problems.

 

[Burruni]

Man sakurai has never talked about geno.The only characters i know he talked about where villager,ridley,and takamaru.If he talked about geno post a link to this

https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/the-definitive-unused-fighters-list-in-smash/
Ha HA, look!
No citation of Geno on this, even on the "considered" list. Even James Bond found a place there for Melee.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Your point is? Support is support, fans are fans. Your precious Bandanna Dee's origin game was Super Star Ultra, which came out several years ago. I guess we should stop talking about that, too, huh?

because a game origin is totally comparable to the history of a fanbase

unlike geno. bandana dee has appeared in games past his first

Man sakurai has never talked about geno.The only characters i know he talked about where villager,ridley,and takamaru.If he talked about geno post a link to this

pretty sure it was a while ago. Sakuri said something about the Geno requests were strange to him [citation needed]

I want to say it was from the Smsah 2 poll but again. [citation needed]

 

[IceBreakerXY]

https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/the-definitive-unused-fighters-list-in-smash/
Ha HA, look!
No citation of Geno on this, even on the "considered" list. Even James Bond found a place there for Melee.

because a game origin is totally comparable to the history of a fanbase

unlike geno. bandana dee has appeared in games past his first



pretty sure it was a while ago. Sakuri said something about the Geno requests were strange to him [citation needed]

I want to say it was from the Smsah 2 poll but again. [citation needed]

gonna do a little research.Not really a geno hater just hate when people get there facts wrong

 

[Wintropy]

WITH ALL THIS POPULARITY ANNA'S GETTING

SHE'S A SHOO-IN FOR THE NEXT SMASH

Ha.

I wish.

Tell you what, though, her chances are looking better every day.

She's gone from "almost nil" to "not quite impossible" - AMAZING RESULT~

 

[Burruni]

WITH ALL THIS POPULARITY ANNA'S GETTING

SHE'S A SHOO-IN FOR THE NEXT SMASH

Ha.

I wish.

Tell you what, though, her chances are looking better every day.

She's gone from "almost nil" to "not quite impossible" - AMAZING RESULT~

I mean...
She's the single most likely Non-Protagonist character.
And since IS goes to Sakurai when it comes to characters more than the other way around (if the story around Marth & Roy is anything to go by) she may be able to pushed by them.... since she is a developer favorite.

 

[Wintropy]

I mean...
She's the single most likely Non-Protagonist character.
And since IS goes to Sakurai when it comes to characters more than the other way around (if the story around Marth & Roy is anything to go by) she may be able to pushed by them.... since she is a developer favorite.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, Bu.

REPS ARE A THING RIGHT?!

 

[Burruni]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, Bu.

REPS ARE A THING RIGHT?!

We're talking Smash 5.
In which we get no new games yet again.
Because Miyamoto drinks on our tears.
She's certainly on the table.
But then again I'm biased.

 

[A Distant Demon]

gonna do a little research.Not really a geno hater just hate when people get there facts wrong

Based on the fact the person who i thought made that post (PushDustin) appears to not have said what I thought he did there is a decent chance it isnt true.


RIP DK thread. I will miss being able to link use that "modest proposal" as a joke about why I despise repping . . .

 

[Wintropy]

We're talking Smash 5.
In which we get no new games yet again.
Because Miyamoto drinks on our tears.
She's certainly on the table.
But then again I'm biased.

I was being sarcastic.

I'm okay now~ ;3

 

[False Sense]

Your point is? Support is support, fans are fans. Your precious Bandanna Dee's origin game was Super Star Ultra, which came out several years ago. I guess we should stop talking about that, too, huh?

There are some major flaws with this argument.

1.) Support is support, yes, but not if it doesn't exist anymore. Geno reached the peak of his popularity during Brawl, and has since declined significantly. He still has a fanbase, but it's nowhere near the size it once was. Referring to old support doesn't help in the present day.

2.) Bandana Dee debuted in Kirby Super Star, not Ultra.

3.) Unlike Geno, Bandana Dee has become a recurring character within the Kirby series since his original appearance, having prominent roles in games like Return to Dream Land and Rainbow Curse. He's easily the most important Kirby character after Kirby, Meta Knight, and Dedede. There is virtually no comparison between Bandana Dee and Geno.

 

[MarioMeteor]

There are some major flaws with this argument.

1.) Support is support, yes, but not if it doesn't exist anymore. Geno reached the peak of his popularity during Brawl, and has since declined significantly. He still has a fanbase, but it's nowhere near the size it once was. Referring to old support doesn't help in the present day.

2.) Bandana Dee debuted in Kirby Super Star, not Ultra.

3.) Unlike Geno, Bandana Dee has become a recurring character within the Kirby series since his original appearance, having prominent roles in games like Return to Dream Land and Rainbow Curse. He's easily the most important Kirby character after Kirby, Meta Knight, and Dedede. There is virtually no comparison between Bandana Dee and Geno.

1.) His popularity most certainly does exist. The fact that this conversation is happening proves that it does. Hell, Artsy Omni said that he considered doing a Geno leak but decided against it due to the uproar it'd cause. And like I asked Chandy, who are you to gauge Geno's popularity?
2.) That only proves my point further, because Super Star is several times older than Ultra, although that was a dumb mistake on my part.
3.) I wasn't comparing Geno and Bandanna Dee, I was using the latter as an example of how messed up Chandy's logic was.

 

[False Sense]

1.) His popularity most certainly does exist. The fact that this conversation is happening proves that it does. Hell, Artsy Omni said that he considered doing a Geno leak but decided against it due to the uproar it'd cause. And like I asked Chandy, who are you to gauge Geno's popularity?
2.) That only proves my point further, because Super Star is several times older than Ultra, although that was a dumb mistake on my part.
3.) I wasn't comparing Geno and Bandanna Dee, I was using the latter as an example of how messed up Chandy's logic was.

Chandelure was making the argument that you can't just substitute Geno's Brawl popularity in for his current popularity.

You (for some reason) took that and brought up the release date of individual games.

There's no correlation. His logic appears messed up because you misconstrued what he was saying.

 

[MarioMeteor]

Chandelure was making the argument that you can't just substitute Geno's Brawl popularity in for his current popularity.

You (for some reason) took that and brought up the release date of individual games.

There's no correlation. His logic appears messed up because you misconstrued what he was saying.

He said, and I quote, "Why are you talking about the past?" He wasn't specific, there was no hidden message in the words, no reading between the lines, that's what he said. You're giving him too much credit. What I was saying is that saying because something is old, it should be ignored is bull****. I didn't misconstrue anything.

 

[A Distant Demon]

He said, and I quote, "Why are you talking about the past?" He wasn't specific, there was no hidden message in the words, no reading between the lines, that's what he said. You're giving him too much credit. What I was saying is that saying because something is old, it should be ignored is bull****. I didn't misconstrue anything.

His post was obviously in the context of past support. He was even quoting a post ABOUT popularity. To not see that is intentionally avoiding the point (Geno's support has fallen since what it was in brawl in Smash 4) to find fallacies in arguments that dont exist

 

[False Sense]

He said, and I quote, "Why are you talking about the past?" He wasn't specific, there was no hidden message in the words, no reading between the lines, that's what he said. You're giving him too much credit.

This isn't "reading between lines," this is understanding basic context.

 

[Burruni]

Conversations....

 

[MarioMeteor]

His post was obviously in the context of past support. He was even quoting a post ABOUT popularity. To not see that is intentionally avoiding the point (Geno's support has fallen since what it was in brawl in Smash 4) to find fallacies in arguments that dont exist

So you're saying that Chandy didn't have an argument? I was taking what he said at face value, whether you think that's "avoiding the point" or not doesn't matter to me.

 

[A Distant Demon]

So you're saying that Chandy didn't have an argument? I was taking what he said at face value, whether you think that's "avoiding the point" or not doesn't matter to me.

it isnt worth arguing with someone who will purposely misconstrue a statement for their own benefit.

 

[MarioMeteor]

it isnt worth arguing with someone who will purposely misconstrue a statement for their own benefit.

That's what they all say.