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Animal crossing(and by extension Wii Fit too i assume was said to be too peaceful to be represented in Smash to the degree that is now. That being said the whole point is that Sakurai's word is flimsy at best, what is a no today may be a yes tomorrow.
Oh well then in that case I think you're the one who isn't following...

It's not a case of today and tomorrow. It's a case of years. Sakurai didn't come around to the idea of Villager overnight, he came back to it literally years later. In most cases, like Balloon Fighter, like Excitebiker, like Sukapon, like Nintendogs, like pretty much every character dismissed by Sakurai that isn't Villager, he hasn't come around on. Even in some cases when it's been like fifteen years. Ridley, on the other hand, was rejected by Sakurai for this roster, with an opinion he still clearly held after the game released, only mere months ago. Will he come around on Ridley years in the future? Perhaps, but I think given precedent it's unlikely. However what's even more unlikely is him coming around on the idea now due to popularity (which isn't the factor keeping him out), only a short while after defending his omission.

When Sakurai rejects a character it's not his word which is flimsy at best, it's the idea he'll come around on that character, because such a thing happens very rarely. And in the case of only a few months after making public how and why the character isn't playable, never.

EDIT: I suppose he came around on Pac-Man too, didn't he? Well, the point still stands, it happens very rarely, and hardly happens overnight. Plus I doubt he would've if Namco weren't involved.
 
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It's always cool to hate on what's popular. But it being popular in the first place means a large contingent stands behind it despite the hate.

Plus tbh more people tend to bandwagon on characters they expect than the other way around, the detractors just seem to be more vocal about it.


If you think characters likes Isaac and Inkling don't lend themselves towards innovation and/or gimmicks you must not know them very well..
Inkling was not an option pre-Smash 4. In fact, many characters that were not widely asked for were picked. Rosalina, Duck Hunt, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Bowser's clown vehicle ect.
 

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No.
Animal Crossing and NINTENDOGS were cited, at the time of Brawl, as not being good choices for fighters because of how little they fit for combat and the feel of the game.
Brawl was also a more "realistic" and "adult" title given a T rating and had a far different art style.
Kirby, Dedede, TOON LINK, and Sonic were in that game, I stopped reading after that.
 
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Inkling was not an option pre-Smash 4. In fact, many characters that were not widely asked for were picked. Rosalina, Duck Hunt, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Bowser's clown vehicle ect.
If you don't think :rosalina: was asked for plenty, I don't know what to say. It was Her & Toad as the big 2 for Mario, with Paper Mario, (Waluigi) & Junior in their shadow.... Mario.

Haha I made a joke.
 
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Inkling was not an option pre-Smash 4. In fact, many characters that were not widely asked for were picked. Rosalina, Duck Hunt, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Bowser's clown vehicle ect.
I'm just disagreeing with the point that remaining popular characters are devoid of potential for innovation or gimmicks.

In fact it was many of the more expected fighters this time around that wound up with the gimmicks... Mac, Palutena, Shulk, Miis, Bowser Jr (he was widely asked for, just not as much after Rosalina - who also, by virtue of being a notable Mario character, was not unpopular).
 
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I'm just disagreeing with the point that remaining popular characters are devoid of potential for innovation or gimmicks.

In fact it was many of the more expected fighters this time around that wound up with the gimmicks... Mac, Palutena, Shulk, Miis, Bowser Jr (he was widely asked for, just not as much after Rosalina - who also, by virtue of being a notable Mario character, was not unpopular).
Palutena did not really have a gimmick that Mii's already had. She seemed like a popular bland one to me. Bowser Jr was asked for, but not for the clown vehicle character that included the Kooplings. Mii's were not popular on the boards.

But you are right that there are exceptions.
 

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If you don't think :rosalina: was asked for plenty, I don't know what to say. It was Her & Toad as the big 2 for Mario, with Paper Mario, (Waluigi) & Junior in their shadow.... Mario.

Haha I made a joke.
The forum thread had maybe 6 pages on her before she was announced. Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario were much more popular than she was.
 
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It was, COMPARATIVELY, more maturely taken in art direction than any other title in Smash.
THAT is what I meant.
There's a character called Toon Link in that game that replaced a far more realistic Young Link. Melee looks no different than Brawl, Mario wears realistic overalls in both...
 

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The forum thread had maybe 6 pages on her before she was announced. Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario were much more popular than she was.
That's... my memory not being well, I suppose.
But then again one could argue that's pure Smash audience and she had a much larger "casual popularity" out of 3D world.
Regardless
 

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The forum thread had maybe 6 pages on her before she was announced. Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario were much more popular than she was.
And this is actually something because it was like 4 months before I became OP of the Paper Mario thread and there was 9 pages......the thread kept dying like it died 7 times before.

feels weird to now be at 55 pages :)
 

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The Isaac thread died for a solid two months in 2012. Though that's mostly because there weren't as many active people back then and there was only so much you could say about one character in a game that hadn't even been revealed yet...

Palutena did not really have a gimmick that Mii's already had. She seemed like a popular bland one to me. Bowser Jr was asked for, but not for the clown vehicle character that included the Kooplings. Mii's were not popular on the boards.

But you are right that there are exceptions.
That's like saying PKMN Trainer didn't have a gimmick because Zelda also did transformations. They both have gimmicks. I'm also not here to defend Palutena's gimmick, I think it's dumb and I hate default Palutena, but it definitely exists. Plus it's not like we know which one was added first.

And yeah, Bowser Jr being asked for then being implemented in a highly unexpected and creative way just proves my point... it's hardly a matter of popular characters being devoid of innovation...

Lastly, I agree the Miis weren't popular. But they were expected. Usually those two go hand in hand. The point is it's not like we can say we didn't see them coming.

The forum thread had maybe 6 pages on her before she was announced. Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario were much more popular than she was.
Yes they were, but outside Smash-dedicated areas most notable Mario, Zelda and Pokemon characters had a fair bit of popularity simply by being from massive, highly prominent series.
 

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If Sakurai is going for fan service then I think a DK newcomer is bound to happen.
 

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DK rep is cool...but y'know a metroid rep would be nice as well...
 

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Before the topic becomes too long gone, I figure I'd touch on the whole "popular vs. unexpected" dichotomy. I think people do a disservice to some really interesting characters when they turn 'popular' into a buzzword for "lame, boring, conventional," often just because those characters are perceived as obstacles to their own. In fact, the two big 'popular' culprits for DLC, K. Rool and Isaac, have the same sort of appeal of an unexpected character.

Their Smash portrayals will come as a pleasant surprise to the many who expected them to stay 'dead,' which sets them apart from some modern character with their model for all intents and purposes copypasted into Smash. That twosome's lack of modern appearances means that both will get an entirely fresh coat of paint in a game unlike anything they've ever been in before (not to hit on their great moveset options, which speak for themselves).

What's more, popular characters tend to be popular for actual reasons, many of which entail how interesting they could be in-game. Not to say we haven't gotten some great surprises over the years (Jr. and Duck Hunt key among them), but when you approach a character from no angle other than "LOL NO ONE WILL SEE THEM COMING, ISN'T THAT HILARIOUS," their appeal is kneecapped from the getgo.
 
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Before the topic becomes too long gone, I figure I'd touch on the whole "popular vs. unexpected" dichotomy. I think people do a disservice to some really interesting characters when they turn 'popular' into a buzzword for "lame, boring, conventional," often just because those characters are perceived as obstacles to their own. In fact, the two big 'popular' culprits for DLC, K. Rool and Isaac, have the same sort of appeal of an unexpected character.

Their Smash portrayals will come as a pleasant surprise to the many who expected them to stay 'dead,' which sets them apart from some modern character with their model for all intents and purposes copypasted into Smash. That twosome's lack of modern appearances means that both will get an entirely fresh coat of paint in a game unlike anything they've ever been in before (not to hit on their great moveset options, which speak for themselves).

What's more, popular characters tend to be popular for actual reasons, many of which entail how interesting they could be in-game. Not to say we haven't gotten some great surprises over the years (Jr. and Duck Hunt key among them), but when you approach a character from no angle other than "LOL NO ONE WILL SEE THEM COMING, ISN'T THAT HILARIOUS," their appeal is kneecapped from the getgo.
And this is why I hate gimmick characters we need less :4gaw:&:4villager: and more :4bowser:,:4sheik:,:4samus:&:4diddy:
 

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He didn't even say why there was no stage hazard switch.
All he did was state that such feature wouldn't be in Smash and ****ing joked about how the game would become PSABR if Smash had that feature.
I like hazards.

But a switch to turn of Ridley, Yellow Devil, Nabbit , Streetpass Demon thing, Magic Man and anything I missed would be welcome.

Turning off other hazards..no thanks.
Inkling was not an option pre-Smash 4. In fact, many characters that were not widely asked for were picked. Rosalina, Duck Hunt, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Bowser's clown vehicle ect.
I'm glad I was one of the few asking for Rosalina. :p
 

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You can easily turn them off. Just play the Omega version of the level. Or go 8 Player Smash, because I think 8 Player Smash removes stage hazards to.
 

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You can easily turn them off. Just play the Omega version of the level. Or go 8 Player Smash, because I think 8 Player Smash removes stage hazards to.
It does.

But only if there are 5+ players.
 

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Eh it really isn't. Having 5+ players is a hazard in and of itself.
It's not worth it to set up a five player battle, then have three players SD just so the two remaining can fight on a slightly different stage layout. Especially in a tourney.
Alpha stages should become a thing. Same stage, but damaging and buffing hazards are removed. For example: Golden Plains still scrolls, but there are no coins.

You guys want a DK rep? Tiki Buzz for smash! :awesome:
 
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