Character Discussion Thread

[N3ON]

He once said animal crossing and things that were peaceful weren't "fit" for smash but over the years it made a boatload of money and he magically found a way to put villager on the roster.

Villager was likely chosen before New Leaf even released... City Folk was no more successful than the previous games. Actually it was much less successful than Wild World.

And demand for Villager had pretty much all but vanished due to Sakurai's comments.

Sakurai changing his mind isn't inherently due to business reasons. Especially since AC got less successful between Brawl and 4's initial roster selection...

Also,

There's a huge difference between a few years and a few months.
And Sakurai still hasn't really changed his stance on Ridley since Brawl.

 

[Pakky]

There's a huge difference between a few years and a few months.
And Sakurai still hasn't really changed his stance on Ridley since Brawl.

The animal crossing statement happened during Brawl's time.

 

[N3ON]

The animal crossing statement happened during Brawl's time.

But Sakurai just reinforced his opinion of Ridley a few months ago~

 

[BaganSmashBros]

But Sakurai just reinforced his opinion of Ridley a few months ago~

Or just got it. Its hard to tell when he says he is impossible, then that he would be possible.

 

[Burruni]

But Sakurai just reinforced his opinion of Ridley a few months ago~

Also, another matter.

Villager was passed off because he was too light hearted and cartoony to seem like a possible fighter along the likes of in the, comparatively, mature and almost gritty designed art style for Brawl.

We got far more "Cartoony" for Smash 4. He also said no to , and we see how that went.

Or just got it. Its hard to tell when he says he is impossible, then that he would be possible.

"Probably" impossible. THAT is the phrasing he used in Brawl. This could easily mean that he didn't see a way of him working but that didn't mean one wasn't an option.

Smash 4, however, he was far more firm on him saying no.

 

[Pakky]

But Sakurai just reinforced his opinion of Ridley a few months ago~

Sigh, you're not following...

 

[Wolfie557]

I hope there will be another 3rd party character newcomer. and one more veteran. then 2 first party newcomers

That would be perfect for me.But what are the chances of another 3rd part after Ryu?

 

[Deleted member]

SHANTAE HAS EVERYTHING SHOVEL KNIGHT DOES AND FAR MORE, INCLUDING A JAPANESE FANBASE AND RELEASES TO THE EAST.

Release.
One.

Through Steam. Which Shovel Knight is also present on.

A console release for Japan is also currently in the works. Something that can't be said for Shantae.


I don't see either choice being all that likely, but literally the only advantage Shantae has is that she's existed since 2002 and is on her fourth game while Shovel Knight hasn't had a sequel yet (though is getting expansions).

 

[N3ON]

Or just got it. Its hard to tell when he says he is impossible, then that he would be possible.

I don't think Sakurai would acknowledge Ridley being a popular fan character (or implemented him with the ability to team plus having a stock) without having previously given him some thought one way or another.

For Brawl's statement it seems entirely possible that it was the first time he had actually considered Ridley given how he answered. By the time of Smash 4's statement... I think it was pretty clear he had already mused over the idea and come to a conclusion on it prior to when he spoke on it.

 

[Wolfie557]

might take longer for Ridley.

but oh wells. there's plenty of characters to look forward to anyway.

 

[PushDustIn]

So...

More than two characters?

Awesome.

At least.

I hope more than two.

@ PushDustIn

What do people usually mean when they say the Japanese equivalent of "several."

数 was what Sakurai wrote. It's pretty ambigious. Literally, a number . Most translations examples in my dictionary said "several" so Soma and I went with that.

 

[Kenith]

Release.
One.
Through Steam. Which Shovel Knight is also present on.
A console release for Japan is also currently in the works. Something that can't be said for Shantae.
I don't see either choice being all that likely, but literally the only advantage Shantae has is that she's existed since 2002 and is on her fourth game while Shovel Knight hasn't had a sequel yet (though is getting expansions).

Also, Shantae is not, to my knowledge, a shovelled Knight.
Shovel Knight = 1
Shantae = 0
#CanYouDigIt

 

[N3ON]

Sigh, you're not following...

Well please enlighten me then. ;P

 

[BaganSmashBros]

I don't think Sakurai would acknowledge Ridley being a popular fan character (or implemented him with the ability to team plus having a stock) without having previously given him some thought one way or another.

For Brawl's statement it seems entirely possible that it was the first time he had actually considered Ridley given how he answered. By the time of Smash 4's statement... I think it was pretty clear he had already mused over the idea and come to a conclusion on it prior to when he spoke on it.

Thats what im talking about. It sounds more like he just though of that when asked about it. But next interview was clear.
Well, yet another one of those bulls**t things from him addded to the list (that reason why he didn't added stage hazard switch comes very close).

 

[Deleted member]

He didn't even say why there was no stage hazard switch.
All he did was state that such feature wouldn't be in Smash and ****ing joked about how the game would become PSABR if Smash had that feature.

 

[Burruni]

Release.
One.

Through Steam. Which Shovel Knight is also present on.

A console release for Japan is also currently in the works. Something that can't be said for Shantae.


I don't see either choice being all that likely, but literally the only advantage Shantae has is that she's existed since 2002 and is on her fourth game while Shovel Knight hasn't had a sequel yet (though is getting expansions).

I'll admit.
I didn't know that the E-Shop versions of her game were NA+Pal only.
But then it's the same for Risky's Revenge and Pirate's Curse.
However, the fact that she is a character from a series with clear future in mind in the form of sequels (alongside only being on PC as an alternative, not rivaling consoles), even if that is the only advantage, still puts her in a league above Shovel Knight in how I see it. I can see where people could argue otherwise.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

He didn't even say why there was no stage hazard switch.
All he did was state that such feature wouldn't be in Smash and ****ing joked about how the game would become PSABR if Smash had that feature.

Oh. Didn't really sound like a joke then.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

He didn't even say why there was no stage hazard switch.
All he did was state that such feature wouldn't be in Smash and ****ing joked about how the game would become PSABR if Smash had that feature.

So does that mean that one Kirby game (Triple Deluxe iirc) is now PSABR?

 

[Wolfie557]

I will be done with smash if Shovel Peasant got in before Shantea for whatever reason.

 

[Deleted member]

(alongside only being on PC as an alternative, not rivaling consoles)

Uh.....

http://wayforward.com/games/shantae-half-genie-hero/

Platforms
PC, PSN, Vita, Wii U, XBLA

Genie be goin' multiplat.

 

[Burruni]

Uh.....

http://wayforward.com/games/shantae-half-genie-hero/

Platforms
PC, PSN, Vita, Wii U, XBLA

Genie be goin' multiplat.

I was meaning for the games out going up to the Ballot.
I'm well aware that HGH is going to be multi-plat.

 

[Deleted member]

I was meaning for the games out going up to the Ballot.
I'm well aware that HGH is going to be multi-plat.

So.....you mean an arbitrary qualification?

Because HGH not being out yet doesn't make a difference.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

EDIT: Also why are some of you so hung up on "surprise characters" at this stage in the game? These are pay to play. I don't want Boom Boom playable because "omg so surprising!!!" I'm sorry that your faves aren't popular, but this was the name of the game the moment DLC was announced.

Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3Ds/Wii U
More seriously though. That's not really what a surprise character is. It's not someone random like Boom Boom, It's someone who caters to the small fandoms of genres currently unrepresented in the game () and/or someone nobody expected, but everyone knows, and loves ().

 

[Burruni]

So.....you mean an arbitrary qualification?

Because HGH not being out yet doesn't make a difference.

Yes, it's pretty arbitrary (and why I kept those details in present tense). But my overall point was that Shantae's credentials outshine Shovel Knight as an indie choice. I didn't word it the best way, and there's bias present because I'd far prefer Shantae than Shovel Knight.

Moving on to something a little more open!

 

[N3ON]

A surprise character is a character whose inclusion surprised the fanbase because they were mostly unexpected.

No need to make it any more complicated than that.

 

[Deleted member]

A surprise character is a character whose inclusion surprised the fanbase because they were mostly unexpected.

No need to make it any more complicated than that.

Which Ryu and probably Roy would've been.....if they weren't leaked beforehand.

 

[Burruni]

Which Ryu and probably Roy would've been.....if they weren't leaked beforehand.

Ryu, definitely. Roy... would be a bit of a surprise, but not nearly on the same caliber, as made his chances hopeful if was any hope to go buy.

Then again that's probably confirmation bias because I never saw him friggin' happening.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So....
We have an update confirmed update in August.

Do you think....

A) We get no character.
B) We get the last/last two pre ballot character(s) ?
C) We get a ballot character





Also....

How many more DLC characters do you think we'll get.
A) 2
B) 3
C) 4
D) 5
E) 6+

 

[N3ON]

I don't know if Roy was so much out of left field like Ryu as much as he just wasn't at the top of many peoples' most anticipated.

I personally wouldn't consider him a surprise character. Perhaps my definition was a little loose.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

A surprise character is a character whose inclusion surprised the fanbase because they were mostly unexpected.

No need to make it any more complicated than that.

~✧*:･ﾟSavvy Stylist *:･ﾟ✧~​

 

[False Sense]

You know, it's rather sad to see that there's a stigma against characters that are "popular" nowadays, that there's something wrong with those kinds of characters getting in. Is that really such a bad thing? Those characters weren't always considered top contenders; characters like Isaac and Roy could have been considered underdog candidates for quite some time, and their fans have been waiting years (and putting in a respectable amount of work to make their dream real) with no results. And now that those beloved characters are presented with an opportunity to finally make it on the roster, people suddenly turn against them because they're the most popular and "predictable."

Surprises can be fun and all, but sometimes we just want what we want.

 

[Deathlightning21]

I'm going to leave this here and let you guys take it from here

 

[Burruni]

So....
We have an update confirmed update in August.

Do you think....

A) We get no character.
B) We get the last/last two pre ballot character(s) ?
C) We get a ballot character





Also....

How many more DLC characters do you think we'll get.
A) 2
B) 3
C) 4
D) 5
E) 6+

August?
I think B) We get Wolf.
Characters?
And.. legitimately, C.
+ 3 Ballot characters, 1 being K. Rool. Nobody else is as clearly leading as him. Could be Isaac, Bandana Dee, Inklings, Dixie, Paper Mario, etc.

 

[DJ3DS]

So....
We have an update confirmed update in August.

Do you think....

A) We get no character.
B) We get the last/last two pre ballot character(s) ?
C) We get a ballot character





Also....

How many more DLC characters do you think we'll get.
A) 2
B) 3
C) 4
D) 5
E) 6+

I would only commit to 2 more characters. I imagine Wolf and K Rool is the most likely combination.

Obviously, the more the merrier.

 

[JaidynReiman]

So....
We have an update confirmed update in August.

Do you think....

A) We get no character.
B) We get the last/last two pre ballot character(s) ?
C) We get a ballot character





Also....

How many more DLC characters do you think we'll get.
A) 2
B) 3
C) 4
D) 5
E) 6+

B and C. I think we'll probably get Wolf in August and 3 ballot characters later (likely all of whom are already in development at this point).

 

[IceBreakerXY]

So....
We have an update confirmed update in August.

Do you think....

A) We get no character.
B) We get the last/last two pre ballot character(s) ?
C) We get a ballot character





Also....

How many more DLC characters do you think we'll get.
A) 2
B) 3
C) 4
D) 5
E) 6+

I say A for the first were only getting stages and tournament mode.I also say B-D for the other one will C being the most likely IMO

 

[Bowserlick]

The first round of newcomers were full of surprises. Many people hated this. I personally loved Sakurai reaching for more obscure characters that had playstyle potential rather than popular cookie cutter fighters. Smash needed to be injected with another round of innovative characters.

Now the popular ones that did not lend themselves toward innovation with a gimmick or hook have a chance. And I am sure Sakurai will still make them fun.

 

[N3ON]

You know, it's rather sad to see that there's a stigma against characters that are "popular" nowadays, that there's something wrong with those kinds of characters getting in. Is that really such a bad thing? Those characters weren't always considered top contenders; characters like Isaac and Roy could have been considered underdog candidates for quite some time, and their fans have been waiting years (and putting in a respectable amount of work to make their dream real) with no results. And now that those beloved characters are presented with an opportunity to finally make it on the roster, people suddenly turn against them because they're the most popular and "predictable."

Surprises can be fun and all, but sometimes we just want what we want.

It's always cool to hate on what's popular. But it being popular in the first place means a large contingent stands behind it despite the hate.

Plus tbh more people tend to bandwagon on characters they expect than the other way around, the detractors just seem to be more vocal about it.

The first round of newcomers were full of surprises. Many people hated this. I personally loved Sakurai reaching for more obscure characters that had playstyle potential rather than popular cookie cutter fighters. Smash needed to be injected with another round of innovative characters.

Now the popular ones that did not lend themselves toward innovation with a gimmick or hook have a chance. And I am sure Sakurai will still make them fun.

If you think characters likes Isaac and Inkling don't lend themselves towards innovation and/or gimmicks you must not know them very well..

 

[Pakky]

Well please enlighten me then. ;P

Animal crossing(and by extension Wii Fit too i assume was said to be too peaceful to be represented in Smash to the degree that is now. That being said the whole point is that Sakurai's word is flimsy at best, what is a no today may be a yes tomorrow. Like having DLC in the first place...

 

[Burruni]

Animal crossing(and by extension Wii Fit too i assume was said to be too peaceful to be represented in Smash to the degree that is now. That being said the whole point is that Sakurai's word is flimsy at best, what is a no today may be a yes tomorrow. Like having DLC in the first place...

No.
Animal Crossing and NINTENDOGS were cited, at the time of Brawl, as not being good choices for fighters because of how little they fit for combat and the feel of the game.
Brawl was also a more "realistic" and "adult" title given a T rating and had a far different art style.
Over the course of 5 years, Sakurai changed his mind on TWO CHARACTERS, (and our only cases in Smash history)
, in a different art style and in a very childish moveset for the most part that isn't exactly that of a fighter.
And who is more than "Just a cut-out Pizza" like Sakurai said would be silly to try to turn into a fighter, despite Miyamoto wanting him in the game.

Sakurai has changed his mind on VERY LITTLE, when it comes to fighter choices. To call his word "flimsy at best" is an insult.