Character Discussion Thread

[FalKoopa]

Yeah seriously though if we somehow don't get Ridley, then we have to get Dark Samus. And if we don't get Dark Samus, then its all over........well I guess we got Mother Trophy at least right?......

I shouldn't say this, but there is one last option. (Remember me?)

 

[Gunla]

I shouldn't say this, but there is one last option. (Remember me?)

Anthony Higgs seems like that option? Or what, Sylux?

 

[Cpt.]

DonK. Rool?


Anyways....
After playing Four Swords Anniversary Edition, Vaati fans will be glad to know that I am now in support of him.
...However, the ***** emo mage form from Minish Cap? No.

I will only accept Vaati as the flying blowfish that he is meant to be.

But emo minish vaati is so cool...and he matches T. Link better....

 

[Kenith]

I think 3/5 of those characters could make it. 3 of them being obvious shoo-ins now due to certain events.

Who are you referring to?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Who are you referring to?

Palutena, Mac, and Mewtwo.

 

[Starcutter]

No one else does, though.

.................................................



.....why is that a problem?

 

[FalKoopa]

Anthony Higgs seems like that option? Or what, Sylux?

I was referring to Higgs, yes.

 

[Deleted member]

Except that Pokémon Trainer wouldn't prevent 2 other characters from coming in his place.

But emo minish vaati is so cool...and he matches T. Link better....

Too tall and doesn't have a big enough head.

 

[Cpt.]

Except that Pokémon Trainer wouldn't prevent 2 other characters from coming in his place.

Too tall and doesn't have a big enough head.

ooooh you *shakes fist

No, but I think it would be cool if he was in human form and then switched for his final smash or something.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I shouldn't say this, but there is one last option. (Remember me?)

I think Mother Brain pushed him out of his only possible role in the game outside of being a normal trophy honestly. It's most likely Ridley or bust, the only other realistic option I see is if they're pulling a Wolf and make Dark Samus, and even that is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Cpt.]

I think Mother Brain pushed him out of his only possible role in the game outside of being a normal trophy honestly. It's most likely Ridley or bust, the only other realistic option I see is if they're pulling a Wolf and make Dark Samus, and even that is a bit of a stretch.

Or you can think about it like this. If Mother Brain is supposed to assist who is she assisting? Samus I don't think so. Makes more sense to assist Ridley don't you think.

 

[Raetah]

Yes, I should have phrased it as "the only reason the character was acceptable." Again, the gimmick was great, it is the only reason people don't actually play as Pokemon Trainer. One should realize when they conceived an irrational idea, that is my hope with Smash 4, I hope that Sakurai realizes that he needs to either cut Pokemon Trainer, or tweak the mechanics. Project M did a great job, Sakurai could do something similar but keep Pokemon Trainer in the background shouting out commands. Making the gimmick optional would certainly amend some issues that many have with the character as well.

Again, the notion that Pokemon Trainer was fine is Brawl is prevalent. I am content with Pokemon Trainer in Brawl. However, if they omit 2 diverse characters for the sake of keeping a gimmicky mechanic that wasn't well-received, I will interpret that as a detriment.

No one argues that Pokemon Trainer needs to be improved and balanced as well as the other characters, in fact i have readed that Sakurai stated that there were not going to be much newcomers in order to balance old characters (or something like that) and i dont see why wouldnt Red exclude of SSB. If at the end Charizard returns alone without the other starters (that would be disappointing to me) i wish that he at least shares his appearance with Red, as i said i dont consider Red a dead weight to Charizard, Red+Charizard=Bread+Butter. And actually it makes a lot of Sense.

Also something that would make sense is Pokemon Trainer being composed by Red, Charizard, Pikachu and Mewtwo. But that would be too much in one character.

Yeah seriously though if we somehow don't get Ridley, then we have to get Dark Samus. And if we don't get Dark Samus, then its all over........well I guess we got Mother Trophy at least right?......

As i said before, Mother is revealed as an assist trophy in order to let Metroid be a playable character, if Sakurai actually does something like that it would be proclamed as the ultimate troll causing a massive rage to Ridley supporters.

Now talking about Ghirahim and Vaati, if i support any Zelda character it would be, as i said before:

Personally, my favourite character for being a newcomer for both Zelda and Toon would be Wind Waker Ganondorf.

Current Ganondorf, used in Brawl and Melee is just a clone of Captain Falcon, but there is a conflict between fans of Zelda that want him to change the moveset or fans of SSB that want he to stay with that moveset. So adding Toon Ganondorf would be a solution avoiding the conflict, fans of Zelda would enjoy the Double Sword Agile Moveset of Wind Waker Ganondorf and those idiots who are attached to Captain Falcontwo would still have the option to play with it.

i have to admit that it sounds a bit rude in the end...

 

[Deleted member]

I'm hoping Mother Brain hurts everyone, including summoner.
I'd like to see villains be everyone's enemy.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I'm hoping Mother Brain hurts everyone, including summoner.
I'd like to see villains be everyone's enemy.

Always felt a bit odd to me that Andross was reduced to a servant role, especially if you summoned him as Fox.

 

[Deleted member]

Always felt a bit odd to me that Andross was reduced to a servant role, especially if you summoned him as Fox.

Well, to be fair, he picks a target to shoot at.
Andross should be an exception in regards to being "everyone's enemy", as he wouldn't target his summoner, but it should be where his summoner should not get in his line of fire, as it will hurt them.

 

[Kenith]

.................................................
.....why is that a problem?

I'm not going to quote myself, I'll just re-instate what I said.

Basically, every character has a "base". It connects them to the ground and must touch the ground directly underneath the character. For most characters, this would be their feet. On some characters, however, it is actually a base, like R.O.B.

This "base" is probably the reason why Ridley would be difficult, and why floating characters are also hard to develop. Why Assist Trophies have much more freedom in terms of shape and size.

I believe that every character must have a base if they are playable. I did not say, however, that Vaati, in this form, could not have one.

 

[Deleted member]

.....why would Ridley be difficult by this?
He's got fricking feet.

 

[Gunla]

I imagine the form of Ridley's movement to be like Mewtwo. If he is using a sidle-walk, he still walks on the ground. If he's running, it will be a floaty run.

 

[Raetah]

I think that Ridley is probably going to have double glide like Meta Knight.

 

[Cpt.]

I imagine the form of Ridley's movement to be like Mewtwo. If he is using a sidle-walk, he still walks on the ground. If he's running, it will be a floaty run.

I can imagine his sprint to be like Mewtwo's but I Ridley would be a LOT faster in the air.

 

[Kenith]

.....why would Ridley be difficult by this?
He's got fricking feet.

Because his feet are positioned far away from each other. Again, it's why I think he would be difficult, but not impossible.

 

[Starcutter]

I'm not going to quote myself, I'll just re-instate what I said.

Basically, every character has a "base". It connects them to the ground and must touch the ground directly underneath the character. For most characters, this would be their feet. On some characters, however, it is actually a base, like R.O.B.

This "base" is probably the reason why Ridley would be difficult, and why floating characters are also hard to develop. Why Assist Trophies have much more freedom in terms of shape and size.

I believe that every character must have a base if they are playable. I did not say, however, that Vaati, in this form, could not have one.

um.

uh.


I really don't think that's a problem, it's just that it hasn't happened before. that's the "problem"

 

[Kenith]

um. uh.
I really don't think that's a problem, it's just that it hasn't happened before. that's the "problem"

Well, there's probably reasons why it has not happened before.

edit: I think I have stupefied everyone with my stupid

 

[UltimateWario]

Well, there's probably reasons why it has not happened before.

It's possible that Sakurai had never considered Ridley as a playable character before post-Brawl. Metroid's cast doesn't exactly lend itself to obvious playable character material.

One could interpret the infamous interview response as, "Ridley? That'd be pretty impossible, since he's already a boss. You know, he could actually work as a character...he'd be a little slow, would that be alright?". Not saying that's how it happened, but it's certainly a possibility.

Also, a glide-run on Ridley would be horrid. The way Ridley flies, he'd have to have a dash as fast as Sonic's for it to look right. Just have him run on all fours like in Prime; Ridley's supposed to be slow and awkward on the ground anyway. Having his run be cumbersome and leave him highly vulnerable would fit his archetype perfectly. I love the idea of him being quite nearly unstoppable in the air, but being absolute combo fodder on the ground.

 

[Deleted member]

Because his feet are positioned far away from each other. Again, it's why I think he would be difficult, but not impossible.

.......what, is one foot on his head or something?

 

[UltimateWario]

.......what, is one foot on his head or something?

All was well with the Meta Ridley Project...until they put Pirate Swabbie Johnson on staff.

 

[Vez]

Literally the only thing anyone can hold against Ridley is his size, and does anyone here really think that Sakurai would let some phony-bologna reason like that stop him from adding a character? He's relevant, important, popular, has plenty of potential, and is visually distinct from the rest of the cast.

He was relevant, important and popular back during Brawl too, yet Sakurai didn't even consider the idea of making him a character. That says a lot to me.

Look, I want Ridley too, he'd be completely badass, but you shouldn't get your hopes up about him. Nobody should. There's a good chance he'll never be a character in these games. Ever. Just expect the worst and if he does get added you can run out into the streets naked and tell the world that he's in or something.

 

[Morbi]

He was relevant, important and popular back during Brawl too, yet Sakurai didn't even consider the idea of making him a character. That says a lot to me.

Look, I want Ridley too, he'd be completely badass, but you shouldn't get your hopes up about him. Nobody should. There's a good chance he'll never be a character in these games. Ever. Just expect the worst and if he does get added you can run out into the streets naked and tell the world that he's in or something.

Exactly, I honestly dictate a lot of my perspective based on precedent. The very notion that he wasn't present as a playable character in Brawl speaks volumes for me (the quote is very concise, I am not sure how people misinterpret it). I don't think it will never happen though. I certainly feel as though the 3DS attenuates his likelihood.

 

[UltimateWario]

-being a bummer in general-

We're all going to die someday, as will everyone we love. Eventually, the Earth will be a barren, freezing rock, and none of this will matter.

See, that's not a very good outlook to have, is it? Having hope may get you let down, but during that time, hope makes your life a little better. No, Ridley isn't a sure thing, but neither is anything in life. There's a lot of much bigger letdowns that are going to happen to all of us; I'm sure missing out on a playable character in a video game isn't much to deal with, especially when, if it happens, it just makes it that much sweeter.

I do appreciate your...realism, but I'm afraid its message is lost on one such as myself.

 

[Kenith]

.......what, is one foot on his head or something?

No, I meant that his awkward shape causes him to have to sort of "crouch", which divides his center of balance and makes him look awkward.

This is, of course, only a guess. Also, that stupid buzzard neck.

 

[Deleted member]

Ridley never really gained much fanfare for a playable sense until after Brawl's roster was already decided.
It's not exactly fair to say "welp, wasn't considered in Brawl, won't be considered now" when Sakurai really had no reason to consider him before.

 

[Morbi]

We're all going to die someday, as will everyone we love. Eventually, the Earth will be a barren, freezing rock, and none of this will matter.

See, that's not a very good outlook to have, is it?

You seriously compared pessimism in regards to Ridley to death? Um... okay.

 

[Deleted member]

No, I meant that his awkward shape causes him to have to sort of "crouch", which divides his center of balance and makes him look awkward.

So....like Bowser/Giga Bowser?

This is, of course, only a guess. Also, that stupid buzzard neck.

Which isn't really present in Other M, which his design will very likely be from.

I mean, have you even seen this yet?

 

[Vez]

We're all going to die someday, as will everyone we love. Eventually, the Earth will be a barren, freezing rock, and none of this will matter.

See, that's not a very good outlook to have, is it?

Edit: please refrain from posting pictures that are unrelated to character discussion.

 

[UltimateWario]

This picture of Reggie pierces my soul.

Cheer up, Reggie. You're still one of the coolest guys on the planet.

 

[Morbi]

Ridley never really gained much fanfare for a playable sense until after Brawl's roster was already decided.
It's not exactly fair to say "welp, wasn't considered in Brawl, won't be considered now" when Sakurai really had no reason to consider him before.

I am not entirely sure if that was directed at me, probably not (as I didn't insinuate that he wouldn't be considered). However, your last notion really bothered me. Sakurai had "no reason" to consider Metroid's main antagonist? I don't agree with that sentiment, especially as he had somewhat of a following after the Melee opening fiasco. I am not saying that he needed to be at the top of Sakurai's mind, but at the very least, he should have been considered.

 

[Kenith]

So....like Bowser/Giga Bowser?

Bowser is round and has stubby feet though, so his center of gravity is easily identifiable.

Which isn't really present in Other M, which his design will very likely be from.
I mean, have you even seen this yet?

Yes, I have seen that, I forget to mention it though. Really, that design would be excellent to use. His feet are exactly where they need to be, and he can almost stand upright. Also, that neck is gone. If Ridley gets in, it would probably be a fusion of his Prime series and Other M designs, like Samus.

 

[UltimateWario]

Isn't Samus just straight-up Other M?

I ask because, if it is a fusion, why the flying **** did they use Other M's boring-ass shoulder pad design over Prime's? Other M's shoulder pads are literally just balls with lines on them. 'Dey look like fookin' basketballs.

 

[Vez]

Ridley never really gained much fanfare for a playable sense until after Brawl's roster was already decided.
It's not exactly fair to say "welp, wasn't considered in Brawl, won't be considered now" when Sakurai really had no reason to consider him before.

That's not true at all, though. I was lurking forums constantly ever since the first Brawl trailer was shown off (I was far more hyped for that game than these ones) and loads of people wanted him. He was still one of the most requested characters. Not as requested as the likes of Sonic, King Dedede, Mega Man and Diddy Kong, granted, but he was definitely up there.

 

[Kenith]

Even if he was requested a lot pre-Brawl, popularity probably wasn't a huge deal before Brawl, as a lot of characters who were popular were also very important characters. And Brawl's roster was decided a year before it was even announced.

Another thing: Subspace Emissary. Most of the work done for Brawl was spent making it. Considering the difficulty of making Ridley, the many other higher-priority characters before him, and the emphasis Sakurai wanted to put on the SSE, he probably thought that Ridley's role as a boss (two bosses, actually) was a big deal and a suitable substitute for playable status.

Now, most of the work is undoubtedly going to the playable characters and gameplay, and Ridley is one of the most highly requested characters, so him being playable has a much bigger shot than many may think.