Character Discussion Thread

[Kenith]

It's much harder to judge what Sakurai is doing at an early point. And I don't think Mother Brain being an AT means anything for Ridley, other than more representation for Metroid in general.

No, I meant pre-E3 vs after e3, where we had actual info on Smash 4. Before then, we were pretty much drawing blanks.

 

[Deleted member]

DonK. Rool?


Anyways....
After playing Four Swords Anniversary Edition, Vaati fans will be glad to know that I am now in support of him.
...However, the ***** emo mage form from Minish Cap? No.

I will only accept Vaati as the flying blowfish that he is meant to be.

 

[Gunla]

No, I meant pre-E3 vs after e3, where we had actual info on Smash 4. Before then, we were pretty much drawing blanks.

Oof. My apologies.

But yes, before E3 was a time when no one knew what to do. Or think. Or thought Bowser Jr was going to be the 5th Mario Rep in Smash 4.

 

[Kenith]

DonK. Rool?
Anyways....
After playing Four Swords Anniversary Edition, Vaati fans will be glad to know that I am now in support of him.
...However, the ***** emo mage form from Minish Cap? No.

I will only accept Vaati as the flying blowfish that he is meant to be.

This is the form I support as well. It represents everything Zelda villains stand for: Awesome, intimidating designs, epic boss battles, and a glaring obvious weak-point in the form of a huge eye.

 

[Substitution]

Oof. My apologies.

But yes, before E3 was a time when no one knew what to do. Or think. Or thought Bowser Jr was going to be the 5th Mario Rep in Smash 4.

Oh the glory days. Those we're fun.

 

[Gunla]

DonK. Rool?


Anyways....
After playing Four Swords Anniversary Edition, Vaati fans will be glad to know that I am now in support of him.
...However, the ***** emo mage form from Minish Cap? No.

I will only accept Vaati as the flying blowfish that he is meant to be.

I've supported this form nonstop because it feels like a crazier and more creative version of Dark Matter. And it is purple.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Oh the glory days. Those we're fun.

Yeah it's clear we can't take a character's popularity into account anymore and leave it at that.

 

[Kenith]

Yeah it's clear we can't take a character's popularity into account anymore and leave it at that.

Then again, it does seem logical so assume characters would be chosen based on popularity, given all of Brawl's newcomers were popular. Sonic, Meta Knight, Pit, Wario...

 

[Deleted member]

I've supported this form nonstop because it feels like a crazier and more creative version of Dark Matter. And it is purple.

And can grow arms.
Out of purple hairy bats!

 

[Kenith]

My only concern for that form of Vaati is that he needs feet or something that attaches him to the ground.

 

[Substitution]

Then again, it does seem logical so assume characters would be chosen based on popularity, given all of Brawl's newcomers were popular. Sonic, Meta Knight, Pit, Wario...

Pit. Popular?
Never thought I'd hear those words together (speaking pre-Brawl here).

 

[Gunla]

Then again, it does seem logical so assume characters would be chosen based on popularity, given all of Brawl's newcomers were popular. Sonic, Meta Knight, Pit, Wario...

Sales. Relevancy. Does Nintendo care about them anymore. Uniqueness. Designs. Comparing to other characters. What competition they have. What have they done to give them movesets. How far to they need to branch out for a moveset. Do they serve a purpose in Nintendo's History. What people have heard of this character. The list goes on.

 

[Kenith]

Pit. Popular?
Never thought I'd hear those words together (speaking pre-Brawl here).

He was chosen over Mach Rider, wasn't he? He was the most popular retro, from what I understand.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Pfft, typical newbies don't know what their talking about, obviously the Minish Vaati is the only one deserving to make it as a playable character.

 

[Kenith]

Does anyone know what I meant when I mention characters need feet/ground-attached body parts to be playable? Should I explain?

 

[Deleted member]

My only concern for that form of Vaati is that he needs feet or something that attaches him to the ground.

No he doesn't.
He can just simply....hover right above the ground, you know? Think of Jigglypuff without legs.

 

[Kenith]

No he doesn't.
He can just simply....hover right above the ground, you know?

No one else does, though.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Does anyone know what I meant when I mention characters need feet/ground-attached body parts to be playable? Should I explain?

But I like characters that have no feet, it makes them really distinct from the rest of the cast.

 

[Deleted member]

No one else does, though.

Check the edit.
"Think of Jigglypuff without legs"

Look at her idle stance.

 

[Kenith]

But I like characters that have no feet, it makes them really distinct from the rest of the cast.

But every other character has feet or a base, and I think that's because characters that hover or don't have a "base" require changes to be made to the Smash formula. Tabuu and Master Hand hover, and have no knockback, hence, they don't function like other characters.

 

[Morbi]

No one else does, though.

Precisely the point. That is actually a positive thing.

Pfft, typical newbies don't know what their talking about, obviously the Minish Vaati is the only one deserving to make it as a playable character.

Why not both? I seriously think it would be awesome if he was emo Vaati on the ground, but when he jumps... he changes into his bat form (like a true vampire).

 

[BluePikmin11]

Can't you just make invisible feet if that's really a problem.

 

[Deleted member]

Precisely the point. That is actually a positive thing.


Why not both? I seriously think it would be awesome if he was emo Vaati on the ground, but when he jumps... he changes into his bat form (like a true vampire).

Like Aku in Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion XL? I admit, that would be cool. But I'd rather not have the lame mage form at all.

 

[BluePikmin11]

That would be pretty cool actually, But how bout Vaati turns into a butterfly to jump like Him.

 

[Deleted member]

Him doesn't do that.
That is his recovery.

Aku changes to his bat form whenever he is in the air.

 

[Raetah]

Just a repost from another "closed" article but here is my argument about why a big battle between characters is in the pokemon francise against Jigglypuff vs. Mewtwo (if there is only 4 slots)
and if there is 5 slots then Mewtwo vs. a Newcomer

Sakurai likes to represent big franchises as a whole and not just add characters from only a part of the franchise
Generation 1 has alot of reps even without Mewtwo or Jigglypuff
Gen 1
1.Pikachu 2.Jigglypuff 3.Ivysaur 4.Squitle 5.Charizard 6.Mewtwo
Newer Gens
1.Lucario

In all honesty pkm trainer with the same pokemon is guarnteed because of X&Y re-introducing the starters and Sakurai likes him and his unique gameplay.
Lucario never, NEVER had any chance of NOT getting in. (Play any pokemon game after gen 3)
Really it comes down to if pkm either gets 5 reps and/or Jiggly and Mewtwo will fight for a spot.
Why (and) if we do have 5 reps...it is because Sakurai wants to represent series (all of them not just pkm) as a whole and not just 1 part of its history.
So if 5 reps happen then it will be Mewtwo vs. (in all honesty these 2 Zoroark and Blaziken)
Here are reasons to doubt them both. (reasons for should be self evident)


Now lets consider things that might hurt what everyone thinks will get in Mewtwo
1. was a low priority character in brawl with Jigglypuff being much higher prio then him
2. Having 2 Mega-evolutions hurt his chances because adding one without the other alienates the people who bought the other pokemon game. (Though he can just not have Megas at all but that brings it to the next point)
3. He has lost alot of traction in the newer games. In pokemon X&Y even though used as marketing material (just like Lucario, Blaziken, and to a point Jiggs) his status in the game is non-existent and completely avoidable.
4. His fanbase is not as big as it used to be. NOW WAIT before you kill me yes he was in a recent pokemon movie (for 20min then lost and left forever) but he was seriously underplayed in the movie and not a main focus.
5. In Japan he is not that popular. (Sakurai does make alot of decisions based on japan)

Things that could hurt Jigglypuff
6. Sakurai wants to have more newer generation representation.
1. Really not as popular in the US as she was. (japan she still is very popular)
2. Sakurai wants to have more newer generation representation.
3.Thats really it.....not really anything else.

"Sakurai likes to represent big franchises as a whole and not just add characters from only a part of the franchise" Where does this come from? Because taking a quick look to SSB rooster we can find exactly that, franchises being represented only partially, like many series that only have protagonists and not antagonist, Fire Emblem that is a series that includes much variety in characters, yet we only get swordsmen of it. In fact YOUR OWN POST proof that this argument is incorrect since it is clear and obvious that First Generation of Pokemon, Kanto region have priority and preference over the rest of the franchise.
By the way you forgot to mention Pichu representating the 2nd generation, hehe.
You can also consider that Pokemon is well represented in SSB, if SSB have mainly Kanto Pokemons is for a good reason and is that they are the most iconic in Nintendo history, yet the rest of Pokemon generations are not completly ignored they come in form of Pokeball and in part of Stages, you and others maybe think that is not enough but in my opinion is fair and acceptable.
"His fanbase is not as big as it used to be"
Where you find those informations, really, in a recent big poll (not official though) he was placed in 2nd place of a top 100 of favorite Pokemons only outclassed by Charizard, now think who are the Pokemon that have different Mega Evolutions, oh.
About Jigglypuff:
"Sakurai wants to have more newer generation representation."
Really, where you find those failure arguments? It is obvious that Sakurai is biased to 1st generation.
And also, for some reason Jigglypuff have become a no-dispensable part of SSB, it was in 64, it returned in Melee and Mewtwo was the one cutted in brawl, not Jigglypuff, at this point it is a safe assumption that Sakurai wants Jigglypuff to stay in SSB for some reason.

We also have Rayquaza as a boss in Brawl, that is really popular too, but like Ridley he was a too big to be playable ().

The better question, where is Pokemon Trainer in general? I am an advocate of his cut, but I would certainly retain Charizard in the roster.

I can agree with this. If the Trainer is indeed cut, I can still easily see Charizard getting in on his own.

To begin with Pokemon Trainer is in therms of representation of Pokemon a great character, it basically represents all this:
*The starters, specifically the starters of Kanto which are the most emblematic.
*The trio of elements that are connected to the starters, Grass, Fire and Water.
*Different states of Evolution, squirtle being in the base, Ivysaur being the first evolution and Charizard being the final form (if you dont count mega evolutions now).
*It represents Charizard that is one of the most popular, if not the most Pokemon.
*It represents Red that is most emblematic Pokemon Trainer.

So basically why should be he cutted?
I mean he is RED, in Pokemon he is the equivalent to Link, Samus, Donkey Kong, Mario, Kirby, Marth, Pit, Olimar, Ness, Fox... It is the main character in the first Pokemon game, Ok in other games he is not playable but thats something that Pokemon shares with other series, like for example Fire Emblem although Marth is not the Main protagonist of all Fire Emblem games, most of the people would reconigze him as the main Fire Emblem character. Same goes with Pokemon and he also have appearances in other games like Gold, Silver and remakes of those in where he is the final boss and is threated in the game as a legend.
Is one of the most important and less dispensable Nintendo characters.
And i dont really understand why people thinks that he is like a dead weight to Charizard instead of the perfect team they actually are, It is the character who represents better Pokemon as it is than the rest of the characters.

Isaac is still really popular for whatever reason, though.

Golden Sun caused a considerable impact in the past, and is one of those games, that when you are fan of it, you never forget it.

Issac has earth magic,

You did two of the things that i really hate:
*Writing incorrectly Isaac
*Defining Isaac in a single line as an user of Earth Magic, yes, is real that he is a Venus Adept (Earth) but saying only that of him is a poor description of the character.

Isaac can (feasibly) control Earth, Wind, Fire, and Ice/Water. He can also use one-handed weapons (although he does use two-handed ones a few times).

Good, to this there are two things that can be added to the list, the assistance of Magical creatures in battle, djinn and Summons of Gods that could devastate the Stage if anything most likely to be used as a Final Smash.

Issac can shoot geysers out from the ground, create earthquakes, summon falling rocks, summon these little impish creatures called djinn, grow plants, teleport, heal and summon doomsday. He also has a sword.

I-S-A-A-C repeat with me, Isaac. Much better explanation of the Isaac potential now, but is not completed.

With Xenoblade 2, X, or whatever it will be called, I think Shulk has a decent chance of getting in. Plus he can be different from the rest of the playable characters. Xenoblaze said it well.

As well as im concerned at the moment X is not confirmed to be part of Xenoblade, until that happens chances of Shulk are not related to X.

If I were to pick between Shulk and Isaac, I would easily pick Shulk just because of how superior the game is to Golden Sun and the various abilities Shulk can use at his disposal and his really interesting time mechanic.

Xenoblade superior to Golden Sun? Debatable, to begin with although both are RPGs, one is a Turn-Based RPG designed to be reminiscent of old and classic NES games the other is an Action RPG of new generation. Comparing those games is hard. Xenoblade popularity seems to be higher at the moment for being something recent in contrast to Golden Sun. With some years Xenoblade could be in the same situation of Golden Sun.
Now if we talk about Shulk powers, other than seeing the future (and this is something that is unlikely going to be used except for Final smash if Shulk is in the game) and causing different damage or effect depending on the place you attack your oponent, there is not much that he can does that Isaac cant does. In other Hand we have plenty of things that Isaac can does that Shulk dont.

I think it's insane to not have Mac on any prediction roster, he's pretty much a shoo-in and has at this point, and removing Mac from your roster seems rather awkward to me, eventually he'll be revealed and anyone who didn't have Little Mac should really think harder about their predictions.

People thinks that Ridley, Mewtwo, King K. Rool, Little Mac and Palutena are Guaranteed characters, but im going to do a weird bet, only two or three of those characters are going to be playable.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Why not both? I seriously think it would be awesome if he was emo Vaati on the ground, but when he jumps... he changes into his bat form (like a true vampire).

I actually wouldn't mind that, if Sakurai can do it right. Possibly transforming into bat form when recovering too, maybe?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well it's only been 4 years since Xenoblades release, I think it could be chosen, like how the semi-popular Mother series got Ness in Smash 64 (Which was around 5 years ago). Shulk really deserves to be in the game.

 

[FalKoopa]

Four Swords Vaati would make for a great Final Smash.

I wish Toon Link had kept some Four Swords flair in Smash (using the Four Sword instead of the Master Sword, something similar to Crusade for a Final Smash, etc). Would probably have improved Vaati's chances a little.

 

[Deleted member]

Considering that Toon Link is "Link as he appeared in Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass", it doesn't surprise me that there are very little nods to other games that use the design other than the other Links from the Four Swords games being palettes.

 

[Morbi]

"Sakurai likes to represent big franchises as a whole and not just add characters from only a part of the franchise" Where does this come from? Because taking a quick look to SSB rooster we can find exactly that, franchises being represented only partially, like many series that only have protagonists and not antagonist, Fire Emblem that is a series that includes much variety in characters, yet we only get swordsmen of it. In fact YOUR OWN POST proof that this argument is incorrect since it is clear and obvious that First Generation of Pokemon, Kanto region have priority and preference over the rest of the franchise.
By the way you forgot to mention Pichu representating the 2nd generation, hehe.
You can also consider that Pokemon is well represented in SSB, if SSB have mainly Kanto Pokemons is for a good reason and is that they are the most iconic in Nintendo history, yet the rest of Pokemon generations are not completly ignored they come in form of Pokeball and in part of Stages, you and others maybe think that is not enough but in my opinion is fair and acceptable.
"His fanbase is not as big as it used to be"
Where you find those informations, really, in a recent big poll (not official though) he was placed in 2nd place of a top 100 of favorite Pokemons only outclassed by Charizard, now think who are the Pokemon that have different Mega Evolutions, oh.
About Jigglypuff:
"Sakurai wants to have more newer generation representation."
Really, where you find those failure arguments? It is obvious that Sakurai is biased to 1st generation.
And also, for some reason Jigglypuff have become a no-dispensable part of SSB, it was in 64, it returned in Melee and Mewtwo was the one cutted in brawl, not Jigglypuff, at this point it is a safe assumption that Sakurai wants Jigglypuff to stay in SSB for some reason.

We also have Rayquaza as a boss in Brawl, that is really popular too, but like Ridley he was a too big to be playable ().

To begin with Pokemon Trainer is in therms of representation of Pokemon a great character, it basically represents all this:
*The starters, specifically the starters of Kanto which are the most emblematic.
*The trio of elements that are connected to the starters, Grass, Fire and Water.
*Different states of Evolution, squirtle being in the base, Ivysaur being the first evolution and Charizard being the final form (if you dont count mega evolutions now).
*It represents Charizard that is one of the most popular, if not the most Pokemon.
*It represents Red that is most emblematic Pokemon Trainer.

So basically why should be he cutted?
I mean he is RED, in Pokemon he is the equivalent to Link, Samus, Donkey Kong, Mario, Kirby, Marth, Pit, Olimar, Ness, Fox... It is the main character in the first Pokemon game, Ok in other games he is not playable but thats something that Pokemon shares with other series, like for example Fire Emblem although Marth is not the Main protagonist of all Fire Emblem games, most of the people would reconigze him as the main Fire Emblem character. Same goes with Pokemon and he also have appearances in other games like Gold, Silver and remakes of those in where he is the final boss and is threated in the game as a legend.
Is one of the most important and less dispensable Nintendo characters.
And i dont really understand why people thinks that he is like a dead weight to Charizard instead of the perfect team they actually are, It is the character who represents better Pokemon as it is than the rest of the characters.
Golden Sun caused a considerable impact in the past, and is one of those games, that when you are fan of it, you never forget it.
You did two of the things that i really hate:
*Writing incorrectly Isaac
*Defining Isaac in a single line as an user of Earth Magic, yes, is real that he is a Venus Adept (Earth) but saying only that of him is a poor description of the character.
Good, to this there are two things that can be added to the list, the assistance of Magical creatures in battle, djinn and Summons of Gods that could devastate the Stage if anything most likely to be used as a Final Smash.
I-S-A-A-C repeat with me, Isaac. Much better explanation of the Isaac potential now, but is not completed.
As well as im concerned at the moment X is not confirmed to be part of Xenoblade, until that happens chances of Shulk are not related to X.
Xenoblade superior to Golden Sun? Debatable, to begin with although both are RPGs, one is a Turn-Based RPG designed to be reminiscent of old and classic NES games the other is an Action RPG of new generation. Comparing those games is hard. Xenoblade popularity seems to be higher at the moment for being something recent in contrast to Golden Sun. With some years Xenoblade could be in the same situation of Golden Sun.
Now if we talk about Shulk powers, other than seeing the future (and this is something that is unlikely going to be used except for Final smash if Shulk is in the game) and causing different damage or effect depending on the place you attack your oponent, there is not much that he can does that Isaac cant does. In other Hand we have plenty of things that Isaac can does that Shulk dont.
People thinks that Ridley, Mewtwo, King K. Rool, Little Mac and Palutena are Guaranteed characters, but im going to do a weird bet, only two or three of those characters are going to be playable.

Personally, it isn't necessarily about what Pokemon Trainer represents. He is a detriment to the roster, he is the most ideal to omit from a developmental perspective. Charizard represents everything that Pokemon Trainer represents except for the Trainer aspect. Again, I don't necessarily believe that Sakurai selects characters on the roster based on what they represent. That is irrelevant though, I advocate his omission as Charizard is the only reason the character actually exists. Without Charizard's staggering prominence, prevalence, and popularity; we wouldn't even have Pokemon Trainer as a character in Brawl. Ultimately, it comes down to the notion that he is the most logical cut. You can cut Pokemon Trainer, a character few want to play (as the mechanics are a burden on his play-style) or you can cut characters that have a fan-base, characters that have a different play-style. Lets be perfectly honest, would you rather have Pokemon Trainer cut, or would you rather have Lucas and Wolf cut (assuming those are the most "rational" omissions)?

 

[Kenith]

Four Swords Vaati would make for a great Final Smash.

I wish Toon Link had kept some Four Swords flair in Smash (using the Four Sword instead of the Master Sword, something similar to Crusade for a Final Smash, etc). Would probably have improved Vaati's chances a little.

Now that I think about it, Toon Link needs a new Final Smash. If only his alternate colours didn't match the Four Swords Links, it would so cool to have a FS where Link splits into four and they pummel the hell of the victim.

 

[FalKoopa]

Well it's only been 4 years since Xenoblades release, I think it could be chosen, like how the semi-popular Mother series got Ness in Smash 64 (Which was around 5 years ago). Shulk really deserves to be in the game.

Ness was relatively recent when Smash 64 came by, but the Mother series was far older. At two installments, the series was about as qualified as F-Zero, StarFox or Metroid.

 

[Deleted member]

Personally, it isn't necessarily about what Pokemon Trainer represents. He is a detriment to the roster, he is the most ideal to omit from a developmental perspective. Charizard represents everything that Pokemon Trainer represents except for the Trainer aspect. Again, I don't necessarily believe that Sakurai selects characters on the roster based on what they represent. That is irrelevant though, I advocate his omission as Charizard is the only reason the character actually exists. Without Charizard's staggering prominence, prevalence, and popularity; we wouldn't even have Pokemon Trainer as a character in Brawl. Ultimately, it comes down to the notion that he is the most logical cut. You can cut Pokemon Trainer, a character few want to play (as the mechanics are a burden on his play-style) or you can cut characters that have a fan-base, characters that have a different play-style. Lets be perfectly honest, would you rather have Pokemon Trainer cut, or would you rather have Lucas and Wolf cut (assuming those are the most "rational" omissions)?

You are giving Charizard too much credit.

The reason why the character exists in Smash is because Sakurai wanted to incorporate the gimmick that he did. Not because of Charizard.
Charizard being who he is is why he is a part of the concept, but not why the concept exists.

 

[Louie G.]

Charizard isn't why the concept exists, but it's arguably why everyone likes the concept so much.
Cutting PT's Pokemon would cause more backlash than replacing PT with Charizard IMO.

 

[Morbi]

You are giving Charizard too much credit.

The reason why the character exists in Smash is because Sakurai wanted to incorporate the gimmick that he did. Not because of Charizard.
Charizard being who he is is why he is a part of the concept, but not why the concept exists.

Yes, I should have phrased it as "the only reason the character was acceptable." Again, the gimmick was great, it is the only reason people don't actually play as Pokemon Trainer. One should realize when they conceived an irrational idea, that is my hope with Smash 4, I hope that Sakurai realizes that he needs to either cut Pokemon Trainer, or tweak the mechanics. Project M did a great job, Sakurai could do something similar but keep Pokemon Trainer in the background shouting out commands. Making the gimmick optional would certainly amend some issues that many have with the character as well.

Again, the notion that Pokemon Trainer was fine is Brawl is prevalent. I am content with Pokemon Trainer in Brawl. However, if they omit 2 diverse characters for the sake of keeping a gimmicky mechanic that wasn't well-received, I will interpret that as a detriment.

 

[Kenith]

Me and Morbid both have Wesker avatars, use pink text, and like posts frequently.
This is very confusing...

 

[Raetah]

Personally, it isn't necessarily about what Pokemon Trainer represents. He is a detriment to the roster, he is the most ideal to omit from a developmental perspective. Charizard represents everything that Pokemon Trainer represents except for the Trainer aspect. Again, I don't necessarily believe that Sakurai selects characters on the roster based on what they represent. That is irrelevant though, I advocate his omission as Charizard is the only reason the character actually exists. Without Charizard's staggering prominence, prevalence, and popularity; we wouldn't even have Pokemon Trainer as a character in Brawl. Ultimately, it comes down to the notion that he is the most logical cut. You can cut Pokemon Trainer, a character few want to play (as the mechanics are a burden on his play-style) or you can cut characters that have a fan-base, characters that have a different play-style. Lets be perfectly honest, would you rather have Pokemon Trainer cut, or would you rather have Lucas and Wolf cut (assuming those are the most "rational" omissions)?

To be honest, SSB although is a game, it is also a gallery of Nintendo History. I consider that both Red and Charizard are legit characters in order to appear in and the other starters as well. And no, it is not, representation is not irrelevant. And i dont really want any character being cutted since everyone seems to have his fuction in the game, but if you actually ask me to choose, i would pick Pokemon Trainer above other some popular characters like Fox, Captain Falcon, Marth, and many others. Because i really think that he really deserves to be in SSB.
And dont be mistaken my argument is not that Fox, Captain Falcon and Marth are not worthy to SSB, my argument is that Red is worthy to be in SSB alongside the other Nintendo characters.

 

[BluePikmin11]

People thinks that Ridley, Mewtwo, King K. Rool, Little Mac and Palutena are Guaranteed characters, but im going to do a weird bet, only two or three of those characters are going to be playable.

I think 3/5 of those characters could make it. 3 of them being obvious shoo-ins now due to certain events.

Ness was relatively recent when Smash 64 came by, but the Mother series was far older. At two installments, the series was about as qualified as F-Zero, StarFox or Metroid.

I forgot about that.
I would relate it to Pokemon, but Xenoblade is not even close to the amount of popularity gain Pokemon got at it's start.

 

[Cpt.]

We

we could use dark samus as well but her chances are minimal


I'm hoping sakurai's vision is realized and diddy becomes diddy/Dixie tag team

Yeah seriously though if we somehow don't get Ridley, then we have to get Dark Samus. And if we don't get Dark Samus, then its all over........well I guess we got Mother Trophy at least right?......