Character Discussion Thread

[Burruni]

This is pretty much what I thought too. I feel like Ryu will be revealed last as he's a far bigger deal than Roy.

For those of you who love patterns and need something to speculate over;

E3 2013: Two Nintendo fighters revealed first followed by Megaman, a third party.
E3 2014: Two Nintendo fighters revealed first followed by Pac-Man, a third party.
E3 2015: ???

Inaccurate.

At E3 2013, was announced during the first trailer and it ended with 's trailer. Later that day, got confirmed.

But there's always the matter of "That was on-disc, this is DLC. We don't know."

 

[YoshiandToad]

Inaccurate.

At E3 2013, was announced during the first trailer and it ended with 's trailer. Later that day, got confirmed.

But there's always the matter of "That was on-disc, this is DLC. We don't know."

My bad, I genuinely forgot Wii Fit was last that year. Seems so long ago...

 

[Fatmanonice]

Although you guys do have to realize if they do choose someone from the Smash Ballot it's probably just going to be a teaser image at best, like in the October '14 Direct. It's only been two months and there's no way in Hell that they'd already have a full blown trailer unless it was a veteran (keep in mind that have consistently been in the top ten in major polls about the Smash Ballot) and that would only be because there's a pretty good chance that they intended cut characters to be DLC from the get-go.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't think E3 is a good time to any potentially unpopular reveals. The best you can do to not detract from the hype train is a silent announcement on the site without much fanfare.

So you think they should release unpopular characters by just posting their reveal videos instead of a direct? That would be a good idea too. I was just thinking they could reveal an unpopular character on Sunday, and then reveal characters everyone wants on E3. It's probably just my optimistic views on everything, but I think it could happen.

 

[BKupa666]

It is "plausible" that Roy could be revealed at a random Japan-only FE concert, but it'd be a new low in terms of venue publicity for a character reveal. Shulk still showed up in a legitimate Nintendo Direct, and Pac-Man got shown off at an investors' meeting (which is where Brawl's entire initial trailer got shown off back in the day IIRC).

 

[Ura]

Again, their not going to waste a DLC reveal at an event were only a limited amount of fans can see the character get revealed.

Shulk is a different story. Like @ BKupa666 said, Shulk was revealed at a Direct which garnishes a lot more publicity and wasn't half-***** like doing a reveal at a region exclusive concert.

When your selling DLC, you want to sell it to as many consumers across the world hence why you would want to reveal the character to the broadest audience possible. Just doing it at a Japan exclusive concert doesn't have the same effect and i pretty watered down.

 

[BluePikmin11]

A surprise wouldn't hurt, they would probably reveal it after the direct like with WFT.
Or he can surprise and reveal their surprise character first when you least expect it.

 

[kylexv]

This is pretty much what I thought too. I feel like Ryu will be revealed at a later date at a larger event, since he's a far bigger deal.

For those of you who love patterns and need something to speculate over;

E3 2013: Two Nintendo fighters revealed first followed by Megaman, a third party.
E3 2014: Two Nintendo fighters revealed first followed by Pac-Man, a third party.
E3 2015: ???

Mega Man was revealed before Wii Fit Trainer.

EDIT: 'd

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

It doesn't matter where anybody is revealed. Technology makes it irrelevant. News of ANY CHARACTER being revealed will reach anybody who cares within seconds.

Roy revealed at FE Concert (which I believe is a regular thing)? Within seconds, the news will be on Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, IGN, Kotaku...sources anybody who cares will have access to. It'd be one thing if the internet didn't exist, and information traveled by word of mouth. But you guys are acting like the information won't get out. It would, within seconds.

In my opinion, it just doesn't matter. I think it's more that people want Roy revealed on Sunday, so they won't think of any other plausible scenario. Yeah, Roy could be revealed Sunday. But now suddenly it's, "WHAT. THERE'S NO WAY HE COULD BE REVEALED A MONTH FROM NOW". Even though that was the idea when Sakurai's presentation at the concert was first announced.

Let's think past what we want shall we? Roy is already practically guaranteed to be in based on those sound files. If Ryu gets revealed, it gives even more evidence to Roy coming back. I don't really get why Roy needs to be revealed at E3.

EDIT: Robin and Lucina were revealed in a video stream on the Smash Bros. site. Sure, it was announced that there would be a character, but that's about as minor as it gets. Then, it spread from media outlet to media outlet. Shulk was revealed in a region exclusive Direct. It's happened before, and it can happen again.

 

[Graizen]

Can someone please re-open the Simon Belmont topic?

 

[Ura]

Again, DLC is a much different scenario then characters in the initial roster Your selling DLC to as many people as possible and you want them all to know about it at the same time.

Even if were using precedents here, all of the previous DLC reveals were revealed at significantly big events (Mewtwo in the 50 Fact Video and Lucas for the April 1st Direct).

 

[Arcadenik]

Can someone please re-open the Simon Belmont topic?

Yes. We need to talk about Simon Belmont more.

 

[Curious Villager]

I don't think E3 is a good time to any potentially unpopular reveals. The best you can do to not detract from the hype train is a silent announcement on the site without much fanfare.

To be fair, we kinda got an unpopular/controversial/character hardly anybody asked at least once in the previous two E3's.....

Eitherway, as DLC, it's probably for the best to announce every character on big events if they actually want to sell them. No matter how unpopular or controversial they may be. But as Scoliosis Jones said. News travels fast so no matter how silently Nintendo reveals any character, it will spread over every gaming news site before you know it....

 

[Burruni]

I know this is unrelated to upcoming fighters and such but

THERE IS NO GOD
WE HAVE KILLED THE DIVINE
THIS IS OUR PUNISHMENT

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I know this is unrelated to upcoming fighters and such but

THERE IS NO GOD
WE HAVE KILLED THE DIVINE
THIS IS OUR PUNISHMENT

Poor Knuckles. Will he ever regain his body type.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I know this is unrelated to upcoming fighters and such but

THERE IS NO GOD
WE HAVE KILLED THE DIVINE
THIS IS OUR PUNISHMENT

...*faints*


Someone mentioned Simon Belmont. I used to not want him out of petty spite for Dracula in the first game. Last night I cheesed it with Holy Water. I'm indifferent again

 

[Champ Gold]

Smash direct will reveal & first.


Then new stages for 3DS and Wii U
New modes for 3DS and Wii U
Battlefield in For Glory mode
& Lucas get free custom moves in the update.
New costumes
And Ryu ends it.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I know this is unrelated to upcoming fighters and such but

THERE IS NO GOD
WE HAVE KILLED THE DIVINE
THIS IS OUR PUNISHMENT

What do you get when you mix fire and ice?
You get the most misused trope in video game history, I tell ya.

The platforming doesn't look like a burn and frozen pile of Sticks-poop though.

 

[Arcanir]

In terms of Roy and Ryu, I think it depends on what the plan is. It would make sense to save Ryu or Roy for the other events, but it would also make sense to have Nintendo start the week off strong. Ryu being revealed on Sunday in particular would be huge, even if it's not quite at E3 that news would surprise many and get a lot of attention towards Nintendo and they could use that for the Championship and their Digital Direct later in the week.

Wolf I'm still skeptical about personality in terms of E3, mostly because we haven't gotten anything about him in terms of the game's data or otherwise unlike Ryu or Roy. I feel that if he's being planned, he's not at the same point either of those two are and we won't see him here, it would be somewhere down the line. We'll see though, who knows what will happen.

I know this is unrelated to upcoming fighters and such but

THERE IS NO GOD
WE HAVE KILLED THE DIVINE
THIS IS OUR PUNISHMENT

To be fair, the 3DS version was decently received from what I've heard and it did have good points in it. At the very least, it didn't get nearly the same amount of bile that the Wii U one got.

 

[Fatmanonice]

It doesn't matter where anybody is revealed. Technology makes it irrelevant. News of ANY CHARACTER being revealed will reach anybody who cares within seconds.

Which is true. Sakurai could write "Ridley's DLC, LOL" on a napkin at a random ramen shop, leave it behind for someone to notice, and it would be on the front page of most major gaming sites within the hour. Hell, GameExplain would have a three hour speculation video on it within the first half hour.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

After doing research, Anna is not only considered the Fire Emblem mascot but is much more important to gameplay than, you know, the actual Fire Emblem. Popular, recent moveset potential due to her Trickster shenanigans, important to the series as again, pretty much the mascot. Any arguments against her other than filthy casuals whining about Fire Emblem characters?

 

[Ura]

Smash direct will reveal & first.


Then new stages for 3DS and Wii U
New modes for 3DS and Wii U
Battlefield in For Glory mode
& Lucas get free custom moves in the update.
New costumes
And Ryu ends it.

That would be the best way to go about with the Smash Direct though I would have Wolf revealed at the start of the direct and Roy towards the middle or ending of the direct. I would also have Ryu for a special reveal in the Nintendo World Championships instead of the direct.

 

[FalKoopa]

To be fair, we kinda got an unpopular/controversial/character hardly anybody asked at least once in the previous two E3's.....

Eitherway, as DLC, it's probably for the best to announce every character on big events if they actually want to sell them. No matter how unpopular or controversial they may be. But as Scoliosis Jones said. News travels fast so no matter how silently Nintendo reveals any character, it will spread over every gaming news site before you know it....

Mii's were only unpopular amongst the more serious fans, but point taken.

 

[StormC]

Again, DLC is a much different scenario then characters in the initial roster Your selling DLC to as many people as possible and you want them all to know about it at the same time.

Nintendo Of America's Twitter: "Mr. Sakurai has just announced that Roy from Fire Emblem will join Smash as DLC!"

Cue going viral.

After doing research, Anna is not only considered the Fire Emblem mascot but is much more important to gameplay than, you know, the actual Fire Emblem. Popular, recent moveset potential due to her Trickster shenanigans, important to the series as again, pretty much the mascot. Any arguments against her other than filthy casuals whining about Fire Emblem characters?

It might help to phrase this question in a less confrontational manner.

Are people not allowed to think Fire Emblem has too many characters? Especially when other series with multiple times the amounts of popularity and success of Fire Emblem are struggling to get half the characters Fire Emblem would have, at a whopping six? Fire Emblem would have more characters than Zelda.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Nintendo Of America's Twitter: "Mr. Sakurai has just announced that Roy from Fire Emblem will join Smash as DLC!"

Cue going viral.



It might help to phrase this question in a less confrontational manner.

Are people not allowed to think Fire Emblem has too many characters? Especially when other series with multiple times the amounts of popularity and success of Fire Emblem are struggling to get half the characters Fire Emblem would have, at a whopping six? Fire Emblem would have more characters than Zelda.

You know how the big Nintendo three is Mario, Zelda and Metroid, right? Fire Emblem replaces Metroid there. Besides, Kid Icarus has more characters than ****ing Donkey Kong and Metroid, Fire Emblem already has more characters than Kirby. It's clear that balancing the amount of characters per franchise is nonexistent, and I can easily see an even bigger popularity spike for FE in the future. Besides, I'm not saying you can't dislike Fire Emblem getting more representation, but that you can't say "It has enough characters" as an argument

 

[ZeldaMaster]

After doing research, Anna is not only considered the Fire Emblem mascot but is much more important to gameplay than, you know, the actual Fire Emblem. Popular, recent moveset potential due to her Trickster shenanigans, important to the series as again, pretty much the mascot. Any arguments against her other than filthy casuals whining about Fire Emblem characters?

Anna's stupid ass ISN'T the Fire Emblem mascot. Marth is. Like holy crap, do you think Nurse Joy is the mascot of the Pokemon series?

 

[Burruni]

After doing research, Anna is not only considered the Fire Emblem mascot but is much more important to gameplay than, you know, the actual Fire Emblem. Popular, recent moveset potential due to her Trickster shenanigans, important to the series as again, pretty much the mascot. Any arguments against her other than filthy casuals whining about Fire Emblem characters?

Anna's issues boil down to three things

1) While being in 12/13 released games, she's not had a HUGE role in any one game. She's been shopkeeps, tutorial guides, story tellers, and then Awakening made her an utility NPC, Unit, and even Superboss.

2) She's not as high in requests than the likes of Micaiah or Lyn, despite being an infinitely better character Anna being a clear favorite of Intelligent Systems.

3) Fire Emblem has only had protagonists appear so far.

Any good supporter should know the arguments against their characters.

 

[StormC]

You know how the big Nintendo three is Mario, Zelda and Metroid, right? Fire Emblem replaces Metroid there. Besides, Kid Icarus has more characters than ****ing Donkey Kong and Metroid, Fire Emblem already has more characters than Kirby. It's clear that balancing the amount of characters per franchise is nonexistent, and I can easily see an even bigger popularity spike for FE in the future. Besides, I'm not saying you can't dislike Fire Emblem getting more representation, but that you can't say "It has enough characters" as an argument

What are the standards by which we consider the big three? Because Mario, Pokemon and Zelda are the top selling franchises, followed by Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Metroid.

I wouldn't be so hasty to push Fire Emblem to the forefront so quickly on the basis of one successful game. Besides, I could put 15 Pokemon fighters in the game, by your logic. But nobody but Pokemon fans would be thrilled about that.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

What are the standards by which we consider the big three? Because Mario, Pokemon and Zelda are the top selling franchises, followed by Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Metroid.

I wouldn't be so hasty to push Fire Emblem to the forefront so quickly on the basis of one successful game. Besides, I could put 15 Pokemon fighters in the game, by your logic. But nobody but Pokemon fans would be thrilled about that.

Exactly. I always laugh when people say that. Pokemon is clearly part of the top 3, and it's bigger than Zelda. And Fire Emblem is much bigger in Japan than Metroid or StarFox.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Anna's stupid *** ISN'T the Fire Emblem mascot. Marth is. Like holy crap, do you think Nurse Joy is the mascot of the Pokemon series?

I said she's considered the mascot, not that she is the mascot. Marth is having his fifth game appearance with If, the 14th game. It might be Anna's second game she hasn't appeared in.

What are the standards by which we consider the big three? Because Mario, Pokemon and Zelda are the top selling franchises, followed by Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Metroid.

I wouldn't be so hasty to push Fire Emblem to the forefront so quickly on the basis of one successful game. Besides, I could put 15 Pokemon fighters in the game, by your logic. But nobody but Pokemon fans would be thrilled about that.

It's a term from old Nintendo gamers, people considered Mario, Zelda and Metroid the main three,

Using Nintendo's second best selling IP as an example doesn't really work. Besides, it's not like I said FE should get multiple characters. Anna is all I really care for at this point as Lyn's flaws became apparent in FE7

 

[Ura]

Nintendo Of America's Twitter: "Mr. Sakurai has just announced that Roy from Fire Emblem will join Smash as DLC!"

Cue going viral.

That's a good point though Nintendo's going to want the reveal trailer to be seen be everyone to generate more hype hence E3 being the better venue for the reveal.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

I said she's considered the mascot, not that she is the mascot. Marth is having his fifth game appearance with If, the 14th game. It might be Anna's second game she hasn't appeared in.

I have literally seen no indication from either Intelligent Systems or Smash Bros to suggest Anna is the mascot. Again, you can't just use the fact that she's appeared in multiple games to make her seem like a mascot, because then Nurse Joy would be the mascot of Pokemon. Plus, she was only playable in one.

 

[StormC]

Using Nintendo's second best selling IP as an example doesn't really work.

So you don't think it would be incredibly disproportionate if Pokemon had 10+ characters? Because six Fire Emblem characters means they make up more than 10% of the roster.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I have literally seen no indication from either Intelligent Systems or Smash Bros to suggest Anna is the mascot. Again, you can't just use the fact that she's appeared in multiple games to make her seem like a mascot, because then Nurse Joy would be the mascot of Pokemon. Plus, she was only playable in one.

Considered the mascot=/= is the mascot. Besides, Nurse Joy isn't popular among fans nor does she have the title of 'hardest boss in the franchise'. I don't think you even get to talk about how important characters are considering you called the 3 most iconic indie characters 'nobody names'

So you don't think it would be incredibly disproportionate if Pokemon had 10+ characters? Because six Fire Emblem characters means they make up more than 10% of the roster.

I would, however, I'm only saying 1 character. You're saying multiple characters

Sheesh. Had I known saying that Anna's more important to the franchise than the actual Fire Emblem would cause these kinds of hissy fits I'd have shut my mouth

 

[Ura]

Isn't Marth technically the face of FE? I mean he has a pretty big outreach on the series and he's often most associated with the series almost like how Pikachu is most associated with Pokemon even with all the PKMN that came out in the later gens.

 

[Curious Villager]

Does Nurse Joy even appear in the games? There might be like a Nurse trainer called "Joy" but I'm not sure if she did as much as the various things Anna did throughout the FE series.

Beedle would probably be a slightly better analogy as he's a least a recurring shop keeper in the Zelda franchise too....

 

[StormC]

Sheesh. Had I known saying that Anna's more important to the franchise than the actual Fire Emblem would cause these kinds of hissy fits I'd have shut my mouth

Disagreements aren't hissy fits.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Considered the mascot=/= is the mascot. Besides, Nurse Joy isn't popular among fans nor does she have the title of 'hardest boss in the franchise'. I don't think you even get to talk about how important characters are considering you called the 3 most iconic indie characters 'nobody names'

I would, however, I'm only saying 1 character. You're saying multiple characters

Sheesh. Had I known saying that Anna's more important to the franchise than the actual Fire Emblem would cause these kinds of hissy fits I'd have shut my mouth

So you think that Shovel Knight whose had one game is now considered an icon as big as Sonic and Pac-Man? And Quote? Who? Shantae is the biggest of the three, and she doesn't even hold a candle to Sonic, MegaMan, and Pac-Man. Remember, that these are third party characters, so they are required to have a special legacy. Now go up to any random person, and show them pictures of Sonic, MegaMan, and Pac-Man. Most everybody will recognize them (except the recognition for MegaMan might be less). Now go and show them Shovel Knight, Quote, and Shantae. NOBODY will recognize them. So outside of the gaming industry, they are definitely nobody names. Even within the gaming industry, I guarantee a lot of people don't know who these characters are. So say as you may, but they are nobody names in my book and the majority of almost every other person. Case closed.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Disagreements aren't hissy fits.

That's true, yes, but considering Zeldamaster has the tendency to insult people he disagrees with, I think that classifies as hissy fits. You and Burruni were debating, you weren't twisting my words from 'considered to be the mascot' to 'is the mascot'

So you think that Shovel Knight whose had one game is now considered an icon as big as Sonic and Pac-Man? And Quote? Who? Shantae is the biggest of the three, and she doesn't even hold a candle to Sonic, MegaMan, and Pac-Man. Remember, that these are third party characters, so they are required to have a special legacy. Now go up to any random person, and show them pictures of Sonic, MegaMan, and Pac-Man. Most everybody will recognize them (except the recognition for MegaMan might be less). Now go and show them Shovel Knight, Quote, and Shantae. NOBODY will recognize them. So outside of the gaming industry, they are definitely nobody names. Even within the gaming industry, I guarantee a lot of people don't know who these characters are. So say as you may, but they are nobody names in my book and the majority of almost every other character. Case closed.

Yes, because Greninja has a LEGENDARY legacy. Indie games are very popular. Shantae has a much larger legacy with Nintendo than Snake could even dream of having

 

[Arcanir]

Does Nurse Joy even appear in the games? There might be like a Nurse trainer called "Joy" but I'm not sure if she did as much as the various things Anna did throughout the FE series.

Beedle would probably be a slightly better analogy as he's a least a recurring shop keeper in the Zelda franchise too....

She doesn't (ignoring Yellow of course), in fact, and aside from a couple examples like Casey in DP they don't have a name nor are they ever characterized. So the Anna and Nurse Joy comparison isn't the best as the former character has a bit more to herself then just being a random NPC.